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Posted: November 27, 2009 03:02 AM

Americans Are Not Oxymorons: Reflections On President Obama's Afghanistan Plans

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President Obama's war in Afghanistan is, from a historical perspective, unique.

That's because what he's telling us, the American taxpayer, about this conflict is a notable departure from how the White House has traditionally "explained" most past US overseas military engagements to audiences here at home.

If you accept the arguments of Professor Susan A. Brewer in her recently published Why America Fights: Patriotism and War Propaganda from the Philippines to Iraq, our 44th Commander in Chief's public handling of our military commitment to the Central Asian "graveyard of empires" is an exception to a recurrent pattern of the past: that US leaders since President McKinley have in fact sold foreign wars to Americans through propaganda -- "the deliberate manipulation of facts, ideas, and lies," as she defines it.

Instead of the crude, obscenely packaged fabrications used by his predecessor in the Oval Office to mislead us into the war in Iraq, Obama's tortuous deliberations on a military escalation in Afghanistan have been marked by officially announced doubts about why we should engage more soldiers in that part of the world in the first place; by leaks about opinions from the principals involved, so many of whom disagree with one another; and, from a narrow PR perspective, by an unwillingness (some would call it a failure) to craft a clear, simple, "saleable" message of "why we must fight" in a little-known land, thousands of miles from our shores.

Moreover, the USG "public diplomacy" to persuade allies to join the Pentagon's planned additional troop deployment in Afghanistan has, thus far, been minimal.

It will be interesting to see how, after all his months of "dithering" (as former Vice President Richard Cheney labels it) about his "war of necessity," Mr. Obama will justify his war (and yes, it is his war now) in the address he'll reportedly make on Tuesday next week at West Point.

My guess is that he'll continue, intellectual that he is, to avoid superficial slogans and simplifications (e.g., Bush-like "us against them" mindless cheerleading) but that, cautious lawyer that he also is, he'll try to persuade us "logically" and "logistically" that the only way for our troops eventually to leave Afghanistan is for more of them to become involved in that country's "rebuilding" (i.e., get killed for Allah/God/Jehovah knows why).

In other words, the "we-are-getting-in-to-get-out" argument. Let's see how Mr. Obama's Harvard Law School degree will help him justify that sophistic argumentation.

True, there are many precedents for presidential oxymorons -- take Woodrow Wilson's "the war to end all wars," for example.

Still, the "we-do-it-to-avoid-it" oxymoronic assertion is a hard one to back up, even to us, the "moronic" American public that bought Mr. Bush's Iraq misadventure, after it was marketed as a "product," like a "no-sugar" can of Diet Coke, a marketing oxymoron if there ever was one.

But, if you like Mr. Obama's war or not -- and most Americans don't, according to the latest polls -- what is historically unusual about it is how little it has been hyped by lies from America's Chief Executive.

But how I wish, as one of many millions of American voters, that such Obama "honesty" meant that what our hopeful (supposedly not "hypeful") president is doing -- and has been saying up to now -- made any sense at all to us!

 

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10:17 AM on 12/01/2009
Are you kidding? Everything Obama does is Propaganda. He is the most image concious President we have ever had. He is not using the traditional vehicles of patriotism and fear because he would be flushed out immediately. Instead his media handlers give us an anguished thoughtful and sincere president who just wants to do the right thing -- merely a different kind of propaganda.

We gave him a pass on Guantanimo, on the federal deficit, on the buildup in Afganistan and they now expect more of the same. I always knew Obama would disappoint after all the campaign hype but even I didn't expect it this badly. He's just a used car salesman with a bait and switch. He promised to get us out of Iraq only to just give us more of the same. He's now giving the country back to the Republicans and letting them reclaim the moral high ground. And what's worse, he's making "liberal" a dirty word again.
04:59 PM on 11/30/2009
I've been watching Americans for a half century now. Most of us just love running off to make new wars but just can't seem to stay on task. We're not Oxymorons? Maybe not. Morons? Sure don't like to be called that, but don't see much evidence to the contrary.
04:36 PM on 11/30/2009
Traffickers in Brazil has weapons that bring down helicopters.
04:35 PM on 11/30/2009
Rio de Janeiro need military support to fight drug trafficking.
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03:03 PM on 11/30/2009
Lets see what the intelligence agencies report said about the intelligence of the Bush/Cheney administration.

Iraq War Made Americans Less Safe
The National Intelligence Estimate titled "The Terrorist Threat to the Homeland" amounts to a devastating critique of the Bush administration's policies on Iraq, Iran, and the terrorist threat itself. July 7, 2007
http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/20070717_release.pdf

WHAT?

