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John Thatamanil

John Thatamanil

Posted: August 3, 2010 02:41 PM

Islamophobia in America is gradually reaching epidemic proportions. The toll that such toxicity will exact on our core constitutional values is slowly becoming apparent. But few seem to realize that surrender to suspicion and fear also brings with it a heavy moral and spiritual price. When Christians (and sadly much of the hatred is being mobilized by churches) bear false witness against our neighbors and fail to live up to Jesus' command to love our neighbors as we love ourselves, we abandon the constitutive practices of Christian life.

Christians violate basic religious commitments and obligations by fanning the flames of hatred and sowing the seeds of violence. The most dramatic example of Christians betraying their own values is the call by the Dove World Outreach Center for a Quran-burning day to mark the ninth anniversary of September 11. Some outreach!

Those who have the most to fear from this virulent disease are Muslims. But Sikhs and others likely to be mistaken for Muslims also have reason to worry. In the wake of 9/11, Indians and others who were "Middle-Eastern looking" were attacked. A Sikh man, Balbir Singh Sodhi, whose turban made him a conspicuous target, was among those who were murdered. The toxic mix of racism, founded on the ignorant assumption that Muslims must come in some variety of brown, and widespread religious illiteracy make for a dangerous cocktail.

After noting the risks posed to Muslims and racialized others who appear to be of another religion, it must also be said that the carriers and transmitters of this disease are vulnerable to moral corruption and religious malpractice.

Christian partisans seem to forget that the Ten Commandments, which many love to post in public but few seem to read in private, prohibit bearing false witness against neighbors (Exodus 20:16). To malign a global religious community, to caricature the Prophet Muhammad, to insult and even burn the scriptures of another faith -- such actions manifestly violate a core ethical mandate that is supposed to order Christian life.

To tell untruths about the traditions of our neighbors is an exercise in bearing false witness. Ignorance is no excuse. Christians should realize that they are sure to misrepresent the most cherished convictions of coworkers and neighbors if they elect to abide in ignorance. When Christians refuse to engage in the patient truth-seeking study of other traditions, they fail to perform the work that love requires. By remaining in ignorance, they leave themselves prone to easy manipulation by unscrupulous politicians who spread misinformation and foment fearmongering.

Christians who do not know much about their neighbors' traditions place themselves in a position of moral vulnerability. When we speak about traditions we do not know, we are sure to get it wrong. And when that speech is driven by anxiety and apprehension, it is a safe bet that we shall bear false witness. In so doing, Christians compromise their own spiritual lives.

Adopting a posture of truth-telling and love does not mean that Christians are bound to uncritical silence about other religious traditions. Just as Christians should expect to be called out when they engage in racist behavior that is sanctified by appeal to religious rhetoric -- as in the case of Christian arguments on behalf of racism, slavery and apartheid -- so it is possible to speak in loving criticism about what seems awry in the traditions of others. Truth spoken in love is a far cry from slanderous speech. The former can be a part of a deep interreligious friendship; the latter violates trust and ruptures relationship.

But the labor of judgment is a precarious business. It must be remembered, after all, that the KKK, Christian militia members like Timothy McVeigh and abortion clinic bombers are all Christian terrorists. It is worth asking why this conjunction of terms is never seen in the press.

Few expect every church to apologize for these extremists. Would it be fair for our Muslim brothers and sisters to ask why American Christians have not collectively and forcefully denounced these extremists or the still very recent systematic brutalizing of black bodies under Christian slavery, slavery that was far from an isolated exception but was instead a national norm sustained by appeal to the Bible? A microscopic minority of Muslims perpetrates acts of terror, and yet all Muslims are held to blame. Slavery, Jim Crow segregation, and lynching were part of the very fabric of American life. They were condoned and even endorsed by American Bible-believing Christians. The racist legacy of these past wrongs still persists. Many American Christians find it easy to tarnish Muslims in general but have yet to come to terms with America's Original Sin!

