Donnie McClurkin and Perfecting Gays

Posted October 24, 2007 | 07:33 PM (EST)



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Among the great advice my father gave me as a child -- besides never buy tires at full price -- was that the only thing lower than a car dealer is a used car dealer, and car dealers are scum of the earth.

To paraphrase -- the only thing worse than a bigot is a black bigot...

And to take it a step further would be to include a black bigot who drapes himself in the cloth and hates in the name of the Lord.

And, yet, there is Donnie McClurkin who's planning an SRO three day stand with the brother who would be president, Barack Obama.

A lot of folks are calling McClurkin anti gay or a gay hater or a straight out homophobe 'cause he says that he's in a "war" against homosexuality, and homosexuality is a choice and gays can be fixed.

A lot like, I'm sure, Ann Coulter would tell you Jews can be perfected -- and while we're on the subject of the absurd, the Patriots can be beaten because their passing offense really can be stopped.

Anyway...

With Obama coming under fire for including a hate monger in his Compassion and Unity tour, McClurkin shot back at all the anti-hata haters and said that his comments were taken out of context.

A lot like, I'm sure, Bill O'Reilly will tell you his comments are often taken out of context.

McClurkin feeling that gays can be perfected does not come from nowhere. According to McClurkin, as a child he was raped by a male family member, which so affected him, he "became" a gay man for some 20 years before religion helped "straighten" him. I want to stress very, very emphatically that a young person being molested by ANYONE is beyond humorless. It is sick and depraved.

But as far as McClurkin becoming gay as a result, then later having ministry cure him, well...

A lot like, I'm sure, Ted Haggard would tell you a little church can cure you of the need to have your gay masseuse sell you a little meth.

According to a piece in the Chicago Trib, McClurkin now says he is straight and that his ministry is open to those who say they no longer want to live as a gay person. What he doesn't do, he says, is crusade against homosexuality.

And for the record, my house is open to all people who no longer want to be redheads. If you're a redhead, then get the F out! But I'm certainly not crusading against redheads.

And this is the guy Obama's gonna share a stage with?

In an official statement Obama has said that he "strongly disagrees" with Reverend McClurkin's views, yet he still intends to share a stage with him.

But, Barack, you can't say you strongly disagree with the head of the Klan, then invite him on stage just 'cause he knows his way around a Johnny Cash song (no disrespect to the late Johnny Cash or his family, just the first singer who popped into my head).

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"It's being seen as a racial incident in the Black community."

Well, then, the black community needs to get over themselves.

This is about THEM 50 years ago. Dig?

If someone said, 50 years ago, the following:

(1) the NEGROS ARE TRYING TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN!
(2) that AMERICA IS AT WAR WITH THE NEGRO!
(3) Being a NIGGER is a CURSE!

What would happen? *** You tell me! ***

Today, it's A-OK for Obama to pay a guy who says

(1) the GAYS ARE TRYING TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN!
(2) that AMERICA IS AT WAR WITH THE GAYS!
(3) Being GAY is a CURSE!

????????????????????????????????????????????????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 10/26/2007

If you're going to throw around the racial epithets, you might as well go all out, and spread that homophobe's verbal manure around the the gay community as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 10/26/2007

Rule Of Law (See profile | I'm a fan of Rule Of Law)
Have I attacked you?

No.

Have I pointed to what anyone reading Ridley's post could see--that he wraps Obama, who is his main target here, in a tissue of guilt by association, invoking the names of some of the most repellent right wing fanatics including the Klan?

Yes.

If it offends you, you have my sincerest apologies. But it is what it is.
Reply | Parent | posted 12:54 am on 10/26/2007
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Wraps Obama in a tissue of guilt by association? Come on, Obama is sharing the stage with a bigot; END OF STORY! Now THAT is what it is.
Think about it...
And for the record, Hillary has her fair share of "undesirables" working for her campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 10/26/2007

He's not sharing a stage, to my knowledge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 10/26/2007

Man, you've really got it in for Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 10/26/2007

