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Guns on Campus: Ask the Virginia Tech Survivors, Not the Armchair Quarterbacks

Posted: 03/15/11 08:42 PM ET

At the Texas Capitol this Wednesday (March 16th), at 2pm or "upon final adjournment," there will be a public hearing on four bills that would force colleges and universities to allow handguns in classrooms. This hearing appears to have been scheduled -- while most students are away on spring break, and on the same day another controversial issue reaches the House floor -- in order to cut those affected out of the discussion. For the proponents of such legislation, the strategy is old hat: ignore the experts, the students, the parents, and the survivors.

In 2007, I lost my girlfriend, Maxine Turner, in the worst school shooting in American history. Only six weeks later, I began graduate school at the University of Texas. I spent a great deal of time during that first year in Texas asking difficult questions and searching for ways to prevent campus violence. When lawmakers first began pushing for guns in classrooms, I thought they must be confused.

It never occurred to me that lawmakers would stoop to using our tragedy to push an ideological agenda. I believed, naively, that if someone showed them the findings of the Virginia Tech Review Panel -- the nonpartisan commission tasked with identifying strategies to prevent future tragedies - they would work with me and the survivors to find a way forward that would improve campus safety.

The VT Panel included experts from law enforcement, national security, higher education, criminal psychology, adolescent psychiatry, the judiciary, and emergency medicine -- including Tom Ridge, President Bush's former Homeland Security czar, and Gerald Massengill, who led the investigation of the 9-11 attacks on the Pentagon and the 2002 D.C. sniper killings. This group of professionals dedicated their lives, for three difficult months, to understanding a terrible tragedy. They made over seventy recommendations for preventing future incidents (including one that guns not be allowed on college campuses).

The authors of the campus handgun legislation, in contrast, have expressed zero intellectual curiosity about the Virginia Tech shooting. They have filed no legislation relating to any of the other recommendations; they have called no hearings about the relevant issues; and unlike the Review Panel, Driver and Wentworth have not spoken to a single first responder or survivor of the shooting.

The bills' authors don't even seem to know what college campuses are like today, with Wentworth claiming that all teachers post grades rather than handing back papers personally (posting grades has become more difficult), and that there are no bars on campus by law in Texas (there are).

They clearly haven't even asked the experts right here in Texas: our higher education institutions and campus safety professionals, which overwhelmingly oppose these insidious bills. They're doing everything they can to cut students, parents, faculty, and staff out.

Only one other piece of legislation the Review Panel suggested has made it as far as the floor of either chamber: keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. That bill passed, despite many of the sponsors of the campus handgun legislation voting against it in the House.

If lawmakers want to improve campus safety, they should start by talking to the parents of the victims of tragedies. They should talk to Dr. Cowie, who testified in Florida against a similar bill after his daughter was accidentally shot by her boyfriend at a fraternity party. They should talk to the family of Devin Zimmerman, a librarian at Northeast Lakeview Community College who was murdered by a Texas handgun licensee.

They should ask Virginia Tech survivors Colin Goddard, Lily Habtu, Kristina Anderson, Garrett Evans, Erin Sheehan, and Emily Haas. Lawmakers should consult with the Samaha family, who lost their daughter Reema; and with Jocelyne Couture-Nowak's family. They should talk to Maxine's parents.

If lawmakers really want to push this legislation when faced with so many other important issues, they should at least be willing to hear what it's like to receive that phone call that every parent dreads. But they haven't done that. They haven't done their homework, because they care more about their ideological agenda than campus safety.

That agenda is guns everywhere, no questions asked. Utah and Iowa are seriously considering bills that allow concealed carry in public without permits. Arizona already passed such a bill in 2010. Utah has already reduced its concealed handgun permit requirements to a point that many Texans get Utah permits instead of the Texas license.

But most tellingly, the gun lobby went venue shopping in Lubbock, Texas, with an absurd lawsuit: they want to lower the minimum age for Texas concealed handgun licenses to eighteen. The judge, Sam Cummings, is almost certain to find in favor of the plaintiff. And Rep. Driver and Sen. Wentworth don't bat an eye while arguing their bills only apply to students who are over twenty-one.

I want students to feel safe on college campuses again. I want parents to feel safe when their kids are away at college -- and that safety is best left in the hands of our peace officers, not students. Parents have every reason to feel safe: at the University of Texas, for example, there have been only three murders in thirty years. Ninety-three percent of the violent crime against college students happens off-campus. When crime does occur on campus, it tends to be simple assault rather than aggravated assault. More guns cannot possibly make our campuses safer.

