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Dan Savage, Bullying and the Truth about Gays and the Bible

Posted: 04/30/2012 11:21 am

As you may already know, there is much controversy swirling around this video of Dan Savage the creator of the It Gets Better Project).


Such headlines as Gay Conservatives Demand Dan Savage Apologize for Anti-Christian Tirade, Christian students walk out as Dan Savage attacks the Bible, Anti-Bully Advocate Dan Savage Bullies High School Kids With Profane Bible Rant, and Rabbi compares Dan Savage's anti-Christian bigotry to Westboro Baptist Church tell the tale.

The controversy is due to Mr. Savage calling bull**** those parts of the Bible that throughout history been used by "Christians" unworthy of the name to justify the Holocaust, condone slavery, oppress women, and victimize gay people.

He was speaking on April 12 to attendees of the National High School Journalism Conference, sponsored by the Journalism Education Association and the National Scholastic Press Association. The four-day conference, featuring over 200 sessions, two keynote speakers (Dan and Jennifer Sizemore), more than a dozen featured speakers, and more events and activities than you can shake a pen at, was titled Journalism on the Edge.

The conference's promo material begins with:

You are already on the Edge. Journalists have always lived on the edge. Deadlines, and the edge of time. Facts, and the edge of truth. Authority, and the edge of free expression. We balance on the edge of legitimate public interest and the interests of those who would rather we not publish.

And there, amongst all this journalistic edginess, was Dan Savage, being edgy.

Just who does this podium-pounding pontificator peddling in people's perplexingly perverse predilections think he is, anyway?

I, for one, have no idea what the world has come to, when a person who has made his career out of speaking, in the most unadorned language possible, directly to great numbers of young people about some of the most important issues in their lives, dares to speak in unadorned language directly to a great number of young people about one of the most important issues in American life today.

Besides the fact that he was raised in a devoutly Catholic home and is the country's leading gay activist, who is Dan Savage to say anything at all about the ages-old Christian condemnation of gay people? So what if his claim is manifestly valid that nothing contributes more to the destruction of the lives of gay people than do Christians falsely and hypocritically using the Bible as an instrument of brutality? So what if he believes that among the most egregious of all Christian sins is daring to proclaim that God's love ends where their own fear and hatred begin? So what if every day, for decades on end, Dan Savage has dealt with young lives obliterated through violence informed and buttressed by the bedrock "Christian" view that gay people are less than human?

So what if any reasonably compassionate person should be expected to vigorously assert that it's time for all Christians to reject using the Bible as a means of justifying the persecution of an entire population whose only "crime" is to prefer to spend their lives with same-sex partners?

Why should any of that matter? What matters is that Dan Savage cursed. He said bull**** not once, but three times.

Three! That's one more than two! Which is two too many!

You know, it's almost like the people who put on this conference, as well as a small but now (thanks, media machine!) significant number of individuals who attended it, don't even know what the word "journalism" means.

Well, thank you, young people who walked out of Dan's speech the moment he began talking about the parts of the Bible to which he takes exception, for reminding us of what beats so passionately in the heart and soul of every true journalist. Speaking as a person who for twelve years made his living as a journalist, I admire your dedication to the journalist's creed: When you personally disagree with something someone is saying, get up and leave.

If that's not what Jesus meant by, "The truth shall set you free," I can't imagine what he did mean.

P.S. What immediately become a meme amongst Dan's critics is that those who walked out of his talk felt bullied by him. But that's impossible. People get bullied because of who they are: how they look and act, what they say and do. Perceived as being in some critical way weak or lacking, victims of bullies are selected for persecution; they are pulled from the pack before being pointedly and repeatedly victimized. The people who walked out during Dan's talk were not separated from their peers by anyone. They were content to do that themselves. They were not frightened or cowed. They were offended. They felt that by disparaging what amounts to their God, Dan had transgressed beyond their capacity for toleration. And they were pleased to show their intolerance of Dan's words by protesting against them in the manner they did. Theirs was not an act born of suffering. It was a proud show of disdain.

 
 
 

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02:07 AM on 05/13/2012
There are so many articles like this from BOTH sides that have the same theme, again and again and again:

Christians hate homosexuals.
Homosexuals hate Christians.
Christians hate homosexuals.
Homosexuals hate Christians.

Round and round. Again and again. Both sides allow the hate to build. Both groups hate each other, and keep making speeches - which the other sides ignores and condemns.

What on earth is the point? These are two groups who will never agree. It just won't happen. Just stop the screaming and carrying on and let it go.

There is more to life than hate.
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gal416
is a Bible verse † † †
04:56 PM on 05/08/2012
People hate the Bible because the words written in it convicts them of their sins and deep down inside they know it's right but their pride and lust won't let them admit it.

