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The Next Debate: How to Answer Romney

Posted: 10/08/2012 6:49 pm

The next Obama-Romney debate on October 16 will include foreign policy, and while the president's partisans will expect to see a newly assertive candidate, the foreign focus then and in the October 22 debate does not lend itself to such posturing. In fact, chances are strong that the debate will again be "won" by Romney, if Obama retreats to defensive mode.

Romney's speech today at Virginia Military Institute (VMI) held few surprises. His ideas about the America's role in the world are a mix of neocon wishes and platitudes that have no real policy meaning. I dissected these ideas nine months ago for the Huffington Post and little has changed in the former governor's views since. His two main thrusts were that "Obama has somehow squandered American pre-eminence in the world, and Romney vows to restore this greatness," I wrote in January. "The second is that Obama has let down our guard in ways that actually jeopardize U.S. security."

This is pretty much what he said at VMI. But I caution against expecting his debating points to closely reflect prior speeches. It's the same curve ball he threw last week.

I expect four topics to be the focus of Romney's debate strategy: the attack on the U.S. office in Benghazi, Libya, and its broader meaning for battling terrorism; the administration's failures to convert the Arab Spring into an American triumph; the growing nuclear threat from Iran (and the frosty relationship with Israel); and failures in managing trade relations, especially with China.

The last is likely to be a major point of attack, because of its implications for the U.S. economy. The VMI speech scarcely mentions trade or China, but Romney has pounded the "let's punish China" drum for several months.

Assuming Romney is again Alpha Male, Obama has a severe disadvantage in this upcoming debate: he cannot, as president, easily assume that aggressive persona, because what the president says actually matters in the world. Romney's advantage last Wednesday was that he could improvise at a moment's notice and disregard all his past statements, and Obama did not call him on it. This time, he can zing and it doesn't matter, either. But Obama has to tread carefully because a misstep has consequences in faraway places.

Still, there is enough fodder for Obama's rhetorical cannon.

On China: Romney has vowed "on Day 1" of his presidency to declare China a "currency manipulator" and impose tariffs. As columnist Tom Friedman explains it, what happens "on Day 2 when China, the biggest foreign buyer of U.S. debt securities, announces that it will not participate in the next Treasury auction, sending our interest rates soaring. That will make Day 3 really, really cool." Like a new global recession.

On war and terrorism: Romney made the peculiar claim at VMI that in the Middle East, "it's clear that the risk of conflict in the region is higher now than when the president took office." When Obama took office, we still had a pretty nasty conflict going in Iraq and an equally vexing conflict in Afghanistan, the Israelis had just attacked Gaza, and Pakistan looked to be headed over a cliff. The Bengazi killings, sad and possibly preventable, do not compare with 7,000 American dead during the Bush years in Iraq and Afghanistan, to say nothing of hundreds of thousands of civilians killed in the two wars. Those two wars were not only mismanaged by the Republicans, but Romney stood by Bush's policies every step of the way.

On Iran: Romney's bluster on Iran's nuclear program -- which U.S. intelligence assessments say is not a weapons program -- is perhaps the best example of his foreign policy naiveté. Not only did he display harrowing ignorance in the "47%" video -- showing he does not know the difference between a "dirty bomb" and a nuclear weapon -- but he has relentlessly called for more belligerence toward Iran without explaining how this would change their behavior. The sanctions Obama has imposed are the strongest ever, and they seem to be having an impact. How would Romney alter this? By putting a naval carrier group in the Gulf, ratcheting up the rhetoric, and giving more military assistance to Israel. (Note to Romney: there is a carrier group in the Gulf). This is not serious policy thinking.

On Syria: The neocon answer to seemingly every problem is to use armed force, an approach usually doomed to failure. Romney is risking this yet again, not only in Iran (he said at VMI that we should still be in Iraq, too), but in Syria. The dreadful situation in Syria does make Obama look indecisive, but part of the reason for not aiding the rebels more is to avoid being drawn into a major commitment. It will be easy to take potshots at this, but a war-weary electorate is unlikely to see another involvement as being attractive.

On the Arab Spring: Obama's actions during the tumult in Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, and Libya are not only defensible but showed a fairly nuanced grasp of an immensely complex and volatile situation. The U.S. denounced dictatorships in favor of democracy -- isn't that what we're supposed to do? Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt have had free and fair elections. Not everything is rosy but no one could reasonably expect more. Does Romney believe the United States should have tried to keep the Mubarak government in power?

