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Ain't No Mountain High Enough: Gary Johnson Makes Attempt At The Libertarian Party Nomination

Posted: 02/29/2012 7:29 pm

He's not Grizzly Adams, nor Bear Grylls, but he has climbed Mount Everest.

At 59, Gary Johnson still projects the energetic aura of an athlete. But these days, the two-time Republican governor of New Mexico and imminent Libertarian Party Presidential candidate has the rumpled look of someone who spends too much time in Starbucks hunched over a laptop. At a sandwich shop near Rockefeller Center where we met for an interview last week, he talks with a quiet kind of energy: non-intimidating; a bit self-effacing, but sincere.

His voice is not mellifluous like Obama's; his style is nothing like Mitt's trying-too-hard; and his rhetoric is far from Santorum's coarse and unbalanced rambling. Johnson's speech lacks the "uhs," "y'knows" or similar pauses that usually indicate a bad case of public overthink.

No, Johnson speaks with the conviction of a true believer, one convinced that abandoning the Republican Party for a run as a Libertarian will sow seeds that will take root -- if not this year, then perhaps in 2016.

The preening and posturing of Romney and Santorum, looking to score at the socially conservative beauty contest, are anathema to Johnson. He wants to stick close to Libertarian core values, and if that means butting heads with former Libertarian Party presidential candidate (1988) Ron Paul, so be it.

Abortion? Where Ron Paul waffled, throwing that decision to the states, Johnson is clear: "A woman should be making that decision," he says.

Foreign Aid: especially to Israel? Paul says no. Johnson says yes.

"Israel has been a valuable ally," he insists.

While Paul reasserts Libertarianism's commitment to the "individual" as the paramount decision maker, Johnson clearly makes a concession to real-politick, where rewriting the narrative may be essential to drawing a wider range of potential supporters: disaffected Democrats, moderate Republicans and everything in-between.

Maybe it's something about his mountain climbing that makes him eager to ride that risky political third rail.

Drugs: they should be legal. In 1999 as Governor, he was the highest ranking elected official to call for legalizing weed, citing all the wasteful spending trying to enforce unenforceable laws. Anyway, he says, it's a matter of personal choice.

Illegal immigration? He's a former border state Governor calling for more work visas and less chain link. In his view, we should turn illegals into welcome guests who might reasonably be expected "to pay taxes, pay for health care and otherwise be contributors to society rather than burdens." It's the kind of common sense approach guaranteed to cause Lou Dobbs meltdown among mainstream Republicans.

He's all about common sense, at least the Libertarian version.

Do we really need expensive micro-managing bureaucracies like education and housing and development? No. They're unnecessary.

Get rid of that old bogeyman, the Fed? "Absolutely. "

Johnson owes his allegiance to Milton Friedman's theory of free market economics: if a bank is going to fail, okay, let it go -- bye-bye. His economic goal is to slash and burn till you get to that state of grace: a balanced budget.

As Governor, he'll tell you, the veto was his machete, which he used so consistently that he was dubbed -- yes -- 'Mr. Veto.' If a bill submitted to his cost/benefit analysis didn't make the grade, out it went. Under his tutelage, government growth was slowed to a crawl and citizens of the State didn't mind one bit; they lauded him. Cited as one of New Mexico's most popular Governors, even opponents, like Democratic Congressman Tom Udall, sang his praises. If not for term limits, Johnson may have had himself a job for life.

Hitting the refresh button, Johnson goes to great lengths to separate himself from any notion that he's an "extremism in defense of Liberty," candidate, a la Barry Goldwater. He'll spare a few Federal bureaucracies, with appropriate cost cutting. That means the Department of Justice will survive because, as he'll tell you, there's a role for the Feds in guaranteeing civil rights from sea to shining sea. This places him at odds with some in the Ron Paul camp who've called for a repeal of the 1964 Voting Rights act as antithetical to "free association." In Gary Johnson's world view, individual rights - civil rights - still need protection; noting, "If the federal government didn't pass the civil rights legislation, what would life be like in Alabama and Mississippi?"

While agreeing with Paul about scrapping Orwellian constructs -- namely, Homeland Security and TSA -- he goes easy on the Environmental Protection Agency, recalling his own experience as Governor dealing with some "really bad actors on the pollution front."

So the mountain climber now wants to climb this country's ultimate political Everest. And he wants the voting public to believe that, as a third party candidate, he can succeed, which brings us back to the mountain climbing thing. It's a pursuit that usually draws the likes of either inspired adventurers, like Sir Edmund Hillary; monks of the Taoist variety; or the truly, truly crazy, like British occultist Aleister Crowley.

"Why do you?" was the question.

"When you're mountaineering, all you have to worry about is shitting, pissing eating and keeping warm...it's so in the moment," he responded with relish. "When you're hanging off a cliff, suspended on a rope, there's just right now and how in the fuck am I going to get out of this?"

He punctuated his storytelling with: "It's so cool. "

Was he channeling early Jerry Brown?

"What we're all in search of in our lives is a state of Zen," he says, as if to affirm that likeness.

