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Jim Wallis and 'Defending the Dignity and Civil Rights of Gays and Lesbians'

Posted: 05/10/11 10:51 PM ET

In response to the tsunami of outrage occasioned by Sojourners' refusal of Believe Out Loud's Welcome video, Jim Wallis yesterday issued this statement. (If you're not caught up on what this is all about, here is a wonderful summary of the whole webby affair.)

In his statement of defense, Wallis makes six numbered points. Following the order of his presentation of them, those six points boil down to:

  1. Sojourners is very much against bullying gays, and very much for "defending the lives, dignity, and civil rights of gay and lesbian people."
  2. Christians should be welcoming and loving to gay people.
  3. The gay issue shouldn't divide the church.
  4. Sojourners is less directly concerned with the gay issue than about "poverty, racial justice, stewardship of the creation, and the defense of life and peace."
  5. Essentially a repeat of points four and two.
  6. Sojourners wants to discuss difficult issues in its editorial pages, not via its ads.

For the record, I take no pleasure in banging on Wallis. By all accounts he has accomplished a great deal of good in the world. He has fought to free South Africa, to reduce nuclear arms, to stop the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, to bring about global economic health, to pass immigration reform laws and to bring an end to human trafficking. Winner of the 1995 Pacem in Terris Peace and Freedom Award, Wallis is spiritual adviser to President Obama.

This is hardly a man I'm inclined to criticize.

But, alas, this is also a man whom I believe to be dead wrong on the gay issue. And -- what with my open letter to him and all -- that is what I'm now constrained to address.

So let's begin with the first and primary point of Wallis' defense: It's bad to bully gays, and good to defend the lives, dignity and civil rights of gay people.

The profoundly intractable problem with Wallis making that assertion is that if you look elsewhere on the Sojourners site, you find this page, whereon Wallis answers the question, "What is your position on gay marriage and same-sex relationships in general?" There, Wallis starts right off making the point that he so noticeably avoided in the six points of his post yesterday:

We can make sure that long-term gay and lesbian partnerships are afforded legitimate legal protections in a pluralistic society without changing our long-standing and deeply rooted concept of marriage as being between a man and a woman.

And there's the giant undercooked waffle that so many Christians cannot seem to sweep off their table or return to the kitchen: Gays should have all the rights the rest of us enjoy; but make no mistake: since their romantic love is inferior, they are inferior.

And no matter how much syrup is poured upon it, that particular waffle remains unpalatable.

Mr. Wallis, I implore you to consider that saying that it is your long standing, deeply rooted conviction that marriage should only be between a man and a woman is tantamount to saying that gays and lesbians are (pick your word/phrase) unnatural, inferior, morally corrupt, shameful, disgraceful, freakish, an abomination before God. That is necessarily the correlative truth to "the only legitimate, God-pleasing marriage is between a man and a woman." That's what those words of yours mean, friend.

You are saying that gays and lesbians are, in every way that really matters in life, inferior. You are saying that the Bible says that. You are saying that is what God believes. You are making that statement as large and true as anyone possibly could.

So. You know. Stop doing that.

At any rate, if you're going to claim that gays and lesbians are an affront to God (which is what you claim: put down that fork!), then it is simply not feasible for you to at the same time claim to be against the bullying of gays. That's like building a huge public swimming pool facility, throwing open its doors on its Grand Opening, and then publicly taking a bold stance against people swimming. It just doesn't make sense. Swimming in them is what people do with pools. Just like bullying is what people do to others whom they've been taught are so inferior that God has made a big point of condemning them to hell forever. One inevitably follows the next. It's just human nature.

Also, please understand that it's not the actual, physical bullying that most hurts gay and lesbians. What most hurts them -- what destroys their optimism, crushes their hope, obliterates their self-esteem, and finally compels so many of them take their own lives -- is the message in which that bullying is grounded.

Gay youths don't get being beaten up for what they've done. They get being beaten up for who they are.

"You deserve our scorn -- and have God's scorn -- for the despicable thing you are," is about the most annihilating thing a young person can hear about themselves from their peers.

If you're sincere about wanting to help stop the bullying of young gay people, Mr. Wallis, then please stop sending their bullies the message that while God might disagree with their tactics, he not only applauds, but is actually the source of, their motivation.

