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John McQuaid

Posted: June 8, 2010 09:32 AM

The Real Helen Thomas Scandal

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Last week, Israeli commandos boarded a relief ship attempting to break the blockade of the Gaza Strip and, during a clash with pro-Palestinian activists, shot nine people to death. It was an old-fashioned, bona fide "international incident," a fiasco that raised alarming questions about the current trajectory of Israel's security, the wisdom of its government, as well as the fate of Obama's Middle East policies and U.S. security in general.

Within a few days, though, the Washington media's "Israel narrative" abandoned those questions and focused instead on the ugly words and sudden retirement of cranky 89-year-old White House correspondent Helen Thomas. Somehow, the debate shifted from Israel behaving badly to Helen Thomas behaving badly.

I'm not going to defend Thomas -- what she said was deeply offensive. But in the overall scheme of things, it was a trivial incident, and DC's sudden obsession with it -- to the exclusion of a lot of other, more important things -- is especially ironic given the parlous state of the Israeli situation.

The Washington media universe may not have set a new speed record here for spinning itself, Tasmanian devil-style, from grave and difficult to trivial and ironic. (That seems, after all, to be what it does nearly every hour of every day.) But it did set a kind of distance record for leaping the moral gulf between important, complex issues and easy, knee-jerk ones.

If you withhold judgment for just a moment on Israel and the Palestinians, all you see are difficult issues, stark moral choices, no-win scenarios. The appalling economic conditions in Gaza, the awful paradox of a democratically-elected Hamas, the unintended consequences of Israel's unyielding military and diplomatic posture, the blowup with Turkey, potential impacts for terrorist recruitment, Iran, ad infinitum. But American politicians flee from these issues. Instead they fell over one another defending Israel for doing something indefensible. (Yes, of course the blockade-running is a provocation. But if you're smart, you don't kill provocateurs.)

The media and punditocracy follow the politicians. And pretty soon you've got Liz Cheney denouncing Turkey -- our ally -- for all but countenancing the destruction of Israel. Add Helen Thomas into this combustible mix, and a serious engagement with these issues (never a likelihood, but still) becomes impossible.

There are two problems here: The default media posture for hard issues is he-said-she-said, and when you try that with the Middle East all you get is people hurling accusations back and forth. That might work for cable chat shows, but not for understanding what's really going on in the Middle East. Worse, few in the media are smart or brave enough to weigh these issues. If they were, we might get more pushback on the vacuous political debate on Israel here in the United States. For instance, read Peter Beinart's carefully-argued piece on the failure of the American Jewish establishment in the New York Review of Books. Beinart's arguments are alarming. But he is simply too reasonable and nuanced to get much of a hearing in a media that feeds on outrage and is dealing with a situation that is a bottomless BP well of outrage. Reasonable won't cut it when you're arguing with Liz Cheney.

This post first appeared on my True/Slant blog.

 

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Last week, Israeli commandos boarded a relief ship attempting to break the blockade of the Gaza Strip and, during a clash with pro-Palestinian activists, shot nine people to death. It was an old-fashi...
Last week, Israeli commandos boarded a relief ship attempting to break the blockade of the Gaza Strip and, during a clash with pro-Palestinian activists, shot nine people to death. It was an old-fashi...
 
 
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09:45 PM on 06/14/2010
The treatment of Helen Thomas speaks volumes about how her remarks for which she apologized are out of proportion relative to journalists who regularly make racist statements against Arabs or Palestinians. If we don't believe in racism we should have one standard, but the fact is we do not, because it is acceptable racism to say that "Palestinians should go to live in Arab countries," without anyone blinking an eye. Why is that?
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11:34 AM on 06/14/2010
I have an old globe (about 80 year old globe) it said Palestine on the now called Israel. How did that happen?
12:15 AM on 06/13/2010
I don't guess I understand what you mean by "the unintended consequences of Israel's unyielding military and diplomatic posture?" It seems that mostly, the consequences of Israel's actions are very much intended, at least, by Israel.
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eileenflemingWAWA
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05:25 PM on 06/12/2010
Helen Thomas has taken a lot of heat for daring to address the fact that any Jew without any historical connection to Israel is encouraged to settle-as in colonize-upon legally owned Palestinian land.

