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John Feffer

Posted: February 23, 2010 02:36 PM

Our Taliban

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The Dutch government is the latest casualty of the Afghanistan War. Over the weekend, the Labor Party in the Netherlands walked out of the ruling coalition government to protest the extension of the Dutch deployment in Afghanistan.

The Taliban is rejoicing.

Oh, perhaps you thought I meant the Taliban in Afghanistan. No, I meant the Taliban in the Netherlands. You didn't know there was a Dutch Taliban? It goes by a different name, you see. It's the Freedom Party, and it's poised to become a top vote-getter in the elections that will follow in the wake of the ruling coalition's collapse.

The Freedom Party's leader, Geert Wilders, would violently object to his party being labeled the Dutch Taliban. He's anti-Islam, after all, and has famously called the Koran a "fascist book." But the far right wing in The Netherlands -- and its counterparts elsewhere in Europe -- is just as intolerant and narrow-minded and xenophobic as the radical Islamists it dislikes so much in Afghanistan. Both of these Talibans believe their own societies have become too tolerant. They want their religious traditions to be dominant. They share a distaste for modern governments, but they have no problem taking over those state apparatuses to impose their own values.

But here's an interesting twist. Wilders and the Freedom Party want the Dutch out of Afghanistan. It's perhaps no surprise that a populist party should adopt a popular position -- 58 percent of Dutch want out of Afghanistan, compared to only 35 percent who want to stay. It's part of a larger trend. Public opinion throughout Europe has decisively turned against the war. But it isn't the European left, by and large, that has taken advantage of this antiwar sentiment. After all, European Social Democrats -- the British Labor Party, the German Social Democratic Party, the French Socialist Party -- have been compromised by their early support of the war in Afghanistan. With the mainstream left at a disadvantage, right-wing populists like Wilders can pull a Ron Paul and capture the vaguely libertarian sentiments of a significant portion of the electorate.

The Democratic Party here in the United States is in a similar quandary. Obama's surge in Afghanistan has rebranded the Dems, for the umpteenth time, as the war party. So where some fear to tread, others rush in boldly. Ron Paul's antiwar message at the recent Conservative Political Action Conference, for instance, helped boost him to the top of the event's presidential straw poll. As CPAC attendee John Basil Utley writes, there was "solid antiwar participation" at the ConCon that went beyond just Ron Paul.

This antiwar message will become even more popular as we approach the 2010 mid-term elections. It doesn't look like the Obama administration will remove all combat troops from Iraq by August after all. As for Afghanistan, the antiwar position in the United States narrowly edges out the pro-war position (52 percent vs. 47 percent, according to a late January CNN poll). But that gap will likely widen. The Europeans -- and the Canadians and Australians -- will begin to pull out their troops. The war in Afghanistan will generate more and more U.S. casualties (we just went over 1,000). A rising number of Afghan casualties - such as the 27 civilians who died in the recent airstrike on a convoy of buses -- will undercut the supposed hearts-and-minds element of the current surge. And the Democratic Party's attempt at both guns and butter will founder as surely as Lyndon Johnson's did in the 1960s.

And what about our own intolerant, racist, xenophobic, narrow-minded, religiously conservative political movement? There is some overlap between Christian fundamentalists and anti-government extremists, but they haven't joined hands to form a true U.S. Taliban. Unlike Geert Wilders' Freedom Party, the U.S. Tea Party movement has not taken a prominent position on the war. So far it has focused on its domestic message: free markets, limited government, no taxes. But there is a fight going on inside this movement. Sarah Palin, whose views on war are so naively hawkish as to earn a rebuke from none other than Dick Cheney, aspires to lead the Tea Party movement. And Ron Paul, whose presidential campaign in 2008 served as an inspiration for the movement, now argues that the Republican Party is exerting a "neocon kind of influence" over the populist groundswell.

Unless the antiwar faction of the Democratic Party grabs the steering wheel, the peace movement stands a good chance of getting outflanked. A nativist antiwar movement, which wants "our boys" back home to patrol the borders against the very people who keep our economy going, could steal the populist vote from the Democrats and from the left in general. We have to counter with a campaign that translates the dollars spent on war into dollars that could be spent on jobs.