Reporters have occasionally said that the victims of the Virginia Tech shooting were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Philosophically, these lawmakers are in the wrong place at the wrong time. Maxine, my girlfriend, was in the right place: she was in German class on a Monday morning. Our students belong in class. Guns do not.

 

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04:56 PM on 03/22/2011
Mr. Woods,

Perhaps you should begin by lobbying for repealing the 2nd Amendment rather than just ignoring it.
12:43 AM on 03/23/2011
at least that would be honest
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
02:15 PM on 04/07/2011
The 2cnd Amendment can be limited or did you miss the latest court ruling?
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David Carson
04:14 PM on 04/08/2011
but nowhere near as much as you seem to think
01:32 PM on 03/22/2011
Herr Woods--you should not be surprised at politicians using tragedy to push a political agenda--your employer (the Brady Campaign) does it all the time
07:02 PM on 03/21/2011
The only group of people that support this are gun enthusiasts and gun proponets. The majority of police are opposed. The panel that reviewed the VTech shooting recommend banning guns. The majority of students are opposed. The overwhelming majority of proffesors are opposed. The majority of univesity employees are opposed. Common sense is opposed.
12:22 PM on 03/22/2011
Your post would be more accurate if you stated that police CHIEFS are opposed, but since self defense and the right to keep and BEAR arms are both fundamental--the police have relatively little say.
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reasonshouldrule
08:34 PM on 03/20/2011
Mr. Woods, thank you for a good article. As a retired professor at a major public university, I completely agree with you. Fortunately, my university did not allow guns on campus. I would have left the university if guns had been allowed.

And I would absolutely argue against my children or grandchildren attending a university that allowed students to have guns on campus. The whole matter is insane. And for all the gun advocates out there, don't bother to argue because I've heard it all before, and your points are not persuasive.

I believe in the 2nd amendment. But guns do NOT belong everywhere.
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JimInHouston
Arma virumque cano...
11:31 AM on 03/21/2011
"I would have left the university if guns had been allowed."

"And for all the gun advocates out there, don't bother to argue because I've heard it all before, and your points are not persuasive­."

Given your closed mindedness on the issue, your departure would have been a blessing. Also given that there would have been hundreds of applicants for your vacated position, your "loss" would have been hardly noted.
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reasonshouldrule
07:05 PM on 03/21/2011
You are very good at hurling insults which is a good sign you don't have a good argument.

You are extreme. You appear to think that guns belong everywhere. You claim to be a faculty member somewhere (of course, Texas might be way different from most universities), but most faculty members do not want gun-carrying students in their classrooms. You can argue that they are fine with it, but I'll bet if you take your own poll--and you are honest about it--that 9 out of 10 would not like guns in their classrooms.
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reasonshouldrule
07:32 PM on 03/23/2011
Jimi--re your post below. Several points:
1. Please read again the post you are replying to. I did not claim that my opinion was based on certain facts but rather on my own experience and that of my fellow faculty members. Experience is a powerful influence on people, so an opinion based on experience is generally considered valid.
2. I suggested (not to you, though) that I would seriously consider any valid data that shows my fears are unfounded.
3. "Blood in the streets" is not an argument used by most people arguing for common sense in the gun laws. It is, in fact, an argument used by people on YOUR side to distort the more valid reasons for prohibiting guns in certain venues. This is a common fallacy: distort--or make up--a reason opposed to your own position and argue against that distortion or lie. I have been part of the gun discussion since the early 70's, so I have seen and heard almost every argument on both sides.
4. If you have some data that illustrates your point, feel free to provide it. But it must be reliable data from a credible source and not full of fallacies.
5. Finally, the position that guns are allowed everywhere and anytime is not the position from which to argue. The 2nd amendment is absolutely NOT that straightforward. If you can read, you should already know this.
01:01 PM on 03/19/2011
While your girlfriend was inside, waiting for "the proper authorities" to come and save her, "the proper authorities" were outside waiting for Seung-Hui Cho to run out of bullets. If you want to abdicate all responsibility of protecting your life to the police, that is your right. But, it is not your right to condemn my loved ones or myself to the same fate as Maxine Turner. It's interesting that you are fighting so hard to ensure that the exact same scenario can happen again. Basically, if you had it all to do over again, you would do it all over again.
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JimInHouston
Arma virumque cano...
11:15 PM on 03/19/2011
This is in DISTINCT contrast to Suzanna Hupp, who, having lost loved ones in a mass murder as well, became a staunch and effective advocate for those measures that would make sure that this exact same scenario was less likely to be repeated.