On weakness: Romney and the GOP generally -- Paul Ryan will say this on Thursday -- like to get up on their hind legs about supposed lack of respect for America under Obama. One assumes this is in comparison with... George W. Bush? Consider the Pew Global Attitudes Survey. "'It is worth keeping in mind when talking about Obama and America's image, he is still considerably higher than during (the presidency of George W.) Bush,' [survey director Richard] Wike said. 'In 2009, we generally saw a real improvement in America's image (and) in general that pattern still holds.'"

It's possible that illegal immigration will be raised, too, though Romney's flip flopping on this issue makes him vulnerable. It would be impolitic to repeat his harsh rhetoric of the GOP primary season when he is now competing for votes in Florida, Colorado, and Virginia. But like he did with Big Bird and green jobs slurs in the last debate, he may want to throw a bone to the right-wing base.

Romney's foibles as a foreign policy candidate are plentiful and easy targets. Obama's record is fairly solid and has many genuine achievements. Even the flap about Israel is unlikely to burden him, given Netanyahu's extremism on Iran and the promiscuous building of Jewish settlements in Palestine.

Of course, Obama needs to own his achievements in a clear and cogent way, just as he needs to be a little unpresidential by getting in Romney's face about his reliance on military bluster. The opportunity is there, if Obama takes the time to prepare.

 
 
 

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09:17 AM on 10/13/2012
Benghazi is likely to come up in this debate. If so, Obama might say something like:
"So you want to blame me and the Democratic State Department for the Benghazi attack. You have no idea how hard the Americans work in the state department to protect all Americans. Then, you and the Republican congress decide to politicize the tragic deaths of four Americans by implicating people who have to decipher reams and reams of intelligence and to figure out where those who hate America will strike next. Well if the litmus test for effective foreign policy is whether we take the info given to prevent all American loss of life and we, the Democrats, are held liable for an attack that occurred on our watch. Then, what does that say about what happened on 9/11 on the Republican watch. Do you think it would be correct for me or other Democrats to hold you and the Republican State Department responsible for: failing to respond to all of the intelligence available that foretold that event, failing to adequately resource the military to address the growing Al-Qaeda threat, failing to focus resources on getting Osama Bin Ladin. How dare you condemn hard working Americans in the State Department facing unrest throughout the Middle East, when the worst potentially preventable event of our lifetime, occurred on Republican watch?"
01:56 AM on 10/10/2012
Obamacare will benefit Gov. Romney the most. He won't be denied Treatment for his pre-excisting condition- Amnesia.
11:56 PM on 10/09/2012
Romney will say anything to get elected, Obama will be prepared for which ever Mitt Romney that Shows up. The Oval Office is just a trophy to Mitt. His Record in Massachusetts is horrible. His approval Rate is right around 30%. He Wont Even Win the State he LED and he wants to lead the Country! What a Joke!
patricialjd
honor the genuine wherever it appears.
06:15 PM on 10/09/2012
Jim Lehler's gentlemanly demeanor during the debate leads me to believe that the next debate moderator needs to be Bill Maher......I don't think anyone could steamroll Maher. And a few sparks might fly....................I might even listen to all of it.
TeaPartier
Go Steelers! Go Pens! Go Bucs!
12:05 PM on 10/09/2012
I don't think Obama's gonna want to bring up China, what with the breaking scandal that the owner of Obama.com lives in Singapore and may be funneling lots of Chinese money into his campaign. The war on terrorism is gonna be hard for Obama to carry out with the half trillion he's cut from defense and with another half trillion in defense spending that's gonna go into effect at the end of the year, unless of course he intends to cut benefits to veterans. Iran? Meh, they're pretty much on the same page, Romney just says he would've gone to sanctions sooner and harder. Not sure the logic of Obama giving the Libyan rebels a hand and then refusing to give the Syrian rebels air cover and the like. It's not like the Libyan rebels were any less militant Islamist than the Syrian rebels.Yeah, the Arab String worked out well except for all the embassies we have burning across the region. They love us now.
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mgray34
Fighting ignorance one post at a time.
02:21 PM on 10/09/2012
And a Republican President would have done better? Since when has ANY US President tamed the middle east? 200 plus marines died in an embassy bombing under Reagan. Does the USS Cole ring a bell?