From what Dick Cheney has been saying, he and Bush made america more not less safe... which is it? the Bush/Cheney Intelligence Agency report or Cheney?
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chlai88
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02:44 PM on 11/30/2009
FDR does not intend to go to war but went instead & was branded a warmonger. Bush went to Iraq simply bcos he wanted to. These 2 men have very different intentions and starting points with regards to war. The jury is still out on Obama's decision to send more troops. But at the very least, I feel Obama's decision is not a light one like Bush's but one that is heavily weighted by careful deliberations of all the pros and cons.
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Ergon
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04:39 PM on 11/30/2009
FDR and Churchill DID angle for war. And he knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbour, but wanted, and got, his casus belli.
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07:14 AM on 12/01/2009
FDR wanted to intervene, both in Europe and in Asia, once WWII had shown its true nature; he did intervene in ways short of asking for a declaration of war or committing US troops, before Pearl Harbor. The Holocaust was not fully known, but there were hints that something almost that bad might be going on, and it was certainly clear that Jews, Gypsies, and dissidents were being persecuted. He wanted Stalin to keep as much of Nazi power tied up on the eastern front as possible, and at some points there was concern that the USSR would be defeated and be out of the war.

It's unlikely that he wanted Pearl Harbor, though. The failures that led to our ships and planes being so vulnerable there don't seem very top-down, from what little I know.
01:38 PM on 11/30/2009
Just like Nam. Starts with liberals.
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PaiaGirl
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02:03 PM on 11/30/2009
Huh? Bush was a liberal? This is news to me.
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duhtruth
02:10 PM on 11/30/2009
Who got us in the midEast mess to begin with? Don't yell liberals, although they were stupid enough to give Bush a green light! Yell Cheney! Bush wasn't smart enough except to cheerlead after Dick put it to the US and got us involved in a way we will not get out in the next decade. It's all about greenbacks. If Obama had sense, he would tell the brilliant generals, we are coming home boys. Tomorrow!
01:38 PM on 11/30/2009
The liberal hawks are circling. Last time we saw so many liberal hawks was in Viet Nam when Johnson had his flurry of progressive domestic legislation balanced against losing over 50,000 young americans in the war. Ended bad for the democrats.

Now we are going to continue a war with the same approach as George Bush only in Afghanistan.
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03:13 PM on 11/30/2009
Can you name the "liberal" hawks?

I know we'll differ on the definition of "liberal",
(Hint-----Democrat doesn't always fit).
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harpo73
01:13 PM on 11/30/2009
Argument for getting in deeper.

Pakistan has the bomb.

Al Quaeda getting bomb is not a good thing.

Pakistan and Afganistan are linked.
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PaiaGirl
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02:04 PM on 11/30/2009
But you have left off the essential piece: How is sending troops to Afghanistan going to prevent this?

There is no cause and effect here -- other than our occupation of a Muslim country will inflame hatred of the U.S.
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07:29 AM on 12/01/2009
Do you really think the Pashtun mujahedin would be hunky-dory with a pro-US regime in Pakistan just because the US hands them back their base of operations? We and the ISI created a force we can't control, when we trained and armed them against the USSR. There is no border in Af-Pak, or rather there's sort of a border between the Pashtun and Tajik parts of Afghanistan. The force fighting to extend Sharia beyond the Swat valley is largely the same as the force we're fighting in southern Afghanistan.
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duhtruth
02:14 PM on 11/30/2009
Plus there is money to be made at someone else's expense and life. I want all neocons, whatever their ages, in t.he caves of this mess. Let them finish what they started.
01:10 PM on 11/30/2009
During his presidential campaign, candidate Obama argued that Afghanistan, not Iraq, was the central front in the so-called war on terror. Candidate Obama promised to send more troops and even to strike inside Pakistan should terrorists be spotted there.

This was an incredibly irresponsible campaign promise...and Obama knew it. But as we have come to see, candidate Obama made a lot of promises that were mere campaign rhetoric. Think Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

President Obama's "tortuous deliberations" referenced by Mr. Brown in his blog were nothing more than political kabuki. Let's remember, this is not the first time he has increased troop levels in Afghanistan.

It's time for Americans to lift the veil of stupidity from their faces. We need to judge the president on his actions and not on his soaring rhetoric.

Obama may be a good man but he has been an awful president.
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PaiaGirl
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02:05 PM on 11/30/2009
Compared to Bush?
02:52 PM on 11/30/2009
Stop using Bush as an excuse for Obama.