My point is that no religious tradition is innocent of grievous, even calamitous moral harm. The weighty work of repentance, redress and repair falls upon all traditions alike.

Faced with this sobering truth, Christians in particular must return to the core guiding principles of faithful living. Of these principles, none is more central and precious than Jesus' reiteration of the ancient commandment, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself" (Leviticus 19:18; Mark 12:31).

That calling to love is irreparably harmed when the degraded culture of Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib spills out into American life at large. When Christian churches hold Quran-burning days and when rally organizers urge protesters to bring dogs because Muslims hate dogs, we are not far from the Abu Ghraibification of American life. When practices that mimic torture spill out into the country at large, civic life is corrupted and the Christian calling to Christ-like living is eviscerated. When paranoia strikes deep, we risk losing not only our country but indeed our very souls.

 
 
 

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Islamophobia in America is gradually reaching epidemic proportions. The toll that such toxicity will exact on our core constitutional values is slowly becoming apparent. But few seem to realize that s...
Islamophobia in America is gradually reaching epidemic proportions. The toll that such toxicity will exact on our core constitutional values is slowly becoming apparent. But few seem to realize that s...
 
 
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fireincarmation
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04:33 PM on 09/08/2010
Uhm, hate to break it to you, but Christians have burned books and burned heretics in the name of Jesus for a long time now.
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Talossa
Liberal. Pro-Israel. Recovering atheist.
07:06 PM on 09/08/2010
The question, however, is whether or not the New Testament tells them to. If someone acts in spite of their religion rather than because of it, it is not the religion's fault.
10:55 AM on 08/08/2010
What is the significance of certain euro Christians burning the Qur'an? Would this stop the fastest growing religion from spreading? Of course not? Would the burning of the Qur'an stop the growing insurgencies against the US? No it would not! Would burning the Qur'an bring the wrath of Allah swt down on those who burn his books of guidance, certainly insha'A'llah, it is coming! In the end, those they wanted to disaffected, would get the message that American is becoming dar harb (a place of war upon the Muslims), this is will only add more impetus to attack America by any means necessary.
07:08 PM on 08/23/2010
Islam is "fastest growing" because Muslims number live births to Muslim parents as Muslims and never reduce for cross-conversion (same as Catholics). Baptists, for example, number only adult conversions and confessions of faith and reduce for renunciation. In terms of recorded adult conversions and confessions of faith, evangelical Christianity is the fastest growing belief system on the planet, and its churches see the biggest growth.

When Yeshua Hammashich, or Jesus Christ, spoke of the end of the age, He took into consideration all that opposed the way of truth, all sin, and all opposition to God. He had a tendency to "bottom line" certain discussions, and the bottom line of Christianity is this: all things and all persons will be resolved to the glory of God for His purposes, not ours.
07:15 PM on 08/23/2010
The question that many Europeans have for Islam is this: why are cartoons worth hundreds of protests around the world, but when a Muslim girl is stoned for bringing dishonor on her family, having done so by being gang-raped by her Muslim cousins and uncles, why does this ghastly horror not draw the slightest criticism from any but a few Muslims? (I ASSUME there are Muslim critics, but I do not know of any.) When offended, a Muslim uses Western forms of protest to make a point in the West. When confronted with barbaric crimes against defenseless women, we hear nothing from Muslims.

The sheer contrast defies the human experience for articulation.
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04:36 PM on 09/08/2010
Well-spoke, couldn't aggree more.
06:21 PM on 08/07/2010
And where might we look for commonality???

Umm??? Blessed are the PEACEMAKERS!

We ALL share this knowledge, Jew, Muslim and Christian. But for how long will the world tolerate our disagreements and mischief making? The death of the innocents is forbidden by ALL the faithful of God. Aggression is worse that murder.

What of the 99% we all SHARE together?????

The love of God.