As to the second part of Wallis' first point -- the part about defending the lives, dignity and civil rights of gay and lesbian people. It is good to hear that Wallis supports the legalization of gay marriage. (I assume that's what he means, anyway, since no less an authority than the U.S. Supreme Court, in its unanimous decision to decriminalize interracial unions 40 years ago, called marriage "one of the basic civil rights." Moreover, if gay marriage was legalized, gays would have each of the legal rights that, in his answer to the gay question, Wallis stipulates desiring they do. Saying you support civil rights for gays is saying that you support the legalization of gay marriage.)

The problem with Wallis championing the rights of gays to legal civil marriage is that it proactively leaves out in the cold the great many gays and lesbians who, just like most other people, want to be married in church, by a pastor, before God. So we again find ourselves back to this grossly untenable "separate but equal" status for gays and lesbians. In reality there's no such thing as "separate but equal": equals don't need to be separated. "Separate but equal" invariably means that one of the two parties involved is less "equal" than the other. By proclaiming his support for civil unions for gays, Wallis is with one hand holding open the doors to City Hall, and with the other keeping closed the doors of the church. That's too far a stretch. Affirming their legal rights, while at the same time negating their spiritual needs (and thereby their inherent moral integrity), isn't "defending the dignity of gay and lesbian people." It isn't defending the dignity of anyone. It's like telling someone that they're welcome to eat anywhere they like -- as long as it's in the kitchen.

As to the other five points of Wallis' rebuttal:

2. Christians should be welcoming and loving to gay people. If you don't respect somebody -- and Christians who believe that homosexuality is a sin cannot truly respect any gay or lesbian person -- then you can't love them. Love without respect isn't love at all. It's patronizing, at best.

3. The gay issue shouldn't divide the church. Too late; it is dividing the church. Time to pick a lane.

4. Sojourners is less directly concerned with the gay issue than about "poverty, racial justice, stewardship of the creation, and the defense of life and peace." That last point is mighty fuzzy, but ... okay. I get it. Good job. Poverty, racial injustice, and a destroyed earth are bad. I personally think that what a Christian leader should be concerned with above all is making sure that nobody -- much less an entire class of people -- is systemically denied the love of Christ by the very church that Christ established. But I'm also definitely in favor of clean rivers.

5. Essentially a repeat of points 4 and 2.

6. Sojourners wants to discuss difficult issues in its editorial pages, not via its ads. Makes sense.

And there we have it. I'll let you know if Wallis contacts me! Which I'm sure will happen within the next two or three nevers!


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07:35 PM on 05/16/2011
This is sad indeed. I've been a big fan of Jim Wallis ever since I read God's Politics. I don't understand how someone can in one breath say they have respect for gays and lesbians, and in the next suggest that a union between them would be incongruent with Christianity. It reminds me of how far we have to go on becoming a more open and loving Christian community.
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Balancement
Timendi causa est nescire. -- Seneca
01:52 AM on 05/16/2011
Dear Wallis ~

Gay people are not an "issue." They are people--deserving of all the rights, respect, and dignity as every other human being. "Christian" compartmentalism is not an option.
08:38 PM on 05/14/2011
Wallis, IMO, goes as far in the direction you wish as he can, given that he is also a Christian.
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Soulmentor
"To thine own self be true...."
12:43 PM on 05/14/2011
The problem with the homosexuality as sin discussion is that it is too often based on the willful biblical ignorance of those who profess to love the sinner but hate the sin. Too many of them read the traditional Biblical references to homosexuality (if they even have read them) already believing the traditionally held interpretations of those references and not, by applying critical thinking skills, drawing their own interpretive conclusions. Oh yes, each of us has the right, indeed, the duty to interpret for ourselves, rather than lazily believe what someone else says we should because....what(?), they are more learned or have better access to some hidden insights from God or are more inherently "spiritual"? Have they too much internalized their churches teachings that they cannot trust their own hearts and minds; their own GOD GIVEN intellect?
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Soulmentor
"To thine own self be true...."
12:42 PM on 05/14/2011
Thus, we have people like "according2ryan" below who insist that homosexuality is a sin without providing any indication that he has a clue what he's talking about beyond parroting the party line. To him and indeed, everyone, I recommend a small book titled WHAT THE BIBLE REALLY SAYS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY by Daniel Helmeniak, a former priest. It's a small book, easy read offering interpretations beyond the traditional and the most definitive work on the subject I have found (and I've read a LOT with a personal library on the subject longer than my arm span). Whether one likes the thot or not, fact is, those Biblical references are ALL open to interpretation and just because the traditional ones have been around a long time, doesn't mean they are right. Slavery was around a long time too, and is still condoned in the Bible, if no longer in American society.
09:06 PM on 05/14/2011
"Whether one likes the thot or not, fact is, those Biblical references are ALL open to interpreta­tion and just because the traditiona­l ones have been around a long time, doesn't mean they are right. Slavery was around a long time too, and is still condoned in the Bible, if no longer in American society."

