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The "Holeist" of Holes in the Safety Net

Posted: 02/ 3/2012 2:16 pm

Poor Mitt Romney. The fact is that the candidate is a rich man (no matter what his tax bracket), but equally true is that his "not concerned about the very poor" assertions in a CNN interview have made him a political piñata on both the right and the left. That must hurt.

Romney explained to CNN's Soledad O'Brien that the reason he is not concerned about the very poor is that "there is a safety net." The inference is that the very existence of a safety net means the nation protects struggling families from the vagaries of recessions, the lack of jobs, the inadequacy of wages, and the high cost of housing -- to name a few arenas outside the control of most individuals.

Romney's belief in the safety net makes him sound more like the "everyman" who believes that all poor women with children receive welfare cash aid, everyone who needs food can readily get it (through the renamed food stamp program SNAP or the local soup kitchen), and that Medicaid takes care of all the health problems confronting the poor.

The safety net has lots of holes. For example, the nation's welfare program, TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) has these rents in its fabric that need repair:

• Workers who are deeply poor too often are not allowed to get help through TANF cash aid. In more than half the states, work income that reaches just half the poverty level automatically disqualifies the family (2008). In other words, a family of four with annual earnings of $10,600 was ineligible for a penny of TANF cash aid in more than half the states in 2008.

• Fewer poor families with children receive cash aid. Between 1996 and 2011, cash aid dropped from 68 to 27 poor families for every 100 poor families with children.

• The cash aid families receive has dropped in value. The purchase power of cash aid has dropped at least 20 percent between 1996 and 2011.

• Cash aid for families never brings families above poverty. The cash aid grant is below half of the poverty line in every state in the nation.

There are other holes. Many workers in low wage jobs cannot get unemployment insurance because the rules create a chicken-egg situation in which to get aid you need to have earned more; Medicaid is automatically denied in 17 states when working parents earn wages that get them to half the poverty level; and, among those low-income families who are eligible to receive housing assistance, fewer than one in four families actually get it.

A key in fixing holes is being able to see and find them. Significantly, it turns out that Romney appreciates that the safety net has holes. As Politico reported, after his CNN interview, the candidate explained to a plane-load of media that "he is 'sure' there are holes in the safety net and that 'finding those places is one of the things that is the responsibility of government.'"

This new statement will draw the ire of some conservatives. The Wall Street Journal opinion writers responded to the CNN interview by chiding the candidate to speak a better "lingua franca" and to draw his framing from "a half-century of creative conservative thinking on antipoverty transfer programs... [urging] one note to strike is about growing dependency on government... " To some conservative thinkers there are not holes in the safety net; rather, the notion of government programs helping people is an idea that comes out of whole cloth.

The responsibility of government is at the heart of the 2012 presidential campaign. A challenge for the candidates should be to come up with a list of holes and which they think are the "holeist." Notably, 9 in 10 voters say that a presidential candidate's views on poverty are important in determining their vote, according to a recent poll from Spotlight on Poverty and Opportunity. So, the candidates should not just spar over which holes are the "holeist" but how they will proceed to fix them.

 
Poor Mitt Romney. The fact is that the candidate is a rich man (no matter what his tax bracket), but equally true is that his "not concerned about the very poor" assertions in a CNN interview have mad...
Poor Mitt Romney. The fact is that the candidate is a rich man (no matter what his tax bracket), but equally true is that his "not concerned about the very poor" assertions in a CNN interview have mad...
 
