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New Poll Dispels Myth That Entrepreneurs Want High-Income Tax Cuts Preserved

Posted: 10/29/2012 1:25 pm

The politically charged debate over high-income tax cuts is reaching a fever pitch, and the question on everyone's lips is whether small businesses' hiring ability will suffer if these cuts expire. Scientific opinion polling released last week shows what real small business owners think, and it might surprise you. The majority of small employers in the poll -- more of whom identify as Republican than Democrat, an important distinction given the partisan nature of this debate -- believe allowing tax cuts for the wealthiest 2 percent to expire at the end of the year is the right thing to do in light of our budget crisis.

The truth of the matter is that small business owners are far more concerned about improving economic conditions for the middle class -- a category virtually all their customers fall into and which 97 percent of them are part of, too. According to an independent telephone poll we released last week, 86 percent of small business owners oppose increasing tax rates for household income below $250,000, and 7 in 10 strongly oppose it. What's more, a 52 percent majority supports letting cuts on household income above $250,000 expire.

These entrepreneurs recognize the important role middle class Americans play in the overall success of our economy. If they see an increase in their tax rates, as is scheduled to occur at the end of this year, middle class customers will have less disposable income. Less money in their pockets means less demand for small businesses' goods and services, and that's something that could affect small business hiring decisions.

As someone who has been in the top income brackets before and who probably will be again this year, Anne Zimmerman, owner of Zimmerman and Company CPAs in Cincinnati, Ohio, should understand the situation better than most. "I can tell you with certainty that being in the top tax brackets has nothing to do with my hiring decisions," Anne said. "There's no way I'd let a couple percentage points being added to my personal tax rate get in the way of business decisions. I make those decisions by considering demand for our services, plain and simple."

That ties into another widely-used, but misguided, small business argument for extending the high-income tax cuts: Since a large number of small business owners (like Anne) file their taxes as individuals, their businesses would be extra-sensitive to an increase in the top individual income rates. While 54 percent of small business owners we surveyed do in fact have their business revenue passed through to their personal taxes, only 5 percent reported household income exceeding $250,000. And for that sliver who do earn more than $250,ooo? The increase only impacts income above that threshold, a fact that is vastly misunderstood. Earnings below that amount will continue to be taxed at the lower rate. So how many small business owners are making the really big bucks -- say, over $1 million? We released polling in February that found out of 500 randomly selected small business owners across the nation, only one had income in that range.

These statistics are vital to cutting through the rhetoric surrounding this issue. We wish more small businesses did fall into those top brackets, but that's just not the case. And using small businesses as pawns to pass policies that don't impact them is unethical and frankly "incredibly aggravating," as Anne Zimmerman puts it. "Let them expire!" she said. "It's the middle class that drives demand for my business and it's middle class folks who run most small businesses. Those are the job creators who can drive our economic recovery and who need a tax cut."

In addition to tax cuts, we also asked small business owners what they thought about the role of government and what lawmakers should be focusing on next year. Nearly 6 in 10 agree government can play an effective role in helping small business thrive, and the majority also believes that during the next year it is more important for Congress and the president to focus on a plan to create jobs than on reducing the deficit.

Real Main Street business owners are pragmatic people who know what kinds of policies can help them. And despite spin-doctors who will continue to say otherwise, scientific opinion polling shows these entrepreneurs simply don't believe it's in their best interest to extend tax cuts for high-income earners. Of course, nobody likes paying taxes, but we have a grave budget crisis on our hands. Small business owners get that. Policymakers should listen to what they have to say -- that they'd do better to tailor tax policy to needs shared by the majority than to pocketbooks of a few.

 

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The politically charged debate over high-income tax cuts is reaching a fever pitch, and the question on everyone's lips is whether small businesses' hiring ability will suffer if these cuts expire. Sc...
The politically charged debate over high-income tax cuts is reaching a fever pitch, and the question on everyone's lips is whether small businesses' hiring ability will suffer if these cuts expire. Sc...
 
 
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11:28 AM on 12/15/2012
/thanks for the info update!

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greenvicki
10:37 AM on 12/02/2012
Well said Ms. Zimmerman. Well said. This garbage the GOP is spewing, is self-motivated. They can not hear what "real" small businesses and some millionaires and billionaires are saying. Their alliegance is to lobbyist, banks, the oil industry and wall street. It is the middle class that drives our economy. We need to strengthen our middle class base, and not make it harder to become a part of the middle class, or to deplete the middle class base. Republicans are slowly loosing their base, because they refuse to put the interest of the people (as a whole) first. 2014 can't get here soon enough. You still haven't learned that deceptionand greed is not the answer.
12:19 PM on 12/02/2012
The sad reality of the republican base is that they are extremely rich or dirt poor. How in the world can a poor person living on food stamps in the deep south red states become a republican? How can a working class person who needs stimulus and healthcare think about taking money away from themselves so that the uber rich can invest more in China? How can anyone sit idly by and watch the wealth disparity widen more now than ever in the history of this nation, including slavery and think, oh well, those rich folks need more money. My answer is one word IGNORANCE. There is no other answer.
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greenvicki
01:08 PM on 12/02/2012
Ignorance among other "deep seated" issues.
09:44 PM on 11/03/2012
No business owner wants any tax rises. They know how much the government wastes and accept that the government need to spend what they have better not tax and waste more.

