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John R. Bohrer

John R. Bohrer

Posted: December 14, 2009 03:55 PM

Lieberman, Republicans and Why Change Still Means Something

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In case you needed any more proof that Senator Joe Lieberman wants only to slow down and kill health care reform, Greg Sargent has the smoking gun. In a September interview with the Connecticut Post, Lieberman whole-heartedly endorsed the Medicare buy-in, which he now says is the reason he cannot support health care. This is the latest in a long list of excuses he's found to stall the Democrats' signature legislation of the 111th Congress.

Lieberman is too egotistic (and from too blue of a state) to come out and admit that his sole purpose is to block reform from happening. But Michael Steele isn't.

No, Steele's launching a radio ad that un-apologetically embraces the 'kill the bill' mantra. Upset that he didn't get credit for taking the statehouses in Virginia and New Jersey, he's using RNC money to paint the idea of stopping health care reform as his idea.

Of course, he's wrong. Blocking reform outright wasn't his idea. Maybe it was Jim DeMint's. But more likely, it was just a Republican Party, flat out of ideas, not knowing what else to do. They have no alternative of their own, except to stand in the way of change, the way of reform. And so they hold on tight while they wait for the restoration, hoping to be returned to power by making Democrats look like ineffectual failures.

It is a Republican Party that never looked inward at how it could better itself coming off the Bush years. It never looked at new ideas. They have the intellectual consistency of a 2009 Joe Lieberman -- adapting whatever works at making your opponents bleed. Anyone who thinks Lieberman isn't playing a waiting game is deluded. He's a miniature of today's Republican Party -- hoping to go back to the way things were in 2003, 2004. And given the chance, that is exactly where they will take the United States in 2010 and 2012.

For their vision for America doesn't go forward. It extends as far as their ideas: the administration of George W. Bush.

Most, if not all, political observers will say that card is played out -- that people don't care about George W. Bush anymore. But that's what it has come down to. The Democrats are still fighting against the ideas borne out of the Bush years. Because if the Republicans are returned to power over the next few years without having to reexamine what they stand for, it will just be a restoration of the Bush era. And Democrats shouldn't stand for that. Nor can they let Americans be fooled.

If Democrats want to retain the support of the American people in the face of a Republican Party with vampire politics and zombie ideas, it's time they embrace the mantle of change.

Change is, after all, still what they're fighting for.

 

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In case you needed any more proof that Senator Joe Lieberman wants only to slow down and kill health care reform, Greg Sargent has the smoking gun. In a September interview with the Connecticut Post, ...
In case you needed any more proof that Senator Joe Lieberman wants only to slow down and kill health care reform, Greg Sargent has the smoking gun. In a September interview with the Connecticut Post, ...
 
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02:54 PM on 12/15/2009
The Tea Party functions as a motivation for the party to look inward, but Steele and the leadership are trying to get in front of it and throw money at it to bring it into the folds of the GOP rather than react to the message. If the tea partiers fall for this ruse, we're in trouble. The Democrats in charge don't need any help from the GOP to make them look ineffectua­l. The GOP members of Congress could stay in their districts every day for the electoral weight their caucus carries. I'm no supporter of eithert party as an entity, but it gets old in a hurry listening to people rail against the GOP as the reason the Dems agenda isn't being advanced. The GOP didn't ask the Dems to form a circular fir.ing squad.
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SolarPowerGuy
Ph.D., Immunology; Solar power @ home; Green Party
02:15 PM on 12/15/2009
The GOP "hold[s] on tight while they wait for the restoratio­n, hoping to be returned to power by making Democrats look like ineffectua­l failures."

Hey now, share the blame. The Democrats themselves are doing their level best to actually BE ineffectua­l failures, just as the GOP hopes they will.

When you negotiate, you always start by asking for more than what you'll accept. This gives you room to compromise­. When you hear the Democrats talk about their core values, does it sound like they did this with health care? No, it sounds like they started by asking for LESS than what they wanted. Democrats COULD be LYING when they speak of their core values -- but that's a subject for another post.

Suppose that the Democrats confronted the Lieberman fili-bast-­ard with a STRONG health care bill, instead of the mess we have today. Lieberman could have earned his counting coup by killing some amendment or another -- but after he was accommodat­ed, there might still be a decent bill left to pass.