Luke 9:41a And Jesus answering said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you, and suffer you?
11:44 AM on 05/08/2012
This coming from a men who wrote and article untitled: "How My Priest Helped Me Come Out" where the advice columnist tells us how a Catholic priest helped his mother come to terms with his homosexuality.
12:55 AM on 05/08/2012
I can never understand why "The [Christian] Bible gets so much attention. Before the printing presses of a few hundred years ago, who read The Bible? No one but monks, if even them. 6,000 years without The Bible, and now we have to weigh on its every word because the printing press was invented? Did Jesus ever say, "Guys, write this down."

Read The Bible for inspiration? Fine. Read The Bible for information? You do so at your own peril.
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Eileen Warren
10:17 AM on 05/07/2012
My ,my, my! Those who walked out will never make it as journalists-not real ones anyway.Fox news could hire them.
12:27 AM on 05/07/2012
Those who call Dan Savage a bully need to look in the mirror. They displace the truth about themselves onto him.
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Warren Harrison
Defending All The Good America Stands For
01:03 AM on 05/05/2012
What we are witnessing with Savage is the role reversal of separation of church and state. Savage is outside the church imposing his views about the Bible upon the general populace. This is ardent disrespect for the statute of the separation of church and state, and Savage is adding fuel to the embers already burning of civil unrest in the country. Savage is the catapult for the great war already raging in this nation between church and state.
02:44 PM on 05/06/2012
Savage isn't an elected official - so, no, his words have nothing to do with church or state separation.
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Warren Harrison
Defending All The Good America Stands For
08:28 PM on 05/09/2012
Sorry. He is a citizen of the state--Yes---Therefore he is in violation of church and state.
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DianaLynn1967
It's a great life if you don't weaken!
01:05 AM on 05/22/2012
Dan Savage does not represent the state. Dan Savage is an individual stating an individual's opinion--something he is entitled to do according to the First Amendment. As for Dan Savage "imposing his views about the Bible upon the general populace," Dan Savage isn't imposing his views on anyone. The students were free to walk out and in fact, did so. Even if they stayed, they were free to disagree with him.
08:21 PM on 05/04/2012
He has some nerve. Calling people names because they don't agree with him. Who's the bully?

Not everyone accepts the gay lifestyle. Get over it.

also, the bible does not condone slavery
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careym46
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11:03 AM on 05/05/2012
you are wrong. read it.
08:45 PM on 05/06/2012
The slavery in the bible encompassed different degrees . Men could sell themselves into slavery to pay a debt. Criminals could be sold into slavery to pay retribution to their victims.
Heathens were slaves for 10 generations. It was believed that they were better off with the Israelites than worshipping pagan gods, often becoming like members of the family.
Mostly the slavery was of a temporary nature. The Israelites were not to mistreat anyone.
Other cultures also owned slaves. It should be taken in context to that period of time
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RiffRaffAmI
Somebody had to say it...
08:25 PM on 05/05/2012
You really ought to read the article or watch the video. He not once called anyone names. He simply used the word Bullsh*t 3 times and pointed out hypocrisies in the Bible. Not once did he call anyone a name nor bully anyone.
And the bible DOES condone slavery, just as it tells women to be subserviant to their husbands...
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Abdul-Halim Vazquez
11:11 PM on 05/03/2012
It's kind of a weird turn. At one point I thought Dan Savage was interesting as an advice columnist whose guidance which was ruthlessly non-judgemental. That's certainly not the case now.
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GhostOfFDR
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09:46 PM on 05/07/2012
It's quite OK to speak out against people who deliberately harm others. In none of Dan Savage's advice columns would have have been non-judgmental regarding rape.
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michelleobamaok
Tampa Crookpalooza 2012!
09:47 PM on 05/03/2012
DAN SAVAGE is a pretty intolerant guy himself. I used to read his advice column a few years ago, and he often came across as strident and closed-minded. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and he is just a newer version of his families actions and beliefs. He may be preaching something a little different from them; but he is cut from the same cloth.

He also used his column and star power to unfairly bully and blame the black community for Prop. 8, when this community doesn't have the numbers to influence Prop. 8 one way or the other.

Being that he is from an intolerant background himself, he used this to avoid the people of his same background (the majority) who use their numbers, power, and privilege to deny him equal rights under the law. He famously "forgot" that there are blacks and other minorities who are gay, and that the people who funded Prop 8 on the ballot is a predominantly white christian group (Mormons/Catholics). He also forgot that most of the law makers are from his own group as well.