So all this Republican hype over Obama's foreign policy in the middle east is a bunch of melarchy especially when they haven't done much better.
TeaPartier
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02:34 PM on 10/09/2012
Obama's the one going around proclaiming his policies to be a success. I'm pointing out, they're not exactly spotless.
02:29 AM on 10/10/2012
Are you serious. Obama's foreign policy is solid! I'm in the Military and the President is Spot on in Terms of combat warfare. Conventional warefare is a Thing of the past! Over-the-horizon targeting/drone attacks and or specwarfare is the Way to engage today's threat. We do Not Need 15 New Navy Ships a Year as he stated in his so-called Major foreign policy Speech. Republicans always promote war but when it was their Turn to serve they didn't stand up. Mit has 5 sons and Not One has served this Country they Love so much. Mit and Other chicken
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08:42 AM on 10/10/2012
Foreign policy is solid? He doesn't even know enough to heed the requests for security from his embassador in Benghazi. What, we don't need that either?
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lovely09
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12:03 PM on 10/09/2012
So Romney is now on some kind of Bush 2.0 energy drink?
A war-happy draft-dodger. Mitt's a consistent, walking contradiction.
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Robert Secrist
those who forget are condemned to repeat
11:58 AM on 10/09/2012
You haven't been paying attention. At his recent speech on foreign policy, the amazing, shape shifting Romney said that Obama hasn't done enough to encourage democratic elements in the middle east. Surprise. Another etch-a-sketch moment. Only a few weeks back, Romney was soundly chastising the president for trying to d exactly that. Now it seems he has morphed into the Truman of our day. Oh .. and one more thing. Politico reports that the 180% shift at the debate was the result an "intervention" by Romney's family. Supposedly, they convinced patriarch Mitt, that he should show "more of his real self" to the public. So there you have it. Classic bait and switch. The Romney who has been running for the last two years isn't the "real" Romney. He's the bad guy cooked up by campaign advisers. Lo and behold, in steps family, at the last minute, to save the day. Just show them your true self dad. It's diabolically clever. An excuse to explain the last, gigantic, etch of the sketch that reveals his strong family ties at the same time.. In the end, Mitt goes with family instincts over the expensive, political professionals. I don't buy it for a minute. But I suspect many people will. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxch-yi14BE
11:30 AM on 10/09/2012
This was all predicted by Obama's Spotify playlist.

http://heartsandears.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/playing-it-safe/
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11:25 AM on 10/09/2012
Obama knows Romney's style of debating now, with the lies and flip flops and he will expose Romney in the next debate. This President knows full well the importance of winning the second debate and will be up to the task and put Romney back in the gutter where he belongs.
11:54 AM on 10/09/2012
teragramus is correct, the president needs to be careful. Romney is a shape shifter.
08:01 PM on 10/09/2012
IN YOUR DREAMS!!! Romney will smoke him again.. Obama knows nothing about what is happening in the job market or in the mid east.. nor does he care.. He does however care about hanging with Jay Z , and going on the view...
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teragramus
America needs a second party
11:10 AM on 10/09/2012
should be careful, though, ole etch a sketch is tricky

he'll drum it up into world war 3 on the campaign trail and then come into the debate as the great peacemaker of the world, leaving the president looking down at his notes in wonder again at how he can debate against his own positions
12:31 PM on 10/09/2012
Won't happen again and even Candy won't be able to stop Obama.Obama now knows he is dealing with a con artist and not someone who actually said he will defund planned parenthood or ban gay marriage constitutionally.

Funny, Bush was entitled to win a second term,accomplished nothing and lost the debates,yet Obama should lose on account of so called republican polls saying he lost the first debate....make a lot of sense...doesn't it.Obama should win for oh so many good reasons....just look at your little girl who has a disease and can now get health insurance!!!
04:20 PM on 10/09/2012
No... Obama not gonna win because household incomes are down 8.2% and less people are working today than in January 2009. What are you expecting to change? The financial reform didn't correct the cause of the credit bubble so obviously you and Obama are okay with the banks still making risky bets.

Anyway...it's not that Obama was holding back understand...Romney was smiling in his face while aggressively mocking him...Obama had an emotional shutdown "uh, uh, uh,uh...and don't expect him to suddenly change his stripes before the next debate.
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10:17 AM on 10/09/2012
"Of course, Obama needs to own his achievements in a clear and cogent way".....