Who has the most credibility?
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09:18 PM on 03/18/2011
And we are back to the 1800's and the wild west showdowns. America's obsession with destruction of each other won't stop because we are taught to be afraid from birth. There are 7, 8, & 9 yr olds taking guns to school and some children have died due to this madness. Go ahead, carry guns everywhere if you need to but I hope if something happens when the cops get there and see you with a gun in your hand your not the one shot down. The guy that took the gun out of the AZ shooter's hands almost was shot himself by an officer. Shot first, ask later, bury for sure.
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OdinsEye
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10:12 PM on 03/18/2011
The Wild West was not nearly as wild as the dime store novels made it out to be.

"There are 7, 8, & 9 yr olds taking guns to school and some children have died due to this madness"

This has what to do with concealed carry?

"The guy that took the gun out of the AZ shooter's hands almost was shot himself by an officer. "

Incorrect.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
02:21 PM on 04/07/2011
The guy that took the gun out of the AZ shooter's hands almost was shot himself by a bystander who had a concealed weapon
10:57 AM on 03/18/2011
thank you for this article and for all the work you have done. has anyone tried to survey current college students and teachers to find out whether they would feel more or less safe if people were allowed to carry guns on campus? i am planning to return to school in the fall, and i would transfer and take my tuition dollars elsewhere if students were suddenly allowed to carry guns around.
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OdinsEye
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06:17 PM on 03/18/2011
Do you also avoid grocery stores, malls, public parks, etc?
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OCerInTN
Hoplophobics worst nightmare.
03:22 PM on 03/19/2011
I think you will find this map helpful in your pursuit of hoplophobia.

http://opencarry.org/college.html

This map shows where firearms are allowed and disallowed by state law in relation to colleges.

Currently there are only 24 states that prohibit firearms on campuses by law.
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reasonshouldrule
07:13 PM on 03/21/2011
Thank you for this link. It was interesting but not entirely informative. For example, the chart shows Texas as prohibiting guns, but I've read several posters from Texas who claim they can carry.

Also, Michigan is shown as prohibiting concealed carry but not open carry. However, the Michigan university I taught at (a major one) did not allow guns on campus. I wonder why there are these discrepancies?
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pattio66
I'm here!!!
06:43 PM on 03/17/2011
Thank you, Mr. Woods - a close family member of mine was murdered. at NIU. She was right where she was supposed to be on that Valentine's Day - sitting in the front row of her class when a maniac burst in and opened fire. Her parents had to identify her body by a scar on her leg as there wasn't enough of her head left to do so. Anyone who thinks that more youngsters packing heat will somehow prevent such carnage just isn't able to use common sense, much less logic. Please accept my sincerest condolences for your loss.
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reasonshouldrule
07:16 PM on 03/21/2011
It's good to know that there are still some people with common sense on this thread. F&F
12:26 PM on 03/22/2011
how is advocating for civilian disarmament common sense and not channeling George Wallace after Brown vs Board of Education?
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johnny g locker
04:43 PM on 03/17/2011
There are 32 people from the VA Tech shooting that I would like to ask one question: Do you wish you were armed with a handgun that fateful day?

But I cannot as they are no longer with us.

I bet all 32 wish they were armed that day to defend themselves against insanity.
07:20 PM on 03/17/2011
And I bet every one of those people had expert aim and a steady hand. How wonderful it would have been for 32 handguns to simultaneously rain bullets on the lone assailant, not hitting a single innocent person in the heated confusion.
01:22 AM on 03/18/2011
the people in the first classroom might not have been able to do much, but it doesn't take long for someone with training to get the people OUT of the line(s) of fire between what cover there is for the CCW holder(s) and the door
12:03 AM on 03/18/2011
My guess is that they probably would wish not to be there that day.
11:56 AM on 03/17/2011
The author has yet to answer how allowing concealed carry on campus' will lead to more VT style shootings, given that guns were banned on the VT campus at the time of the shooting.I had posted this comment before but predictably it was never allowed to see the light of day. I suspect because the author, or whoever moderates this thread, realizes that this single salient fact disproves the authors entire point. Face it, had even one student, teacher, or janitor on teh VT campus been armed and in the area, Maxine Turner and many, if not all the rest, may still be alive today.
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Floridafish
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04:12 PM on 03/17/2011
The fact that you need an answer should be all you need to know.