Poor attempt to try to show businesses support Obama, as they clearly do NOT.
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greenvicki
10:43 AM on 12/02/2012
Republicans ignored national polls, during the election, accusing media of distorting results. They pretended to speak for the people, using lies and deceptions. They ignored what we were saying, and put their own spin on it. Now you're telling small businesses what they really mean, and once again,interpreting polls to their advantage. It didn't work during the election, and it will not work in 2014.
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jazzyolman
10:10 PM on 10/31/2012
If they think that way, they should let congress know. End this gridlock. Vote democratic and lets let the president get his job done over the next four years. Romney's ideas are to far out to work for America. Please people, stop the fueding. Just pray for guidence and trust God.

IN GOD WE TRUST
PROGRESSISGOOD
Without Economic Justice, There Is No Justice!
11:56 AM on 10/31/2012
The Republican Tax Cuts are only for the likes of Shelden Anderson and the Koch Brothers. The GOP just lies about small business owners being the beneficiaries of these tax cuts to deceive the American people.

Not many small business owners, like myself, can afford multi-million dollar campaign bribes to get our taxes lowered.
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rsicorp
Taxpaying American
04:16 PM on 10/31/2012
Its an across the board tax cut. Do your homework.
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greenvicki
10:45 AM on 12/02/2012
If I could fan you again, I would.
oilfield
large employer per obamacare
11:09 AM on 10/31/2012
profits from a business go 1 of 2 ways, the owner can make say 500k and pay personal taxes of roughly a 1/3 and loan the money back to the company for growth, or the company can pay the 1/3 and if the owner wants to take money out at a later date it can pay another 1/3 for taxes at that time....this depends on how the company is set up.....but it doesnt take a rock scientist to see that by removing 1/3 of the profits every year that it will slow growth of american companies.
so if you have a company that needs cash to grow, you have to go to the bank and pay the interest all the while giving profits to the government for its growth.
Bogym
Evolution/science?,,
09:23 PM on 10/31/2012
May I add..A business has to have CASH IN ORDER TO PAY PAYCHECKS>>EVEN WHEN BUSINESS SLOWS>>DEMOCRATS ARE JSUT PLIAN STUPID>>>>>and frankly..EVIL
oilfield
large employer per obamacare
11:47 PM on 10/31/2012
no doubt....when we get someone that is so anti business that the economy stalls for 4 years its rough. 
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a1putwins
Slow walking fast talking son of the south with a
09:28 PM on 10/31/2012
You have idenified who Obama really is. He's a representative for the banking . Dod Frank regulates banks but Obama doesnt seem to want to enforce any of it...
GM is allowed to go bankrupt and the King devides up the carcus.giving all thier benefits to the UAW but non union employees got very little, senior bond holders even less. Isnt that a violation of federal law? Guess not, the King did it.
11:05 AM on 10/31/2012
Lets just send all of our income to the government and then they can decide who needs what. To each according to their needs and from each all of their income. We could hire 100 million teachers (union of course) and the each kid would have their own personal teacher. Kind of like Obama Phones.
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a1putwins
Slow walking fast talking son of the south with a
09:29 PM on 10/31/2012
Yea thats the ticket
12:17 AM on 10/31/2012
There is already a bunch of new taxes set in place:

http://www.atr.org/full-list-obamacare-tax-hikes-a6996
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Stanley Bonk
"mad, bad, and dangerous to know"
10:49 AM on 10/31/2012
Well, that one more right wing nut site for my list. it's getting tedious, checking them all out every morning to find the latest Republican fantasies.
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a1putwins
Slow walking fast talking son of the south with a
09:22 PM on 10/31/2012
sad that people believe in the obabman fantasy
07:26 PM on 10/30/2012
Laughable. This just in - a new poll says everyone wants taxes raised on everyone who makes more than they do, story at 11!

You seem to omit the answer as to how increasing taxes on those making over $250k or whatever magic "rich people" income level you use will actually help either the economy or anything else.

