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John Rogers

Posted: February 12, 2011 02:07 PM

Six months ago, the Los Angeles Times published a series of articles on teacher effectiveness that relied upon economist Richard Buddin's study of the impact of elementary school teachers on their student test scores. Using seven years of data from the Los Angeles Unified School District, Buddin's analysis looked at how much students' test scores in math and English language arts improved while they were enrolled in particular teachers' classrooms. That change is sometimes referred to as the "value added" by the teacher. The Times decided that Buddin's study was sufficiently valid and reliable that it published a website identifying about 6,000 individual teachers by name on a five-point scale, from "least effective" to "most effective."

At the time, many social scientists raised concerns about the methodology adopted by the Times. They worried, among other things, that the newspaper did not account for all of the factors that lead to higher or lower test scores and that this failure meant that the Times' teacher rankings could not be trusted. But we didn't know for sure, as no one had conducted an independent analysis of the same data used by the Times. Until now. The National Education Policy Center at the University of Colorado has just released a reanalysis of the data. And its conclusions stand in stark contrast to those drawn in the Times reporting.

The goal of the Colorado researchers was to see if they could replicate Buddin's analysis and to test some of the assumptions behind it. They concluded that both the Buddin study and the uses to which the Times had put it were seriously flawed. Yet, on Feb. 7, 2011, the Times published an article written by Jason Felch, one of the authors of the original story with the headline, "Conclusions on Teachers Confirmed." The headline is consistent with Felch's story. Both mischaracterize the facts.

The assertion that the Colorado report confirms that the Times' analysis is based on the finding in both studies that teacher effectiveness varies across teachers. That is, students of some teachers showed more improvement on standardized tests than students of other teachers. The Times' claim is akin to finding agreement between two medical diagnostic procedures because both suggest that some people are healthier than others, even though the diagnostics disagree on who's healthy and who isn't. The Colorado researchers concluded that the Los Angeles Times' method does not reliably identify the teachers who add value to student test scores.

Here are a few of the facts reported in the study but studiously ignored by the Times:

First, the University of Colorado researchers conclude that Buddin's analysis must have left out some important variables that explain the relationship between teachers and their students' test scores. They reach this conclusion because with the variables and methods Buddin used, student test scores are influenced by teachers the students have yet to meet. A statistical model that predicts such impossible results is generally suspect. It gives strong indication that other important variables correlated with student achievement have been omitted and that these variables also influence how students are assigned to teachers in schools.

Second, the Colorado researchers conclude that when one does include those variables (like differences between schools), the rankings the Times used change dramatically, such that about half of the teachers would be assigned a different "effectiveness" rating.

Third, the Colorado researchers find that ratings are subject to significant random error, such that about half of the teachers in the full database cannot be distinguished from "average."

Finally, they contradict the conclusion by Buddin that teacher experience or credentialing do not matter to student achievement, finding instead that inexperienced teachers have significantly less positive impact on student test scores, particularly in reading.

Evaluating teacher effectiveness is a complicated matter, in which changes in test scores in math and English Language Arts may play some appropriate role. There are significant areas of disagreement among experts, policymakers and practitioners, and many opinions about how to proceed. Accordingly, we're all entitled to our own opinion. But not our own facts.

 

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Six months ago, the Los Angeles Times published a series of articles on teacher effectiveness that relied upon economist Richard Buddin's study of the impact of elementary school teachers on their stu...
Six months ago, the Los Angeles Times published a series of articles on teacher effectiveness that relied upon economist Richard Buddin's study of the impact of elementary school teachers on their stu...
 
 
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Amy Rollins
11:44 AM on 02/17/2011
The other variables not taken into consideration when using these types of tests to evaluate teachers:

1-Loopholes. For instance, in my state, the most unfair one is the one where the special ed kid can't go to my school (we don't have his/her program), so they're bussed to School B down the street. We never, ever see that kid, and School B is totally responsible for how s/he is taught. Yet at the end of the year, whatever that kid scores on the test is counted for or against my school. Make sense? Neither does the law.

2-Children see and learn from a variety of different teachers throughout their educational careers. This can be detrimental (if they get a bad one), but sometimes it's simply a matter of...how Teacher A teaches isn't how Teacher B teaches. This is neither bad nor good. I may learn great from Teacher A, you may not. You may learn great from Teacher B, I may not. But we'll both learn, and whatever Teacher B didn't give me, I'll get from Teacher A on down the road. This is true for private, public, charter schools and continues all the way through graduate school (if a student goes that far); it is a fact of becoming and educated person.

