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Educating for Democracy: Is "On-line Learning" Learning?

Posted: 08/30/11 10:22 AM ET

In a recent interview on Democracy Now, Diane Ravitch, the noted educator, and Brian Jones, an education leader and teacher as well as the producer of a must-see movie, The Inconvenient Truth about Waiting for Superman discussed one of the more pressing issues facing education today: the use and abuse of "on-line learning." My question is: can a computer, no matter how cleverly programmed, replace the educational value of a live teacher?

I would consider myself a pioneer in my experiences with on-line learning since I was, as an undergraduate, part of a program to enhance my skills in conversational German through an "experimental television project" when I took the introductory German language course at Queens College-CUNY in the early 1960's. Although half the course was taught in a conventional classroom, the other half consisted of a television program in which students proficient in German performed little skits with our professor to get us to actually see how we could apply the language to everyday life situations. At the time, television was itself a novelty and "Sunrise Semester," begun several years before, which was programmed at 6:00 A.M. and gave college credit to those who took it, looked like it would revolutionize education. It didn't, nor did television programming in German conversation have the desired effect in my experience; after the novelty of the first few programs, most of us in the class found the lessons boring and would use the time for napping or keeping up our reading in other courses.

When I was a part-time instructor in my first year of teaching, which was at Bronx Community College in 1965, I taught a course in reading to students with learning difficulties. One of the innovations I was required to use was a "reading machine" that would enable students to read a text at their own pace. I thought it was a good idea but it never caught on to any degree that would have had an impact on measurably improving the reading skills on students who were reading below grade.

At one point, during my teaching career, I conducted a class in "distance learning" that I felt rather uncomfortable teaching since although there were students in the studio from which the class was broadcast, those who were taking the course from other sites, I felt, were somewhat cut off from direct contact with me.

Finally, a colleague and I developed a writing course which we called "Seeing and Writing" in which we used videos from a variety of sources including commercials, excerpts from MASH, MTV songs and the Nixon-Kennedy debates. We even gave presentations of our program at conferences. In this last experiment, I felt more confident that I was using media properly by having it as a supplement to my teaching rather than a substitute for it.

Unfortunately, it seems that if the direction of on-line learning is headed the way in which it appears to be, where "virtual learning" is going to be an accepted substitute for teaching as Governor Rick Scott recently mandated in Florida, there will be a true "revolution" in education: teacher less classrooms and, as a result, student less students.

Although I could agree that the judicious use of technology can prove useful in teaching, the bizarre notion that a machine, no matter how cleverly developed, can substitute for a live teacher is in keeping with the bizarre notion that standardized tests can of themselves accurately measure educational progress. It has always been the teacher whose intangible gifts inspire students who might not enter a classroom with a positive attitude toward learning but leave it with a hunger for knowledge, not another machine. The human element is becoming less and less visible in this age of robotized answering machines, internet dependency, and data-driven decisions on socially beneficial programs without raising students to believe that there is no passion, no complex thought, no intellectual and, yes, emotional connection between what a child learns and how he or she learns it. If on-line learning grows as quickly as it seems to be, and I am certain it will not be widely adopted in the privileged private schools because the parents of those students attending wouldn't stand for it, then the cynical dictum of the former Soviet Union will apply in public education as well: "We'll pretend they are being taught, and they will pretend to learn."

 
 
 
 
