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Joel Shatzky

Joel Shatzky

Posted: September 16, 2010 02:29 PM

On a recent edition (9/8/10) of the Brian Lehrer show on WNYC, Tamar Lewin of the New York Times discussed the issues and problems in acquiring a college education. At the end of the interview she questioned the value of a college education compared to its costs and the dubious likelihood of the graduate getting a good-paying job sufficient to pay back college loans. However, the recent concerns about the graduation rate in the public schools that have spurred the so-called "education reforms" of both the Bush and Obama administrations seem to assume that the primary objective of our public school system is to produce an ever higher proportion of high school graduates who would be eligible for college. Yet these educational reforms, relying very heavily on fairly meaningless statistics, ignore a deeper systemic issue: not only is college not for everyone, but high school graduation has not been for "everyone" over the last forty years.

According to a comprehensive study of high school graduation rates and their composition by James Heckman and Paul La Fontaine, high school graduation rates peaked in the late 1960's and began a slow decline in the 1970's and 80's, remaining basically static for the last 30 years. Figures that indicate higher rates are due to the increase in the awarding of GED's (General Education Diplomas). These were originally intended for GI's returning from World War ll who had had their high school education interrupted by military service. In 1960, when graduation rates began to increase, only 2% of high school graduates received GEDs. Today the figure is 20%!

Since the percentage of students with GEDs successfully completing their college degree is much lower than those with academic diplomas (according to Heckman and La Fontaine's study), the use of them today in inflating graduation rates around the country is yet one more example of how statistics can be used to mask or distort the true picture of a serious problem, and unlike the recent past, the hi-tech industries will not bail out the economy.

According to a recent New York Times article (9/7/10) "Once a Dynamo, the Tech Sector Is Slow to Hire":

"The chief hurdles to more robust technology hiring appear to be increasing automation and the addition of highly skilled labor overseas. The result is a mismatch of skill levels here at home: not enough workers with the cutting-edge skills coveted by tech firms, and too many people with abilities that can be duplicated offshore at lower cost."
This leaves the jobs that cannot be exported in the service and health-care sector; those that have the greatest likelihood of growth: low-skill, low-paying jobs. Moreover, the unemployment rate for college graduates seems to be low compared to the national average -- under 5% compared to 9.6% -- but it still is higher than ever in the two decades since such records have been kept. Pinning the hopes of young learners for economic success if only they "work hard" enough to get a college diploma presumes that if they don't succeed in attaining one they have no one to blame but themselves for not getting a good-paying job. Yet our economic system is not producing these jobs, regardless of a student's credentials. Still, it has not stopped students from aspiring to and attending college.


The explosion in student college attendance, increasing by almost 50% from 13 to 19 million in the last twenty years, however, is due in part to "for profit" institutions that have been springing up around the country. According to a recent (August, 2010) report by the GAO, excerpted in "On Campus" (September/October, 2010) :

"Enrollment in for-profit colleges has grown from about 365,000 students to almost 1.8 million in the last several years. These colleges offer degrees and certifications in programs ranging from business administration to cosmetology. In 2009, students at for-profit colleges received more than $4 billion in Pell Grants and more than $20 billion in federal loans provided by the Department of Education."
Among the findings reported by the GAO was that although these colleges enroll only 10% of college students, they receive 23% of all federal aid. In their investigation into these schools, the GAO found all 15 that they used as a sample guilty of some kind of fraudulent or misleading act in representing themselves.

That these "colleges" depend largely on federal grants is evidenced by the fact that between 2002 and 2009 their federal aid dollars increased from 62% to 89% of their total revenue. In one instance, according to the GAO:

"A student interested in a massage therapy certificate costing $14,000 at a for-profit college was told that the program was a good value. However the same certificate from a local community college cost $520.

As to the claim that they these schools have a "high graduation rate," over 60% compared to the national average below 50%, from my connections to a number of people who have worked at them, "for-profits" don't accept low grades. When one of these conscientious teachers insisted that students who had been doing inadequate work receive low grades, she was not rehired. That the Obama Administration is finally addressing the problem of "for-profits" with some oversight about standards and practices of these places is gratifying. Only the deceptive practices that have been going on will not easily be stopped.

Not only can't everybody graduate from college: and this involves a complex combination of social and economic class, cultural habits, opportunity and motivation; but I believe not everybody should be expected to have a college degree in order to obtain a decent-paying job and a promising future.

Until the general public becomes aware that it is completely unrealistic and misguided to blame young learners, their teachers and their schools for trying to function better than they have in forty years, especially now, in a faltering economic system, and begins to address the problems of education holistically, no serious and effective educational reforms in this country will be possible. But a lot of potentially outstanding young learners from all ethnic groups and economic statuses will be sacrificed in the process.

 
 
 
 
 
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Lisa Shields
Poet & Advocate For Special Needs Children
11:17 PM on 09/21/2010
Speaking from three decades of experience, I would say "Yes".
I lacked three credits to a Bachelors.
When I left college, I was under the impression I had finished.
So I moved...and six weeks later got the news from another state.
At that point, I was obligated to pay back my student loans, so I took a minimum wage job, and did so. Four years later, I was married, clear of the debt, and starting a family.
But it was ONLY three credits...how hard could that be to finish?
Cling to that pretty dream. Life interferes.
I kept working low level jobs part time to support my family, and finally got the numbers...how much it would cost to finish my degree...with the associated costs and fees. $5,000.
Might as well have been a million.
In the last year, I transfered the credits to a more affordable school...but they wanted 9 credits to finish my degree. Three I did with a CLEP test...six to go...but if I had a dollar for every decent job I lost out on over those three credits?

