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Joe Mirabella

Posted: October 14, 2010 07:14 AM

Anti-Gay Churches Are Not Holy

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Spiritual bullying is deadly. Children are listening when religious leaders call gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people sinners. Children hear them when they shout "abomination" from the pulpit, when they scream, "Thou shalt not!"

There is no turning back when a child has heard he or she is evil one too many times. No prayer, no line from a book written by men, will undo a child's last prayer for help.

No church on earth has the excuse, "but the Bible told me so," because our greatest gift is our reason. We are in command of our actions. We choose to hate those who look different, or who are born different than us. Hate is not a holy virtue, and those who hate know this. That is the biggest crime of all. Those who hate ignore their own intuition -- that voice inside that says, "no." And why? Because the Bible told them so?

Those who preach hate in front of pews of people should be stripped of their cloth by the flock they so wish to woo with slippery tongues. It is possible. History has shown us countless times how to alter the reality of our religious institutions. Luther did it with a simple hammer and nail on a wooden door. Jesus changed a church with kindness. King Henry the VIII changed a church with law. Evolution is inevitable but must be instigated by the people. Silence by the flock is deadly.

Do you sit silently when your pastor points with his crooked finger at gays and shames? Or do you stand up and say, "Not in my name! Not in the name of my God! Shame on you!" Have you ever told your fellow parishioners that you or someone you know is gay and that they are beautiful? Or do you just let spiritual bullying happen.

My heart is heavy. My eyes are tired. I can not read another story about a young person taking his or her life because of bullying in any form. I want the world to be truly holy. I want the world to be a place where all people are loved and cherished for who they are. I want us to have compassion for one another and to help each other in times of need. I want a world where we find the Spirit in truth, not through the manipulations of power hungry men and women.

Do you agree? Begin the conversation in your place of worship now. Tell your religious leaders that you believe the LGBT community should be loved and cherished. Do not just let spiritual bullying happen. If you do, it could be too late for someone you know.

Cross posted at the Bilerico Project

 

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02:04 AM on 10/20/2010
In the new testament, in every translation to every modern language, the only people Jesus ever criticizes are the priests and pharisees. He ministers to and forgives everyone else, freely and unconditionally. He condemns the priests and pharisees for the sin of hypocrisy.

The modern hypocrites are still busy condemning other people. They make a business of condemning others, and then selling forgiveness for a high price. The Catholics discovered about a thousand years ago that they could use scripture to condemn people, and then sell them forgiveness, and in the process they could become rich and powerful. They set about inventing various sins to condemn, and mistranslating and misconstruing scripture in the process, as a means of increasing their own power and wealth. A few hundred years later, some priests protested some particular teachings, and started what are now called protestant churches, but generally continued the practice of condemning people for profit and power.

Only recently, with the advent of widespread literacy and education, has the practice been exposed. While most churches continue to condemn people for profit and power, a few have started to follow Jesus, again.
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Steve Davis 1
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02:20 PM on 10/19/2010
“GOP or God's Own Party seems out of step with Christ. One must ask how can a Christian profess to hate God's creation; so they deny it is a part of nature.

Philippians 2 3)Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. 4)Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. 5)Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: -- 7) ... taking the very nature of a servant,

Does this sound like any GOP candidates you are aware of? Certainly not Rand Paul or any of the other Tea'ers. The Religious Right has always done great harm to Christianity.”
06:10 PM on 10/19/2010
Romans 9 14-23 "14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compa...ssion on whom I have compassion."16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. 19One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' " 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use? 22What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory...

Like it or not, Scripture speaks against homsexuality. GOP has nothing to do with it
01:25 PM on 10/19/2010
Jesus didn't change a church, He started the church. He also called for repentence from sin before you would be counted as part of His church. Those sins are enumerated throughout the Bible and they include homosexuality as a sin. Jesus Himself said He did not come to do away with the law [commandments]. The NT writers, under divine inspiration, warned that sexual sin is indeed sin. Moses, under direct revelation from God, also wrote that sexual sin is sin. All sin is evil.That's why we are ALL unworthy of salvation. God's love for us does not negate the serious nature of sin. My dad didn't stop loving me as a child when I broke a neighbor's window, but he didn't tell me it was okay to go around breaking windows either. Wrong is wrong, even if we can be forgiven for the wrong we do. Maybe this author should read a little more of the Bible before he tries to use the narrative.
06:02 PM on 10/19/2010
Greetings Brandino43

AMEN BROTHER. You are right on. Actually, you are just repeating what GOD has already clearly stated in his revealed scripture.