 
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
02:45 AM on 02/05/2012
Please Jodie, the bleeding heart empathy of the socialists is noted, but the safety net objective is to keep family from starving, not to elevate them above the poverty line….. No country or nation is the world can do that, look what happened in socialist Europe. The progressives in our country were pointing to Europe, as a model for the USA, yet look at Europe finances, they are about to go bankrupt and NO safety net will be able to help their poor from the soup line….. Enough with this irresponsible pity, it is time people take responsibility for their life and actions and stop waiting for the government to help then indefinitely.
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ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
10:38 PM on 02/04/2012
The US is the only developed nation where people are too poor to get medical treatment, everywhere else it is guaranteed to all. And in those nations the best-off pay for most of it. In the US private medical plans are a poll tax, costs the same whether you make $50K or $50M. Except for help for the very poor (but not for us middle-class), ACA is the same: force everyone to buy a policy that covers all possible medical costs, make them pay same regardless of income. ACA is the opposite of single-payer, it will force millions into poverty.
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IsotelusMaximus
Under the Radar
08:30 PM on 02/04/2012
Can anyone give an honest estimate on how many different safety nets there are through the federal government. There seems to be a different one in "trouble" every week.
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CMontalvo
stranger in a strange land
07:54 PM on 02/04/2012
Au contraire, Ms. Levnin-Epstein-Bleeding-Heart. The "Poverty Level" is simply not as bad as everyone thinks, and that's especially true since it's computed BEFORE the receipt of any aid!

Here's a report with US Census Bureau facts that should dispel any notions that the poor should be a priority:

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/09/understanding-poverty-in-the-united-states-surprising-facts-about-americas-poor
Zip Zinzel
If a Nation expects to be both Ignorant & Free . .
07:31 PM on 02/04/2012
I AM A PROGRESSIVE DEM

And I am for a very strong Safety Net, but also expect all citizens to pay for it.

I came here expecting to like this post, but found instead an agenda that simply wants to hand more CASH to poor people.

IMHO that is the single biggest failure of the Great-Society/War on Poverty
Instead of implementing hard-nosed tough-love sensible programs we took an easier route of just sending out checks- which have ended up only subsidizing a permanent class of people addicted to that lifestyle.
I used to be shocked when I worked at McDonalds at all the teenage girls who were so proud & happy when they became pregnant out-of-wedlock.

The GREAT SOCIETY used to run Public Housing Projects, and they should have stayed with those
and added on-site daycare, on-site medical clinics,on-site educational sources.
But those projects became crime & drug havens since there was little-to-no security
INSTEAD, we took the EASY route, and turned to just sending out Monthly Checks, which has led to led only to the perpetuation of the problem it was supposed to correct.

The most important change we should implement now, is to simply take away those children and place them in state-run orphanages, which, while costly, and less than optimal,
WOULD BE FAR BETTER THAN WHAT HAPPENS NOW
PLUS- almost immediately those girls would stop having almost all of those babies.
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A level Head
Consumption not investment requires subsidy
05:54 PM on 02/04/2012
Society has some moral responsibility to offer basic help to those UNABLE to help themselves.

There is also some common sense reasons such as ensuring social stability in the idea of giving temporary palliative help to those who fall on temporary hard times through no fault of there own.

With that thought in hand --- Anybody who is not UNABLE to work to support themselves should be expected to give back in kind service while receiving public largesse.

Could be cleaning streets, mowing public lawns, caring for the children of others in the same situation while those others look for or conduct work.

The current mentality of free lunch has become obscene and it is being fostered by far to many.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
08:02 PM on 02/04/2012
Most who are currently getting aid would RATHER have a job!
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Just logic
09:39 AM on 02/06/2012
I would challenge that. In my area and in my experience they might want a job but how do you explain that generations of families only collect. There are always jobs out there but at some point it becomes of lifestyle. When you hand over something for free people are not gonna take advantage of that? I constantly get the argument from liberals that regulation is a must simply because people are inherently greedy. Well give something free and people become something worse than greedy.
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05:49 PM on 02/04/2012
Medicaid and the "required programs for the poor" are the equal of the DOD budget. While many have fallen on hard times and need a hand up many millions of others have chosen the handouts as a permanent way of life, generation after generation, in good economic times and bad. They have no interest in education or self sufficiency. It's the more attractive option to working for a living.
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PunKinPai
Tact is just not saying true stuff. I’ll pass.
02:13 PM on 02/04/2012
Romney wants so desperately to fix the "holes" in the safety net that he supports the Ryan plan... Oh, wait a moment....
10:34 PM on 02/04/2012
I don't think there's a safety net program that he hasn't proposed cutting at one time or another. And as you said, there's the Ryan plan.