My brain doesn't work in ways to figure out how to measure this to find out who's effective, who's not. But I do know a standardized test isn't the way. That's elementary.
08:46 AM on 02/16/2011
Apart from the valid analysis of the original data by the University of Colorado researchers, the soundness of the (implied) premise upon which the study was conducted, that a student’s test score represents how much a student has learned is questionable. That is it seems that the operational definition of effectiveness of teaching is equated to students’ test scores. Thus the premise upon which the study is built is suspect making the study itself—irrespective of the analysis—rather suspect.

More to the point: Are we concerned about a teacher’s effectiveness in producing higher student test scores or a teacher’s effectiveness in providing a learning experience whereby students come away with an enhanced desire and an improved ability to learn at a higher level?
11:39 AM on 02/15/2011
The only way for a study of this kind to be valid, is to test students A, B, and C after a year with teacher Q, then erase the memories of those students, reverse time to the date and context in their lives they started with teacher Q, reconstruct the teacher's context of all the work-related variables that influence a professional performance, and then test the students A, B, and C after an exactly duplicated year with teacher R.

Great teachers CAN be overshadowed by cr@p management, apathetic parents, socio-economic pressures, and culture-based investment in learning.

A "great" teacher on one side of the tracks would completely FAIL if teaching on the other side of the tracks.

Districts in tough neighborhoods are in constant need of teachers. There was a time in the 90s, one near us took teachers on "emergency credential" status - they hadn't even finished their credential. These unqualified teachers were teaching in this rough district, in which pay and spending was directly tied to real estate taxes, which means basement pay and spending. Once these teachers got their full credential they didn't bat an eye at skipping off across town to make an instant increase of $10k per year (who'd blame them), leaving a continuous vacuum sucking sound in the poor district. At one point, in one school in the poor district, the SENIOR teaching in the entire school had only been teaching for six years. Is any of this in any study?
12:52 AM on 02/15/2011
The only statistical correlation I've ever seen , between low scoring students and high scoring students, is the social-economic difference between them. Give every low scoring student's family a $90,000 stipend and ,according to statistics, in a five year period,you should see, with exceptions, a steep increase in the scores of the previously low scoring students.
05:55 PM on 02/14/2011
It is actually very easy to evaluate teachers. Ask their students.
08:16 PM on 02/14/2011
That's a very unreliable method of evaluating teachers. Many times they evaluate a teacher based on whether they like them, not on how much they learned.
08:49 PM on 02/14/2011
It's this kind of "children can't be trusted" attitude that leads to so much of what is really wrong with public education. Yes, some kids will sacrifice truth for the personal satisfaction of slamming someone who ticked them off in some way, but the vast majority know and can identify the teachers who care about their subjects and students, and who have enough faith in them to maintain high expectations. Several times a year, I solicit feedback from my students. I've learned more about being a good teacher from them than any evaluation I ever had.
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sushai
09:35 PM on 02/14/2011
Kids tend to like teachers who are easy graders. That would mean the teachers with the highest standards would be "voted off."
05:40 PM on 02/14/2011
1. Evaluating teachers is difficult and complicated
2. Tests lack content validity and reliability

All of the above are arguments that have been made for three decades. I got news for all ... there has since been much research done over that time period which now makes it possible to evaluate teachers and administer effective tests. Is it perfect? Probably not. Is it better than the status quo? Perhaps the real question is why would anyone want to keep the status quo?
10:05 PM on 02/15/2011
I don't think very many people want to keep the status quo. But it's likely that keeping the status quo would be better than evaluating teachers on student test scores, which the decades of research you mention has pretty definitively said depend much more on students' home environments than they do on teacher quality.
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SaveWillowpark
12:18 PM on 02/14/2011
Schools are over crowded. Teachers are underpaid and stretched too thin. Children are neglected with both parents working in most cases and child care workers garnering a GED if you are lucky. (despite the fact that a second job in many cases doesn't even help a family economically once you tally up the costs of working, the second car, insurance and gas for the second car, clothing and childcare) Kids spend there time playing games, eating food that is not nourishing their brains and most are obese and suffering from chronic diseases not seen in earlier decades until the 20's or 30's. (diagnosed or not they still effect learning and energy/motivation) Teachers blame parents, parents blame teachers, students blame both and do not have personal work ethic. (school is their job after all) Meanwhile, we are messaging them that something is wrong with them while we argue about the cause for declining test scores. Whoever internalizes the message be it the teacher or the student, it is bad for the moral of the classroom. I don't know what anyone expects. Just look at what everyone involved is being fed through the TV, the music. Objectification. These kids don't love themselves and right now nearly everyone is struggling just to get by, not exactly a great learning environment when survival needs are not being met. We have a culture problem and have lost track of priorities, that's what is going wrong with education.
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
12:07 PM on 02/14/2011
Evaluating teachers is just too complicated and crazy! There are so very many factors and fairness issues -- we're just not able to figure out a way to assess instructors. Plus, it's insulting! We should just throw up our hands, forget about trying to test teacher effectiveness, and be happy with the status quo.