About McClurkin (sp) - I cannot believe that Barak Obama would allow to represent him anyone whatsoever who had any discriminatory positions on anything. There is no acceptable context within which a homophobe who also espouses one can become UN-gay by sheer will and help from God. And I'm not even gay. Zero tolerance of all forms of anti-discrimination was supposed to be one of Obama's trademarks. It isn't good enough to just get another black man on board to balance out McClurkin. If Obama can't resist acquiescing to a minority or special-interest stance about this - he won't be any different as president. If he doesn't unilaterally dump McClurkin 100%, I will not contribute another penny to nor vote for Obama. I had so much hope for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 AM on 10/26/2007

I work with survivors of child sexual abuse. And there is indeed women and men who become gay because of the earlier trauma that endured. Women develop severe trust issues with men and some men identify with their sexual abuser and think that sex with men is ok, because that is how they were introduced to it and that is all they know. Sex crimes are not only harmful to a person's physical body but for children especially, these crimes can cause many serious mental health issues. So gays can try to convince the populace that all gays are born that way. That is not the truth, most are but then there are the Anne Heche's of the world that prove otherwise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 AM on 10/26/2007

Your opinion is not scietific research. No one knows what causes it for sure but why does it matter really? The Freedom to choose or naturally be gay is equally important.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 10/26/2007

One more time...

The short version.

Ridley uses the same sort of Rovian, guilt by association, straw man logic to tar Obama with the Coulter, Haggard and O'reilly brush.

Yet he posits himself as a centrist.

Last time I looked, telling it like it is, without conflating your subject with everyone but Hitler, was called telling the truth, and neither the right or the left has sole claim to it.

But these twisted and strained sophistic gymnastics only serve to cloud the facts and dishonor the writer.

Now--for the third time...posting, or is it only allowed if you play by your rules and bat the gay/race/hating topic back and forth?

Oh, and a shout out to JimR who taught me to hardcopy in word any of my posts. Thanks Jim

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 10/25/2007

Since when has there ever been a Coulter, Haggard, O'reilly brush? I've heard of the Coulter, Limbaugh, O'reilly brush, but Haggard? Did you think no one would notice your sophistic tactic? amateur.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 10/26/2007

Well, it looks like that particular brush was created just for this article by Ridley, as he is the one who made the comparisons.

Looking at your profile it appears you were born on the 24th when the first of these "articles" hit the blogs. And you have invested more time in responses than just about any other poster.

So I'll be blunt--I don't really give a rats whisker for Ridley, Obama, McClurkin, lapel pins, or any other of this drama that is created and spoon fed to the masses like Fox News or reality tv.

What concerns me is losing this country, and unthinking individuals like yourself who salivate like a Pavlovian dog over these sorts of diversions allowing the real attack on us to continue unquestioned.

When you learn to think for yourself and stop being a tool, then maybe you'll have something worth saying.

And PS--The quickness with which so many of you begin to insult others only betrays the weakness of your arguments and your character.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 10/26/2007

I find I get "moderated" less often if I confine myself to sarcastic sniping and avoid trying to make substantive points.

In your case, however, I'm going to risk it - briefly: You offer subjective value judgments without either facts or demonstrated logic to support it. You use the same accusatory tactics you decry - on the level of "when did you stop beating your wife".

You dishonor yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 10/26/2007

Have I attacked you?

No.

Have I pointed to what anyone reading Ridley's post could see--that he wraps Obama, who is his main target here, in a tissue of guilt by association, invoking the names of some of the most repellent right wing fanatics including the Klan?

Yes.

If it offends you, you have my sincerest apologies. But it is what it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 10/26/2007

You have attacked Ridley and his observations, which I happen to agree with, in scurrilous and personal terms. The conclusions you claim are obvious are so only by inferring motives neither implied nor stated. Ridley's critique was of Obama's campaign tactics, which raise questions of the sincerity of Obama's repudiation of McClurkin's views and him personally, contrasted with his allowing McClurkin to represent him in attracting black voters to an Obama rally.

If you have substantive comments or analysis, make them.