So let the Dutch political crisis serve as a warning. There are always people like Geert Wilders waiting in the wings. Last time the Democrats screwed up so royally on a war vs. economy issue, we got Richard Nixon for nearly six years. This time around we might get something a whole lot worse.

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09:48 AM on 03/02/2010
I found a link to this article from another website, and after reading it, I just had to comment.
I find this articles comparison of the Taliban to the dutch political party/Wilders to be very concerning. Why is a legitimate concern over a "faith" that promotes so much intolerance, so much hate, and ultimately will want all countries to become Islamified, racist ? And when did Islam become a race?
I think it is not only right but a duty to criticize an ideology that ultimately wants all people to convert, die, or pay a tax/fee to be allowed the "right" to live in a Muslim country. Another thing the author fails to grasp - Islam is not just a religion - it is a POLITICAL system as well. There is no seperation of Mosque and state. Look at the trouble even "moderate" turkey is having now with Islamic supremists. If you want your country laws and political system to based on the Koran, and Sharia law, rather than a Judeo-Christian heritage, well look to Iran, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Afganistan, Pakistan, Indonesia, Turkey, Yemen, etc Great places all, full of freedom, full of tolerance, all religions are treated with great respect in those places aren't they?
01:43 PM on 02/27/2010
""The Freedom Party's leader, Geert Wilders, would violently object to his party being labeled the Dutch Taliban"" - who in their right mind would come on out with crap like this?

This was a dreadfully constructed and pitiful attempt to malign Wilders and his Party. The cheap shot accusations of labelling him as 'far right' and/or 'racist' ,have all been heard before and are nothing more than meaningless labels favoured by the lilly-livered apologists for Islam whose appeasement for this mysoginistic, homophobic, murderous cult, that seems to have the entire West running scared.

Wilders has never advocated violence against any one, unlike the many death threats sanctioned by Fatwah from some Islamic clerics and followers of the Religion of Peace: it is quite wrong for Feffer to make such outrageous and blatant mischief which shows his massive degree of ignorance of the situation in Europe through left wing policies of mass immigration in to Europe and of European politics in general.

Shame on you Feffer.
07:49 PM on 02/26/2010
The Dutch should be proud; Wilders is the only real hero politician in Europe who has had the courage to raise a very delicate subject everyone else is running away from. No European nation should stand by silently and agree to a group that idolize beheadings, honor killings, rape, incest and human rights violations - all in accordance with their Quran and Sharia laws. No European should ever agree for Sharia to exist and strike root in their society if they value their future. Fact is people don't realize that to be Muslim, they are obliged to only follow these laws and ignore the laws of the land they immigrate to. This is why the overwhelming number of Muslims we see refuse to integrate. Only Christian Muslims who have no upbringing of Sharia integrate.

Shame on those Dutch who go against Wilders efforts to save his own nation! They are the true traitors to liberty, freedom and human rights.
07:48 PM on 02/26/2010
Geert Wilders will save the entire Netherlands from becoming a dangerous Islamic republic within 20 years. If Holland continue to exist with the current complacent politicians it would cease to exist as a free nation to the Dutch and be controlled by Sharia. That is a fact which many naive and ignorant people who have not dealt very much with Islam fail to understand. The Dutch being accustomed to peace and tranquility cannot imagine this is even possible to happen and see no danger.

If we look at examples, we see the truth: wherever Muslim mass-immigrate and get out of control, it eventually leads to them trying to control their host nations. Holland has the highest Muslim population in all of Europe, and the Muslims contribute to the highest imaginable violent crime and rape records (around 80%). Modern history shows that Muslim immigration starts small but then begin to escalate to demanding mosques, then more immigration, then their own laws (Sharia) and gradually they demand the locals to be subject to these laws as well. And before you know it, you have an Islamic Republic. This has already happened in so many other nations. Not everyone is that naive, thank god. Islam is a dangerous ideology, which intends to take over countries by mass population, and then create them into an Islamic state. This has been repeated again and again by various Islamic leaders and priests in the Islamic world.
08:48 AM on 03/03/2010
very true!!!!!!!!
03:34 PM on 02/24/2010
"Dutch Freedom Party is ready to govern the Netherlands."
Geert Wilders

BRAVO!!!
12:11 PM on 02/24/2010
"But the far right wing in The Netherlands -- and its counterparts elsewhere in Europe -- is just as intolerant and narrow-minded and xenophobic as the radical Islamists it dislikes so much in Afghanistan."