Being governor was "fun," he recalled, "because it was, [like mountain climbing] in the moment."

Will it still be fun when he takes the reins of that peculiar Libertarian beast; the pushmi-pullyu, of Dr. Doolittle fame; heads on opposite ends, trying and failing to get traction in either direction?

Campaigning, he notes, is not "fun," but if he can get the needed poll numbers, he vows to ice-pick his way onto the stage as a participant in the Grand Presidential Debate, where he believes that the force of his arguments - and the common sense notions of libertarianism - may turn a few million heads in his direction..

Mountain climbing may indeed be the ultimate fitness prerequisite for hopping on the campaign treadmill. Like climbing, you've got to be able to think clearly, act passionately, move decisively, and stay grounded, even when the forces of nature pepper you with the worst. Surviving politically in the 2012 Presidential triathlon may be the ultimate test of Gary Johnson's fitness.

 
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02:48 AM on 03/08/2012
Don't let Gov Johnson deceive you with "rumpled looks", the man has finished multiple Ironman triathlons including recently in the grandaddy race in Hawaii in a very impressive 10 hours & change. He is a beast on the race course, even at 59! The Ironman is 140 miles of abuse. He's also cycled 500 miles straight without sleep in 36 hours. Those other boys on the debate stage don't have a tenth of Governor Johnson's steely resolve. Look, who else has vetoed 750 bills as a governor? That's right, no one.
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Mech Eng
02:42 PM on 03/11/2012
Apparently he spends too much time playing and not enough time doing.
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05:27 PM on 03/11/2012
I think you missed the part about what he did as Governor.
06:31 PM on 03/07/2012
I recently sent an email to every Ohio Libertarian candidate asking them to try and persuade Gary Johnson to change his position on ending exclusionary zoning and agree that exclusionary zoning is indeed an intolerable violation of our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Local governments are free to set speed limits and load limits but they are not free to dictate your choice in cars. Hence the car market is free. Similarly they can say you can’t have a septic tank because that is for the health and safety of everyone concerned. Dictating how many square feet your home should have or how wide your home should be must be off limits. 33% of Americans are not homeowners. One out of every 5 homeless persons is a veteran. Housing is a human right. Exclusionary zoning is the difference between living a life of dignity and being homeless. Exclusionary zoning is spreading like cancer across America.

My right to live in a home of my own choosing should not depend on anyone’s permission. I don’t need anyone’s permission to breathe, to eat, or to put on clothes. Why? Because breathing, eating, clothing as well as shelter are necessities of life. They are human rights, inalienable rights. Please, please never, never surrender your liberty to some convoluted state’s rights argument no matter what. Homes could be as easy to acquire as a car and be no more expensive than a car if we did not have exclusionary zoning.
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12:57 AM on 03/07/2012
Anybody care to define the difference between an anarchist and a libertarian? Where do libertarians draw the line. 10% of the government we have is OK or 0%.
04:37 PM on 03/07/2012
Some libertarians are anarchists. All libertarians agree that the size and scope of government needs to be drastically reduced. The anarchist wing (I'm part of it) believes that it just may be possible to reduce it to nothing and we shouldn't rule out the possibility. No libertarian anarchist believes we can get there without a lot more experience with non-governmental alternatives to things we've gotten used to having the government do. The general LP approach is to open up government services to competition by allowing people to chose the private alternatives without having to pay for both the public and private options. The most obvious example of this is school choice. You should not have to pay public school taxes if you are paying at least the same amount to a private educational supplier.
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02:35 PM on 03/11/2012
And how will "school choice" work out on the plains of Colorado where it is hard enough to even keep one school running. Private schools is just a euphemism for "religious" in a large percentage of cases. The ones that aren't are expensive because they have to pay teachers more.