All the best
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Garbaj
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10:26 PM on 08/05/2010
it has been my experience that followers of islam know more about christianity than christians know about islam.

there are many reasons for this. chief amongst these would be the moral & religious superiority that christians claim to have over all other religions, save possibly that of judaism: not surprising since they share much of the same history...and the same "god".

this lack of understanding of what others believe underlies much of the mistakes and misconceptions that the west make when it comes to muslims in general. such paucity; coupled with a strident bias born out of the events of 9/11 sufficiently drive the fanaticism that we see today.

to be sure, this fanaticism is not exclusionary. simply observe many of the rants & actions by some in the east and one can conclude that there are culprits on BOTH sides.

religion has often been used as a matter of historical; cultural; moral; ethical...and political...superiority. this has been the source of all the conflicts ever waged in the name of "god".

in its efforts to maintain this "illusion of superiority", religion has abandoned its more pure & mystical center which is unfortunate because it is only at this level that we become aware that at heart ALL religion is basically saying the EXACT SAME THING...!!!

ultimately, what is REALLY shows is that humanity has such a long, long, way to go before it truly recognises the TRUE aim of religion.
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Weirdwriter
02:07 PM on 08/07/2010
"Religion" is a broad term for a wide variety of belief systems, with or without a deity involved. Not all belief systems under the heading of "religion" say the exact same thing, although there s often overlap on matters such as ethics and how to treat one's fellow human.

As such, it is not "religion" which abandons its principles. Only people can do that. And they manage to find ways to inflict intolerance and injustice on each other under many pretexts, "religious" or not.
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Garbaj
What is the Matrix?
04:30 PM on 08/07/2010
i couldn't agree with you more; hence the last sentence of my original comment...!

thank you for your post...!
been2there
Facts have a liberal bias.
09:01 PM on 08/05/2010
I have been worried about how well the US is doing at protecting religious rights. At what I felt was God's urging, I promised God to wear a headscarf (hijab) for this entire year. I have had no problems, but I look like the Anglo-Saxon I am. Those women who have told me they had problems all looked visible Middle Eastern. The conclusion I am coming to is that plain old racism is at least half the problem.
07:00 PM on 08/23/2010
Actually, this tradition was borrowed by Lebanese Muslims from Lebanese Christians. It has no roots in Islam--period.
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11:46 AM on 08/05/2010
Sorry, religions don't have constitutions. There is no representational voting either (of the people or followers). Religion is a dictatorship. The followers don't get to vote on what's right or wrong. God says what's good or evil. Also, most religions claim to be the o-n-e true path to enlightenment. Therefor in their vehement or subtle criticisms of other religions, followers, who believe they're adhering to the party line, believe they are condemning pretenders/false prophets. That brings me to a fundamental problem with religion: it is deeply imbedded in conflict and war. Personally, i have no faith in hypocritical religious practices nor religion. Actions speak louder than words.
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Weirdwriter
02:16 PM on 08/07/2010
If your actual problem is with the verifiable actions of specific organized groups with a 'religious"purpose I could understand that. Otherwise, "religion" is a broad term for a wide variety of belief systems, with or without a deity involved.

You'd have to be more specific about WHICH religions you feel are "dictatorships." The Quakers, for example, have no real hierarchy, which precludes any question of "dictatorship."

After all, if it isn't "religion," it's some other thing being used as a political tool that is the basis for most wars and conflict. History shows that over and over any religious tenets provide mere "cover" for motives that have nothing to do with the basis tenets of the religions they purport to represent.
05:38 PM on 08/04/2010
There is no reason to ever condone book-burning. That makes this church the moral equivalent of the crowds in Nazi Germany who participated in mass burnings of books. And to have it be the holy book of 1/4 the world's population makes it even a worse decision.

Not only is it "un-Christian" but it also goes against basic human decency.
06:58 PM on 08/23/2010
There is likewise no reason to forbid a person to do with his property what he chooses. It's one thing to burn another's book or a library or to eradicate a work in its entirety. It's quite another to take one's own book and burn it.