"The enemy of my friend..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 10/26/2007

'Leave Ann Coulter ALONE! You're lucky she even wrote a book for you bastards!! She hasn't written anything intelligible in YEARS!! She mis-spoke for Pete's sakes... she meant to say, "If Republicans could be perfected, they would be Democrats." She is a complex woman! She got it all twisted up in her brain... She should have worked on it in her head -- where there is plenty of room to work...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 10/25/2007

Ridley your argument is weak. There are some people male and female, that have been molested as children and have chosen a gay lifestyle. they are not truly gay. what happened them had an impact on their life and influenced their sexuality. some people are not comfortable with being gay and want to have a sexual relationship with a member of the opposite sex. why can't all you name callers, and hate mongers understand this concept? People can choose their sexuality, change their mind about their sexuality and influence others to do the same. It is not against the law. Live and let live. it does not make you an evil person, if you decide you do not want to be gay, and encourage others to do so as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 10/25/2007

Disgusted: DM is in a war on gays. Quit trying to whitewash the facts. Have sex with any consenting adult you choose, fine. Just don't discriminate against gays who do the same. And ...for pols: don't appear with unrepentent discriminaters.
PS Nobody knows what truly gay is. And anybody can be dysfuntional or limited or unfullfilled or make poor sex decisions but what does that have to do with promoting a freako homophobe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 10/26/2007

Besides spreading lies about a choice as you do, it might have something to do with comparing GLBT people to murderers and declaring war against us. You got it, this is war, we want our country back:

McClurkin quotes:

** "Everybody is going to the same hell. The religious hypocrite will go to the same hell as the murderer and homosexual. My job is to say that sin is wrong and kill the sin, not the sinner." (The Voice, 16 July 2001)

** Commenting on New York City's Harvey Milk School, which caters to gay students, he said, "The gloves are off. And if there's going to be a war, there's going to be a war. But it will be a war with a purpose." (CBN, 700 Club Sept. 23, 2003)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 AM on 10/26/2007

When a homosexual changes his homosexual activity to heterosexual activity, that is what he is doing. He is having heterosexual activity. When a person is molested (a crime) as a child, then says that motivated him to become a homosexual is very much like saying I was robbed or mugged (crimes) as a child so, that made me a robber and a mugger for life, until I found God. No, you found God (wonderful). If you inherently feel that you need to rob and mug or you get pleasure out that but your faith in God stops you, that is fine. Many young people were molested (heterosexually) as a child and then they went on to have heterosexual lives anyway. I wonder why? Maybe is because their in no fear put in by society for that.

Many true homosexuals never commit a homosexual act for fear of the retribution of society. so, they lead quiet lives of desperation married to someone, who at best is being deceived. The person most being deceived is the person who believes that society should dictate to him how he feels inside.

I feel sorry for Mcclurtin, but I admire how is publicly professed morality has been parsed into a position of great wealth. I don't feel sorry for Obama, I am proud that he is trying to figure out how to win, and that would help us all

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 AM on 10/26/2007

That would be President Hillary Clinton in January 2009, not 2008, although this kind of backbiting among Obama supporters continues, we might as well start calling her President asap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 10/25/2007

Calling a man whose religion opposes homosexual acts the moral equivalent of Hitler and anyone who associates with him a bigot is so intolerant in itself I'm at a loss as to how to bring reason to this thread. You've got Obama over a barrel. Keep him there and you'll have President Hillary Clinton to kick around come January 2008. Then you can call her names for being polite to, say, the Pope. Sigh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 10/25/2007

If it were only so simple. Sigh.

"bring reason to this thread"? Oh, come on, condescend to try.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 10/25/2007

It's very simple:

The Democratic Party is the Party of inclusion, freedom, and the great liberal values that built this country. The Republican Party is the Party of bigotry, stolen wealth, hatred and war.

I speak for about 759 people on my (inter)national circuit. We, and the exponentially large and expanding group of Obama naysayers, now must look elsewhere for a candidate.

While disappointed, we cannot, in good conscience, vote for someone who betrays our goodwill, values, and civil rights. Period.

What next, Don't Ask, Don't Tell?? Bill disappointed us greatly, and we won't be fooled again. Dang! We almost had a great candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 10/25/2007

Remember Imus? This is what Obama had to say about his remarks:

"I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3031317

I guess 'nobody on my staff who would still be working for me', or lets logically extend it to: 'nobody I'd happily invite to one of my political events' only applies if you're a RACIST bigot. If you're a homophobe, well Obama would be glad to have you come sing for him. Yeah, he's a hypocrite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 10/25/2007

It's very simple:

The Democratic Party is the Party of inclusion, freedom, and the great liberal values that built this country. The Republican Party is the Party of bigotry, stolen wealth, hatred and war.

