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Women and Work: Heavy Lifting, Part II -- Discrimination Against Mothers in the Workplace

Posted: 03/ 2/2012 4:05 pm

co-written with Rachel Dempsey

In the last post, we talked about the problem of pregnancy discrimination against women in hourly jobs -- cases where mothers were refused simple accommodations that would help them have healthy pregnancies. Discrimination against pregnant women and mothers is a huge problem for working-class women, for whom a single missed day at work could mean that they lose both their jobs and the ability to support their families.

Professional women, by and large, are more likely to have flexible schedules and are more likely to be given paid maternity leave than working-class women. It seems pretty unlikely that, say, a lawyer or a professor would be fired for asking for an ergonomic chair to make pregnancy more comfortable. But that doesn't mean that they're immune to the effects of discrimination against pregnant women and mothers. In fact, a recent article in The American Scientist by Wendy M. Williams and Stephen J. Ceci proposed that discrimination against mothers -- not against women in general -- is almost single-handedly responsible for the gender gap in the academy in science and math-related fields.

And a staggering gap it is. According to the article, women in math-intensive fields such as chemistry, physics, mathematics, engineering and computer science make up only 4.4 to 12.3 percent of full professors, and only 16 to 27 percent of assistant professors. The article assessed several possible causes for this gender gap and dismissed several of the more popular ones, including an ability gap (Larry Summers' pet theory), a stronger desire for work-life balance than comparable men, and general sex discrimination. In fact, according to one statistic in the article, women were actually more likely than men to be hired for tenure track positions, proportional to the number of women who apply.

But only 20 percent of the people applying for tenure-track positions are women. Women are gone long before tenure becomes an issue. The reason, the study's authors propose, is that tenure track requires potential professors to demonstrate incredible productivity, a willingness to work long hours, and the ability to relocate for a job. The most demanding years in the process usually happen when candidates are around ages 30 to 35 -- which, as it happens, are also key years for starting a family. As a result, "[o]nly one in three women who accepts a fast-track university job before having a child ever becomes a mother," and '[a]mong tenured scientists, only 50 percent of women are married with children, compared to 72 percent of men." As the articles authors write, "For women who want to have children and a career in science, the picture is not pretty."

This holds true outside of science and math, and outside of the academy. One study found that mothers were 79% less likely to be hired, 100% less likely to be promoted, and offered $11,000 less in starting salary than non-mothers, making discrimination against mothers by far the strongest form of gender bias. For examples outside the laboratory, just look at law firms, which demand a level of commitment similar to academics that also typically peaks in employees' early-to-mid 30s. While nearly 50 percent of incoming attorneys are women, the percentage drops to a mere 15 percent at the equity level.

The statistics are similarly grim in business. The American Scientist article cites a study that found that ten years after graduation from an M.B.A. program, only 52 percent women with children work full-time and full-year. Having kids may be a choice, but the choice has dire consequences for women and not for men. That's literally the definition of discrimination.

Williams and Ceci put forth a series of policy suggestions for how to eliminate or diminish the brain drain that takes place in the academy as women start having children. Their suggestions include educating women about the potential consequences of taking time off or pursuing alternative career paths, instituting a part-time tenure track, or allowing primary caregivers to stop the tenure clock while their children are young.

This is all good advice, although it's worth noting that these policies also exist at many universities but are underutilized because of the perception -- and often the reality -- that they make the stigma of motherhood worse, not better. Penn State, for example, has a system in place for parental leave, but in a study conducted between 1992 and 1999, only seven parental leaves were reported out of 500 professors who had children. "Those who utilize the policies may be viewed as uncommitted and, at worst, experience the ultimate failure for an academic in the denial of tenure," the study noted. And while many universities have policies that allow professors to stop the tenure clock, tenure review committees often aren't even apprised of the policy -- which of course effectively negates it.

The burden professional mothers carry is, by and large, metaphorical, but that doesn't mean it doesn't weigh them down. And if we continue to refuse accommodations to pregnant women -- whether those accommodations are help lifting a 50-pound box a more flexible tenure timeline -- gender inequality isn't going anywhere.

