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Tell Me, Christian, That You Hear This Boy

Posted: 12/06/11 01:32 PM ET

Evangelical, fundamentalist Christians -- by which I mean, specifically, Christians who believe that being gay is a moral abomination, an appalling affront to God -- talk to me, please, about this kid.

Tell me that your belief system didn't help put the hot tears on this kid's cheeks. Tell me that the bullies who torment this kid aren't in any way encouraged or empowered by your tacit approval of their actions. Tell me that the shame this kid feels about himself has nothing to do with the shame that you believe all gay people should feel for themselves.

Tell me that you can't comprehend the connection between your conviction that God finds homosexuals repulsive and the fact that this kid finds himself so repulsive that he habitually cuts his own flesh.

Tell me, please, how you love this kid. Tell me how you understand his pain. Tell me how when he cries, you cry.

Tell me how you want to do everything in your power to make sure that no one, ever again, feels free to in any way victimize a young, gay person.

A Christian myself, I am pleading with you to be honest with me about this.

Tell me, please, how none of this kid's anguish has anything to do with you.

I'm listening. I really am.

We all are.

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Evangelical, fundamentalist Christians -- by which I mean, specifically, Christians who believe that being gay is a moral abomination, an appalling affront to God -- talk to me, please, about this...
Evangelical, fundamentalist Christians -- by which I mean, specifically, Christians who believe that being gay is a moral abomination, an appalling affront to God -- talk to me, please, about this...
 
 
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ragdolly
Consider the lilies of the field.
10:47 PM on 12/22/2011
Where are this child's parents? Did he grow up in a vacuum? This seems to me to be intended as an an emotional hit on Christians. And an extremely misguided one. First of all, we don't have enough information. Children are bullied for many reasons. Christian children are bullied all the time. Christians do not hate homosexuals. Christ gave us instructions on how to live for our own sake, for our health and safety not to create rules for the sake of rules. I feel awful for this child, because he seems to have no support system, but if you, claiming to be a Christian, want to blame someone then perhaps you should talk to the One you claim to believe in and ask for understanding regarding this subject, and what you can do to help a child in need.
04:12 PM on 12/15/2011
Just because the bible does not condone the gay lifestyle it NEVER says to discriminate or not love anyone who is gay. Just like Jesus did with Zacheus, we are commanded to seek out those who need God first and show them his love, not hurt them because they aren't following Christ like we are. There are so many Christian hypocrites!!! If we just read the bible and sought after God then we would see what his will for us is to those who are hurting, and outcast. We are to REACH out and not turn away!! It pains me to see a brother or sister in Christ make fun of, put down, or bully those who are sinning or outcast! That is the opposite of what God wants!!!!
08:49 PM on 12/16/2011
Seriously, you're missing the point.
08:53 PM on 12/16/2011
Surprisingly, neither does the Bible condemn gays who are in loving relationships.
05:42 PM on 12/19/2011
well it doesn't condemn people who are addicted to internet porn, money laundering, or tax fraud who are in loving relationships either does it? no.... I think YOU are missing the point.
10:21 AM on 12/12/2011
I too am a Christian. I wanted to point out about the cartoon video about a misguided logic that is often taught in our churches these days. When Jesus died on the cross, he began a new covenant with us, his Bride, the Church. The covenant states in Hebrews 8:8-12, "...Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant...not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I tool them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt..For this is the covenant that I will make...I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people...For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more." When we accept Jesus as out Lord and Savior, ALL our sins are forgiven (past, present, and future). We no longer have to operate on our own works to get into Heaven. Gays are NOT going to Hell if they believe in Jesus and have received God's forgiveness and grace that was freely given when Christ was crucified on the cross. Just something I wanted to share.
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Vere15
Vero nihil verious (nothing truer than truth)
10:53 PM on 12/11/2011
As a young born again Christian I was beaten up quite often on the way to and from school. I did nothing to cause confrontation because it was not my nature to do so.