BTW, Muslims are free to own all the Qurans they wish in the US. Only one's personal bible is allowed when one visits a muslim country. What does that suggest to you regarding the likely welfare of printed bibles if muslims were to take over the US? This is let alone that in a muslim country, a convert to Christianity has a life expectancy of less than 24 hours. For some, that could even be thought of as a clue.
03:56 PM on 08/04/2010
Christian Mysticism helps the mind in the midst of daily activities to be conscious of the soul. The mind needs this enlightenment to understand the different states of consciousness that one goes through daily while engaging in external actions. It is too bad that the Christian church does not have spiritual leaders. thinkunity.com
07:13 PM on 08/04/2010
"It is too bad that the Christian church does not have spiritual leaders."

So, I've got moment with obviously not a lot burning on my plate right now to approach this peculiar statement.

There is no "the Christian church" and at the same time many spiritual leaders are Christian. It is possible, likely even, that words mean something different to you in which case any sort of dialog could prove confusing at best.

But I take what might be your point; Christianity is not about *mysticism* per se, but rather service to your neighbors and through that service making yourself pleasing to God. If that is your meaning, then it is a *feature* and not a defect to not have *spiritual leaders*.
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What is the Matrix?
09:57 PM on 08/05/2010
religion may be properly said to be the opiate of the masses. mysticism requires a more evolved; dispassioned perception that precludes most people who are too wrapped up in their mundane thoughts & actions & beliefs to be able to stop and perceive the subtlety of Conscious awareness.

and the major religions aren't sincerely interested in promulgating their own mystical traditions for obvious reasons.

but such is the nature of things in kali yuga!
03:18 PM on 08/04/2010
There seems to be mass confusion on Huffpost about the difference between RELIGIOUS BELIEFS and RACE or ETHNICITY. There is no such thing as "islamophobia", any more than there is "christianophobia" in Saudi Arabia. There is NEVER an excuse to mistreat people, particularly our immigrants of colour, since we ALL once fell into that category (since North American Indians were the only original inhabitants).

However, why should we not be free to call out the dangers of religion like islam and christianity? It seems like it's ok now to dissect christianity, but if you criticize islam you raise the ire of westerners and muslims alike. It is clear that islam is an evangelical religion, just like christianity. In fact, the two religions are barely distinguishable from each other if you look to their holy books. They are full of bloodshed, violence, genocide, tribalism, and the concept of the non-believer being the "other" (infidel, heathen). And each believes their religion to be the ONE TRUE RELIGION. There are many individual christians and muslims who are "progressive"; that is to say that they ignore the many offensive commands in their holy books. The foundational religions are dangerous. We need only look to the history of both to see that - horrific violence and oppression has sprung from both beliefs.

I am offended by the term "islamophobia" because I don't think people think before they use it. We should always be able to criticize beliefs, especially when they are based only on myth.
07:08 PM on 08/04/2010
"The foundational religions are dangerous"

This is rather an uneducated point of view in my opinion. Christianity does NOT call for conversion by bloodshed (ancient Judaism, on the other hand, *does*), but Islam clearly calls for forced conversion by war if necessary.

The rest of your comment is pretty close to my experience with the main difference being that Christians exclusivism is pretty much "next life" stuff and Islam's exclusivism is RIGHT NOW.
11:49 AM on 08/05/2010
The quotes attributed to Jesus may not have called for bloodshed, but even a cursory glance at christian history demonstrates a bloody and violent one - conversion by coercion. This includes the muslims during the crusades, and women during the "witch" murders. More recently, many North American Indians were slaughtered because they were "heathen" - "the other". Further efforts to convert included christian residential schools (which operated for about 100 years in Canada) where many thousands of children were horrifically abused.

With regard to the exclusivism, I think the attitudes of christians and muslims are not that different. Christian culture has had the influence of the Enlightenment, however, as well as division among christians which led to the rule of law as opposed to theocracy. But-for these influences, based on history, I would think any government ruled by christianity and islam would be pretty much indistinguishable. Except for the burqa's, maybe.
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10:30 AM on 08/05/2010
By definition, they are all 'myths'. Not one monotheistic religion on Earth has been able to conclusively prove their deity actually exist. It is a matter of BELIEF, and people choose that for themselves. If their faith is real to them, it's real enough.
01:26 PM on 08/06/2010
"By definition, they are all 'myths'."