As to the first point, that biblical passages are all open to interpretation, that is precisely why most mainstream denominations have always stressed the need to rely upon the body of interpretation that constitutes "tradition." Because otherwise, the reader is likely to interpret based on his own personal idiosyncrasies, rather than the collective results of many highly intelligent men over the centuries.

I am curious, though. What, exactly, makes you think that you are a better interpreter of scripture than Thomas Aquinas, Jonathan Edwards, or any of the other theologians of the last couple thousand years?

Oh, as to slavery, not sure what your point is, exactly. The Bible does indeed appear to condone it. We don't. So what? I have not read any traditional Christians arguing that because a practice is not forbidden by God, as a society we have to allow it.
DianaLynn1967
It's a great life if you don't weaken!
10:56 PM on 05/14/2011
And if all the theologians of the last couple thousand years told you to go jump off the Golden Gate Bridge, would you do it?
12:13 PM on 05/16/2011
You are correct in your main point but wrong in your facts. You state that just because the traditional interpretations have been around a long time, doesn't mean they are right with the implication that the current view of homosexuality is one of those traditional Biblical views. It isn't. English translations of the Bible only started including the current view on homosexuality after 1947 or so. That is not really a long time. Previous to that the Bible condemned pederasty and male prostitution in the NT verses that make reference to homosexuality.

There is an exception, which is the Romans verse that describes how the gentile Xtians suffer from lust for the same gender. But immediately following this Paul tells everybody not to judge them because we are all guilty of the greater sin of idolatry. Just saying.
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Soulmentor
"To thine own self be true...."
01:21 AM on 05/18/2011
******English translatio­ns of the Bible only started including the current view on homosexual­ity after 1947 or so.*********

I get your point. I am well aware of that and have used that argument often myself. I guess the confusion between us stems from my thinking in using the word "traditional". I take that back centuries, whereas you apparently only go back to the 20th century with it. You're correct. The more modern Bible references to homosexuality stem from the Freudian era, but I think you don't take "tradition" back far enuf. Certainly the King James makes the same assertions about homosexuality, just uses a different lexicon.

One interesting point relevant to this is that somewhere along the line, the King James word "effeminate" was replaced with "homosexual"; a re-interpretation clearly based solely on personal prejudice since any thinking person knows that those words are distinctly NOT synonymous.
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04:32 PM on 05/13/2011
I'm with John on this one. I like Jim Wallis' actions and views on lots of issues and respect him greatly for all that. However, he seems to be among the crowd that just doesn't understand that you can't simultaneously "love" and "respect" people while arguing that their relationships are just not good enough to be respected in any way by your church. At least Wallis supports civil marriage for glbt peeps, but he still has the contradiction of saying, "but not in my church." Emphasis on "my" or "our." Like, "all of us real Christians have considered you sinners for millennia, and it's our church, so stop asking for things like respect for your relationships! WE make the rules, not YOU."
09:07 PM on 05/14/2011
Well, apart from abandoning his religion, what do you want him to do?
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06:11 PM on 05/15/2011
I expect him to be as radically inclusive of all people as Jesus was. That does not mean abandoning his religion but radically embracing it.
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JohnFromCensornati
The End is near
02:06 PM on 05/13/2011
Thank you. That is what I need to hear in order to make peace with xians. I won't even call you a Stealth Atheist today.
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JDuck
Until we know the equal we'll never feel the free.
12:55 PM on 05/13/2011
Nice, John.

Alas, I dont expect Mr Wallis to change his stance. To do so would mean he'd believe he's going against god's will and he'd be without a job and, well, I just dont see that happening. Very few people who claim to know god's will ever change.