I wonder if GOP voters will be prepared for mom and dad to move in with them and expect their adult children to pay for their very expensive medical care.

What I've found about Republicans is that they somehow think they can get rid of all the safety nets, most government agencies and public services, and still have life continue exactly as it does now except they'll have more money in their pockets plus the satisfaction of sticking it to all those people they're sure are living in luxury on the government dime.
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PunKinPai
Tact is just not saying true stuff. I’ll pass.
03:32 AM on 02/05/2012
How are mom and dad going t move in with the kids when the kids have moved back in with mom and dad?
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Ally Solver
Problem Solver Extraordinaire
01:09 PM on 02/04/2012
Why does anyone deserve a safety net? Just how many people really need a safety net? If a person makes bad choices, should the rest of society pay for their mistakes? If a person does not do what is needed to take care of themselves, why should society support them? If someone drops out of school, refuses to get job training or look for a job, refuses to show up on time or do the job they are hired for, why should society support them?

In response to this comment, there are going to be an out pouring of excuses(other commenters will call them "reasons") why people need a safety net.

Here is a solution to the debate over the safety net issue:

Set up a separate safety net programs.
Let those who believe in the "safety net" make tax-deductible contributions to it.
Let those who do not believe in the "safety net" do nothing.
The government runs the safety net program.
No tax dollars are used to fund the safety net program.

Safety net is no longer a political issue.

Censorship is evil.
Zip Zinzel
If a Nation expects to be both Ignorant & Free . .
07:33 PM on 02/04/2012
Ally you are solving NOTHING

I would like to apply your solution to funding the military and all the defense contractors,
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CMontalvo
stranger in a strange land
07:58 PM on 02/04/2012
Actually, in a Democracy, our system should allow ALL citizens to "vote" their tax dollars. Those who pay NOTHING (and there are LEGIONS of them) would, of course, have no votes. And those top 1%ers who pay 40% of all income taxes would have more votes than the bottom 95% who COMBINED pay less than that.

Seems fair to me!
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Ally Solver
Problem Solver Extraordinaire
04:45 PM on 02/05/2012
Line from original comment: "In response to this comment, there are going to be an out pouring of excuses(ot­her commenters will call them "reasons") why people need a safety net."

The solution would end the bickering over the so-called "safety net issue".

All that is heard from "zip zinzel" is: envy, hate and jealousy.

Censorship is evil.
09:52 PM on 02/04/2012
It's clear you don't even know what the safety net is. A response would be useless. If you don't know that there are millions of women, children elderly, and disabled,including. Vets in this country who are in those circumstances through no fault of their own than you must have been living under a rock all your life.
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Ally Solver
Problem Solver Extraordinaire
04:58 PM on 02/05/2012
Another case of NO analysis. How can someone just say "through no fault of their own"?

More name calling and of course the usual envy, hate and jealousy.

Censorship is evil.
01:04 PM on 02/04/2012
Ok Jodie, you want more and more and more and more and more and more and more help for the poor. It is a good thing to help poor people. But let me do a little check as to how honorable you really are.

Can you tell me how much you expect people to do to help the poor? What is the limit you will ask for? What do you consider the border line between "expecting people to pitch in and help out" and "committing an act of theft using poverty as a rationalization".

This is a fair question. After all the sacred words say "Thou shalt not steal", "thou shalt not lie". It does not say "Thou shalt not steal or lie....unless your poor."
10:43 PM on 02/04/2012
Fine words, Miss Libertarian. But no doubt you, like the majority of the US population, are just one job loss or one medical crisis away from desperation. And then there's no doubt whatsoever that you'd emulate your heroine Ayn Rand and take all the safety net help you can get, while insisting that, unlike everyone else on safety nets, YOU deserve them.