 

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co-written with Rachel Dempsey In the last post, we talked about the problem of pregnancy discrimination against women in hourly jobs -- cases where mothers were refused simple accommodations that wo...
co-written with Rachel Dempsey In the last post, we talked about the problem of pregnancy discrimination against women in hourly jobs -- cases where mothers were refused simple accommodations that wo...
 
 
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Vicki Larson
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08:51 AM on 03/08/2012
"Having kids may be a choice, but the choice has dire consequences for women and not for men." For many women, yes, but let's see how that changes as more gay men raise children together. They no doubt will have the same problems women have but it won't be a gender issue; it will be a parenting issue. And that's how I think it should be reframed. If we want to make it more attractive for men to be stay-at-home dads, then well need to offer them the same protections we women want. I think that's fair.
07:08 AM on 03/13/2012
"Dire" is not the right word! The choice of motherhood has blessed and wonderful consequences. The use of the Almighty Dollar to measure consequences is false. Life does not consist of material possessions.
08:39 AM on 03/08/2012
What happens when all the men are gone because of back injuries
07:52 PM on 03/07/2012
Let's be honest how many women would date a guy that would want to be a stay at home dad. If you ask majority of women they will tell you that they want the option of staying at home with the kids. When has a guy ever got the option to stay at home. And the reason why companies make females take leave instead of working lighter jobs is because someone probably complained they had to work and they didn't get their time off.
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12:09 PM on 03/07/2012
"Having kids may be a choice, but the choice has dire consequences for women and not for men. That's literally the definition of discrimination. "

We have to look at the societal bias to identify why the consequences don't affect men. With the divorce rate being what it is, and the number of mothers that get physical custody, because they want it (just as many fathers would like it as well if given the chance), then they would be more responsible for the day-to-day caring of the children, and society just bills the father, leaving his schedule open.

To say it is discrimination AGAINST mothers is an interesting take on the reality of what is happening in society. If physical custody were given to men in 50% of the cases, I think you'd see just as many men with "dire consequences" as women. But as a society, we just can't seem to see past the nose on our face. We do things in one area of law, and then point to the results as some great discrimination that is going on. Well, until all are considered equal, in both the home and the workplace, the results of the discrimination in one area will have "dire consequences" in others. But until we do something about the cause, we can only "band-aid" the symptom.
07:37 PM on 03/06/2012
This is exactly why I have little ones in my 20's. 1) I will have adult children in my 40's and 50's (not total teenagers) and 2) I won't have to worry about starting both a professional career AND a family at the same time. Now I can finish school, get my professional degree, and by time I'm 31, my kids will be old enough that I won't have to worry about being pregnant and sacrificing my career and thusly their stability. I just have to bite the bullet for now until I finish school.
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05:54 PM on 03/06/2012
Williams and Ceci put forth a series of policy suggestions for how to eliminate or diminish the brain drain that takes place in the academy as women start having children.

How about a husband who is willing to stay home or put his own career on hold while the wife persues her own career? Men are more successful because they have more support at home, if women had the outside support then they could do just as well.
11:28 PM on 03/06/2012
I appreciate the sentiment. But I'd rather see a situation where no one needs to give up on work they are passionate about in order to raise their children. For the life of me, I cannot see why part-time work in academic fields would be problematic. In academe, things are rarely urgent in the way they can be in business, so it should not be a problem if a scientist is not in her office now, but will be in 3 hours... Yes, her output may be smaller in volume, but what about quality, creativity, originality of the ideas? That should count for more than quantity. Kids are small for such a short time, anyway.
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11:34 AM on 03/07/2012
Sad that raising of children isn't work the anybody seems passionate about, and it really shows.
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pjvoperamom
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04:27 PM on 03/06/2012
Very Sad!!! Anyone who says women are equal in this country needs to wake up. I am so bothered why this is happening so much now, after years of so called progress. I guess men are threatened by women in all ways that they need to put us back to where they think we should be. Women out number men in this country and we need to let them hear this now. Support each other and we can stop this treatment.
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08:02 AM on 03/08/2012
Women outnumber men in this country, yet only 14% of them are enlisted in service to this country.

Maybe that's part of the "women aren't treated equal" problem. Over 50% should be serving.

