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Jon Davidson

Jon Davidson

Posted: October 8, 2010 11:57 AM

On Wednesday, October 6, I participated in a public panel discussion of the Perry vs. Schwarzenegger case and the constitutionality of denying same-sex couples the freedom to marry. Hosted by the renowned public policy organization The Aspen Institute, the program was to include Chuck Cooper (counsel for the Proponents of Prop. 8 in the Perry case), Matt McGill (one of the senior lawyers for the plaintiffs in the case), and Prof. Helen Alvare of George Mason Law School (who has worked in the past for the National Conference of Catholic Bishops and has assisted the Holy See). The dialogue was to be recorded and made available online.

The day before the program was to be held, CSPAN indicated it was interested in televising the discussion. Hearing this, Chuck Cooper refused to participate and withdrew, based on opposition to having his discussions of the case appear in any way that could be seen by judges who might rule upon the case. At this point, Prof. Alvare also objected to a recording of the dialogue even being placed online (although that had been part of the terms of the original invitation) because, she said, prior public debates she had participated in had led to her receiving threatening phone calls and her husband urged her not to do something that might lead to that recurring. As a result, CSPAN was disinvited and the discussion was not put online.

While these events may not seem momentous, they are emblematic of a frightening strategy increasingly used by the opponents to equal rights for gay people. The Perry trial could not be televised, they argued, because expert witnesses, whose job is explaining their views to the public, might be intimidated by the public attention. Now, apparently, even discussions of the case are to be shielded from the general public. The narrative they have used to justify this is that they supposedly are the victims, not those whose rights they seek to deny. Gay people are the bullies, they assert, not those who discriminate against and harass us. They are afraid, they say, although we are the ones repeatedly murdered or driven to suicide.The truth is that their arguments are built upon nothing more than fear and stereotypes and they do not want to have their sound-bites subjected to evidentiary or sustained analytic scrutiny by the public.

This strategy of secrecy was also employed in the Doe vs. Reed case, which was heard by the United States Supreme Court earlier this year. In that case, the group that sought to place an initiative on the Washington ballot to repeal the state's domestic partnership law claimed that those who signed petitions to place that measure on the ballot had to have their identity kept secret, lest they be targeted for harassment. Although the United States Supreme Court ruled that petition signers in general have no right to privacy, the antigay group is continuing with the lawsuit, claiming that theirs is a special case. Similarly, the National Organization for Marriage, which has raised millions of dollars to support ballot measures to prevent same-sex couples from marrying or entering civil unions, has filed lawsuits in several states to keep the identity of its donors secret.

Our nation has much to fear from these tactics. Allowing those who would deprive others of their rights to act in secrecy allows them to act free of any accountability. While the histories and tolls of racism and homophobia are not the same, banning efforts to oppress others without accountability is the reason why there are laws that prohibit members of the KKK from engaging in their activities in hoods. Such concealment is not part of our American tradition. As even conservative stalwart Justice Scalia said in his opinion in the Doe vs. Reed case:

"There are laws against threats and intimidation; and harsh criticism, short of unlawful action, is a price our people have traditionally been willing to pay for self-governance. Requiring people to stand up in public for their political acts fosters civic courage, without which democracy is doomed. For my part, I do not look forward to a society which ... campaigns anonymously... and even exercises the direct democracy of initiative and referendum hidden from public scrutiny and protected from the accountability of criticism. This does not resemble the Home of the Brave."

In the 1970's, there was a song called The Revolution Will Not Be Televised, but with 24-hour news and the internet, much has changed in the coverage of public debate. If we allow political efforts to take away civil rights to proceed under the cover of secrecy, and give in to those who object to even having public discourse about those efforts be televised, this country will be in even more serious trouble.

 

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05:13 PM on 10/12/2010
The Aspen Institute's mission is twofold: to foster values-based leadership, encouraging individuals to reflect on the ideals and ideas that define a good society, and to provide a neutral and balanced venue for discussing and acting on critical issues. In that spirit, The Aspen Institute hosted a dialogue on the ongoing national debate on marriage by couples of the same sex. This event invited panelists on both sides and was open to the public.