Herein lies the problem.......After the first two minutes The President will be out of topics.......
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jdubhub
02:27 PM on 10/09/2012
And that's why Fox & Friends should not be considered a reliable source for the president's achievements.
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04:17 PM on 10/09/2012
Are you replying to my comment or having an imaginary conversation in your head?
02:59 PM on 10/09/2012
Then it should be a quick debate as Romney will be done before he even starts....
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the bay all day.....
10:08 AM on 10/09/2012
president obama will easily win the next to debates en route to winning the election.
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lovely09
I don't comment much, but when I do...
12:04 PM on 10/09/2012
And if history is any indication, President Obama really doesn't have to win any of them to be re-elected.

Kerry cleaned Bush's clock during their debates and yet...
09:52 AM on 10/09/2012
Actually, Mitt Romney has more foreign experience than you might imagine.

For example, during the Vietnam War he served the Mormon Church in Paris.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/30/mitt-romney-vietnam-draft-french-mormon-mission_n_1838260.html

Romney's Bain Capital adventures took him to Italy.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-06/romney-persona-non-grata-in-italy-for-bain-s-deal-skirting-taxes.html

Romney counts on Hong Kong for campaign contributions and has held stock in numerous Chinese companies including an oil company.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/romney-fundraiser-planned-thursday-hong-kong-184637562--election.html

and

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ee7de4d2-065b-11e2-bd29-00144feabdc0.html#axzz28oEXw59D

Romney recently visited England, where he embarrassed himself, Israel, where he embarrassed himself, and Poland, where he embarrassed himself. (Well, it's foreign policy experience, isn't it?)

And, of course, he has millions of dollars of his money stashed at one time or another in offshore tax havens such as the Cayman Islands, Switzerland, Ireland and Luxembourg.

So, Mitt Romney may not know the names of very many world leaders (while standing next to the British Prime Minister during a photo op in London Romney forgot the PM's name) I'll bet you even stephen that he knows the names of a good number of their bankers and tax consultants.
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12:17 PM on 10/09/2012
GREAT POST!
Fanned!
01:21 PM on 10/09/2012
Low-information and Republican voters (sometimes intersecting, in a Venn Diagram) will let your outstanding combination of irony and information go over their heads.

The "debate" (nothing of the sort when "Myth" Romney decided to tell lies contradicting everything he said before) had different meanings to different people. To Democratic voters, unfortunately, there're few positive ways to look at the outcome:

(a) Allowing Romney's lies to be put on record to 60 million viewers
(b) The idea that Obama was rope-a-doping Romney
(c) The faint possibiity more PAC money goes to Romney, away from down ticket races

For some other segments of the population, however, the debate was very good news. It had only a tangential relationship with the fact that Romney was LYING:

(a) The MSM now has their "horse-race", guaranteeing over-the-top ratings till election day
(b) Repubs (oblivious of Romney lies) feel they have a winner
(c) Low-information voters see the aggressive, confident Northern European they've been longing
to vote for ever since 2008. Romney just LOOKS more like Harrison Ford than Obama does.

After all, I'm grasping for the reason WHY Americans would wish to voucherize their Medicare, privatize their Social Security, make their country the workplace equivalent to Southeast Asia (in terms of worker's rights), gut any semblance of available health care, destroy women's access to decent rights OF ALL KINDS and entrust their Presidency to a Serial Liar.

I marvel at the power of closedmindedness to facilitate one's indignity.
09:10 AM on 10/09/2012
More tenured tripe from the Ivory Tower of a University Sage. The fruits of Donkeyism are self evident in Europe....and now in every country of the Middle East, save a few....with a little Radical Islam thrown in for good measure. Click on an Amazon link above to a book by the Sage. Then click on his name to show all his wisdom in print......I wonder which ones are University Text books....and which ones have to compete in the free market of ideals? I wonder how one could tell the difference? Just like Krugman...Donkeyism on display.
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religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
09:00 AM on 10/09/2012
Yet another academic and journalist who thinks he knows politics, or life in general.
Those who have never run for office or run a campaign know NOTHING about politics.
Just like fans on sports talk radio, telling Belichick how to win football games. Worse than useless.