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Should MIT Teach Poetry?

Posted: 11/14/10 12:36 PM ET

This past week, graduate student Emily Ruppel wrote an editorial for the MIT newspaper The Tech that offered a formula even a poet can understand: "MIT - poetry = a travesty." She was lamenting the cancellation of MIT's "Advanced Poetry Workshop" for financial reasons, while the school continued to offer such courses as "Writing for Social Media," "Writing for Games" and "Communicating With Mobile Technology."

One can certainly question a school's decision to fund a course on Twitter theory over its only advanced poetry workshop. But is it fair to question it at MIT, a school with a stated mission of "the advancement of knowledge and education of students in areas that contribute to or prosper in an environment of science and technology?" Ruppel thinks so:

Explore the origin of every noun you speak, and you will find a metaphor for something concrete, tangible, and otherwise inexpressible except by grunts and arm-flailing. Poetry, as long as man could string words together into longer, more involved metaphors and language-pictures, has been the remedy for our dumbness. Good poetry paints pictures of the previously inexpressible. It is not just a flowery literary form for men in tights and white-mustached monks, it's a useful tool for any young scientist who would someday like to communicate with the world outside her lab.

I think Ruppel is right. At the very least, a poetry class could help make MIT's yearly output of brilliant scientists and mathematicians better communicators and more well-rounded people. I would take her argument even further, though, and offer that poetry can also be a useful tool for a young scientist inside the lab.

I've spent some time in both the science and the poetry worlds, attending a science and technology high school, and focusing on biology for two years in college before I took to poetry. And while there are obvious fundamental differences between poetry and science, I think that the process of writing poetry has a great deal to offer the scientist.

Writing a poem not only requires the poet to be creative; it requires that she constantly subject that creativity to the pressure of analysis. Good poets learn to let alternating moments of creation and analysis lead them beyond the boundaries of their understanding. Couldn't scientists -- who engage in their own, more deliberate process of creativity and analysis -- benefit from experiencing poetry's far more concentrated creative process? More simply, wouldn't scientists benefit from learning how to better harness their creativity?

Einstein once said, "Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas." An MIT student should, at the very least, have the opportunity to take a class that will help her decide for herself what Einstein meant by that. And I seriously doubt she'd find that sort of wisdom in a Twitter class.

 
This past week, graduate student Emily Ruppel wrote an editorial for the MIT newspaper The Tech that offered a formula even a poet can understand: "MIT - poetry = a travesty." She was lamenting the ca...
This past week, graduate student Emily Ruppel wrote an editorial for the MIT newspaper The Tech that offered a formula even a poet can understand: "MIT - poetry = a travesty." She was lamenting the ca...
 
 
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LeftLeanWing
Ah.. I said..Ah Said I said... Proceed Guv'nah
10:53 AM on 11/20/2010
My Alma Mater---MIT--- had a great liberal arts program.

When I was there I took a course is Baroque Music - FIgured Bass for Piano

But then again there was also a IAP course in 'Introduction to Elevator Hacking' too

Also at the time it had the largest number of intramural sports offerings for any university in America
but no football team, oh and the cheerleaders were sometimes taller than our basketball team's players.
04:04 PM on 11/18/2010
I'm surprised at how many responders feel poetry can't be taught, that it's somehow innate. Sure, knowing the language, we can put words and phrases together and construct a poem, and it might very well be a good poem. But, part of the issue considered in the article-- and part of what's "taught" in a poetry classroom-- is technique and, even moreso, analysis. Is metaphor innate? Is synecdoche? Perhaps we know how to rhyme and use meter, but do we inherently know how to use it most effectively? This kind of base knowledge-- the fundamentals of the form-- allows writers of poetry to think critically about the work they produce, polish it, and make it as effective as possible. And, even if you think such analysis is not necessary for writing a good poem (though I wholeheartedly disagree), certainly you can agree that this kind of analysis can extend to other fields as well. And how best to learn such technique and analysis than in a classroom, led by a career poet, and surrounded by other creative minds?
03:33 PM on 11/18/2010
there is no need to take college classes on poetry. Unlike, say, biochemistry, it's fairly easy to learn all about poetry on your own, granted you're willing to put some effort into it. Why spend 50k a year learning to do something you can do on your own?
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04:03 AM on 11/18/2010
No, no, no poetry should be taught at school level, not tertiary level. One doesn't need a tertiary level class to be a poet. MIT should focus on training technology and science graduates and providing funding for them. Remember China trains ten times the amount of graduates in technology and engineering and its time to start mass producing these people.
 