I've owned guns. Many guns. Living in Florida as a kid we hunted and shot guns everyday and even I think this bill is insane. MORE guns in the classroom wouldn't have solved anything at VT and won't here. You armchair cowboys should STOP watching teevee and STOP believeing everybody shoots straight. They don't, especially when being shot at. Ask any cop and they will tell you the same. Also, stop being so ignorant or thinking the rest of us are because we're not.
10:25 AM on 03/18/2011
"The fact that you need an answer should be all you need to know."

This response makes zero sense. For one, the question was rhetorical, because it need not be answered. Banning goes does not, has not, and never will stop gun violence. Period. If simply declaring that an area is a "gun free zone" prevented these types of tragedies, the VT shootings never would have happened. That you are unable to comprehend such a basic logical point says much about you. Second, the author, despite the fact that he knows full well VT was a :gun free zone: at the time of the shootings still tries to claim that banning guns on campus' will make campus' safer. This flies in the face of what is known about this and other incidents.
10:25 AM on 03/18/2011
As to your illogical "more guns wouldn't have solved anything" argument you, mnore than most should know this to be a bald-faced lie. As a resident of Florida (my own home state) you should know that sine the liberalization of Florida's gun laws, crime, especially violent crime has in fact gone down more than in areas where gun laws were made more restrictive. In other words in the state of Florida, and many others, more guns has in fact led to less violence. Finally, I would point out that I am a CCP holder in Florida, and that as such, I am one of those people this law would allow to carry on campus. I do shoot straight, and I spend at least 5 hours a week at the range to ensure that I do so I My position is not based on "teevee" it is based on the facts. It is based on having attended training lectures and classes by Massad Ayoob among others, it is based on reality. Bottom line, you are ignorant, and from your comments I suspect it is willful ignorance. In other words its not that you don't know any better, its that you intentionally choose to disregard the facts. Which IMO is far, far worse.
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onionboy
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11:44 AM on 03/17/2011
It's all about being scared.
12:21 PM on 03/17/2011
good to see that you are willing to admit that your civilian disarmament advocacy is based on fear Onionboy
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onionboy
Blessed are the Cheese Makers
06:15 PM on 03/17/2011
Super clever. You certainly have me outgunned in a war of razor sharp repartee.
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hagagaga
My comments are funnier than yours.
12:28 AM on 03/17/2011
Of course I can ask a "Virginia Tech survivor" and get a reasonable answer. They founded Students for Concealed Carry on Campus.
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db08
Embrace each moment, each day
10:56 PM on 03/16/2011
Once again the NRA and the gun lobbies are holding the rest of us hostage by using fear and anxiety tactics by insisting guns should be everywhere. It isuggests a very false sense of security. There is no compromise with these people no matter how much pain and carnage occurs. They just want to create more opportunities for the mentally ill and thos who have poor anger management issues to have access to guns. All of this to keep the gun manufacturers wealthy.
11:40 PM on 03/16/2011
db==if you disagree with the right to keep and BEAR arms, you can always try to repeal the 2nd amendment
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db08
Embrace each moment, each day
12:02 AM on 03/17/2011
The second amendment says nothing about guns in our classrooms. You need to bear arms to feel secure. So be it but not in my classroom. You hide your fears and anxiety behind our constitution and use it to try to bully the rest of us. All the time you are being used.
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Lorindol
I shall consider it . . .
12:19 PM on 03/17/2011
Nah, we'll just regulate it to a reasonable degree. Allowing guns on campus is not reasonable.
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schotts
Work hard, play harder
11:58 PM on 03/16/2011
Don't think I understand. Your being held captive? Against your will? Who is "rest of us"? Does that include the 60+ million gun owners that are NOT members of the NRA?

Are you saying the NRA condones mentally ill having guns? Please provide evidence this is the case.

All this to keep gun manufacturers wealthy? Where do you some of you get this stuff?

Drug cartels seek profits and wealth as well. Don't do drugs.
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db08
Embrace each moment, each day
12:09 AM on 03/17/2011
You can own all the guns you want. I do not want them in my classrooms. If yiu do not understand about the NRA and gun manufacturers that is your problem.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
08:23 PM on 03/16/2011
"They should talk to the family of Devin Zimmerman, a librarian at Northeast Lakeview Community College who was murdered by a Texas handgun licensee."

The permit held by the gunman, Alan Godin, expired 6 years before the shooting.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
09:02 PM on 03/16/2011
And that is IF he actually had a permit to carry concealed at all. There appears to be some indication that the author for the source article assumed that a permit was needed to have a firearm.
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Lorindol
I shall consider it . . .
12:22 PM on 03/17/2011
There appears to be some indication that you don't have your facts straight.