There is such a thing as moral absolutes. It's just that most people can't acknowledge it!!
08:43 PM on 10/17/2010
Your penultimate paragraph is beautiful. Maybe someday the world will be as you hope.
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05:28 PM on 10/17/2010
From a letter to Louise.... Pastor Paul Duke is preaching about the sufferings of gays and lesbians:
Whose fault is this? It's the fault of us all. It's the fault of any of us who make jokes about gay people, who insult them with the use of demeaning names. It's the fault of us who are silent when others do these things or when they publish lies about what homosexuality is. And it's the fault of us who don't provide a safe place and a caring response to those of homosexual orientation. Who knows how many hundreds of thousands of lives have been lost - to violence, to suicide, to drugs, to promiscuity, to AIDS, to shattered self- esteem, to life forever outside the doors of the church - because we have participated in or by silence colluded with the demeaning and the ostracizing of homosexual people. In this respect there is blood on the hands of the church. And that's what has driven me more than anything else to talk with you as I am doing. I have had a vision of Christ at the judgment asking, “Why were you silent?” Why has the church abandoned these children of God to despair and to death? When people are lost and dying by the millions you don't pontificate about sexual morality, you reach out to them, you give them a safe place, you listen, you talk, you love with the love of Christ.
06:29 PM on 10/18/2010
Reach out to them --listen talk and do as I did with the woman who was brought to me who was caught in adultery-- say this:

"neither do I condmen you, now go and SIN NO MORE.

He love her AND told the woman she was sinning.
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03:54 PM on 10/20/2010
The woman was accused of committing adultery. Presumably in in a handful of US states and in a growing number of less backward countries, he'd say the same to a gay person cheating on his/her husband or wife.
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conscioushope
"There is no darkness but ignorance." Shakespeare
05:18 PM on 10/17/2010
Wonderful article!

Thank you!
been2there
Facts have a liberal bias.
02:25 PM on 10/17/2010
Much of the comment here demonstrates a stark difference in how people believe God to judge.
Those who most strongly condemn homosexuality also see God as harsh and unforgiving. They see people condemned unless those people specifically adopt certain beliefs.
Those of us who don't see God this way (Jesus said that those who are not against him are for him, and Paul told Timothy that Jesus came to save all, especially--not exclusively--believers) have more faith in God's loving kindness and justice.
If homosexuality is a sin, it is a sin that harms no bystanders. It should, therefore, be left to the individual and God. Adultery is far more harmful, yet much more accepted.
And why do people worry so much about sex lives in the first place? Jesus was far more distressed by greed, dishonesty, and hypocrisy! Shouldn't we take our cue from Him?
02:33 PM on 10/17/2010
So, when Paul says the will not inherit the Kingdom of God, he is wrong?

Immorality harms everyone.
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conscioushope
"There is no darkness but ignorance." Shakespeare
05:20 PM on 10/17/2010
Immorality harms people. But, our gay brothers and sisters are not immoral in and of their sexuality preferences.

Period.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
06:49 PM on 10/17/2010
I dunno about inheritances, or what kind of 'kingdom' he's really supposed to have been selling, but... Apparently, yes, he's wrong?

Cause if you think that kingdom is an excuse to harm *anyone,* never mind justify bullying and spiritual abuse of children and people, I can't imagine it's a very moral place.
02:58 PM on 10/17/2010
2 Timothy 4
1In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.
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05:38 PM on 10/17/2010
In I Cor. 6:9 Paul lists the types of persons who will be excluded from the kingdom of God and for some he uses the Greek words malakoi and arsenokoitai. KJ translates the first “effeminate,” a word that has no necessary connection with homosexuals. The NIV translates the first “male prostitutes” and the second, “homosexual offenders”. The RSV in its first edition of 1952 translated both words by the single term, “homosexuals”. In the revised RSV of 1971, the translation “homosexuals” is dis- carded and the two Greek words are translated as “sexual perverts”; obviously the translators had concluded the earlier translation was not supportable.
Malakoi literally means “soft” and is translated that way by both KJ and RSV in Matt. 11:8 and Luke 7:25. When it is used in moral contexts in Greek writings it has the meaning of morally weak; a related word, malakia, when used in moral contexts, means dissolute and occasionally refers to sexual activity but never to homosexual acts. There are at least five Greek words that specifically mean people who practice same-gender sex.

Unquestionably, if Paul had meant such people, he would not have used a word that is never used to mean that in Greek writings when he had other words that were clear in that meaning.
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05:38 PM on 10/17/2010
2. He must have meant what the word commonly means in moral contexts, “morally weak.” There is no justification, most scholars agree, for translating it “homosexuals.”
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Lily99
Equality. Dignity. Respect.
10:48 AM on 10/17/2010
You know, I love the US but sometimes I'm really glad to be Canadian. We've had same-sex marriage for years now and the sky hasn't fallen in, straight marriages haven't disappeared, unwanted children have been adopted into families who love them (even if, gasp, there are 2 mommies or 2 daddies) and, most of all, our Canadian God still loves us and many of our Canadian churches will perform those same-sex marriage ceremonies.
11:09 AM on 10/17/2010
I'm happy you are Canadian too.
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Lily99
Equality. Dignity. Respect.
11:17 AM on 10/17/2010
Awwwww...would you look at that! We agree on something. Bless.
10:40 AM on 10/17/2010
I don't sit silently in the pew when my Pastor condemns homosexuality. I say AMEN. I don't sit silently in the pew when my Pastor condemns, lying, fornication, adultery, stealing, pride or any other sin either. I say AMEN.