Come back and talk to us when you reach 65 and lets see if life has been as kind to you as you seem to expect it will be.
03:54 AM on 02/05/2012
Your right, I can wake up one morning and find myself in far worse shape than I am today. And maybe, in desperation, I will break down and ask society to provide everything for me. Yet given all that....

....you still haven't addressed my valid question. When do our "desperate expectations" cross the line to the point where we are taking advantage of others????
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Craig2
Living in the great State of Jefferson
11:23 AM on 02/04/2012
Good morning, What Mit Romney said he has said before. He does not care about the very poor. Just like the Chinese Government also do not care about the very poor. The very poor will always be a burden on society. The very poor's children however are a different story. They are a resource. A resource too be exploited. That's whats happening in China. That's what Mitt Romney wants to happen here.
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wikwox
So there I was, playing the piano....
09:50 AM on 02/04/2012
The"safety net" is under attack at all levels, the Republicans would do away with it if they could. At times they admit it, others times they pull a Romney and act like they would not. Don't expect things to get better, the "welfare queen" image is still effective in turning Americans against any increase in assistence. State budgets, many strained to the point of breaking, are also under attack and the poor make a good target for conservative politicians.
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IsotelusMaximus
Under the Radar
08:34 PM on 02/04/2012
Hmmm, but yet the only politician who really made any cuts to the "nets" is the president when he stripped $500,000,000,000 from future Medicare benefits. Your rant doesn't make much sense.
10:46 PM on 02/04/2012
That shows you get your "facts" from Fox news or other rightwing sources. The $500 billion Obama cut from Medicare was the slush fund written into the program by Bush for the insurance companies that set up Medicare Advantage plans. They get paid 11% more for every procedure than Medicare pays. That money goes straight to their bottom line, or rather into the CEOs' pockets.

Are you saying you're in favor of slush funds for insurance company execs, taken straight out of Medicare funding?
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Skip Moreland
11:22 PM on 02/04/2012
The only thing he cut was Bush's Medicare Advantage program which was certainly an advantage to the rich. It made by law 11% more overhead and profit for corporations. It's a costly program designed to make lots of profit for some help to the poor. It was a program that should never been implemented in the first place.
It's costing the tax payers more money for services than we should be paying. I thought conservatives were all about saving money. Obviously throwing more money to the rich is more important than taxpayers cost.
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rbenjamin
Rule 5 rules
09:15 AM on 02/04/2012
Don't mean to be hole-y-er than thou, but I've got to say affordable housing.
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ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
10:43 PM on 02/04/2012
I agree, instead of subsidizing home ownership for the better-off. The deduction for mortgage interest costs billions in lost taxes, as do 401Ks. None of that goes to the lower-half, 70% goes to richest 30%. We've been subsidizing the middle-class so they could own homes and have nice retirements, while others are homeless. Personally, I'm tired of all the pandering to the "middle-class". My parents didn't go to college, worked in factories, I never thought I was middle-class.
Bellla
Trans & Proud
08:42 AM on 02/04/2012
Oh, I got it wrong, Mittens is talking about the safety net for the wealthy 1%, there is hardly any safety net left for anybody else.
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LoneTree
Liberty is more precious than life.
08:41 AM on 02/04/2012
There are probably plenty of hard-hearted people who really do believe that an individual or family who can't support themselves deserves no help from society (*) but I don't believe that's anywhere near a common belief, even among very staunch Conservatives. I think that much more commonly, it's a concern from that vast majority of people in the mainstream culture of prosperity who know that dependency never leads to good outcomes. Help is one thing, an entitlement or right is another thing altogether. I'd cautiously estimate that 90% of Americans fully support 26 weeks of unemployment, zero interest loans for occupational retraining, a healthcare system that isn't tied to one's employer. Where probably 40% of Americans run short of empathy is when fellows Americans insists that they won't do the things the things for themselves that so many of the Americans in the mainstream culture of prosperity accept as the ordinary expectations of life. The real safety net is having a craft or trade that is in demand.
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skylark
Tangled up in blue..
08:51 AM on 02/04/2012
As far as you fourth and last sentences, go: obtaining the skills for a craft or trade that is in demand is expensive, especially for adults. How are people on Unemployment (which barely even covers the cost of food in some states) supposed to pay to obtain these skills? And since what is
"in demand" keeps changing, how are they supposed to determine what skills would be best?
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LoneTree
Liberty is more precious than life.
01:01 AM on 02/05/2012
Untold millions of young Americans over the past 70 years or so have used one method: enlist in the military and test into a technical specialty. The Air Force, Navy, and Coast Guard in particular will teach you almost any technical skill you can think of, from medical to industrial to information technology. They pay 100% of your training costs, you get a good paycheck plus room and board (or cash in lieu), you get veteran's benefits including college tuition, and you tap into the largest and most effective network of mutual support in the country (any veteran in need can find help with a whole range of issues, personal and professional).