I learned about, Aliyah, which means ‘going up,’ during my first of seven trips to Israel and occupied Palestine in June 2005 from an American Jewess who had taken the deal and she informed me:

"I get fifteen hundred shekels or about thirty-six hundred dollars a year in increments to help with my expenses. I can apply for unemployment benefits after seven months, as long as I look for a job. I just completed Ulpan, which was five hundred hours of Hebrew language immersion studies that took five months, five hours a day, for five weeks. I get subsidized rent and just moved out of the Absorption Center Projects. All the new immigrants get room, utilities, and three meals a day for the first five months in Israel. We also receive free medical care and all the doctors here are dedicated. We can go to the university with 100 percent of the tuition paid by the government. College is much cheaper here; it’s about three thousand to four thousand dollars a year. Until I am thirty years old, I can receive up to three years of education for my master’s degree."

"Dear Helen Thomas with a PS to all her 'Colleagues' @

http://wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1755&Itemid=234
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patyash
10:10 PM on 06/12/2010
One more reminder in this forum about the occupation. The Palestinians find themselves occupied as a result of their own attempt to forcefully occupied the Jewish state. They are yet to take responsibility for this action.(I bet you believe they were justify in attacking a sovereign nation) as for the social services that Israel is providing, and you are describing in such details. This is something to be proud of. Over the years Israel absorbed millions of emigrates, and improved the life of millions others, and yes, the life of the Arab citizens too. If you will find 1 Arab family who will be willing to be under Palestinian rule once the Palestinian state is established let me know. I don't mean they have to move anywhere, stay in you own home your own town, just accept the Palestinian law. If the Arab nations spent a fraction of the money and effort on building something positive for the Palestinians instead of attempting to destroy another nation, thing would be a lot different now.
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gregohb
06:53 PM on 06/13/2010
"there you go again" as Reagan use to say ... with the zionist propoganda being passed off as fact. what land in the world is it normal for an entirely foreign group to mass immigrate at 10,000 a month, and terrorize the local people who live there? Thats what happened right after WWII, although it had been happening in slow motion from the 1920's. Foreign governments like the US decided to give half of the Palestinian's land to the Euorpean Jews, much like Yugoslavia giving the west coast of the US to China. And then the Jews were not content with half, and decided to take it all, using massacres of women and children (see Der Yassein), ethnic cleansing, and British weapons. To blame the Palestinians for being the victims, and not being more subservient is offensive to the thruth. Helen is old enough to know what the truth was, and its only offensive to some of us now because we don't know the truth.
11:24 PM on 06/21/2010
Give the seat to NPR

http://www.petitiononline.com/nprfront/petition.html
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Winged Pegasus
02:30 PM on 06/12/2010
Unfortunately, it appears that there are a multitude of incidents such as the Helen Thomas flap where as we are expected to watch the right hand while the left hand conducts the magic and pulls the real rabbit out of the hat.
12:01 AM on 06/12/2010
She said nothing reprehensible or wrong, she stated her opinion; an opinion certainly based on experience. The fact is that the founders of Israel, if they were founding it today, would be considered terrorists. They may have been terrorists that we felt at home with but they founded the State of Israel using terrorism. The United State's blind support of Israel costs it more than is apparent in any way what we gain from it.

I am no liberal, by any means, but have never understood the Right's mindless support of Israel. While I don't think that the Arabs in general stand for much we can support, Israel certainly commits horrendous acts against the peoples of the region. Beyond that, to claim Israel is a democracy is a joke. It is a Jewish State, plain and simple. As one of my friends said in it's defense 'Well they can't allow the Arabs there to vote they'd destroy it'. Interesting defense for denying rights to so many people who rightfully and legally inhabit that land.
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Richard Z. Chesnoff
12:03 PM on 06/12/2010
Mr Fawls, you just fell. The 20% of Israel's population that is Arab not only votes, they have a sizable number of Israeli-Arabs sitting in the Israeli parliament, serving as judges, government officials, Israeli diplomats, etc.
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eileenflemingWAWA
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05:31 PM on 06/12/2010
Out of 120 seats in the Israeli parliament 11 are held by Arab-Israelis.