It is the height of irony that in order to defend their failure, teachers -- led by their unions -- have now taken the bizarre position that testing itself is a flawed procedure and has no place in schools. Even as they are handing the students quizzes, mid-terms and exams -- that they refuse to teach to -- teachers are screaming and howling about how unfair it is to be tested.

Complaints and excuses are not solutions. Fair or not -- this isn't a workers' rights issue about teachers. The failure of our schools is a civil rights issue about students.
12:35 PM on 02/14/2011
Really? You don't think our schools might be failing because of the abundance of social problems created by irresponsible parents?
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
01:04 PM on 02/14/2011
I think we have the abundance of social problems because our schools have failed.

In many urban communities, the dropout rate is near 50%. We can't even keep the children in school . . . let alone teach them to read, write and balance a check book.
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Caleb Owens
04:41 PM on 02/14/2011
I've never heard a single teacher that was against testing. You're misunderstanding the difference between classroom testing and common/standardized testing. Teachers give tests all the time, on the material that is covered in class. Standardized tests cost a TON of money to create and grade, take out time that could be used for more instruction (about 5-10 school days/years), and stagnate the classroom instruction because teachers must be sure to cover every element of the standardized tests, disallowing for any type of creativity or critical thinking beyond what is specifically proscribed for testing.
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Caleb Owens
05:13 PM on 02/14/2011
This was in reply to poeticjustice4all's comment above that

"teachers -- led by their unions -- have now taken the bizarre position that testing itself is a flawed procedure and has no place in schools."
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SeptimusDSX
Always question the obvious.
08:46 AM on 02/14/2011
You can draw any kind of conclusion you want in the social sciences based on statistical data. Statistics has its place, but to trumpet a theory as the gospel truth will not work. Were there any drawbacks and experimental limitations mentioned in the original series of articles?
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researcher
11:53 PM on 02/13/2011
believe no research without full investigation and social research is even more suspect.

especially with a culture of individualism and a culture with a of lack of understanding of the systems influence on human behavior.

if statistics are used be very suspect. I have worked with some of the so called best in value added and statistics and some are out and out liars to prove their points, some fudge the data and consider it harmless, and with most the paradigm effect overrides their findings, and some really care but fail to understand the influence of all the variables and they think they can account for these random variables with thier plugged in numbers. usually they find these numbers and plug in these numbers from you know where. :-)

this nation has little understanding of a system's influence on human behavior, if they did they would be able to see that our profits over people economic system we call capitalism is having a profound negative impact on the american culture.

if anyone wants to take the time to check my past comments about this study it will reveal that I stated it would prove to be flawed for the very reasons named here. 25 years of organizational consulting and statistics taught me that.

