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An Electoral College Tie: Far More Likely Than You Think

Posted: 04/17/2012 4:13 pm

While, from the perspective of the calendar, it is obviously very early in the presidential race, the outcome may be far more set in stone than most observers are willing or able to admit. I have said during the primaries that a presidential election is far more like a poker game where most of the cards have already been drawn, than like a sports contest where, theoretically, anything can happen after the start of play (for the record, I have worked as a polling analyst at a major university and commissioned two major polls for a feature documentary film I did after the 2008 election).

For all intents and purposes, the only cards yet to be dealt in this 2012 race are the VP pick, the debate and the economy cards. Frankly, there is a very good chance that Mitt Romney's VP pick will purposely not move the needle, that the debates will be a wash, and that the perception of the economy (no matter how hard the media tries) will remain pretty much what it currently is. Given these assumptions, it is quite possible to make an educated prediction about how the election will turn out.

What is most amazing about all of this is how incredibly likely an electoral college tie currently appears to be. Last night I went to www.270towin.com and predicted the election state by state. Without concern for the overall outcome my map resulted in a 269-269 tie. Remarkably, my map doesn't contain anything close to a massive upset and makes perfect sense as a broader narrative for the election (in other words, there are no results which contradict one other like Romney winning Pennsylvania but somehow losing Virginia, which wouldn't make a lot of sense).

This is not to say the map I came up with doesn't need some explaining.

The most "surprising" outcomes I predicted are probably Romney winning Iowa, Nevada, and New Hampshire, while also losing Virginia. Each has a logical rationale.

Romney has campaigned heavily in Iowa twice now and the people there know him fairly well. President Obama only won Iowa in 2008 by nine points and, given the state of the economy, there is little doubt that he could easily lose five points off his vote total in any given state. That would make Iowa a true toss up.

Nevada has a heavy Mormon population and Romney has won it easily twice in primaries. Meanwhile, the state has been hit as hard as any other economically and Obama has twice made damaging statements about businesses not going there to visit. Romney has a real shot here.

New Hampshire is Romney's second home and neighbors (with lots of its refugees) the state he governed. While its motto "Live Free or Die" is somewhat overrated, there is still an anti-government bent there. Obama only won the state by nine points in 2008. Per electoral college vote, I think New Hampshire is the most important state in 2012 as many of Obama's paths to 270 are blocked without him winning it.

The most significant state overall will likely be Virginia, and here I think it will be very close with Obama ultimately prevailing. The reasoning here is that the intensity of the federal workers in the northern part of the state to come out and vote against Romney will be stronger than the urge by the heavily evangelical southern section to vote for a Mormon. If I were working for the Romney campaign, I would urge them to buy at least a couple of houses (with, or without, car elevators) in southern Virginia.

So, as you can see, an electoral college tie is hardly far-fetched. It may even be likely. If this scenario were to transpire, it would mean that the newly-elected House of Representatives would chose the president (assuming the media didn't convince a Romney elector to bolt to Obama) in a state-by-state vote, which would almost certainly mean that Obama would be sent packing. Interestingly, the Senate would chose the vice president, which could mean chaos if the Republicans don't take over complete control.

Again, this is an early, though educated, predication. No ones knows for sure what will happen, but barring significant and surprising events, this particular scenario is far more likely (as well as potentially dangerous) than anyone seems to currently realize.

 

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nk5otr
03:25 PM on 06/15/2012
Here is another way to get a tie. Obama takes Nevada, Colorado, New Hampshire, Virginia. Romney takes Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida, Iowa.


http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=mTI
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nk5otr
03:20 PM on 06/15/2012
If the electoral college is tied, each state delegation gets one vote. As of 2012, the Republcicans have a majority of Representatives in 33 delegations in the House of Representatives, Democrats control 16 and one state, Minnesota is tied. Those numbers are not likely to change much in the 2012. Democrats might take a majority of seats in Illinois and might make New Hampshire a tied delegation, but after the 2012 elections, the Republicans will likely control at least 31 states in the House.
05:54 PM on 06/05/2012
If this scenario were to occur - a very strong possibility ans assuming the Rep hold the House and the Dems the Senate there is also one other factor that needs to considered:

a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.

Do the minority Party in both the House and Senate could scuttle this by simply not being present so that a quorum could occur!!! This would rule!!!!

Total freaking mayhem!
07:44 PM on 05/03/2012
Except Nevada and New Hampshire show significant Obama leads right now. I think if Romney were to take those, he would win big, not just tie.
02:22 PM on 04/19/2012
Romney's in a bind. To get the GOP base, he's been swinging more to the right, even while his own advisor publicly states that he'll run back toward the center after the nomination. So a large number of GOP voters already do not trust Romney to stay all the way over to the right, and another group are bound to be disappointed when he takes more centrist positions in the fall. Of course, he could try to run a hard right campaign, but that would mean he would forfeit the independent voters who could have otherwise voted for him.

It is more likely that a majority of GOP voters will vote for Romney as an anti-Obama statement (just as Dems pulled the lever for Kerry in 2004), and that a faction of GOP voters and independents will refuse to vote for either candidate.