Isn't the freedom to define your own words great! Long live the United States of America where we can give any word any meaning any time.

I am still waiting for proof that YOU exist. Let's see if you can do that, right here, right now.

You might say, I could come visit you. Yes, and any person that dies may well go visit their God. Ah, but after visiting you, I could return home, which a person that visits God, does not -- well, actually, sometimes they DO. Such a person knows perfectly well his or her God -- merely cannot prove it to YOU.

So, after I return from Cleveland or wherever you are, I try to tell my friend Joe that you exist. *I* know you exist, but he does not, and nothing I say or do constitutes proof.

Of course, there is in the back of my mind the nagging feeling that the man I met in Cleveland might not be YOU.

So you see, without a definition of God, he could be standing next to you RIGHT NOW, and you would have absolute proof -- and not know it!
02:08 PM on 08/06/2010
My first reply was sort of fragmented, too many ideas crammed into a small space.

It was an attempt to set up some examples rather than just take the easy way out and declare what ought to be obvious; and that is you cannot prove the existence of a self-willed individual that has chosen not to be proved and is not under your control, which by any definition of any God that I know, is indeed the case.

Occasionally I ask a person demanding proof, what sort of proof would be acceptable? THAT is when we find out that he has already got a definition of a God, a picture, and until and unless he sees THAT god, there isn't one. This glowing, 10 foot tall semi-transparent being with glowing eyes standing there saying, "I am God!" -- when in fact he may just be one of God's flunkies -- how are YOU going to know this being is even telling the truth?
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02:31 PM on 08/04/2010
Well, u know how these Krishchunz are. Get all their "information" from El Rushbo and Clusterfox. Of course they turn into hate-filled maniacs.

They're not Christians. They're hypocrites. Whereas Jesus promoted tolerance, these people don't know how to do anything except hate: non-Christians, LGBTs, non-whites, etc. Jesus proscribed amassing wealth, and the church leaders do just that.
04:55 PM on 08/09/2010
"Well, u know"

What's a "u"?
05:00 PM on 08/09/2010
"these people don't know how to do anything except hate:"

In what way are you different?

Perhaps some examples to illustrate your love, tolerance and kindness (not!) to others: “I only hear what Billo the Clown says when Stewart, Colbert, Olbermann and Maddow heckle it.” “If only the wingnuts could get raptured and leave the rest of us to evolve.” “there are some sick people out there” “Why would anyone want to love hate-filled people?” (Indeed; you tell us!) “These are obviously self-hating gays.” “I've got a better idea. Send Ann Coulter and her ilk to another planet, and then the rest of us can evolve.” (Why cannot you evolve right now?)
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10:54 PM on 08/09/2010
Why should anyone have to hold a positive view of wingnuts?
01:57 PM on 08/04/2010
I am astounded that no one proof-read this author's material to point out his lack of knowledge and intellectual dishonesty. Let me be clear - I absolutely believe the Quran-burning by this church is a bad idea. His point that Christians are instructed to love their neighbors [and that includes those who would be our enemies] is absolutely correct {Matthew 22:37-40}. He is absolutely wrong in claiming this church is bearing false witness against Islam and the Quran.
1] Not demonstrating the love of Christ toward those you disagree with is not the same [even remotely the same] as bearing false witness. Bearing false witness is intentionally lying about what you know is the truth.
2] Muslims are not our 'brothers and sisters' unless you are a universalist. Even a cursory review of the Bible and the Quran or the core tenets of Islam and Mainline Christianity clearly reveal diametrically opposed views of God and salvation. Both proclaim exclusivity - not inclusivity. You are either in or your not.
3] Christians are ethically bound by Scripture to defend their faith, share biblical truth, live by biblical standards; and to do it all with love in their hearts. We are not called upon to accept false and contradictory teachings. Under our constitution we are bound to tolerate the right of others to believe differently but we are not obliged to accept their differing beliefs.
03:20 PM on 08/04/2010
I appreciate you speaking out against the false beliefs of islam.