One of them is Hannen Zoubi, the first woman representative of an Arab party to be elected to the Kennest whom I met in June 2009 and she informed this reporter:

"From 1948 until now, loyalty to Zionism was enforced by policy. With the introduction of the loyalty law, anyone who would say Israel is not a Jewish State and a democracy would be jailed for three years! But we are optimistic for just by suggesting such a law it indicates the crisis that after 60 years we will never forget who we are.

"Loyalty to a state should require obeying the laws but Israel does not take our citizenship seriously. We cannot accept their Zionist dream, we have our dreams. We cannot accept the Zionist vision, we have our vision. I am a citizen of Israel but I am not an Israeli and I am not Jewish. Israel did not give me my identity and Israel cannot be a Jewish state and a democracy...

"Resisting occupation is legitimate and our goal is not one or two states, our goal is to end the occupation. The goal is freedom, equality and justice.''

Excerpted from "It's All About the Children" @

http://wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1307&Itemid=221
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gregohb
07:04 PM on 06/13/2010
Israeli arabs are forced to live in predesignated arab ghettos. Only Jews are able to purchase homes in many areas. Arab areas inside of Israel get less funding for schools and roads etc. They are not allowed to marry fellow Palestinians from any of the occupied areas, but Jews can marry non-Jews from outside of Israel and bring them in.

Its true that while they are 20%, they do have about 9% of the knesset seats - but they are routinely called "traitors" to their faces, and have their rights taken away by the Jewish super majority that can do anything it wants.

A number of Israelis have been heroes in killing terrorists - even that means a Palestinian is driving a tractor erratically, he can be deemed a terrorist and killed on the spot by gun packing Israelis. On the other hand, when a Jewish terrorist boarded a crowded Israeli Arab bus and opened up with an M16 on innocent passagenger, and was eventually overpowered, those people were not heroes. They were prosecuted for murdering the Jewish terrorist.

Its racism so clear and pervasive that its ugly to see. It would be like a white man going into a black bar in the old south, and shooting a dozen people and when they dare to overpower him, they are charged with the crime of daring to touch a white man.