We also cannot dismiss the large numbers of working class and female voters likely to vote for Obama as an anti-GOP statement, given the GOP's unfortunate record during Obama's presidency. GOP state houses voting to restrict womens' rights and attack unions have left a pretty bad taste. This will not be a landslide, but Romney has a significant uphill battle in front of him. Of course, people could just listen to Dick Morris, who's trying to peddle the spectacular idea that this will be a GOP blowout of 15 points.
02:17 PM on 04/19/2012
Under this scenario, we must believe that:

1. Romney will purposefully name a VP candidate who doesn't make any difference to his ticket. This makes little sense - Romney will certainly try to get someone who can attract the harder right-wing voters to whom he has been having trouble appealing during the primary battles. It's unlikely he'll make a mistake like McCain did with Palin, but whoever he gets will be intended to get him votes from that group.

2. The debates will be "a wash". This assumes that Romney will become a much more energetic and exciting debater, and that Obama will suddenly falter in the one area that even his critics acknowledge is his greatest strength. The more likely scenario here is that Romney will struggle to hold his own in the debates and the right wing will try to spin it that Romney "won".

3. That Romney will be able to get enough GOP and independent voters enthusiastic about his candidacy to vote for him in these numbers. Romney's campaign history does not bear this out. It's more likely that he will continue to make critical gaffes, and that the pile of unfortunate statements already on the record will be held up for repeat viewing by Obama's reelection campaign.
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wikwox
So there I was, playing the piano....
08:57 AM on 04/18/2012
Perhaps the worst part of the constitution is the Electoral College, it makes the votes of many irrelevent including myself. The ""winner takes all" part means that the votes of many go for naught, even if the difference is small. I've read all the arguments that the electoral college is good and necessary, I find them an academic worthless word festival. The potential for the college to yet again hand the win to the candidate who got fewer votes is intolerable, restore majority rule and flush this anachronism to hell.
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mvy
05:40 PM on 04/18/2012
The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC).

Every vote, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in presidential elections. No more distorting and divisive red and blue state maps. There would no longer be a handful of 'battleground' states where voters and policies are more important than those of the voters in more than 3/4ths of the states that now are just 'spectators' and ignored after the primaries.

When the bill is enacted by states possessing a majority of the electoral votes– enough electoral votes to elect a President (270 of 538), all the electoral votes from the enacting states would be awarded to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and DC.

The bill has passed 31 state legislative chambers in 21 states. The bill has been enacted by 9 jurisdictions possessing 132 electoral votes - 49% of the 270 necessary to go into effect.

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DoubleYellowLines
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08:39 AM on 04/18/2012
I think one of the premise points is false - I don't see the debates as being a wash. Romney simply can't match Obama in a toe-to-toe debate. That's not going to have any effect on either end of the spectrum, but might swing some independents, and might be enough to push a swing state or two.
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demisfine
Often correct, NEVER right.
09:58 AM on 04/18/2012
Fanned for facts, logic and reason.
Thanks.
07:50 AM on 04/18/2012
this map though requires OBama to lose Ohio and Fl, if that happens I think Obama would be happy with a tie
05:47 AM on 04/18/2012
While its motto "Live Free or Die" is somewhat overrated, there is still an anti-government bent there.

http://www.nocommit.com/
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white mende man
Ask me if I care about your prejudice
02:07 AM on 04/18/2012
in 1984 I remember when the media was all over themselves even the day before the elections, saying that Jimmy Carter had an even chance against Ronald Reagan. Mitt Romney will NOT be winning the presidential elections come November 6th, Americans have NOT forgotten the years between 2000-2008 nor have they forgotten the last 4 years of DO-NOTHING Republican Congress either.
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liberalpolicysucks
Government IS the problem
12:09 AM on 04/19/2012
Do you mean the first 2 years of that when the Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate?

Or their lack of a budget?
12:41 AM on 04/18/2012
Obama fans?
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ancientuno
12:30 AM on 04/18/2012
What is the point of voting for a President when the Electoral College can over ride the popular? No wonder the American political system is so dysfunctional.
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mvy
05:42 PM on 04/18/2012
With the National Popular Vote bill, every vote, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in presidential elections.

When the bill is enacted by states possessing a majority of the electoral votes– enough electoral votes to elect a President (270 of 538), all the electoral votes from the enacting states would be awarded to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and DC.

The bill has passed 31 state legislative chambers in 21 states. The bill has been enacted by 9 jurisdictions possessing 132 electoral votes - 49% of the 270 necessary to go into effect.

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CenaW
Did you know AOL belongs to A L E C
11:13 PM on 04/17/2012
Ok, the election is not until November. Not a single Republican will openly reveal their plans, Romney even said if the told them no one would vote for them.
Seems like someone from the so called news business would be asking. . .
But already we are being swamped with propaganda and fake polls.
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CenaW
Did you know AOL belongs to A L E C
11:11 PM on 04/17/2012
More propaganda when the fact is there hae not been enough Republican base voters since the Clinton elections.
All this bs like the fake poll numbers put up for Romney today and this and other similar nonsense. . . .
Get ready everyone, the Republicans are now certain they can steal the vote in enough precincts to have at least another appointed President.
Are we really going to allow it?