Now I would like to replace the word "Islam" with "Christian", and re-write your post. I feel the same way about BOTH religions. They are both false and dangerous and we should speak the truth at every opportunity.
07:04 PM on 08/04/2010
"we should speak the truth at every opportunity. "

I see. *Your mother has yellow teeth, so you feel obliged to point this out and every other flaw that you observe and which is undeniably true. (*Figure of speech, I have no idea about your mother -- it is a common type of situation where I do NOT speak the truth, but neither do I lie).

In those cases where you do feel compelled to "speak the truth" it helps to actually have some of it.

To say "Islam is false" has almost no meaning. "Islam" is not a logical assertion that can be either true or false, same with "Christian".

Since you have not spoken truth, I suppose we can assume that an opportunity has not arisen :-)
02:57 PM on 08/05/2010
2 Questions:
1] Are you open-minded to the possibility that Biblical Christianity is true?
2] Could you share specifically where the Bible makes claims that are false and dangerous?
been2there
Facts have a liberal bias.
09:07 PM on 08/05/2010
2] Muslims are not our 'brothers and sisters' unless you are a universalist. Even a cursory review of the Bible and the Quran or the core tenets of Islam and Mainline Christianity clearly reveal diametrically opposed views of God and salvation. Both proclaim exclusivity - not inclusivity. You are either in or your not.
Jesus made it clear that He came for all, and that everyone was to be considered or brother or sister in Christ.
... we are bound to tolerate the right of others to believe differently but we are not obliged to accept their differing beliefs.
Refusing to defame Islam is not the same as accepting their beliefs. Only a very small percentage of Muslims turn to violence, and refusing to tar all of Islam with that brush is being truthful. In contrast, emphasizing violence is untruthful, e.g. a lie.
02:21 PM on 08/06/2010
Specifically where in the Bible did Jesus proclaim we are all brothers and sisters in Christ; even if we reject Christ [which non-christians do]? According to the Scriptures written by Paul and John we are children of wrath [Ephesians 2:3] until such time we become children of God [John 14:6; Romans 8:14-17] through saving faith and submission to Christ [Romans 10:9-10]. Before anyone starts whining about the use of Pauline Scripture - please read 2 Peter 3.
Before accusing me of defamation, please make specific points about where I made false claims concerning Islam meant to damage the character or reputation [this is the definition of defamation].
11:11 PM on 09/08/2010
Jesus made it clear that He came for all, and that everyone was to be considered or brother or sister in Christ. you are wrong The problem is you have to be in christ first and born again to considered a brother or sister in Christ.
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01:06 PM on 08/04/2010
We should also recognise that absolute docrines of freedom are themselves rigid. The West is developing an intellectual culture which has many marks of insensitivity and callousness. This has as much potential for cruelty as the uncivilized tribal Pashtun Talibans or the Al-Qaeda madness.

Why do some Christians and activits give encouragement to those who claim a high and holy right to injure the most precious religious feelings of Muslims, This sort of hatred may make some people to inevitably interpret this as a permission to injure Muslims and may lead to needless violence on all sides.
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kodimirpal
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12:38 PM on 08/04/2010
Those who criticise the Quran should read first the article by Frank Schaeffer on “May be God Rejects the Bible”, because the Bible says that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." But many of the Bible verses quoted by Frank miserably fails to fulfil this principle of profitable doctrines.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/maybe-god-rejects-the-bib_b_666896.html

By burning the Quran, the critics are showing a callous disregard for others sacred scriptures and the precious feelings of 1500 million Muslims.