And so it with the flotilla deal as well.
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patyash
09:38 PM on 06/12/2010
Ranting is bad enough, ranting stupidity and showing ignorance is a bit too much.
11:02 AM on 06/14/2010
Ranting? As opposed to sniping? Lol!
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Dunkleberger Karl
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07:31 PM on 06/11/2010
Somebody want to exsplain to me how is israel our "Friend"?we provide Israel aprox 7 billion in aid!And what Do we get in return? Spies, over 100 Spies caught since 1948 from Israel/for the Zionist State!So Anybody What is it We the United States of AmeriKa get From our Relationship with Israel?
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patyash
10:38 PM on 06/12/2010
Pal, the aid to Israel represent 2% of our GDP we can live fine without it. I hope you read some news papers, although I seem to doubt it after reading your post. In todays NY TIMES front page, the president of Afghanistan is negotiating with the TALIBAN behind the back of the US. The reason? not trusting America. Did you shed enough blood for him yet? Did you spend enough money in this hell hole? This are the kind of friend a hateful person like you tend to end up with.
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Dunkleberger Karl
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12:16 AM on 06/13/2010
that 2% means every american kid, can have free dental till they are 30, or 25 and a free laptop, every american Kid, Or we can pay off the debt to china,for patyash, to nasay we can live fine without it, and to call the child of a dachau, survivor a hate full person,makes you one of the greatest symbols of hate,since the IDF, hung A.Eikman !And that taste in your mouth, is your own bial , enjoy!
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Ergon
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01:07 PM on 06/11/2010
Who'd have known this? The President shares the same birthday with Helen Thomas (Aug. 04)http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/04/obama-sings-happy-birthda_0_n_251088.html
and here he is singing Happy Birthday to her on her 89th and giving her cupacakes!
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08:58 AM on 06/11/2010
This has been an interesting exercise for us old-timers who were radical 40 years ago but who are now, by most measures, somewhere to the right of progressive. The Left has always supported the Palestinean cause...despite the lack of Arab support for them. Oh certainly, there was always enough money on the table to buy them guns and explosives, but their Arab brothers kept the Palestineans in camps, refused to assimilate them, and in general treated them like lepers...except for the leadership, who rated Riviera-style villas.
But I digress...
So, the Israelis were occupiers of Palestinean land.
What should occupiers do?
Go home. What else? Commit mass suicide?
So, Helen said to the Israelis,"Go home."
Now those on the Left who supported the Palestineans on moral grounds had a dilemna on their hands - morality or political correctness?
PC wins every time!
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Dunkleberger Karl
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07:50 PM on 06/11/2010
MBsane;So you were once a exstream right winger,and now less than progressive, ?How sad,But Now as Sad as your asseration,That the left always hatted Israel,While the left in AmeriKa protested the mining of Hiphong Harbor in Vietnam, many if not most suported the taking of Jerusalem,and the victories of the IDF over the Uar in 67,and73 !No the left has not always suported the Arab palestineans.And there are no more Christian Palestineans! not since 67!
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gregohb
07:09 PM on 06/13/2010
Why should other poor countries clean up Israel's mess. They sent millions of people to live in refugee camps 61 years ago. Its their responsibility to clean up the mess. Funny how the attitude is totally different when it comes to lost riches of Jews from the 1930's. In that case, they file lawsuits and win billions. But when it comes to the debts they owe, they don't want to pay up.
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patyash
01:30 AM on 06/11/2010
Mr McQuaid.
When Israel pulled out of Gaza the Palestinian Authority were in charge. The plan was to transform Gaza into a Mediterranean heaven. Israel left behind all the businesses, the green houses, irrigation systems Etc... Than came the elections. The Palestinian had 2 choices, Peace negotiation toward a Palestinian state or violent and terror. The Palestinian stunningly voted for terror and violent. I can't even conceive a more reckless and stupid act than this one. Even the Hamas was stun. Once the Palestinian voted for violence the game changed. They can't declare war on Israel and expect Israel to help them. The second issue is the "Democratically Elected Hamas Government". Yes they were elected democratically, but their agenda is terror and violent, and the destruction of Israel. Are you suggesting that Israel just lie down and let the terrorist pursue their aim at will? The Palestinians chose war and war they got. Grown ups have to live with their choices, and they made their choice loud and clear. The Hamas initiated a violent cue and disposed of the Palestinian Authority by force. They murdered their own people in a barbaric and sadistic manner, and I am sure that you are familiar with the details. Is this a "democracy" you are in support of? Further more, their mandate to govern according to Palestinian law run out in January of 2010. They are currently ruling e legally. At the moment the Hamas is not "Democratically Elected Government" It's a dictatorship.
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CraigVale
06:11 PM on 06/11/2010
Patty, you may want to do the 4th grade over again.
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patyash
12:40 AM on 06/13/2010
My initial response to you was just to ignore you, but after reading some other posts of yours it's clear to me that you have nothing to say about the subject. you simply hate Israel.
11:29 PM on 06/11/2010
Read a history book NOT endorsed by Hasbara.
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KDK0590
11:24 PM on 06/10/2010
I'm not in the least offended by Helen Thomas' words. She was asked a question as a private citizen, and had the right to respond as she wished. End of story. And it certainly was not "hate speech" by any standard.
09:54 PM on 06/10/2010
The real scandal is the state of journalism in this country. She should have retired 10 years ago, but she offen has been the only person in the room with a set of balls. There is no Palistine unless one is going to be created and all cost should be born by England and France who organized this mess in the first place. Palistine never existed, the people are arabs that speak arabic. Thereis no Palistine language or history using the word Palistine. Palistine is a Roman term. Do a little research.
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11:28 PM on 06/10/2010
If you weren't such a Philistine, you might have done a little research yourself and found that the name Palestine comes from Latin word for the Philistines. Philistines were people with their own language and culture who predated the Jews in part of what is now Israel. If I remember, correctly, Abraham had a run-in with a Philistine king named Abimelech when he was immigrating to Canaan. Philistine rule eventually subsided as Israel gained power. And since it's the winners who get to write history, you won't hear much about the Philistines anymore, except as a disparaging term for someone who is uncultured or uninformed.
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patyash
11:48 PM on 06/10/2010
Few corrections my friend. This is a religious conflict between Islam and Jews. If you know about Abraham than you know that Judaism started about 4500 years ago. Islam? 1600 years ago. Jerusalem was established as a Jewish capital 3000 years ago by king David. You are suggesting that the Jews are the winners? after 2000 years of persecution? are you kidding me?
11:34 PM on 06/11/2010
Yes, Palestine has been around since before the Romans. You are correct in this. At LEAST a millenium.