I speak for about 759 people on my (inter)national circuit. We, and the exponentially large and expanding group of Obama naysayers, now must look elsewhere for a candidate.

While disappointed, we cannot, in good conscience, vote for someone who betrays our goodwill, values, and civil rights. Period.

What next, Don't Ask, Don't Tell?? Bill disappointed us greatly, and we won't be fooled again. Dang! We almost had a great candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 10/25/2007


got to be realistic about politics. Not every association is going to be kosher in every way. its good to scrutinize. but bad to over do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 10/25/2007

Yep, you got to be realistic, and realistically Obama has now blown it totally. End of story. Sorry, I am now waiting for Obama's country-and-western series of concerts so inclusive the they feature the KKK Grand Dragon singing the national anthem.

Game over. Obama loses. And I am very sorry about that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 10/25/2007

Senator Obama you have to choose who you want p*ssed off at you, "ex"-gay ministers who number in the dozens, or LGBT community which numbers in the millions, you are going to DEFINITELY p*ss off one of us, (and let me clue you into a little known fact about MY (queer) community, we hold a grudge and are some of the most vindictive and angriest folks (during this administration,) you'll ever cross.)
Your choice, Barrack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 10/25/2007

Say what you will about Mrs. Clinton having an "overly careful" strategy for her campaign, but if it succeeds in preventing her from having a clearly anti-gay (and probably psychologically confused) "ally" with her up on the stage, then more power to it. I'm not "anti-Obama", but this gaffe, to me, speaks volumes about how his so-lauded "inexperience"/"outsider" statue is actually a HUGE detriment to him, and therefore, us. Can we Americans actually vote someone in who has tons of exerience in the Public Realm for once??? Look at what the last 8 years of Mr. Kindergarten in White House have brought us!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 10/25/2007

Here's a press release from the Clinton campaign, in which the Rev. Harold Mayberry endorses her:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=2857

Here's Rev. Mayberry's views on homosexuality:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/03/14/MNGJB5KB9N1.DTL&type=printable

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 10/25/2007

Wow, Mayberry gets around, he just campaigned for Obama this weekend in Vegas. So now Obama has TWO bigots campaigning for him.... he one-up'd Hillary.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/10/24/with_friends_like_these_obama.html?hpid=news-col-blog

It was a valliant effort on your part though, trying to distract from Obama's hideous mistake by screaming "CLINTON DID IT TOO!!" Where have we seen THAT tactic before.... (GOP strategists working for Obama now?)..

You can't help who endorses you, unless you think Obama ASKED for Mayberry to stump for him this weekend, but you CAN control who you invite to an event. Obama is a hypocrite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 10/25/2007

Hillary = Lieberman with a fake laugh.

Her aye vote for Kyl/Lieberman killed her campaign the INSTANT Cheney attacks Iran using Kyle/Lieberman using that Sense of the Senate as justification.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 10/25/2007

If you're gay and sick of being thrown under the bus, call the Obama campaign and tell him to dump McClurken. If he were do this, it would be national news and it would send a powerful message to all Democratic politicians that we're fed up with sympathetic words and want action.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 10/25/2007

Who do I call if I'm sick of bus analogies?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 10/25/2007

What's even better..I'm tired of wasting perfectly good buses..LOL..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 AM on 10/26/2007

Yeah. I hesitated. It's getting old.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 10/25/2007

Let's agree to start 'pushed over a cliff.'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 AM on 10/26/2007

...and as for Obama: "You can't have it both ways. And no snickering about the limitations of human logic. Amend the dilemna!" (memorized but unknown by me).

McClurkin, my ass!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 10/25/2007

Is McClurken a good singer? Mahler and Mel Gibson may both be anti-semites, they both are talented in their own realm. I could appreciate Mr. McClurken for his talent as well. The difference here is this isn't just about his singing. The inclusion in a political arena makes his appearance political. It seems Mr. Obama has done about as much as can be expected to mitigate the situation. I will defend what he's done as just about the best that can be done in this instance. I won't vote for Obama (unless he's the candidate for the Democrats) because he does not support equal civil rights for gays. Separate but equal is not equal.