Also MIT should make use of their open edu courses and notes they put on the web, and start charging international visitors to the site who want to take an exam through the internet based on some of their courses. They get about 15 million views per month. I myself want to take an exam based on the notes on sustainable development and planning.
 
Keep the coursework free, but start charging 100$  per exam for anybody wanting to get an MIT subject and using the internet to self-study from the course material they put up there.
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06:11 AM on 12/14/2010
Yes, yes, yes: poetry and other courses in the arts and humanities belong at every kind of college and university within America. But, rather than poor little me explaining why, read a great man's explanation: Mark Slouka, a professor at the University of Chicago:

http://harpers.org/archive/2009/09/0082640
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06:44 PM on 11/16/2010
personally, the ability to write poetry ..........is inate.
when i was growing up. i had no care for reading poetry.
but i wrote it.
i have notebooks and notebooks of it.that my mother saved.
if you need a lesson to write poerty........
to me that is like learning how to live on the moon.
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vegetablelollipop
06:18 AM on 12/14/2010
Dear Booki:

Oh, sweet friend, why do you spread these falsehoods about art?

All art is constructed and learned. Sure: some are "born" with talent that makes them approach art with high distinction. But talent alone does not an artist make. One is not born with creative *abilities* or with craftspersonship per se. One hones an artistic craft as surely as an artisan like a house builder hones his practice through study, application, drafting, and problem-solving. There are plenty of "creative types" who make absolutely no viable art and, if they do, their art lacks the kind of rigorous, innovative formal construction required for truly deep and concerted sharing beyond the limited confines of one's friends.

I'm so tired of these clichés about art:

YES: all artistic practices can be taught just as much as the forms, concepts, and best practices of any human endeavor might be taught.

YES: all artistic practices can be learned just as much as the forms, concepts, and best practices of any human endeavor might be learned.

Sincerely yours,

Brenda in Baltimore
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05:26 PM on 11/16/2010
The most brilliant people I know also have creative minds -- this allows them flexibility and creativity in whichever field that pursue. Of course, MIT should have poetry -- as it has and does.
03:15 PM on 11/16/2010
I write as the head of the MIT Program in Writing and Humanistic Studies, the home of poetry instruction here, to correct the fundamental mistake running through Mr. Lundberg's post, which in turn derives from essential error in his source, an editorial by Emily Ruppel.

The core of that piece turns on the assertion that MIT's poetry curriculum had been cut, and that no classes beyond the introductory level will be taught next spring.

Not true.

The Writing Program typically offers four classes in poetry per year, one introductory and three upper-level. We are doing so again in this year (and expect to do so in the future).

Ms. Ruppel's real complaint is not that poetry has been cut at MIT, but that one course she wished to take has been removed from the schedule for this year (though not from the catalog). This change occured because we have been fortunate enough to be able to add a fourth poet to our group this year, and adding her teaching to our program has shifted our offerings a bit. I understand Ms. Ruppel's disappointment, but disagree strongly with her suggestion that this is a bad thing.

Consider: MIT students may now study under four different accomplished poets. Each of these artist-teachers possesses a distinctive voice and approach to composition. That is: the world of poetry is enormously diverse – and I value highly capturing some of that diversity in our curriculum.

IMHO, Mr. Lundberg owes MIT an apology.
07:11 PM on 11/17/2010
I am very glad you responded to correct the error. Seems like errors do occur in "The Tech" from time to time.
01:30 PM on 11/19/2010
To be clear, my position is this: Mr Levenson (et al?) are still more focused on the number, rather than the depth, of the poetry classes in the writing department’s course schedule. The reason for offering an advanced class is to allow the students who take it the opportunity to dig deeper into their chosen form, focusing their attention and honing their skills in a way that is impossible to do while still learning fundamentals. Advanced classes offer the opportunity not only to continue studies with a teacher who is already familiar with your strengths and weaknesses as a writer, but, even more importantly, to get serious, well-informed feedback from colleagues who also have a working knowledge of the form.

Canceling the advanced poetry class does exactly what I said in my message–trades this intimate and necessary familiarity for technology-dependent or hybridized classes, which is, I think, a mistake.

Partially in response to my letter in the Tech, writing students at MIT have requested to be part of the decision-making process as the PWHS restructures itself, an effort that Mr. Levenson has, much to his credit, truly welcomed. Student interest and involvement in the future of the humanities is a worthy initiative, regardless of what your opinion on the worth of poetry happens to be.