After receiving C-SPAN's unexpected request to broadcast this dialogue approximately 24 hours before the discussion, The Aspen Institute declined the network's offer due to valid concerns from panelists. This important dialogue proceeded for a packed public audience which included members from prominent Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) organizations, law firms and law schools, as well as for dozens of members invited directly by Lambda Legal.

In a time of hot debate and divisiveness, the four panelists stepped up to have a dialogue on this issue which exemplifies how people can work together in a respectful, candid and balanced forum. The Aspen Institute is grateful to each of the panelists and to the general public who attended this dialogue and shared their various legal interpretations on this issue.


Tom Loper – Event Organizer
Meryl Chertoff – Event Moderator and Director, The Justice and Society Program
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07:48 PM on 10/14/2010
"Values-based leadership".. Sounds like code for the Christian version of Sharia law.. In this country law must have a basis beyond simple belief. And given the way they freely advertise their names, it is obvious that the true issue isn't harassment. The true issue is a fear of being recorded and having their arguments exposed as baseless and irrational.
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03:54 AM on 10/15/2010
Since there is no longer a separation of Church and State, it is time we start taxing the church, including their vast real estate holdings.
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Hardyman1966
The antonym of liberal is INTOLERANT.
04:44 PM on 10/11/2010
Anyone desiring public office who is running from questions or a debate needs to be called out as much as possible. It is a scathing testimony as to the lack of any real position they think they have. If you feel that strongly against something, either defend your position or go home and let someone else do the job.
06:52 PM on 10/10/2010
Go ahead and televise the debate. Go ahead and ask the questions. Show several seconds of empty podium for the proponents response to each question. The moderator should make it clear that the "proponents" were invited to appear and to respond. Use the extra time to delve deeper into the actual issues. The resulting debate may seem one-sided, but that is by the choice of the proponents.
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LynnW49
"A great democracy must be progressive." TR
03:01 PM on 10/10/2010
I'm stunned that Scalia got it right: "Requiring people to stand up in public for their political acts fosters civic courage, without which democracy is doomed." And dismayed that he did not consider how he helped to doom democracy when concurring with Justice Roberts' opinion on Citizens United, a ruling that has allowed secrecy for donors who are showing no "civic courage" as they fund anti-gay, anti-choice, pro-corporatocracy, and pro-theocracy candidates.
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talkstocoyotes
01:24 AM on 10/10/2010
It's not surprising that the defenders of this anti-civil rights amendment didn't want it televised. Chuckie Cooper and his little band of "defendent intervenors" put up such an incompetent defense that if the trial were televised the case might well have been nicknamed "The Three Stooges Go To Court." And, of course, neither the LDS Church nor the Church of Rome want publicity of how dirty their hands got.
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Jdaddy1951
10:26 PM on 10/08/2010
They don't want to be seen for the idiots and bigots they are -- that's why they objected to being televised. Cowards!
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ianmcc
Those who you let anger you conquer you
08:05 PM on 10/09/2010
There was a reason 50 yrs ago that klansmen wore hoods and it's the same reason that anti-gay bigots don't want to be seen on tv today, they can't spread their verbal poison of hatred and intimidation as effectively if they are not cloaked in secrecy.
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Jdaddy1951
08:41 PM on 10/09/2010
If THEY won't take off the masks, then its up to the rest of us to do it for them. Hunt them out and denounce them publicly.
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JohnBisceglia
08:52 PM on 10/08/2010
Putting human rights up for a popular vote needs to stop NOW, as does the public lies and hate speech that lead directly to teen suicides and gay-bashing deaths. It's time to HOLD PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE for their words when those words inspire others to kill themselves or others.