Was worth a shot though, John.
thebigbike
ran away to be a cowboy
12:24 PM on 05/13/2011
Thanks. A useful dissection of the arguments.
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JohnFromCensornati
The End is near
02:09 PM on 05/13/2011
Roll me over and turn me around
Let me keep spinning till I hit the ground
Roll me over and let me go
Riding in the rodeo
Roll me over and set me free
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TryToBeFlexible
MENSA, Gay, Atheist, Believer in justice
11:04 AM on 05/13/2011
Christians claim they hate the sin, but love the sinner. But they work against anti-bullying laws to protect 8 year olds from abuse and torture. How many of these little kids are active sexually? Uh, like none, yet their peers instantly know they are gay. And some of these peers abuse them. How is it a "choice" for these little kids, when they are too young to have ever done anything sexually yet? But the Christians apparently still feel the act of bullying and abuse should be a protected right of Christians. To me, this is some pretty fuzzy logic.
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angelcakesinc
Tolerance of intolerance is intolerable
09:18 PM on 05/13/2011
Technically most of the gaybashing in schools is for perceived sexuality, many of the victims aren't actually gay. It certainly doesn't make a very good environment for kids who actually are gay, however, which simply exacerbates the situation once they become the targets of the bullying.
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09:39 AM on 05/13/2011
As an atheist, Jim Wallis is one of the religious leaders I always site as a truely great member of our society, who is genuinely making the world a better place through his faith and leadership. I have more respect for Rev. Wallis than any other religious leader whos name is bigger than his congregation. He is, in my opinion, a really great man.

But John Shore is right. On this issue, Wallis is dead wrong. And his error on this issue, undermines his greatness in many other areas of his life. He needs to get himself straight. He either loves all, with respect; or he doesn't.
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Daleri Rileda
Jungle Jargon
06:55 AM on 05/13/2011
Being gay is nothing exceptional.
thebigbike
ran away to be a cowboy
12:25 PM on 05/13/2011
then gay people ought to be able to exercise every right under civil law that others exercise QED
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Daleri Rileda
Jungle Jargon
07:01 AM on 05/14/2011
Gay people, by being gay, do not make babies and they never will make babies. Only a man and a woman are able to make babies and that is what marriage is for.

If gay people want to fabricate a family, that is still not a family of a father, mother and children resulting from the relationship of the father and mother.

Gay relationships do not produce children so they will never ever be what the family is all about.
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11:30 PM on 05/12/2011
I think Wallis is also pro-life, his defending life seems to state that and I've heard it before.
11:23 PM on 05/12/2011
I think where you go wrong is in assuming Wallis and all Christians like him who think homosexuality is a sin look upon homosexuals as inferior. I know many do. I am sure of that. But I also really doubt Mr. Wallis sees it that way and neither do I for that matter. In a Christian worldview there is no room for seeing anyone as inferior. As a sinner saved by grace I don't know how I could legitimately see anyone as inferior. I know some people will probably respond to this insistent that I and Jim Wallis do see homosexuals as inferior (by the way, please don't bother telling me you know what I think and feel better than I do) but this simple isn't true. I do not think we should ever attribute motive or attitudes to those we disagree with that they themselves do express in an attempt to make them look bad, and I think that is what you have done. From the point where you do this onward your post looses credibility for me. It may work in terms of preaching to the converted, but if you want me as Christian who thinks homosexuality is a sin to listen to you and take you serious and think about the issues then I would say do not assume you know what Wallis or those like him really think. This is just my constructive criticism.
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08:46 AM on 05/13/2011
The problem with all that is that the whole "hate the sin, love the sinner" thing just doesn't work when the "sin" is integral to a person's identity. Lying, stealing, eating shrimp and other such sins don't touch on who we are. We can tell a lie then genuinely repent, but how can you repent from loving someone? You want to tell someone that the love that they want to celebrate is impure and sinful but deny "telling them they're inferior"? If nothing else, at least take ownership of what your beliefs really mean and what you're really saying when you call homosexuality a sin.
09:43 AM on 05/13/2011
What you want me to own up to is what my beliefs mean to you, not what they mean to me. You have to recognize you are building your case on view I won't agree with, and so when you come to your conclusion of course I am not going to agree. For me, the love the sinner hates the sin thing does work. So while you do not see how I can not see homosexuals as inferior, for me it is completely possible.
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JDuck
Until we know the equal we'll never feel the free.
01:05 PM on 05/13/2011
So, iow's, you would invite gays into your church but they would have to stop being gay to stay.

Got it.
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MindyC
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10:39 PM on 05/12/2011
John, you speak for so many. Thank you for being such an eloquent voice of reason!