Women are awarded full custody 90% of the time. 50% is equal.
90% of worked killed on the job are men. Must be because men are so "threatened" by women taking over the dangerous dirty jobs that result in death they need to put them back where they thhing they should be - in an air conditioned office complaining they aren't paid equally to men who get killed doing dirty dangerou work.

Yeppers. I think you got this whole thing figgered out.
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pjvoperamom
Rights For Women
12:34 PM on 03/08/2012
Wake up…men don't really want women in the service. So they are the ones who are not passing the same law for women to be drafted. In fact women are not welcomed into most jobs that have been mainly for men. Men are the ones holding them back, not themselves. I would rethink your comment and come back when you know the truth.
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pjvoperamom
Rights For Women
06:08 PM on 03/09/2012
Your last post to me was a bit offensive. My family are not bullies as you suggested and I think it was nasty and disrespectful of you to say. I did not personally attack anyone in your family. I don't understand why people on this site attack people personally when they don't even know them. A comment does not give permission to insult me. My father was a POW and shot down over Germany. He served 13 months in a prison camp and received a Purple Heart. HE WAS NOT A BULLY, nor was the rest of my family who served. For you to bash another persons family shows you are out of line. Maybe you got bullied too much and don't want to admit that women are not always treated fairly. Shame on you.
08:50 AM on 03/08/2012
Women should register for selective service ( the draft ) Men still have to register for the draft on their 18th birthday or they are subject to arrest and fine. Im sure every women is trying to pass a law so they can be equal to men when it comes to Selective Service.
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12:34 PM on 03/08/2012
If men want that, it will be passed. They are the ones holding them back.
04:04 PM on 03/06/2012
Simple solution, get mothers out of the workplace, there, now all the jobs open up for the unemployed(men and women) the kids get to be raised by their mother, and now all the homes are not empty all day and our next generation will get some supervision, (to help with all the juvenile delinquencies.) And before you ask why Mom and not Dad, BECAUSE THAT'S NATURE BABY! Nature always wins!
11:04 PM on 03/06/2012
Yeah, mothers should be banned from full participation in society, because that's nature, baby!

Shameful. Let's also get all disabled out of the workforce so jobs open up. That's nature, too.
02:57 PM on 03/06/2012
Its sad that people just cant help each other. Everyone needs a hand at one time or another. Maybe you need help lifting something heavy. So what just help. It prevents injury, helps the company to avoid workers comp. and is just the right thing to do. Men as well as women need help. As for mothers needing off to have children they have to follow the same rules as anyone else through FMLA. Also I have seen plenty of fathers take off for their children. This is not just a womens issue anymore. Each side brings different things to the table. Work with it respect the differnces . Both are of value.
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08:13 AM on 03/08/2012
Everyone needs a little help from time to time is true. It's those who need a LOT more help than others is where the problem begins.

My husband works in a "heavy lifting" job. In the "old days" the young guys did most of the heavy lifting then transitioning into more lighter lifting and desk work as they aged out.

Now with gender quotas, the "old guys" STILL have to do all the heavy lifting while the women took over the lighter duties and desk work.

At 60 years old my husband is doing heavy lifting while 20 year old women have taken over most of the slots once held by strong 20 young men willing to do the heavy work.

Rotator cuff surgery, double hernia surgery, extreme back and joint pain is the price my husband pays for women's "equality" and "helping them out".
03:00 PM on 03/08/2012
I work in a factory and I lift. I do my own work but when nessesary I am guilty of asking for help. Working with safety commitees to improve our factory for better lifting euipment for all of us. I dont want anyone hurt. I have also had my fair share of surgeries from work place injuries. But we are improving. I know we will continue to improve our areas for safety, we are a very lucky plant. Where safety is placed high on the list along with improvements.
02:53 PM on 03/06/2012
i guess they cant hold their own in the military neither
02:20 PM on 03/06/2012
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10:17 AM on 03/06/2012
Sorry. Women rejected this argument decades ago. At the time, men were the primary breadwinners in a family. A woman’s income was supplemental. For the benefit of the family, and society, men were paid more than women for the same job. Women demanded equal pay for equal work. How do you get equal pay for equal work if certain workers, such as mothers, are given special privileges?
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04:29 PM on 03/06/2012
Because women are the ones who have YOUR babies.
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11:36 AM on 03/07/2012
NO, it's "Women and THEIR children" these days. Men have no rights to their children.
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12:16 PM on 03/07/2012
But only if they choose to. All choices have consequences. Ask any man who had a one-night stand with a woman who chooses to have his baby. They both are responsible for their choices. Maybe he didn't want to be a father, tough! Her choice, his responsibility. Maybe she doesn't want to be a mother, she wants a career instead, well...that is her choice. If she chooses to be a mother, then she will have to work fewer hours, take more sick days, and not perform at the levels of other workers (both women and men) for those early years. If she were to choose to have the baby and give it to the father, all she would have to do is pay for child support and she could still have her career.