Certainly one would be fully justified to make this assumption. Especially when being blissfully unaware of such quint Taliban traditions as banning music, denying ALL women right to education, stoning for adultery, hand amputations for theft support o Al Qaeda etc.
Oh, and this report from RAWA, an organization of Afghan women:
http://www.rawa.org/h-kill.htm
But why quibble.
02:17 PM on 02/24/2010
Don't forget throwing acid in the faces of school girls, but as you say why quibble. The real crisis in the Netherlands is that Wilders is having to answer to the Amsterdam appeals court for insulting Muslims. The irony is that Wilders becomes ever more popular as his free speech is being muzzled. It is the doctrinair leftists who are the real threat here, not gas bags like Wilders.
03:01 PM on 02/24/2010
I have not forgotten.While one may have a difference of opinion about Wilders' anti-immigrant stance. But comparison to Taliban are so wildly out of place as to be farcical.
09:26 AM on 02/24/2010
While Mr. Wilders may not be everyone's cup of tea he does represent the feelings of many in the Netherlands who are no longer willing to be tolerant of the intolerance they see espoused by the Islamic radicals in their midst. The author makes the simplistic error of trying to interpose the complexities of Dutch internal politics with various populist movements in the US. Wilders is poised to become the Netherland's most powerful politician not because of the stupidity of the Dutch electorate or the cynical motives of the Dutch Labor Party, but because the Dutch multicultural experiment has failed. It is because Wilders need 24 hour police protection, it is because Ayan Hirsi Ali was forced out of the country for her anti-Islamic views, it because Theo van Gogh brutally murdered that roughly half the Dutch electorate has said enough.
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10:23 PM on 02/24/2010
The defenders of Wilders and the Freedom Party fail to understand that the Taliban in Afghanistan make the same justifications for their intolerance. Indeed, their arguments are stronger. Their entire country was brutalized, with tens of thousands killed before, during, and after Soviet occupation. in that sense, their xenophobia is more understandable than Dutch racism -- but neither, in my mind, is defensible.

The murder of Theo van Gogh was a terrible thing. But it's no more a sign of the failure of Dutch multiculturalism than a hit-and-run death by an undocumented worker somehow suggests the failure of the U.S. experiment in multiculturalism (a not uncommon argument by the anti-immigration lobby here).

I said nothing about the intelligence of the Dutch electorate. If anything, I implicitly argued that Dutch voters are reacting sensibly to the hypocrisy of social democratic parties like the Labor Party for having supported the Afghanistan War in the first place.
08:18 PM on 02/26/2010
Claiming that the radicalized Islamic murder of Theo van Gogh as an isolated incident, is like claiming 9/11 was just an unfortunate mistake. How anyone can make such absurd justifications for a brutal murder, in honor of Islam, is beyond acceptance.

And what was so "bad" with what Theo did? van Gogh had his throat cut for a movie that did little else but quote passages from the Quran exposing severe abuse of women. In other words, if you have any objection at all against Islam, you are considered the rightful recipient of a brutal death.

And you consider this as an insignificant attribute to multiculturalism?
02:01 PM on 03/02/2010
I'm sorry for the disrespect, but that is a foolish argument to make. The taliban were intolerant and violent in afghanistan long before there was any foreign interference in their country. Wilders and his ilk, however extreme, are a response to the violent and intolerant nature of the islamic minority in their country. It's not racist to be against the violent protests over cartoons, or the murder of controversial filmmakers.

The muslims moving to the Netherlands need to know, they are moving to a Dutch country, where they should respect Dutch culture and dutch sensitivities. If they don't want to do that...then they don't have to move there, and don't have to reap the benefits of Dutch social services. There is a reason why the Netherlands are so much more developed than islamic countries in the first place, and one reason is that cultures who kill off those with an independent streak aren't going to advance anytime soon.
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10:28 PM on 02/23/2010
What does Theo Van Gogh think?
12:16 AM on 02/24/2010
i think Theo Van Gogh made a movie on how woman are treated in the muslim world .
so a muslim killed him .
09:29 AM on 02/24/2010
The movie was called Submission (which is what the word Islam means).