It does no good to advocate for your rights, but then revert back to historic type, and become one of "them" again, when it suits you.
TomMartin
Freedom and equality.
09:03 AM on 05/04/2012
He knows there are blacks who voted against Prop. 8, but not very many. Had the black vote been 50% for and 50% against, I think the Prop. 8 would have failed.
And he is not calling for bullying against Christians, just for rejecting the hateful parts of the Bible, like pro-slavery etc. With his experience of anti-gay bullying, he has the right to argue for that viewpoint. Even President Jefferson rejected parts of the Bible, so why can't Dan Savage? It is his right to argue for that viewpoint. But he is not saying we can't tolerate Christians.
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Fenrir Lokison
I luv the sci fi of Evolution and the Big Bang
03:57 PM on 05/04/2012
He was not there to argue a viewpoint.
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fireart
I got mine the hard way.
09:09 PM on 05/04/2012
Hateful parts of the bible like proslavery and ETC. Show you know very little about the New Test. and ETC. Just a mocking bird.
12:20 AM on 05/05/2012
I have no idea what his background is but actually he was right about the black vote on Prop 8.
"The same voters who turned out strongest for Barack Obama also drove a stake through the heart of same-sex marriage. Seven in 10 African Americans who went to the polls voted yes on Proposition 8, the ballot measure overruling a state Supreme Court judgment that legalized same-sex marriage and brought 18,000 gay and lesbian couples to Golden State courthouses in the past six months."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/06/AR2008110603880.html
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michelleobamaok
Tampa Crookpalooza 2012!
07:06 AM on 05/05/2012
WHAT AFRICAN AMERICANS VOTED YES? Are not African Americans also gay? Saying that African Americans, who only made up a pitiful 6% of the population at the time, drove the vote is an insult to anybody who realizes that Whites make up 80% of the population, followed by Hispanics and Asians. Also, which race of people hold congressional positions creating these unjust laws?

Who put funded Prop 8, and put up billboards against gay marriage all across the state of California? Why, a white majority religious group, the Mormons and the Catholic Church? No, Mr. Savage reverted to racist type, as many in the mainstream do when economic times are bad, and there are few jobs to be had: blame the black and the poor.
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Franklin1776
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09:37 PM on 05/03/2012
I'm so happy that we live in a world where there is no suffering and poverty and religious folks can focus on more important issues like homosexuality. Jesus said a lot about the sick and the poor but he never said one word about homosexuals. Maybe it was because he hung out with so many dudes.
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Fenrir Lokison
I luv the sci fi of Evolution and the Big Bang
04:17 PM on 05/04/2012
It is funny how people want to tell the Christians what they should focus on when instead of focusing on things like improving our judicial system, improving our education, and spending money on medical needs, organizations have the time to get angry over a statue of the 10 Commandments in a courthouse. A statue that could just as easily be passed by. A banner to encourage students removed by the cries of a baby. And a foundation wasting money to promote nothing more than the message of "You don't have to believe."

Nice finger pointing. By your account and the actions of the world around us. We are all at blame under your view of how things should be done.
accelerando
my micro-bio is empty
05:28 PM on 05/04/2012
Enough with the 10 Commandments at the courthouse crusade! It started as a movie promo by Cecil B. DeMille. The argument is the ridiculous notion that the 10 commandments influenced our laws, as if pre-Christian England didn't have laws against theft and murder and couldn't have them somehow until they got the Bible. The other bits about the sabbath and adultery and blasphemy came and, mercifully, have gone along with the state church that put them briefly in place as civil issues.
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DianaLynn1967
It's a great life if you don't weaken!
01:26 AM on 05/22/2012
The difference is that atheists do not claim Jesus (or anybody else) as Lord and Savior. What atheists rail against is the hypocrisy of Christians claiming to follow Jesus, while ignoring Jesus's actual teaching in favor of obscure verses of the Bible taken out-of-context to slam people who are causing no harm to anyone, not even themselves.
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Jessie Alex
Take me to your leader!
09:10 PM on 05/03/2012
The way I see it, you just dont like that he's right. Being bullied and offended are two different things. Go Dan!
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ILoveGreatDanes
If you can read this,my cloaking device is broken.
08:54 PM on 05/03/2012
This offensiveness stuff has gone too far. If someone doesn't agree with someone else's lifestyle, or says the Bible forbids it, so what? Ignore the person. The Bible is a work of fiction anyway. And even if a person believes it, it's all subjective, and can be interpreted a thousand different ways. Ultimately, each person has to live the way they feel is best, and not live for others. Sticks and stones, folks. . .
12:01 PM on 06/03/2012
That's fine for adults (maybe), who can mostly stand up for themselves, but gay kids are killing themselves due to bullying in these intolerant communities. Words *CAN* hurt. Anyone who has been bullied knows this. And the words of intolerant adults lead to actual sticks and stones on the part of their warped offspring. Hate begets violence.
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Leanne McKenzie
You can't make this sh*t up.
05:27 PM on 05/03/2012
Had I been a teacher of journalism at that conference, those students would have failed.

If you won't listen to anything that you don't agree with or if your "truth" can't stand one man talking then you have failed completely and have no faith.

The majority of student stayed and the majority understood the lessons.
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RiffRaffAmI
Somebody had to say it...
08:31 PM on 05/05/2012
Bravo! Best post on this story I've read tonight! F & F
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Bob Wood
A.T.C.G...(sigh)
04:04 PM on 05/07/2012
Was there ever a journalist that just didn't listen ? Why do I suspect that Edward R Murrow...or Walter Cronkite listened to lots of stuff they found offensive ? One would think that was just a part of being a...journalist...(sigh)
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BOBinPS
Really?
05:24 PM on 05/03/2012
So the spoiled children were told there is no Santa Clause and they had a meltdown.