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Joe Lapointe

Joe Lapointe

Posted: August 19, 2010 03:24 PM

By coincidence, Roger Clemens was indicted for perjury Thursday while Andy Pettitte struggled to come off the disabled list with a groin injury. The two pitchers used to be friends and teammates on the New York Yankees and the Houston Astros but that relationship ruptured amid talk of how banned drugs could help heal injuries.

Pettitte said Clemens told him about Clemens's use of performance-enhancing drugs -- specifically human growth hormone. Clemens has denied it. Pettitte said he used HGH to recover from injury. Even if HGH really helped recovery, Pettitte would have to avoid it now that major-league players are tested for PEDs. The tests might not pick up HGH but it is hardly worth the risk.

Clemens brought the heat upon himself with his testimony before Congress in 2008 in which he acted defiant under oath toward Representatives. He also toured offices beforehand, signing autographs and posing for pictures. The effect was high-handed, as if he was saying ``Hit me with your best shot; I'm the star of the show here.''

Clemens acted as if he could bully and bamboozle Congress the way he could intimidate hitters with fastballs, up and in, or back down sports reporters groveling by his locker for post-game quotes. Maybe he will beat the rap the way so many athletes do in their young lives when they throw their stardust in the eyes of traffic cops and teachers and other authority figures.

Or, perhaps, the public revulsion toward cheaters and liars will help to make Clemens the symbolic fall guy for a tainted era. If this case comes to trial without a plea-bargain, we probably won't see and hear Clemens interrupting lawyers and judges the way he did before the committee on the Hill.

Clemens used to go by the nicknames "Rocket'' and, later, just "Rock.'' As the line in the old song has it, the time has come for "breaking rocks in the hot sun. I fought the law and the law won.''

 

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10:22 AM on 08/26/2010
The ironic thing is that if Clemens was really as good as he thought he was he wouldn't have needed any juice.
One arrogant sob who walked into Karma.
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05:09 PM on 08/24/2010
It's not illegal to lie to the Americna people. or the UN. or the world.

Also you'd have to prove Bush didnt believe there were WMDs. See that's what you guys don't get.

It's not enough to prove there weren't . You'd have to prove that he knew there weren't and lied and was under oath or in some forum where such lying is prosecutable.

It's not enough he was wrong, or stupid to believe it, or that you don't like him personally.
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05:02 PM on 08/24/2010
Perjury is very hard to prove./
In this case, it's easier. Either he did them or he didn't. and a witness who has no reason to lie about hearing him admit it.

Most of the other alleged examples below of perjury are far more questionable with far more wiggle room and often based on the alleged liar's statement that was really opinion.
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alkamm
Brevity is the soul of lingerie.
07:02 PM on 08/24/2010
Gee, how do we know any witnesses have no reason to lie? Sounds like a prosecutor's line. Even when they buy testimony by dropping charges, they claim the witness has no reason to lie. Still, the witness may be telling the truth.
Clemons: So big, so strong, so fast, so juiced, so hostile, so what.
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04:59 PM on 08/24/2010
Clemens acted as if he could bully and bamboozle Congress
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More like schmooze and blind them with star wattage. That's what the autographs, pictures, hand shaking, and talking was all about
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zunklives
Jesus IS a socialist
03:30 AM on 08/23/2010
We indict our athletes and entertainment stars for lying under oath, but our senators(TED STEVENS R AK) dont make the oil comp execs even be sworn in, therefore allowing them to lie all they like about oil price gouging(during the Bush admin) sad and telling.
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conscioushope
"There is no darkness but ignorance." Shakespeare
01:21 AM on 08/23/2010
Rocket man has fizzled.......

slow balling to infamy
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Mag7
Smarter than the Average Dog
04:57 PM on 08/22/2010
I can think of a few more Texans that should be indicted for perjury.
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alkamm
Brevity is the soul of lingerie.
06:59 PM on 08/24/2010
fanned.
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alkamm
Brevity is the soul of lingerie.
04:50 PM on 08/22/2010
If we let Clinton slide for parsing words like "is" and because his sins were sexual in nature, we should let Clemons off for perjury in lying about using a substance that is routinely prescribed for anyone who rips a muscle.

The puritanical streak that we drag into such discussions is horrifying to me. If I have a job that requires me to overexert my shoulder muscles until they rip, give me both human growth hormone and steroids. They weren't even illegal for many years in MLB.