The fact that Bush was a fool doesn't give Obama the right to be a fool as well.

The fact that Republicans were craven, doesn't give Democrats the same right.
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07:39 AM on 12/01/2009
I think Candidate Obama believed basically what he said about Afghanistan, and president Obama still does. He may be right, and he may be wrong. But I don't think he's been lying.

He seems to believe in America to a degree that's hard for a lot of us to fathom. He thinks America can be a force for good in the world. He also thinks it's in our national interest for us to be seen that way, and in the interest of people worldwide for us to be committed to being seen that way. That doesn't fit very well with just killing a bunch of people, destabilizing a country, and going home without even trying to head off the internal war that would inevitably follow to overthrow the weak and deeply corrupt regime we installed.
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scarab23
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12:48 PM on 11/30/2009
We continue to lock up our children, victims of the drug/warlords we support in Afghanistan. If that's not a good enough reason to remove our support of these fooks, then there will never be one.
Whether it be Obama or Bush calling the shots, the result will be the same.
Wanna bet?
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OldTart
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12:57 PM on 11/30/2009
No one is holding a gun to the heads of our children and forcing them to ingest drugs. Get real! The problem is much deeper than that.
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scarab23
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01:11 PM on 11/30/2009
Mm hm. And your thinking resembles an old tart, too. Get real, yourself.
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Kristen777
01:27 PM on 11/30/2009
The war on drugs begins at home.
12:37 PM on 11/30/2009
Hope he suceeds, but I tend to think any attempt at helping Afghans rebuild anything is prone to failure. These people do not have the same culture of post WWII Germany or Japan, nor a collective desire to progress much beyond where they have been for decades if not centuries.

Kill terrorists by all means. And get Pakistan to get rid of the ones who actually attacked us. But simply putting in more troops is not going to instill motivation for self-policing or progress that isn't there, nevermind the history of corruption.
06:18 PM on 11/30/2009
We cannot hope to nation-build in Afghanistan. You'd think the British would have known better, having had their Imperial a$$es smacked three times by the Afghans, and when the Brits were at the height of their Imperial power too.

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07:48 AM on 12/01/2009
Afghanistan is certainly very different from post-WWII Germany and Japan, but it was a relatively stable country before the USSR attacked. It wasn't rich, but neither was it so desperately poor as to produce waves of economic refugees fleeing famines. Getting back to something like that would be a huge amount of progress.

It's not a nation, though, and never has been. It has always had ethnic tensions, with one ethnic group in power and the rest subjugated at any particular time, but with no ethnic group so dominant in numbers and cultural influence as to give the country a national identity.
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10:53 AM on 11/30/2009
Obama has created a whole new "domino theory" lie to augment his original "big lie" (war of necessity).

First, the "war of necessity" lie is as big a lie to justify escalation in Afghanistan as WMDs was when Bush was selling invading Iraq. As we all know, no Afghans attacked us at 9/11 and the Taliban offered to hand over bin Laden to a neutral third country. Afghanistan is geometrically weaker than we are economically and militarily and the Taliban are no threat to us. The Europeans know this and have less than half of the number of troops we have there and no contractors even though the European Union has a population 100,000,000+ greater than ours and a larger economy and is supposedly as committed to this as we are. Canada is already withdrawing.

The second lie Obama is telling is that somehow when the Taliban drives out the corrupt drug pusherocracy we have left there after 8 years of depression-sustaining expenditures, al Qaeda will get Pakistan's nukes. That's a more BS domino theory than the Vietnam one (all Asia will fall one-by-one like "dominos" to communism if South Vietnam fell, including Japan turning red.) That was always BS and untrue, but Obama's "al Qaeda will get Pakistan's nukes if the Taliban wins is even dumber and more dishonest.

The only sane policy is immediate, safe withdrawal of all US troops and contractors from Iraq and Afganistan.
02:58 PM on 11/30/2009
Al Qaeda will not get Pakistan's nukes, but the Taliban might. It is not a lie to say that the Taliban has made a big incursion into Pakistan territory, at one point getting within 50 miles of the capital. This isn't the domino theory it's what's already happening now. Pakistan is our ally and they are being invaded. If a European ally were invaded would support American intervention? If so, what's the difference? What is the point of having allies if they won't help you repel an invasion? Unfortunately, this is an invasion combined with a civil war, in that some Pakistanis support the Taliban. Nonetheless, this isn't some hypothetical situation, the government of Pakistan could easily fall to the Taliban. It's a weak government which does not have the full loyalty of its armed forces.
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04:33 PM on 11/30/2009
It's fearmongering to say the Taliban got within 50 miles of the capital as if they posed a threat to the government. At one point a small continent of militants -- no threat at all to the government -- got within 50 miles of the capital. The Pakistani military then drove them back and continued a successful offensive against them.