As such, I would remind any fundamentalist (please don't call them evangelical because they just aren't) to consider the bullying that Jesus and his followers all around the world have experienced, and ask them whether the ever watching Jesus could possibly approve of their actions.
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Robbert Bricker
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05:39 PM on 12/14/2011
evangelicals along with fundamentalist are for the most part cut of the same cloth, so to speak. both have dominionist tendencies and aren't fond of the gays.
10:50 PM on 12/11/2011
Someone shared this article asking me to please respond to this. So I am. I am a Biblical Studies and Theology student at Oklahoma Christian University. I'll put that on the line, first and foremost. To this I have to say, that any mature Christian who has read Jesus' teachings for themselves ought to understand without much effort that God does not hate the world. He hates sin and that's because sin destroys us, in all its forms. Even in Old Testament law, there is no law against mercy, love, or grace; in fact even in that time the prime directive of God's people was this, to love one another as we would love ourselves. The teachings of Christ are not responsible for this child's pain just because it calls sin what it is. Jesus did not come to this world to condemn it but to save it (John 3). No Christian is beating this kid up. Only people pretending to be in order to twist the scriptures so that they may justify their hate. Secondly, I am outraged even more, that someone has taken the pain of a young man and used it as a vehicle to forward his own hate all over the internet. The author of this article has a small and inconsiderate mind, that he should squeak his wheels of religious and political angst in a fashion which was more than likely not intended even by Jonah himself. That is a little thing to do.
08:52 PM on 12/16/2011
Really? Your theology is helping to fuel the fire of hatred that this young man is experiencing. Don't blame the messenger - and don't assume it isn't "good Christian" kids who are his tormentors.
10:36 PM on 12/16/2011
Well you, and this ridiculous and biased article shouldn't assume it is. Of course there are people who claim to be Christians and don't do it. Don't tell me that I said the opposite of what I said, and then say what I said back to me. It is amazing how my defense of this boy gets turned by you into the opposite. Neither his story nor the Christian name deserves to be attacked and misused like this. And I am not fueling anything but accountability. It is silly people like you who think that good Christians should never call it like it is, and just sit back in the corner and act all perfect so you can go on and accuse us in peace. You just go have your hateful feelings toward Christianity by yourself. Us reasonable people will continue to expose sin and evil in the world regardless of your petty little feelings.
And my theology? Well, before you go on spouting your ad hominem Nancy Jo why don't you explain to me YOUR theology. If "God loves the world, but he hates sin," is so evil, tell me yours. I've said what I believe, you tell me what you believe. You've already demonstrated that you know nothing about Christianity, which means whatever you are going to say is nothing but your own opinion anyway. So If you can't, then you don't have a right to tell me that my conclusions about God or life are wrong.
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ragdolly
Consider the lilies of the field.
10:13 PM on 12/22/2011
Every instruction that Jesus gave us was given in love to protect us, not to hurt us. and Christianity is not about being "good". 'There is none good, no not one, except God.' Christianity is about faith in Jesus Christ and living and teaching as He taught us to. You ascribe to Christians things that are simply untrue. and don't kid yourself, the bullies in life are those who think that they are better than others. Christians are bullied all the time.
08:23 PM on 12/18/2011
Much of what you say is true, except that homosexuality is NOT a sin. Nowhere in the Bible does it say such a thing.
10:09 PM on 12/18/2011
You're probably going to pull Reverend West on me. The problem with saying that God does not call homosexuality a sin is the fact that He does. Leviticus chapter 19. And her argument says further that it God did not punish Sodom and Gommorah for their sexual deviance, He punished them for being sexually "inhospitable." the problem with saying that is that saying God punished them for rape is that it means while God hates men raping eachother, she has to make it okay in God's eyes to rape a woman in order to get away with her bias towards homosexuals. You want homosexuality to be okay, but Biblically speaking it is taking God's gift of sex for granted. I am not in this post laying out the whole argument for sake of brevity, but if you want I can send you my paper on Rev. West...on the whole,no the Bible absolutely calls homosexuality a sin, but no more a sin than any other. like, cowardice, or misrepresenting God. No less, either. But once again, it is not the sinner that God hates, just the sin.
10:16 PM on 12/18/2011
furthermore, may I remind anyone who reads my post that one oversight about the OT law is very common. There is no law against grace. We want to believe that since the law says, "you shall not lie with a man as with a woman, I am the Lord," that If anyone in the days of ancient Israel came out, it was sure death. May I remind everyone that this is not the case. There must be law, but law without the opportunity for grace is more unjust than no justice at all.
10:08 PM on 12/11/2011
Home school. That's what we did. My son is in college now and is doing fantastic.
03:30 PM on 12/09/2011
I think a lot of hurt and animosity is created when people on either side of the "religion" fence insist they are right, and all others are wrong in the way they feel or choose to live their lives. Animosity is neither productive nor helpful for anyone. I understand that proselytism is a part of the Christian (as well as Muslim, etc) faith. Listening to someone present and explain ideas regarding a deeply-held belief system, something truly felt in the soul, can not only be educational, but can also at times be moving and beautiful. I certainly can't speak for others, but I'm usually willing to hear another's opinion when I don't feel pressured, derided or belittled. But when people are made to feel demoralized by the message, the message has failed.