Yes, it pays off. Businesses will offer you no advancement without the degree, and trades can pick and choose. Starting your own business in the current climate? No way.

Educate yourself.
10:52 AM on 09/21/2010
"College-for-all" is some kind of con; just take a look at the Bureau of Labor Statistics "Occupational Outlook Handbook." For instance, this year's list of "Occupations with the fastest growth" (Table 1 @ http://www.bls.gov/oco/oco2003.htm) includes both those which require a college degree and those which don't. BTW, this book is inexpensive and stacks of them should be in high school classrooms.

When you look at the column "Number of new jobs (in thousands)" it's clear that the majority of upcoming jobs only require short-term or moderate-term on-the-job training: 1122.9 vs. 750.8 for those requiring an associate-to-advanced degree.

The fake scientist shortage needs to be sorted out and confronted, too.
http://www.miller-mccune.com/science/the-real-science-gap-16191/

Is "college-for-all" -- and the amount of required student loans that come with it -- just a way to create a large class of indentured, indebted servants?
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Joel Shatzky
12:35 AM on 09/21/2010
Yes, college grads do outearn non-college grads. But my point is that only a relatively small number of young workers are able financially, in terms of preparation or-yes, intellectual capacity--to gain a college degree. Several generations ago only one in twenty high school graduates went to college and those with a high school diploma were able to make a good living. My argument is that we have to examine ways to change the wage scales of non-college graduate occupations through increased minimum wages, government- subsidized support for small businesses to give living wages to their workers, and a new way of looking at what is valuable in our working society. Without some adjustments, the college requirements will continue to be dumbed down and still an increasing number of working class families will descend into abject poverty. College degrees for the 25% of students who can actually earn one will not address the economic inequality of the other 75%.
06:55 AM on 09/20/2010
Look up the numbers. College grads, regardless of type of institution will outearn non college grads over thier lifetimes. And the gap is as big now as ever. So unless you are ready to spend your life at Wal Mart, I think the answer is yes,.
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Joel Shatzky
10:34 PM on 09/17/2010
The main point of my column concerned JOBS. No matter how few or many students graduate from college, the good-paying jobs for which they are qualified are being sent abroad to similarly qualified degree-holders in China and India for a fraction of American wages. I suppose that some politicians will argue that American workers should be able to compete only by lowering their wages further, but that won't be enough to pay the rent. The students affected by the "Dream Act" are a tiny fraction of the 19,000,000,000 presently enrolled in college. But if you think that scapegoating is a substitute for dealing with a national crisis, that's your perogative.
06:41 PM on 09/17/2010
You think that the number of freshman has exploded? What till Harry Reid get's the DREAM ACT through the Senate. American students will have to compete with undocumented kids that are eligable for federal loans that they WON'T HAVE TO EVER PAY BACK. Try competing with them for student loans!
04:45 AM on 09/17/2010
The unemployment rate for college graduates may be lower; but in many cases, they are actually underemployed. Take myself for example. I have a bachelor's degree, but I work as a secretary. I made 30% more BEFORE I earned my degree actually (in a position that evaporated after the real estate bubble burst). With job prospects not looking the greatest even with a 4-year degree, I am currently in graduate school. My hope is that one day I'll make it to the point of self-sufficiency.
01:00 AM on 09/17/2010
I agree with your article.
We have to much labor, due to technology and lower waged workers over seas, businesses use degrees to weed out applicants, the more applicants, the higher the degree is required.
People then go to school because they either believe that there are jobs for those with degrees, or that they will compete with better credentials.
Once students have racked up debt, they will work anywhere and at lower wages just to have a job.

The only way I see out is for there to be more jobs, and a smaller labor force.
We need to help the baby boomers retire sooner than later.
We need to create young entrepreneurs who will create new businesses and new jobs, without a ton of debt over their heads.
We need to support small businesses with lower rent and taxes and help them to flourish, instead of training a million workers of big corporations who are not hiring or paying well.

College degrees do not create jobs, people and opportunity create jobs, and local business create and sustain communities. We need people who own their own businesses, instead of greeters at big box stores.
12:31 AM on 09/17/2010
I could not agree more with your points professor. We have created a culture where adults practically push students into college, even if that is not the right path for the student. I have so many students in my classes who really have no interest in being in college. They do not want to study and the can't stand being confined to a classroom any longer. These students are only getting undergraduate degrees because they feel that it is necessary in order to secure employment in the future. These students would be far better off if they could graduate high school and go into the working world immediately, securing jobs that pay more than minimum wage, with the hope of advancement in the future. One should not have to attend college to secure a living wage job. Unfortunately, our high schools do such a poor job preparing students for any type of career (or even teaching basic reading, writing and math skills) that students almost have to attend college just to learn the skills they should have developed before they left grade school.
06:02 PM on 09/19/2010
I agree. College isn't for everyone. I have a master's degree, but waited seven years after graduating form high school to procure it. I needed to go out and work 50-60 hours a week, and get in out of my system. Once I grew up a bit, and had worked a while, I appreciated my education more and subsequently flourished.