There is a TON of Palestinians history. The country is found on all the maps prior to '48. Please read a REAL history book.

As for there being "no Palestinian language".... it may have escaped your attention that the US speaks an IMPORTED language. There IS no "American language," which is why we call the language that we speak "English." You can cite that we have our own dialects of same. However the Arabs also have dialects of Arabic. Most Arabs understand Egyptian Arabic, because of the TV shows.
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patyash
07:44 PM on 06/10/2010
All of you good people who show such concern when Palestinians are killed by Israeli forces. Do you show the same concern toward other victims? So many Palestinians are killed by their own people. Do you care? Does the media even reporting it? I don't think so. Most of you don't know and don't care about other human being, they gets murdered every day, but who cares? Right? Don't delude yourselves your passion is selective.
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09:46 PM on 06/10/2010
How the hell do you know?
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patyash
11:30 PM on 06/10/2010
Lets see how much you know. How many Palestinian got killed in 43 years of conflict? How many civilians the american army killed in Iraq and Afghanistan in 8 years? How much ink did you spend over the hundreds of thousand civilian killed by the american army? Oh, by the way the number of Palestinian killed in 43 years, 7000. look at yourself in the mirror and quit dealing with Israel. You have much work to do in you own home.
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CraigVale
06:17 PM on 06/11/2010
" Your passion is selective"
as is your viewpoint of the conflict ?
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patyash
06:52 PM on 06/11/2010
Hard to face the truth pal?
06:27 PM on 06/10/2010
Whatever your stance is on the Israeli/Palestinian issue, there is no excuse for Israel not releasing ALL the security/journalist videos that they took. Also since it happened in International waters on a Turkish ship, Israel should be the last one with the right to investigate. Either the UN or Turkey should investigate.
09:36 PM on 06/10/2010
how about Turkey and Israel. Why should the UN be involved. Turkey might hate Israel, but at least they can be a little impartial. The UN lacks any degree of being impartial when it comes to Israel.
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09:47 PM on 06/10/2010
Methinks it is YOU who lacks impartiality "when it comes to Israel".
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Acharn
10:46 PM on 06/10/2010
"Turkey might hate Israel..." Are you saying you think they DO? Because Turkey has been a good ally to Israel for many years.
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patyash
06:22 PM on 06/11/2010
Yes, Turkey must investigate, it's own action not Israel's. Turkey is moving away from the west and joining radicals, like Iran and Hamas. This Flotilla case is a farce. It was a set up by Turkey. Right now Israel is under fire, but that will change soon. Turkey will have to answer to the NATO members how is it that militant who are connected to terrorism were on the ship? There are plenty of hard deviance being collected by the Israeli security along with other nation's security services. Underneath all the media hysteria there is the serious business of fighting global terrorism, and Turkey just placed itself on the wrong side of history.
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CraigVale
09:28 PM on 06/11/2010
What about an independent investigation Paty? Israel refuses to cooperate in that. They said they will conduct one fairly themselves. Do you believe that? If you answered yes then, do you think the rest of us believe that? If again you answer yes, I would proffer that you are indeed dillusional and beyond help.
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gregohb
07:23 PM on 06/13/2010
In this entire world of 200+ nations, we can not find one or two that are honest and impartial to judge Israel's massacre? Only Israel can judge itself? Isn't that like having Al Capone as the only one who can judge the lawfulness of the mafia?
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bigbubba90210
06:15 PM on 06/10/2010
And for those who are gleeful that Helen Thomas is retiring, consider this simple fact: out of all of the White House reporters (technically she was a columnist, I know) she was the ONLY one to push back, to ask hard questions, and to not just go along and get along.

Whatever one might think of Helen Thomas, her retirement is a loss for all of us.