when researchers show up at your school know they have an agenda and a very strong paradigm effect working on their beliefs.
03:35 PM on 02/13/2011
This is really quite simple to do at the high school level. If the teacher has about 5 students per class who are at or above grade level and are understanding the material fairly easily then the teacher is probably doing a fine job. The other kids need to get their s*** together by paying attention in class, studying, and developing better work habits (you know, the kind where you work before you play).
04:04 AM on 02/14/2011
No. Some students are always going to get it, regardless of a good or bad teacher. This is why even in the lowest performing classes there are still some students performing at grade level.
So if 5 students are performing at or above grade level, then it is probably only 2 or 3 students who are doing so as a direct result of the teacher. Teaching 2 or 3 students effectively? Hardly a score to be proud of. This means the teacher is not differentiating material, not catering for multiple learning styles, not meeting the needs of the students.
Granted, there are some students who do not come to class with the right attitude, but assuming that attitudes can't be changed, and that as long as there are a few kids keeping up with your class then you are doing a "fine job" does not make a successful teacher.
08:35 AM on 02/14/2011
I don't give a rat's behind about "differentiated material" or "multiple learning styles." Bunch of hogwash in my opinion. If a student has been taught to value education, behaves and pays attention in class, does his work, and studies then he will do fine (unless there is an actual, diagnosed mental or physical disability). That other stuff is nothing more than a bunch of excuses not to be able to learn. Perhaps that stuff might make it easier for some children to learn, but they are not necessary measures for a healthy, inquisitive child.
11:29 AM on 02/14/2011
As a parent, I love the sound of differentiated instruction. As a former teacher, I am soooo skeptical. High school teachers have over 100 kids a day. Plus, with 1/3 of the kids having IEPs - teachers already are having a tough enough time getting to the kids without special accommodations. But be realistic, a good chunk of kids do need to get their acts together and the parents are not satisfied unless the kids are spoonfed As (I found a lot of IEPs were like that too, even though there was nothing wrong with the kid).
03:34 PM on 02/13/2011
{{{ relied upon economist Richard Buddin's study of the impact of elementary school teachers on their student test scores }}}

That is supposed to mean something? What are those tests testing for? Double-entry accounting is SEVEN HUNDRED YEARS OLD and economists don't say it should be mandatory in our schools. There have been over 200,000,000 cars in the US since 1995. Do our economists talk about how much Americans have lost on the depreciation of all of those machines?

Is the economy of the US and the World in the current state because our economists have FLUNKED THEIR TEST..
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kjg25171
02:52 PM on 02/13/2011
Funny that none of these studies or analysis on teacher effectiveness ever seem to consider a student's input in to her/his learning. If I had a nickel for every time I found a student texting in class I would be a wealthy woman.
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
12:16 PM on 02/14/2011
You're boring them. That's why they're texting and ignoring you. You are boring the students to death.

How about some self-reflection, teacher?

Maybe you could find a way to incorporate texting into your lesson -- since you're obviously aware that it's something the students are interested in. Or how about just dropping the sour attitude?

Stop blaming students for not learning from you, and start figuring out how to teach to them.
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Caleb Owens
04:54 PM on 02/14/2011
Have you ever taught? No, then you're full of it. Pretend all you like, you know nothing about teaching or education.
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sushai
09:40 PM on 02/14/2011
So teens only text when they're bored?
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SaveWillowpark
12:29 PM on 02/14/2011
Put all the phones in a locked drawer until the end of class. Problem solved. When did it get so hard to have standards and enforce those standards?
08:21 PM on 02/14/2011
You can't always do that. In some cases it's against the law. We have a similar problem: students trying to use their phones to cheat during exams. We can't catch all of them (200+ students take each exam), and we want to disrupt the exam as little as possible.

We looked into buying phone killers (devices that make it impossible for people to dial in or out), but were told by admin that they are illegal in the state and cannot be used.

Short of wrapping the entire building in aluminum foil there's not much we can do.
01:51 PM on 02/13/2011
Value added is voodoo science.
The misplace focus on the teacher is a fundamental attribution error.

Teachers are important to the extent that they facilitate a learning environment in which students deeply engage in a conversation about subject matter. However, the school culture, the parenting, and the socio economic climate of the community are all of equal or greater importance to the achievement of the child, which in any case should be measured by test scores, but rather multiple measures that are not numerical.
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blindjester
English and ESL teacher
10:21 PM on 02/13/2011
Good call. I had to look the term up to discover that I completely agree.

I've often wondered why it is that conservatives talk about the immorality of liberals, while overlooking the drug use, crimes and sexual indiscretions of famous conservatives. It seems to me to be another example of the same flawed thinking. Liberals are bad people; conservatives merely make forgivable mistakes.

Rational people recognize they're primarily responsible for their own learning; everybody else, they assume, succeeds or fails entirely according to the teachers' abilities.

F and F.
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carmenalex
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01:50 PM on 02/13/2011
My question is.....if a student has a fabulous teacher, but a rotten abusive home-life where parents are drug addicts, and the child fails a test, because he/she doesn't have a home-life conducive to learning, do you fire the teacher?
06:20 PM on 02/13/2011
Increasingly, the answer is "yes."
11:30 AM on 02/14/2011
Shhh! It's not good politics to admit a parent has some responsibility to adhere to.