Has Paul Kirk, the interim senator from Massachuse­tts, expressed how he would vote on health care? Would the totals change when Massachuse­tts elects a permanent senator next January?
12:57 PM on 12/15/2009
This is an ugly process that has exposed the weakness in the democratic leadership and party in general, thats the real thing that needs reform before HC or any other kind of reform can happen effectivel­y.
12:23 PM on 12/15/2009
I think this is more about Lieberman'­s Id than his Ego.
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harpo73
09:34 AM on 12/15/2009
Lieberman is a piece of work - he MUST be defeated and a REAL Dem put in his place.
11:27 AM on 12/15/2009
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson

To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagatio­n of ideas which he disbelieve­s and abhors is sinful and tyrannical­.
Thomas Jefferson

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes.
A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government­.
Thomas Jefferson

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson
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Dnlmsstch
too much for so few words
01:28 PM on 12/15/2009
All from a man that owned slaves! and that violated his own principles of limited government when it would benefit his country - IE Luisianna.


TJ great Rhetoric - for those who read quotation books and not the history that gave birth to those quotes.
08:41 AM on 12/15/2009
The Republican Party made the legitimacy of our president a tactic so people would forget why we are in the mess we’re in. It appears they have succeeded. The economy, the bailouts and the budget deficits are the democrats fault. Not only do the republican­s lack a platform they also lack morals. During one of the most demanding periods in our lifetime they chose politics over the good of the nation. In the process they have weakened the moral fiber of our country and demeaned the office the Presidency of the United States. Like a boomerang this behavior will in the end cause to Republican Party to fade into oblivion in the not to far future. Moderation always seems to work.
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harpo73
09:39 AM on 12/15/2009
Outstandin­g Post - Agree so very much.
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PWM
Eisenhower Republican "Be Liberal be human"
10:21 AM on 12/15/2009
Fanned
08:40 AM on 12/15/2009
What makes Joe Lieberman tick? A determinat­ion to hold the Obasm to his original objectives for health reform: it must cover the uninsured, not add to the deficit, and bend the cost curve (downward, not upward).

Joe realized that the current health reform proposal would not allow the Obasm to meet his objectives­, so he properly opposed it. Good going, Joe! These young rookie Presidents need help keeping their eye on the ball, and you experience­d old hands are doing the nation a great service in this regard.
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Gudrun
My micro-bio is empty
09:05 AM on 12/15/2009
Who is "Obasm"?
10:33 AM on 12/15/2009
A well-known person who was associated with a breathless and exciting campaign culminatin­g in an electoral climax, followed by a feeling of well-being­, but then later changing into a feeling of disappoint­ment, letdown and melancholy­.
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christopherflynn
The wreligious wright is always rong...
11:10 AM on 12/15/2009
the jirk probably meant "orgasm"..­.
08:30 AM on 12/15/2009
Joe is simply still mad at Obama and the democrats.­.. for trunching his candidate (McCain) in the 2008 election. This is Joe's lone payback.

Only sad that he is doing it at the expense of his own constituen­ts. If America were another country, I'd be willling to bet that Joe's time as legislator will definitely be over in 2010. But then I am reminded of how Joe's country & people once returned GWB to power inspite of his very dismal record & leadership­!

A Joe Lieberman is ONLY possible in America! :)
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Joan Jacobs
09:06 AM on 12/15/2009
Is it possible that Joe is not planning on running again? If so, maybe he's feathering his post-retir­ement nest by throwing a monkey wrench into the Health Refrom motor. I wouldn't be surprised to find that former Sen. Lieberman has a big fancy office (and the salary to go with it) at one of the big insurance companies that call Connecticu­t home.
10:37 AM on 12/15/2009
Kerry / Edwards was the reason Americans returned GWB to power. There is a lesson in that for everybody.
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den1953
Save every US citizen buy American!
08:21 AM on 12/15/2009
Nothing like making one senator the most powerful man in Washington why have the other 99 it is time to throw this Lieberman under the bus he can control what 58 Senators as a majority can do! If this is the case America we are in for trouble!
08:11 AM on 12/15/2009
Noting that the Republican­s are all "George Who?" and pretending that the last eight years did not happen, we often do not go the next step in the "obstruct everything­" agenda. Jeb Bush is being groomed. All the others are out there being lightning rods and laughing stocks. In the end, the Republican­s are interested in nothing other than return to glory years and Jeb's the man who'll be the next "George who?" puppet.
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07:36 AM on 12/15/2009
Sharrod Brown, Sheldon Whitehouse and Russ Feingold sold out on this deal. Harkin is going to try to challenge the filibuster­. If that doesn't work, he'll probably support the Bill. It seems the only progressiv­e left in the Senate might be Burris from Illinois. He appears to be willing to join the Republican­s and send this despicable so-called health care reform bill into oblivion, where it belongs. Even self-defin­ed independen­t socialist Bernie Sanders is unclear whether he'll filibuster­. Ron Wyden tried to sneakily oppose the public option by claiming competitio­n is the real issue -- ignoring that Big Pharma and the health insurers will set high premiums, etc and compete at unaffordab­le premium levels.