The Europeans don't contribute more than token support because they know Obama's strategy, and Bush's before him, is wholly BS and the Taliban pose no threat to anyone but people who want to continue war to benefit their own personal corruption, either with the drug pusherocracy, the military-industrial complex, the criminal private merc armies wholly paid for by US taxpayers or some combination of all 3.

Your scenario is wholly at odds with the facts and is designed to justify Obama's escalation. I remember those like you making the same arguments for remaining in Vietnam and/or Iraq. It's false, paranoid fearmongering.

Immedate, safe withdrawal of all US troops and contractos for Iraq and Afghanistan. It is that simple.
02:58 PM on 11/30/2009
..cont
I wish we'd never invaded Afganistan. But I think leaving will not make the Taliban go back to Afganistan and leave Pakistan alone. The Pakistani government ceded the Swad valley and the Taliban tried to take the capital. I don't know if the strategy in Afganistan will work or if any strategy would. But I do not believe that Obama is escalating this war to fund the military-industrial complex; to get cheap oil; nor to spread "Democracy." I think he is trying to prevent an easily foreseeable catastrophe (a catastophe that is well underway) from befalling one of our nuclear-armed allies.

There is no obviously right answer in Afganistan. Whatever we do will result in horrible bloodshed. You may be right that withdrawing is the least wrong answer but it's simplistic to say that it's the only sane policy and that any other approach is based on lies.
03:09 PM on 11/30/2009
Right, I want out of Afghanistan now, too, but I think we are there not because of Afghanistan, but because of the instability of Pakistan, and the rise of the Talibs within Pakistan. Al Quada and the Taliban are sometimes partners...sometimes not. If we can weaken their link, and the advance of the Taliban in Pakistan, we can better secure that region. Pakistan is only afraid of India, they will not fight the Taliban. So, we are sorta damned if we stay (bloodshed, civilian loss, $) and damned if we leave (potential threat of Pakistan becoming unstable to either the Taliban or to India, our greater ally). It's really a big fat mess, and we need the help of other countries. If I had to decide right now, I say leave, and let it sort itself out...I don't believe the bomb will fall into terrorist hands (it's all Pakistan has left, they will secure it). Not a comfy feeling though!
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07:55 AM on 12/01/2009
"There is no obviously right answer in Afganistan. Whatever we do will result in horrible bloodshed. You may be right that withdrawing is the least wrong answer but it's simplistic to say that it's the only sane policy and that any other approach is based on lies."

Fanned!
10:47 AM on 11/30/2009
After 8 years, the propaganda would not have worked anyhow. And Nixon did follow this same approach with his 'secret plans' to end the war which inevitably lead to escalation...
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09:50 AM on 11/30/2009
The military-industrial complex was bigger than the office of president during Eisenhower's presidency. That's why he warned us against it on his farewell address. The MIC has grown by leaps and bounds since then.

So, if it was more powerful than Eisenhower, who was dealing with a much smaller MIC and who had the most impressive military credentials of his own, it is much more powerful than President Obama. Whoever sits in that oval office has all the trappings of power, but is really constrained.

Remember the fictional scene in the movie "Nixon" where President Nixon was confronted by some youthful war protesters at the Lincoln Memorial. The young woman in that scene could see right through him and told President Nixon that he couldn't stop the war if he wanted to. She could see that he was trapped by constraints beyond his power.

That's where Obama is right now. It will take more than just electing Obama to stop the military-industrial complex.
12:31 PM on 11/30/2009
America has all these shadow gov'ts pulling the strings and running this country into the ditch.

Wars - the military industrial complex
Health - the health insurance and pharmaceutical corporations
Economy - the banking and Wall Street lobbiests

Too bad , we no longer have a gov't of the people, by the people and for the people.
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12:52 PM on 11/30/2009
We never did have such a government as you describe. It was an ideal. It worked better some time than others, but "the people" are only a resource for the better positioned in these united states. It has taken me 66 years to see that. I am sad.
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PaiaGirl
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02:07 PM on 11/30/2009
So true.
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04:32 PM on 11/30/2009
until the banks and the pseudo capitalism in this country are hobbled and rejected by a pie-eyed and naive public, wars will continue to be profitable and therefore a financial necessity. Death has always been profitable, especially death in great numbers, and it always pays generous dividends to its investors.