Newsflash folks. Sin is sin. God cannot abide sin. The writer confuses righteous condemnation of a clear sin with some kind of bullying. HOGWASH.

"My" religious leaders don't need reminding that everyone is equally loved in the sight of a Holy, Pure, and Just God. A God that does JUDGE, and will JUDGE, everyone according to their dealings with Jesus Christ.
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Grada3784
God is a Parent, not an abuser.
10:46 AM on 10/17/2010
Fine Judgment is God's job. Leave it to Him, you usurpers.
11:10 AM on 10/17/2010
Judgement is our job too. We are called to judge.
11:17 AM on 10/17/2010
Greetings Grada3784

It is hardly likely that anyone is trying to do God's job. God's final judgement of all people is certain. We, as believers and followers in Jesus Christ are Called to discern, recognize, identify, and point out sin. Of course, the unbelieving world would mislabel this as us being "judgmental." A Pastor that preaches about sin and calls sin for what it is from the pulpit is in no way judging anyone. He is merely repeating what God has already made clear and he is fullfilling his responsibility before God to warn against sin.
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12:44 PM on 10/17/2010
I'm glad you put my in quotation marks. That is exactly correct - it is your religion, not mine nor that of countless people.
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04:27 AM on 10/17/2010
So now it's come down to who is HOLY and who is not. Interesting. Would you please give us the list of Holy Churches, so we will know which ones to avoid?
Thank you.
08:05 PM on 10/16/2010
It seems like anyone, at anytime, could pick a verse or chapter out of the Bible and use it to jusify any thought, action or behavior that fits their particular agenda. Murder, slavery, incest, war, hate, genocide, conquest, or world domination has been declared as the "will of God". I think one of the reasons is because we attribute human emotions to God. If a particular group hates you, they will say that their God hates you as well.. Ridiculous!
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8arrows
Crushing my enemies and driving them before me
11:56 AM on 10/16/2010
No True Scotsman remix.

I ignore this nonsense, just like I ignore it every time this fallacy comes up.
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08:22 AM on 10/16/2010
Amen.

Actually, the Bible doesn't even really tell them so.

For more on this topic check out my piece on RC homophobia.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michele-somerville/catholic-church-homophobia_b_750254.html
02:56 PM on 10/16/2010
It's amazing to me how so many people think it is ok to speak with authority on the bible when they obviously understand so little about it. You, Ms Somerville, should spend more time studying the truth rather than pontificating about something you obviously don't understand and presenting opinion as fact.
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MikeDu
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06:55 PM on 10/16/2010
Its funny how the people so fixated on the "sodomy = abomination" line never go down to the next proscription. How many men in YOUR church group have been forced into exile for doing their wives while they're on the rag? Also lets not forget, in a book where every other infraction is punished by exile or death, if a man causes a woman to miscarry he simply owes the husband a goat... or was it a sheep? So many parts of the 'good book' actively ignored by religionists.
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04:43 AM on 10/17/2010
Right! Everything is possible if you refuse to listen to what Jesus and the gospels say about sexuality. Pretending that homosexual acts are not sins flies in the face of any serious biblical scholarship. The standard line that one shouldn't pay attention to St.Paul is particularly disingenuos. Of course, calling the other side homophobes makes one sound very righteous even though it is obvious a smear tactic.

The most that those who want to redefine sexuality for the modern age can hope for is a schism. With one side gravitating to the position that the "Church is a big tent where anything goes", and the other side hooking up with the Catholic Church. I will place my bets on the Church that has been around for 2000 years.
other side hooking up with the Catholic Chuch.
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Lily99
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10:26 AM on 10/17/2010
Well, the Bible clearly says that love is more important than hate and that it is not our place to judge. The Bible also says that cutting your hair is an abomination.
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Lily99
Equality. Dignity. Respect.
10:49 AM on 10/17/2010
Jesus didn't mention homosexuality once.
08:21 AM on 10/16/2010
1st of all, just because people disagree with Homosexuality, does not make them "homophobic". It’s name-calling, not rational argument. A phobia is an irrational fear. That moral condemnation of homosexuality is irrational must be proven.

The idea that if Christians point to the bible's prohibition against homosexuality as justification (and, supposedly, the Bible IS the authority for all things Christian) that they must also follow the old testament laws concerning food is a straw man fallacy. Many laws in the Old Testament were annulled by the New Testament. The reason is not because Old Testament laws reflect a more primitive morality. God’s law is a reflection of God’s character, which is unchanging. God’s character is the standard of perfect justice, goodness and truth. God cannot speak anything that is not perfectly just.

-To Be Continued-
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I'm actually a radical leftist
02:02 AM on 10/17/2010
The supporters of segregation indignantly denied being anti-black.
09:05 AM on 10/17/2010
That's a false argument. You want to try and equate race, which is immutable, to Homosexuality, which is a behavior. There is nothing inherently immoral with race. The Bible does not speak about race. The Bible IS quite clear about homosexuality however.
been2there
Facts have a liberal bias.
10:38 PM on 10/15/2010
My place of worship is anti-bigotry of all sorts. Any pastor that preached homophobia would first hear my vehement disagreement, and then see my back!