The fact that my letter in the Tech has caused so much conversation about what we, as a society, value, and why, has been a real surprise. A welcome one.
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Time traveler.
05:06 PM on 11/15/2010
Poetry at MIT, Engineering at Harvard, Sobriety at Yale. It could happen.
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Majestry
Every man is the artisan of his own fortune
01:03 PM on 11/15/2010
MIT shouldn't lie about what they are looking for when kids apply to the college. They should say, "It's your test scores, your GPA, and the number of extracurriculars you have and nothing else" Instead, they say things like "we want people who have had life experiences, who have shown great personal character and who have strong personal stories." None of which is true.
08:34 AM on 11/17/2010
And yet, I met some of the most interesting and intelligent at MIT. The numbers matter, but quite often there is someone worth having around behind them. And they most certainly do admit people with "life experiences." I met people that had to go to community college/the military to turn things around and be admitted. You might be surprised. :p
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Majestry
Every man is the artisan of his own fortune
10:06 AM on 11/17/2010
Then there was absolutely ZERO excuse for them to reject me. NONE. Coming from one of the best high schools in the country, with phenomenal SAT scores, a more than acceptable GPA, and coming from a home so broken where if I wasn't working to support myself -- running my own business in high school no less -- I wouldn't have had food to eat or clothes to wear or school supplies to use.
01:00 PM on 11/15/2010
I taught at an engineering school for 8 years and found that engineering students for the most part hold the humanities in contempt, especially any sort of writing that isn't business or technical writing. They might generally agree that a broad, well-rounded education is good, but that for them specifically it is unnecessary. They were among the most ignorant, unpleasant students I have every had, and I pity anyone who finds himself having to teach at such a school. Maybe things are different at MIT....
10:12 AM on 11/16/2010
gfirmin57: What you experienced as "unpleasant" is because you did not understand the mind of a Mathematica, engineer, or scientist. We are typically people that think in linear and logical ways. Point A is to point B.

I, as a female, was an Engineer for over 30 years. It did not make me unapproachable. I was married to an Engineer for 33 years and we managed to raise two loving children that live in the world of reality and not what should be. They own their own business together.

I am not part of the "politically correct crowd." Art,poetry, etc. are very subjective fields, math, science, physics are not. They are very black and white, but are very creative in their own right. I fine the arc of electricity from point A to point B very poetic. The dancing of neutrons a ballet. A chalk board full of a mathematical formula a painting to behold.
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09:09 AM on 11/17/2010
Amen :-)
03:36 PM on 11/18/2010
i just don't see why you would spend 50k a year to study a subjective subject that you could easily teach yourself. Engineering, on the other hand, is impossible to teach yourself.
09:09 AM on 11/15/2010
It would be a travesty and a tragedy to have a MIT without poetry. I recently came across a blog post written by a MIT alum on how MIT's poetry classes helped to shape her into who she is today. It is a worthy read. http://www.everysixminutes.com/2010/10/24/problem-sets-and-poetry-how-mit-made-me-who-i-am-today/
02:49 AM on 11/15/2010
Poetry is indeed a good way to sharpen an individual’s set of communicative skills and develop a creative language that is able to explain the complexity of technical innovations.
However, I have made the experience that many students of engineering and natural sciences feel embarrassed to take a poetry class. This may have different reasons: Some do not enjoy remembering their literature classes at High School, some are afraid that they may have to open up too much in a poetry class.
To take the edge off, I have therefore integrated creative literary approaches into our overall body of communication classes. I teach communication at a technical university. Whenever appropriate, I introduce the students to more “literary” or creative means, i.e. free or associative writing, word field exercises, looking for metaphors to describe their visual models, etc. Sometimes we even end up writing a poem or summarize complex texts as tweets. I admit that this is a pretty humble and pragmatic approach in comparison to offering a true poetry class; but when I see that the students’ playfully raise their linguistic capabilities I have reached my aim.
whitebeach
Hey, buddy, can you spare a micro-bio?
04:49 PM on 11/14/2010
If nothing else, scientists and engineers need to be familiar with poetry and literature in general in order to come up with good names for the stuff they discover, like "quarks" from James Joyce's "Finnegans Wake" (OK, not a poem, but certainly not the latest James Patterson hackery either).
03:51 PM on 11/14/2010
MIT students are allowed to take Harvard classes for credit. I'm sure Harvard offers many poetry classes.
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03:02 PM on 11/15/2010
Exactly what I thought :-)
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rikster
buy the ticket-take the ride
03:23 PM on 11/14/2010
they already teach poetry.. its in a mathematical language....