It's all about choices and whether or not we accept the responsibility that comes with them. We can't be free to make a choice and then complain about the result. That's why choices are available to everyone.
07:44 PM on 03/06/2012
So your saying that not only do women bare the responsibility to carry each successive generation, but they must be economically punished for it as well..? That's a failure of reality all around alright - that those who need the most should receive the least in terms of support - from society, employers, partners etc... its a reverse privilege then, to take advantage of them?
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12:22 PM on 03/07/2012
"So your saying that not only do women bare the responsibility to carry each successive generation"

No woman bares that responsibility. It is a choice she makes. Does she want a child at this point in her life? Does she want to have it and give it up? Does she want an abortion? Does she want to be with that child and raise it? Does she want to give it to the father, pay child support, and go after her career? There are so many options, that saying society forces her to do anything is ridiculous. You have to ask each individual woman (mother), why she made her choice. Maybe she didn't WANT to be a math professor. If she did, don't you think she'd be smart enough to weigh the consequences of each choice? We have to give women some credit here and let them make their choices, realizing that they are aware of the limitations they will face in being able to put the time into a full-time career. We can't just put our desire to work (both men and women) on mothers who have made the choice to balance.
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08:17 AM on 03/08/2012
That's not equality. That's making everyone else pay for your choice.

I don't ask you to support MY choices, I don't "choose" to support yours.

I have a choice as well. Not just you.
11:43 PM on 03/05/2012
Best of luck to you with your family and your career.
03:14 AM on 03/06/2012
This was not supposed to show up here. It was meant for chemistforpeanuts - "pregnant by choice and planning to get promoted."
07:09 PM on 03/05/2012
I am one of those women in a scientific profession. What I find is men equate equality to us being smaller versions of them. Women are not just small men. We've been treated like small men in medicine, politics, and the idea of what "equality" means. Our needs are different then mens, but mens style and values of equality are the norm in our society. That is why you see men commenting that the "shouldn't have to pick up the slack" when women take maternity leave. However, you don't see women commenting back that they don't want to "pick up the slack" when men are out of work due to disease that often plagues men like prostate cancer and heart disease. Its because they only want equality on their terms, that meets their male value and expectations of what equality is.
07:27 PM on 03/05/2012
Good point. I'll just add that you actually see women, too, commenting that they shouldn't "pick up the slack." The norms are internalized, regardless of gender. Sexism gets internalized too - many women are sexist (same for racism etc).

I am child free by choice, but I'd really like to see that the people who parent the next generation are enabled to do so without having to give up on other important things in life.
08:18 PM on 03/05/2012
Good guess! I'm also pregnant by choice and planning to get promoted, not demoted! I have a great husband and money to pay for this thing called daycare, anyone heard of it. People are so ignorant, it kills me.
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11:37 AM on 03/07/2012
Women have diseases, too. Your 'equality" comparison is a fail.
07:37 PM on 03/07/2012
Sure, but most people will take extended leave from work at sometime in their life due to fill-in-the-blank. Women are not less-than once they have children. I would say the opposite is true for many women. My co-work (an MD) just had a baby and she loved coming back to work and she loves going home to her baby and her husband that has a job flexible enough where he watches the kid during the day.
06:14 PM on 03/05/2012
I love how nursing is giving me flexibility.It is hard work just like any other but I know I can raise my only one baby with this job in case anything happen to a father.I will say though when they are talking about this why father is not included.Parenting is father and a mother.