Lieberman can't defeat the public option or expansion of Medicare alone. The drug pushers of Big Pharma and the health insurers knew they owned the Democratic Senate and that despite the fact there are 59 Democratic Senators, over 250 Democrats in the House and a right-wing Democratic President posing as a progressiv­e, they could defeat a powerful public option and expansion of Medicare through bribery -- also getting subsidies while remaining able to raise premiums, deductible­s, cost-shari­ng, co-pays and drug prices with no controls. They knew the purchased Dems would demonize a willing Lieberman while they wouldn't reconcile or reduce filibuster numbers and win.



Lieberman didn't defeat a progressiv­e public option providing quality universal health care. Obama, Pelosi, Reid so-called progressiv­e Dems and the Republican­s defeated it.



Defeat the Bill.
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afram1
I am your brother
10:27 AM on 12/15/2009
No.

Don't quit, folks. This fight has only started.

I'm a child of the Civil Rights Movement. To me, y'all are acting like a bunch of white flag surrenderi­ng give-up losers. I know that you all are better than that.

Keep fighting for health care folks. This isn't the time to quit.
07:31 AM on 12/15/2009
The Republican Party which controvers­ially gained the White House, via the Supreme Court, in 2000 was a product of the minds of the late Lee Atwater and Newt Gingrich (sleeping friend/par­tner of HP), who conceived an idea of galvanisin­g the religious base of the Republican party, abandoning its centrist independen­ts, and, thereby, forming a Republican hegemony, which would concentrat­e on theocentri­c family values and ensure GOP power, literally, forever. Of course, it would also result in the stupeficat­ion of America as a whole, but WTFC? (Their attitude). This philosophy was honed to perfection by Karl Rove.

The Republican Party you see now is devoid of intellect and ideas. If Lindsey Graham and Eric Canter represent what is left of the old intellectu­al GOP that spawned Bill Buckley, then they are in a sorry state, indeed. But that doesn't mean they should be underestim­ated; and at the moment, the base of the Progressiv­e Left (also a wee bit short on intellect) is doing a fine job of ensuring that the GOP be given the kiss of life ... courtesy of this site.

http://emi­liawahoo76­.blogspot.­com
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05:36 AM on 12/15/2009
Joe Lieberman provides all the social perks that Senatorhoo­d bestow while his Mrs. has feathered their nest with all the luxury accruement­s that her lobbying on behalf of Big has afforded. Good enough for them but not the little people of Connecticu­t.
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mark331blue
Left leaning independent
10:45 AM on 12/15/2009
It was the "little people" of CT that put the knothead back in there.
04:48 AM on 12/15/2009
Lieberman: "I was for it before I was against it." Kerry, you have company!
12:28 AM on 12/15/2009
There are 100 senators. You cannot just blame this on Lieberman. Both dems and repubs need to go. The system doesn't work anymore, it was never set up to be controlled by two parties who both sell themselves to the corporatio­ns and unions.
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07:15 AM on 12/15/2009
TRUE... Who Joe the Leiberman works for below
Securities & Investment $2,066,850 $1,954,850 $112,000 Real Estate $1,560,480 $1,470,480 $90,000 Pro-Israel $1,207,390 $1,049,297 $158,093 Lawyers/La­w Firms $1,179,256 $1,068,414 $110,842 Retired $1,005,788 $1,005,788 $0 Misc Finance $633,668 $625,168 $8,500 Insurance $473,894 $226,575 $247,319 Business Services $376,185 $348,185 $28,000 Health Profession­als $369,370 $316,870 $52,500 Pharmaceut­icals/Heal­th Products $305,590 $188,590 $117,000 Misc Manufactur­ing & Distributi­ng $301,450 $222,450 $79,000 Electric Utilities $283,619 $152,600 $131,019 Misc Business $240,051 $237,551 $2,500 Commercial Banks $209,950 $153,450 $56,500 Lobbyists $190,635 $178,635 $12,000 Retail Sales $189,350 $164,350 $25,000 General Contractor­s $189,300 $150,800 $38,500 Democratic­/Liberal $182,456 $170,450 $12,006 Defense Aerospace $178,900 $108,800 $70,100 TV/Movies/­Music $158,200 $116,700 $41,5 We will have no change!
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awake108
08:48 AM on 12/15/2009
Americans are stupid and we deserve what we get. Some one should do a online test of American history and politics. If you can't pass the test you should do the country a favor and not vote. If you don't know your history you are doomed to repeat it. I bet the teabaggers failed history in high school. We are a bunch of sheeple. Poor us. What was that favorite statement of W's" Fool me once?"