All religions must respect each others feelings rather than they burning each others flags with the result that a vicious circle of offence, outrage and anger develops. If the conflict continues this vicious circle of hatred will continue and we should not underestimate how serious and tragic its long term effects might be in terms of vendetta, revenge and in some cases senseless terrorism causing the lives of innocent people.

It was the Jewsih poet Heinrich who said that people who start by burning books will end by burning people

We should also recognise that absolute docrines of freedom are themselves rigid. The West is developing an intellectual culture which has many marks of insensitivity and callousness. This has as much potential for cruelty as the uncivilized tribal Talibans or the Al-Qaeda madness.

Some mad and lunatics will inevitably interpret this as a permission to injure Muslims
06:57 PM on 08/04/2010
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

This can be taken a couple of ways. One way is to suppose that everything YOU call scripture was given by inspiration of God. That seems unlikely. The other way is that everything that was given by God, and subsequently written, is scripture. That is simply the definition of the word and thus becomes somewhat circular or tautological.

As such, one might presume that *some* of the Bible is not *scripture*. Some presume this, some do not. It's not much of an anchor I suppose.

"All religions must respect each others feelings"

Why? Who is going to compel them to your vision?

"It was the Jewsih poet Heinrich who said that people who start by burning books will end by burning people "

What makes Heinrich more worthy to predict the future than any other person?

"Some mad and lunatics will inevitably interpret this as a permission to injure Muslims"

Mad and lunatics do not need permission.
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kodimirpal
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12:24 PM on 08/06/2010
Your question who is going to compel them to your vision does not sound very convincing. You are questioning the very foundation of the constitution and the law and order in any civilized nation

There are laws on libel, race relations, communal violence and hatred, blasphemy and hate speech, child pornography etc. etc in all countries. Who compels that the laws on these are executed in order to ensure that the people co-exist and live decently.

Have you taken mad and lunatics literally not figuratively.?
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11:02 AM on 08/04/2010
"Christian militia members like Timothy McVeigh"

Ok, I McVeigh was a right wing terrorist, and I am no fan of christians at all...However, this is false.
Timothy McVeigh was not a christian. I dont mean this in a true Scotsman way, I mean he said he wasnt a christian, much less a member of a christian militia. There are plenty of crazy christians you could pick from, to include the KKK.
However, this use of McVeigh is sloppy, and incorrect....and is kind of ironic given the context of the article
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04:46 AM on 08/04/2010
I still find it amazing that if they bothered to read the Quran, they would find significant reference to Jesus as a very important prophet in Islam. There is a whole aya about his birth and life.
09:16 AM on 08/04/2010
What difference would that make? The Quran's version of Jesus directly contradicts widely held Christian beliefs about Jesus, and calls it blasphemy to hold those beliefs. If anything it would probably make them more firm in their anti-Islam sentiment.
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kodimirpal
teacher
12:57 PM on 08/04/2010
It makes a big difference Brock.

The Muslims welcome the intellectual criticism of Islam and the Quran, debates, discourses and discussions on inter-faith related matters by scholars. People believing in religions can challenge many things on religion based beliefs, but when it comes to pure, logical monotheism, a strong belief that there is one and only True Almighty creator by whatever name you call the creator, the sustainer and the loving God, Islam stands unique and the Christian approach is not that universal, a big number of Anglican bishops themselves do not accept the Bible account of Trinity and Jesus Christ as the incarnation of God Almighty or the one and the only begotten son of God and the rest. But in spite of many sects in islam every sect accepts the single version of the Quran every word of it

There are hundreds of things to criticise Islam with but not its monotheistic approach to God.
Jesus was one of the mightiest messengers of God as was Solomon, Moses, Abraham, David, Joseph, Isaac, Lot and many others.

The Quran mentions the names of 25 of the Biblical prophets including Jesus Christ the Messiah.
09:44 AM on 08/04/2010
More amazing, the fact that they don't read their own "Good Book". Instead of regurgitating a message told upon, they would rather believe what it is they are being taught than to understand it for it's true message. One of love and compassion to all.