Raising taxes won't help, we have a spending problem not a tax problem. Revenues will only go up marginally if at all by raising taxes and we're still left with a massive deficit.
10:40 PM on 10/30/2012
So what's the solution? And don't say "cut spending" unless you cut all $1.1 trillion of it.
01:15 AM on 11/01/2012
The solution?  Implement a new tax system. 0% income tax on income under $40k, 10% up to $100k, 15% for everything over $100k.   No deductions of any kind other than charity.  Capital gains, interest, etc.. all normal income, no differentiation of income types.
Cut the military by 25% over the next 10 years.
Eliminate all state and federal health programs (most of medicare/medicaid, VA, state assistance, etc..) and replace with a single payer system with a sliding max out of pocket based on income.
Let's start there, that will solve at least half of our problems.
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Stanley Bonk
"mad, bad, and dangerous to know"
10:51 AM on 10/31/2012
You should try reading the European Journal. They talk quite a bit about welfare spending, and they should kow about it. You have your tems reversed. We have a problem with inadquate tax revenue, not with spending. the rich have been getting away with paying to little for decades now. If we resolve that inequity, our fiscal troubles will be far smaller. If we give them more, it will get worse.
01:58 PM on 10/31/2012
Only problem with your theory, to put it kindly, is the rich pay the majority of our taxes and pay a higher rate on their income than anyone else.
The left likes to use the cherry picking fallacy.  They will pick a few cases where someone makes e.g. $100M a year and "only" pays 14% (still more than most Americans pay in income taxes) and scream that the rich are pulling one over on us.
Only, well, the numbers put the lie to that.  Go look at a breakdown of what the wealthy pay on average as a percentage of their income.  It's considerably higher than the middle class and massively higher than anyone else.
02:37 PM on 10/30/2012
If that's the case then I'm sure the Federal Government and the IRS would happily accept additional money from these same folks who feel they don't pay enough. As for me, my wife and I were up there in that pay grade but the economy has forced me to dip into my retirement accounts early to make ends meet and keep ahead of the taxes that I do owe. In the meantime, for every family on welfare living below the poverty level (about $22,000 a year) the government manages to make it cost $61000 a year on average to provide food stamps, section 8 housing and welfare payments to those who either can't or won't work. My my...
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rsicorp
Taxpaying American
04:20 PM on 10/31/2012
Reason is not well received on huffpost. I however appreciate your insight.
09:20 PM on 10/31/2012
Where did you get the $61,000 figure from? I support your implied position, but I have never seen an exact figure on how much the spending costs. But when you add all three together, it's bound to be a substantial amount.
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Wayne Caswell
Consumer Advocate & Founder of Modern Health Talk
02:14 PM on 10/30/2012
These business owners know why they hire, and it's to make a profit by meeting market demand from consumers with discretionary income.
01:41 PM on 10/30/2012
The most telling paragraph of this article comes when Mr. Arensmeyer talks about how most small business owners don't come close to the top tax brackets, even when they pass the income through to their personal tax returns. Despite what Governor Romney wants to believe, not every business owner out there falls into the top tax brackets.
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rsicorp
Taxpaying American
04:22 PM on 10/31/2012
He never said they did.
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greenvicki
11:04 AM on 12/02/2012
Really? That is what Romney and the GOP is trying to make us believe. "We will not raise taxes on small business". What is the republicans definition of small business?
01:27 PM on 10/30/2012
As a business owner, I would have been somewhat shocked if the poll had shown otherwise. Romney sure loves to invent truths.
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greenvicki
11:05 AM on 12/02/2012
Fanned and Faved! Your response, interpreted by the GOP, will be vastly different and in their favor.
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cqtestk4xs
Teddy Roosevelt - Last great Republican President
01:05 PM on 10/30/2012
More info that prives Romney and Ryan are full of BS. Any woman who votes for them is voting for a step backward in women's rights. Any middle class or bottom who votes for them has been duped into voting against their best interests. Finding the real Mitt is like playing pin the tail on the donkey blindfolded.
01:19 PM on 10/30/2012
Anyone who wants to pay higher taxes ..feel free and go right ahead..I pay plenty as it is and am tired of seeing my dollars pissed away ..
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Wayne Caswell
Consumer Advocate & Founder of Modern Health Talk
02:18 PM on 10/30/2012
Unless you make over $250K/year, you won't pay more taxes under Obama and should know that his whole intent is to grow the economy from the middle out.
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Earl Gray
Lighting up straw men everywhere
05:19 PM on 10/30/2012
So, Don the Painter, are you "at risk" of having to pay more in taxes?

People won't be in the market to paint their houses until the economy improves. Doing away with the Bush tax cut on top earners is vital to that effort.

If you are making $100K per year in profit and I could show you how to triple that to $300K, would you be willing to pay an additional 2% of that last $50K ($1,000) - keeping $190K?

If not, then get used to a sluggish market that will keep you from having to worry about that $190K.
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Wayne Caswell
Consumer Advocate & Founder of Modern Health Talk
02:16 PM on 10/30/2012
Blindfolded, spun around until you're dizzy, and pointed in the WRONG direction.
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Rodrockler
The dark side clouds everything!
12:35 PM on 10/30/2012
As a business owner, I don't fear taxes.

I pay them in respect for the nation that made my company able to use all the resources and infrastructure to thrive!

Taxes are not a dirty word!
09:47 PM on 10/30/2012
Right on, that is the way that many of us thrived
oilfield
large employer per obamacare
11:11 AM on 10/31/2012
i guess you dont need money to expand....