I believe in SELF-DEFENSE, and think it's time we do some "preventative" self defense measures in 2010 elections.
07:43 PM on 10/08/2010
I'd suggest there's something odd about having views one wouldn't defend publicly.
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JoeNCA
03:56 PM on 10/08/2010
These people spend $40 million to televise their arguments, and then won't televise them one more time for free?
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TBJ
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03:41 PM on 10/08/2010
When they were campaigning for Prop8, they lied and said that churches would be forced to marry gays, and that their children would learn about and be drawn into being gay in school.

When they went to trial to defend it, they completely changed their talking points to "marriage is about raising kids, and a mommy and daddy is best".

They'll paint things however they want, and that works best in the shadows. And it works best when you keep people from realizing that you're not the victim you claim to be.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
07:44 PM on 10/10/2010
Notice how they act like certain varieties of insect?. As long as there is darkness, they love to come out and play. The minute light is shed on their deceit and misrepresentation, they want to hide. Victim status that they claim is merely a smokescreen.
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AnastasiaBeaverhausen
03:39 PM on 10/08/2010
You know, if they aren't willing to do this stuff televised then why give them a forum to speak at all? Why should these people be able to dictate to the Aspen Institute the terms of their appearance? The AI should have gone ahead with the program as it was initially envisioned and under the terms expressed in the initial invitations, then they could have gone on tv, or online and stated that so-and-so from wherever decided not to participate because they didn't want their views broadcast even though that was a condition of their invitation in the first place. Then go on and have the discussion without them. They need the publicity worse than the gays do at this point so make them earn it, if they want to be able to spread their message then they can man up and do it for the cameras.
10:38 AM on 10/09/2010
Agreed!
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
07:45 PM on 10/10/2010
And they characterise GLBT people as sissies! If they cannot be man enough to admit what they believe (especially on a free forum), then they are not man enough to deny us our rights.
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Paul Schappaugh
Queer Activist for EQuality
03:36 PM on 10/08/2010
Bigotry and hate don't look or sound so good when exposed to sunlight. Even if it is all dressed up in its Sunday best.
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Bill J4321
03:25 PM on 10/08/2010
It's rather odd that anti-gay heterosexuals seem to think that they can change the rules of gameplay simply because it is gay citizens they seek to harm.

Odder still that Americans are allowing this.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
03:03 PM on 10/08/2010
Why are the pro-Prop H8 people so unwilling to have open discussion? Is it because they know that they really have no points to score in the argument? Other than religious bigotry there is no real reason to deny GLBT Americans full civil rights and that includes the right to legal civil marriage with all the rights and protections that that entails.
10:42 AM on 10/09/2010
This is all of a piece for them. Having followed the trial, it's no wonder the Pro H8's didn't want it televised. It was a joke. Judge Vaughn's opinion was a masterwork, citing chapter and verse from the transcript and eviscerating every silly argument they put forward.

If my facts, reasoning and arguments were that bad, I wouldn't want it on TV either. Once again they run from putting their position to the test.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
07:46 PM on 10/10/2010
Agreed. The trial showed them to be the haters that they are and they know it.
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eyecon
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02:14 PM on 10/08/2010
Their problem is simple, they lack a cogent SECULAR argument because this is all about religion/superstition. I just read EPPC's amicus brief. Their conclusion is essentially that Judge Walker did not decide the case fairly because he is a queer.

"What can possibly account for the remarkable series of errors discussed in this brief? Simple incompetence is not a plausible explanation."

The Christianists need to come to terms with the fact that marriage equality is inevitable. Their time and money would be better invested in feeding the poor or housing the homeless - something positive.
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MeRainyday
Green Progressive for Equality
02:32 PM on 10/08/2010
They also need to come to terms with the difference in America between Civil Marriage and Religious Marriage. Our laws actually respect only CIVIL marriage. All relgious ceremonies are strictly ceremonial.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
03:00 PM on 10/08/2010
Wish I could fan you twice but have fanned you. I find it reprehensible that all this money is spent by the Christianists to try to stop marriage equality when then should be doing positive things with that money, like feeding the poor, funding housing solutions, etc. This mania with trying to deprive GLBT Americans of full civil rights shows the true depth of their so-called Christianity.