Ever ask why Bush was so concerned about steroid use? To distract us from real news about war criminality. To repeat, "Bush lied, people died." There's the real revolting fact, and that we have accepted that without prosecution is a sign of our docile, acquiescent national mentality.
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05:00 PM on 08/24/2010
Ever ask why Bush was so concerned about steroid use?
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because he's a well known baseball fan.
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alkamm
Brevity is the soul of lingerie.
06:57 PM on 08/24/2010
Yeah, so am I, but I didn't start a war. The players have always used drugs, and as long as it was don't ask/don't tell, we didn't know. Mantle was a drunk, but his young fans loved him. So was Ruth, of course. Steroid use has legitimate medical purposes, especially with the torn muscles running and throwing can produce. We are so puritanical we would rather the players didn't do them, but of course, they were legal for a long time, and McGuire publicized his use of that synthetic hormone like testosterone, whatever it was and nobody complained.
Mays did speed, as did many others. So did Kennedy. So did a lot of peoples' grandmothers studying for college. They didn't make a habit of it. Of course, now, they'd put you away for life for it.
Steroid and human growth hormone shouldn't be used by high school kids or college kids, but we place such a premium on athletic success, and then tear the athlete's bodies up with violent sports like football that it's small wonder they use every trick in the book to bulk up.

Lying about it is natural, if stupid, with people being so revolted and angry and disgusted with people in this brave new world of purity and innocence.
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04:30 PM on 08/22/2010
Bonds holds that spot for fall guy for our revulsion for cheaters and liars of that era.

Clemons is just dumb. You can lie to your wife, the fans, commisioner of baseball. But what you cant do is lie to congress. Not going to work.
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zunklives
Jesus IS a socialist
03:31 AM on 08/23/2010
Unless you are an oil comp exec
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jackbutler5555
08:26 PM on 08/21/2010
I gather Joe Lapointe thinks Roger is guilty. Is it on the basis of a witness to the act? Yes, indeed. But the witness is admitted perp with a deal to testify going with the prosecutor. But what about Andy? Well, Andy doesn't say he saw Roger do the drugs. They just talked about it.

Is there more to the case that I'm missing?

Oh, Roger is a jerk? Maybe. But it ain't against the law.
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mark331blue
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05:49 PM on 08/21/2010
Lying to Congress? What's the big deal? Ollie North launched a new career out of it.
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05:03 PM on 08/24/2010
Well he was also convicted of obstructing congress until the AClU helped overturn the conviction.
09:16 PM on 08/20/2010
Clemen's problem is he isn't a CEO and obviously has given no money to either party that I know of. Congress does token acts of justice on certain people for the sake of image. The rest the time they're counting their bribe money.
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FirstGame72
The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
08:21 AM on 08/21/2010
Agreed, another example of our laws being applied selectively. You either have "coverage" and can't be touched, or you don't. Much I don't care for her, Martha Stewart was another example of this.
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05:07 PM on 08/24/2010
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_result.php?first=Roger&last=Clemens&st=

No money listed at this site by Clemens to anyone. though i think he was friendly with the first President Bush.
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provgrays1
08:26 PM on 08/20/2010
Clemens is a psychopath or a liar, one or the other.
He even testified that Brian McNamee was injecting his wife
in their home with HGH while Clemens was in another room, all to cover
his butt, as it were.
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jackbutler5555
08:28 PM on 08/21/2010
Does any of what you say establish Roger's guilty of perjury? What?
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conscioushope
"There is no darkness but ignorance." Shakespeare
01:23 AM on 08/23/2010
I'm with you, prov!
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06:55 PM on 08/20/2010
Well, I'll sleep better tonight. Thanks, Congreff!
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saami
Cranky old lady
06:32 PM on 08/20/2010
Bush lied to the US Congress, the American people, the UN and the world about Iraq and weapons of mass destruction; why isn't he indicted. What he did cost an enormous number of lives and money.
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FirstGame72
The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
08:24 AM on 08/21/2010
Forget Bush, Rove and H Meyers (sp?) were called before congess to testify and just said no and didn't show up. So the laws in this country mean ... ?
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alkamm
Brevity is the soul of lingerie.
04:54 PM on 08/22/2010
Not to put too fine a point on it, but these charges are BS. Cheney was called into the grand jury after directing the outing of Valerie Plame repeatedly, and no charges were issued, despite consistent cover ups.
Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz and Bremer were guilty of war crimes starting with lying, and still unending. Clemons' crimes were victimless. Lying to Congress? Takes one to know one.
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saami
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11:09 AM on 08/23/2010
Bush lied in his state of the Union address; he had Gerneral Powell lie to the UN; there were so many lies it is difficult to count them all. they caused much loss of men and material and of course money.