So, like the republicans, you are anti education. Santorum doesn't even like secondary education because it "turns people away from god". Of course the didn't bother to tell us WHICH god.
03:49 PM on 03/11/2012
Good answer junegenis but I think there's a better first-level response which is that (most all) Libertarians don't believe that the rule of law should be thrown out; on the contrary we believe strongly in the rule of law as defined by the Constitution. However the general party position is that we have an excess of laws for things the government should not be involved in, and that we need to undertake the hard work of paring back those laws to increase personal & economic freedom. We trust you the individual to make the best choices about what's right for you (as long as you don't infringe on the rights of others); the major parties feel you're a child whose behavior needs to be constrained by more and more laws - thou shalt have healthcare from this provider at this price and it will include contraceptives, etc, etc. That's not freedom for you the consumer or me the businessperson. Markets work when truly allowed to, and so do the courts.
01:37 AM on 03/05/2012
I've always been a huge Gary Johnson fan since I first met him.
11:12 PM on 04/27/2012
Same here. You literally can't meet the man and not feel close to him.
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03:15 AM on 03/03/2012
Gary Johnson sounds actually like a good Candidate.
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Mech Eng
02:36 PM on 03/11/2012
For what? Taking us back to the dark ages by dismantling roads, military, health care, schools.....
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05:28 PM on 03/11/2012
Oh dear, you haven't even read his platform have you?
09:58 PM on 03/02/2012
Gary Johnson will be a great nominee
09:07 AM on 03/02/2012
I think Gary Johnson would make a great president. Unfortunately, he can't afford it since he currently doesn't have any of the necessary billionaire backers. I am a New Mexico resident and he was a great Governor.
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01:45 PM on 03/04/2012
Sure would be great for him to at least get some kind of national platform so that people can hear his ideas.
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08:13 AM on 03/02/2012
He's the actual conservative in the race. Despite all of the Republican party's talk about "individual liberty" and "conservatism" they practice neither. I really hope that Johnson makes waves this election, because the Republicans are weak and the people deserve an actual conservative voice in the government.
03:52 PM on 03/11/2012
Really well said!
12:10 AM on 03/02/2012
Gary Johnson errs in affirming statism and attacking principled libertarian. This may lead to short-term, temporary gains, but it is detrimental to the long-term goal of the philosophic victory of libertarianism over statism.
03:53 PM on 03/11/2012
We can't be philosophical puritans. Let's get behind the best opportunity we have to win 90% of the purist agenda.
07:13 PM on 03/01/2012
Your article has one glaring inaccuracy in it - and that is Gary Johnson has stated in no uncertain terms (speaking directly with me, and in numerous articles, interviews and speeches) that he is completely OPPOSED to giving taxpayer's money to foreign nations (aka "foreign aid") in ALL cases (including to Israeli). My understanding is that when GJ speaks of supporting military alliances he means sharing intelligence and coordinating with other nations towards mutually beneficial goals - NOT subsidizing other nation's military budgets. Other than that - thanks for profiling the person who I think is in fact the best candidate for President.
07:02 PM on 03/01/2012
I'd like to see a source regarding foreign aid to Israel. It is my understanding that while he does view them as a valuable ally, he is not advocating foreign aid for anyone.
07:23 PM on 03/01/2012
I agree there. You can be friends/allies with someone without having to give them money.

It would be bad personal/federal fiscal management if you are in debt above your eyeballs, have all your credit cards maxed, and your income level is half of your spending level...then your friend asks you for money -- you say sorry, I can't afford it. The friend will understand or they really aren't your friend.
12:33 AM on 03/02/2012
I would argue more strongly that you cannot be friends/allies with someone if you have to give them money.
08:49 PM on 03/01/2012
That is correct. He frequently cites favoring maintaining alliances as a contrast to Paul. This throws just about everyone off. Foreign aid is out. As is nation building via military. But keeping allies is a crucial part of Defense.
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09:45 AM on 03/02/2012
Let's be honest here, if we have to pay them to be our allies, when what kind of allies are they? We're better off not paying them and instead cooperating, and letting the ones who that's not good enough for slip away.
07:01 PM on 03/01/2012
You have a one glaring inaccuracy in your reporting - Gary Johnson is opposed to giving foreign nations tax payer's money (aka "foreign aid") in ALL cases - including to Israel. I've confirmed this in speaking directly to him on more than one occasion, as well as listening and reading to numerous interviews and speeches of his. My understanding is that he advocacy of "military alliances" is more on the lines of sharing intelligence and working towards common goals - and NOT subsidizing other nation's military budgets.
03:35 PM on 03/01/2012
So is Gary Johnson set to become the Frankenstein Candidate (a candidate who would rather be forthright than President) for 2012?
08:39 AM on 03/01/2012
Gary Johns is a true libertarian even on the issue of women's rights and abortion unlike Ron Paul. He is also against the stupid wars and the overseas empire and for the legalisation of drugs all of the positions which we cannot imagine the two corrupt parties ever adopting. I wish him well.
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12:44 PM on 03/01/2012
There is also a Green Party primary between Dr. Jill Stein and Roseanne Barr (yes, that Roseanne).

I would love to see Gary Johnson and the Green Party nominee included in the debate between Obama and Romney, but they won't be included, of course.
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01:38 PM on 03/01/2012
Of course not. Heaven forbid someone appear who is to the left of Obama. Then there might actually be a progressive choice.
12:37 AM on 03/02/2012
Americans need to raise a militia and march on the CPD-sponsored debates. One of three things will happen:
1. We get what we want: more voices and more choices on the stage.
2. We shut down the establishment's candidate parade because they don't want Obama and (I am guessing) Romney in the presence of armed and angry citizens.
3. (most likely) The American government opens fire on the American people for demanding democratic freedom in the election process. This hastens the downfall of our corrupt government and cedes any moral high ground that they might use to start a war in Syria, since Assad can point out that our rulers are no better for killing our own people.
03:51 PM on 03/01/2012
I agree. Gary Johnson might just become the Frankenstein Candidate ( a candidate who speaks truth to power; one would rather be forthright than President) for 2012
08:20 AM on 03/01/2012
By the way, foreign aid is not part of the Libertarian platform.
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Mech Eng
02:45 PM on 03/11/2012
Oh no - this is just like Christianity - he's not a "True" Libertarian.