The responsibility to foresee what will be "in demand" is upon the individual citizen, although there are many resources to to help (bls.gov).

For those who can't qualify for the military, there are numerous community college programs, corporate training programs, and union apprenticeships. I know a middle aged guy who went through the IBEW apprenticeship program. From day 1 as an apprentice he was earning a living wage, with full benefits. Now that he's a journeyman, he makes $100K/yr (albeit with an awesome skill set ... he wires generating plants onto the grid ... you only get one mistake with 16,000 volts). When jobs shut down (as they did a year ago), he just keeps on work on "side jobs", and he can't keep up with all the work he can get.
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LoneTree
Liberty is more precious than life.
01:06 AM on 02/05/2012
Well, I don't know if my response got posted or dropped, so here's the short version:

1) best option: take the Armed Service test board and enlist in the Navy or Air Force for a technical school. They will teach you a technical specialty, pay you, you acquire benefits (including GI Bill), and you become part of the veteran's support network

2) next best: a union or corporate apprenticeship. Again, you get paid to get trained, and get benefits.

3) after that: community colleges, with tuition aid or whatever.

The individual citizen is still responsible for their own career planning. www.bls.gov and other sources can help.

We should have a "dual education" system like Germany, that would go a long way toward making this a non-issue. Academic education for the top 30%, vocational and technical training for the remaining 70%. Low unemployment, strong middle class, high quality of life.
10:48 PM on 02/04/2012
There are 26 million more job seekers than jobs in this country right now, according to Bloomberg news. Most of those people were gainfully employed all their adult lives. Many are educated and many were middle class. The issue right now is how to put these qualfied workers back to work, and meanwhile, a civilized society would have a safety net for them.
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LoneTree
Liberty is more precious than life.
01:00 PM on 02/05/2012
There are two positive, affirmative steps that every single American can take today to solve the problem of unemployment in America today:

a) Be the job creator: BUY AMERICAN. Every dollar you spend on a "Made in USA" product creates a job for a fellow American for about 5 minutes. For each ten Americans committing to "Buy American", a full-time well paying job is created for one fellow American. Do the math. No increase to the deficit, debt, no tax increases or budget cuts.

b) Learn a craft or trade, whether through the military, a community college, or a union apprenticeship. Along with MILLIONS of other lost youths, I enlisted in the military and learned a trade that I then took to civilian life and spent a 40 year career doing. Community college vocational and technical training, and union apprenticeships, serve the same function. Who's more important in your life, your electrician and radiological technician, or someone with a BA in sociology?

As for the "safety net", the US safety net equals most OECD nations. 99 weeks unemployment equals Denmark. Welfare for the indigent is widespread. 80% of Americans have private health insurance and the remaining 20% get care on demand for free, or through Medicaid.

What is missing is a "US Citizens Identity Card" embossed with the logo, "I am an American and I am entitled to free food, housing, clothing, health care, and education for life. Oh, and a car and a vacation to Tuscany."