Respect and love for others should not be conditional to a specific religious or social dogma. A person may reject my value system and choose to live in a way that I might find disagreeable. I may fear for that person's sanity or soul. However, that does not make him/her any less worthy of compassion, kindness and high regard. I believe how we treat others, and perhaps most especially those different from ourselves, should be the measure of a person.
11:43 PM on 12/08/2011
As a Christian, and first as a human being, I watched this in pain. The kid is in torment. If any Christian watches this without wanting to embrace the child and encourage him, they are missing something of their humanity, not just something of their faith. But the Christian has to "preach the Gospel." If we love the child, we have to tell him what we believe is the truth that will set him free. Love isn't telling someone what they want to hear. It's sometimes telling people what they DON'T want to hear because you believe they need to hear it. But we have to be willing, like Jesus, to still love the person even when they reject what we say. The parable of the prodigal son is an example of that, but the greatest example is the saying of Jesus from the Cross, arms open in love to those who wounded Him: "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do." We Christians, I a sinner, all of us sinners, need to be more like that. If they were, this child would never doubt that he is loved.
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dwayner
02:01 PM on 12/09/2011
Simple. Separation of Church and State. If you feel the need to "preach the Gospel", you do it in your place of worship, private religious school, home, etc. This kid should be free from your Gospel and your "truth" in a State run school.
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Asmodean1
Truth is only true if based on facts.
10:36 PM on 12/11/2011
---- "If we love the child, we have to tell him what we believe is the truth that will set him free".

Free of what?
Three revealing words in this phrase - "what we believe" - What you and your organization believes as truth - Religious truth that just plainly is not factual.
11:42 PM on 12/08/2011
You're blaming Christians for this kid's issues and bullying. The kid's follow up video (look it up) said that everyone in his school loves him. I think he had a bad day.

Children barely understand Christianity, even if their parents are Christians. They are bullies because it's unnatural to be homosexual. Not by my standards, by scientific standards. Most boys feel the urge to be with a girl/woman. When someone is different they get made fun of. It is completely wrong and hurtful but do NOT blame Christians. That's the exact same as blaming blacks for rape and murder.

As a Christian I sympathize for this boy and feel horrible he has been hurt by other kids.