 
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06:00 PM on 09/06/2011
A computer is a valuable tool for education not a replacement for the teacher especially in k-12. I have taken courses on line, benefited from them and been able to complete them at my own pace, but I am slightly more motivated than the average HS student.
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DouglasCrets
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09:12 AM on 09/01/2011
Most people have moved to supporting a blended learning model. Computers and computer programs are not meant to replace teachers. They are meant to enhance their already important value in the education process. I wish people would stop trying to make the story about how computers and technology are replacing teachers. That is not the point.
11:50 AM on 09/01/2011
Well said! I genuinely believe that blended learning will improve education; I had a class in my 3rd year of uni where we watch the webcast, which for all intents and purposes was the lecture, and in the actual lecture we discussed the webcast. I don't think I've ever found anything more valuable! When exam time cam around you not only had a better understanding, but you had the webcasts right there for revision. Online learning is a great thing! People who could never have gone to uni now can, children who live in the middle of no where could have a first rate education and stay at home, snow days don't need to be wasted days... I could go on and on. The machine is not taking anything away from teachers; I would have to agree that that would be a disaster- it is giving teachers and students the tools to have a much better education than anyone ever has had before. Motivation is still a factor, the students have to actually use the online material, encouragement is the educators new role. Technology means goodbye dictation, I can't imagine why anyone would cry over that.
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Piyush Mangukiya
04:12 PM on 08/31/2011
I think there are two parts to online education for it to be effective: 1. delivery of the instruction has to be through a live online instructor and 2. Online Testing/Assessment which can be programmed to be diagnostic and adaptive. Both of these are possible by using modern technology and if more effective than traditional learning.
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11:57 AM on 08/31/2011
As far as I am concerned this instructor did NOT use online pedagogy when teaching. It appears he relied on the old "sage on the stage" instruction with added technology to support it. True online learning is student driven learning. The instructor is the facilitator to information, diversity in information, and leads on how to analyze the information. This can be done without all the cameras.
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Earl Gray
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06:01 PM on 08/30/2011
Based on the highlighted words, which made reading this article much faster, documentaries like "An Inconvenient Truth" and "Waiting for Superman" have been mandated (I think in either Germany, The Bronx or Florida) for viewing during the Sunrise Semester.

I think this is a great example of how effective on-line learning can be. Students can learn at their own pace and can fly through learning without teachers constantly checking back to see did you learn this or catch that.

Much more efficient, for sure.

Well, on the the next article...
12:30 PM on 08/30/2011
The on-line model works well for disciplined students. I am doubtful about how well it works for students who are not disciplined. I believe that it will be necessary to do the testing / evaluation in a controlled environment to prevent cheating and get an honest assessment.

My daughter did an "on-line" class this summer. Actually, it was a correspondence / self-study course. After she had worked through a chapter she would do a chapter quiz. Every 3 chapters she would go to a teacher we knew who would administer the test and scan and e-mail it to the instructor for grading.

She did 6 on-line courses in middle school (3 years each of history and science). She found them ridiculously easy. She did them in one semester, when she attended school half-time and did the history and science classes on-line.
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Robert Schwartz
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12:16 PM on 08/30/2011
The role of the teacher is extremely important in education and on-line learning when done right, can empower the teacher even more by replacing the mundane tasks of teaching (grading exams, lecture, etc.) with the transformational (mentoring, facilitating dialogue, et. al.). On-line learning is the most effective way to differentiate instruction and provide targeted feedback to large groups of students. However, it cannot motivate that student or promote social-emotional learning. Let's understand the benefits and limits of on-line learning and embrace it as one way to help impact student achievement.
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11:54 AM on 08/31/2011
Everything has it's place and online education needs to find a place but it will not be a benefit for all. We can make it easier by having blended classrooms where teachers start the process by having the students learn little by little the steps to independent learning in a full on line course.
11:15 AM on 08/30/2011
Learning is learning, wherever the information is acquired.

But the certainty of outcome is less, the further people are
separated and the darker the glass. That's the problem with
online learning.

A motivated student can learn a lot and a cheating slacker
can get by with learning very little. This is what devalues the
diploma, the lack of certainty = lack of credibility.

I expect that brick-and-mortar methods will have to be
replaced by ones that provide the teacher and administrators
the same level of "comprehension surveillance" within the
remote learning environment. Like the e-pop-quiz, eliminating
"open book" (open Google) conditions, keeping the material
fresher than last semester's test-questions-for-sale and so on.
Which makes the online teaching gig a lot more like real work.

Never buy the first model year of anything, and that goes for
about the first decade of online universities.
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04:15 AM on 08/31/2011
There's definitely a lot more verification of learning in the traditional situation than in "first model year" online instruction. But a slacker at a brick-and-mortar college can get by with learning very little too, with a little bit of talent. I haven't retained the subject I majored in particularly well -- not as well, for example, as the one I've since learned for fun.

I did the for-fun one with old-fashioned paper textbooks, though, not online learning or Teaching Company videos. I like the Teaching Company stuff. But a series of thirty-six videos at a half-hour each, pitched at an educated-lay audience, doesn't really compare with a thousand-page book that assumes you've already absorbed most of the material in another thousand-page book.

Buy the first model year of anything you think is cool and are willing to spend the money on even though it probably won't work very well.