Christianity is not about us, it is about GOD. We have no authority to say what is right and wrong or believe that we are entitled to goodness or mercy for doing whatever we want to do. No one, NO ONE deserves to go to heaven, it is by God's grace alone that we can be with him. If we believe for a second that we or anyone deserves something then they are wrong. We are sinners and he is the redeemer. We are all fallen and consumed by this world. His mercy and grace abound.
07:44 AM on 12/09/2011
Yeah, His mercy and grace are abounding all over this kid! Oh, and just where exactly did you get your information on "scientific standards" regarding homosexuality? I feel like I'm in that movie "Groundhogs Day" every time I hear christians try to justify their hate with, not only with their religion, but with bogus "science"!
08:08 AM on 12/09/2011
Oh sorry...I hope this isn't too much for you to wrap your head around, scientifically speaking: I'm referring to the basic "science" that men and women create children and in essence homosexuality would be the opposite philosophy to evolution and survival of the fittest. Very ironic huh?
11:02 AM on 12/09/2011
Children understand bigotry and bullying. They are taught these lessons and through their own need for superiority, use their lessons on others. They are taught "unnatural" by you - and allowed to act on it by your support.

I am Christian also. But we seem to have very different Gods. I know a loving God, accepting of all who share their light with others.

I don't know a God who tells us to go burn the innocent with his light through bigoted judgement of lifestyle, race, color, or religion.

Make no mistake, jceasar11, your bigotry contributed to this!
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Asmodean1
Truth is only true if based on facts.
10:40 PM on 12/11/2011
I personally thank you for your post. i am pleased to be your first fan.
09:28 PM on 12/08/2011
This is seriously one of the saddest things I've watched... It just breaks my heart.
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WoolyBumblebee
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08:30 PM on 12/08/2011
From the cartoon video:

Starts all mushy gushy, and then, as expected, devolves into "But I want them to stop being gay though... Being gay is a sin..." and on and on...

This is EXACTLY why the LGBT community gets bullied. The hate of religion knows no bounds. No matter how much one professes that they are not a bigoted Xtian, it's just not true! Religion allows and condones this hateful behavior. It even insists that you tell people how sinful they are for being gay. How does that help kids like Jonah? It's just disgusting the way the religious treat the LGBT community as less than human. That is not morality, love, or compassion. It is pure intolerance and hate.
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Belligerent
04:10 AM on 12/09/2011
It's funny, because I've seen LGBT's with the same intolerant, hateful attitude toward Christians. It's a two way street.
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WoolyBumblebee
Creator of TruthAndOblivion.com
04:28 AM on 12/09/2011
How is that funny? Your argument is so ridiculous! You would call the one being bullied of being intolerant of their bully? How dumb is that statement? Please try some logic before posting. It would save you from looking like a complete dunderhead.
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eliasasm
01:07 PM on 12/11/2011
What are the origins of anti-homosexuality?
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08:18 PM on 12/08/2011
"Tell me, please, how you love this kid. Tell me how you understand his pain. Tell me how when he cries, you cry."

They might when they ditch religion and get a moral compass.
07:33 PM on 12/08/2011
people get bullied for any reason- too skinny, fat, ugly, big nose, 4 eyes, gay, w/e... A year or 2 after highschool you won't even remember these peoples names.

Be yourself, respect yourself, and accept yourself. If you don't how can you expect anyone else to.

i will spare you my thoughts on Christianity. ( they are not pretty)
05:26 PM on 12/08/2011
I am shocked by the power of this video i am at work and tearing up and yes i am a straight male to see a kid in this kind of pain hurts me to the core of my being...
05:04 PM on 12/08/2011
John Shore,

i'm a christian, and i am constantly saddened by the way the church treats the LGBT community. most christians are not reasonable or logical people, don't ask them to be. a lot of them gave that up when they were baptized. many are not ready to listen. but i think this video (and others like it), are starting to open the door. many are beginning to realize how hurtful their words and/or actions have been. Christians need to remember that whenever jesus was angry in then bible, it was at his own disciples for being humiliating idiots and the religious leaders of the day twisting God's word around. I always saw Jesus as a lover to society's unlovables, not a someone who discriminated. thank you for this article, i wish i had wrote it!
07:59 PM on 12/08/2011
What about how the way the LGBT treat Christians.
09:38 PM on 12/08/2011
And what way would that be? Explain your comment please because I have never treated anyone any different than I would want to be treated...