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Nobody Gets to Say Who Is and Who Is Not Catholic

Posted: 10/05/2012 11:16 am

My organization, Catholics for Choice was the subject of a bizarre attack from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) this week.

Sister Mary Ann Walsh, the director of media relations for the USCCB, took to her blog in a pathetic attempt to discredit CFC as a legitimate voice for Catholics in the United States. She expressed concern that "sleepy editors" or "inexperienced journalists" would be taken in by us, simply because we describe ourselves as Catholic. She said that we are not Catholics and we don't know Catholicism. Walsh is sadly wrong on both counts. Any cursory visit to CFC's website will give a reader the opportunity to learn more about Catholic teaching and church law about reproductive health than would a visit to many diocesan websites. And as to my Catholicism, perhaps I'll send her copy of my baptismal certificate, though I doubt she'd be appeased.

But this is not just about CFC. It's about Walsh presenting herself as the arbiter of who's Catholic. It's kind of like letting the Tea Party decide who's American, isn't it? Just like them, Walsh doesn't let the facts get in the way of her message. With her ham-fisted blog, Walsh insults the hundreds of groups and millions of Catholics who choose to remain part of the church while raising legitimate voices of dissent.

Her appeal to guarding the "brand" of Catholicism is simply crass. The Catholic church is not Apple or Google, global corporations that zealously police the use of their brand, siccing corporate lawyers on anybody who dares use their name in vain. The church's brand control over individuals ends the minute a person is baptized. From that point forward, we have the right -- and the responsibility -- to speak as Catholics on matters of social justice, including those that involve sex, sexuality and reproduction. Understandably, this makes Walsh and her bosses nervous because all too often, the bishops haven't said or done the right thing on these issues.

We base our support for access to reproductive health services on the long-standing traditions within Catholicism. We are part of the great majority who believe that the teaching on the primacy of conscience means that every individual must follow his or her own conscience -- and respect the rights of others to do the same. As Catholics we take seriously our obligations to know and thoughtfully consider Catholic teaching. And in coming to our positions on abortion, family planning and other issues we have done so, and continue to do so. We didn't make this up. We've got saints, cardinals, theologians and millions of Catholics on our side.

As somebody intimately familiar with the ways of the church, Sister Mary Ann knows that nobody gets to say who is and who is not Catholic. Not the priests, not the bishops and not the pope. One is a Catholic after baptism. Period. She might have her own opinions about who is a good Catholic or a bad Catholic, but her claims that we aren't Catholic needs some fact-checking.

The good sister may be jealous of the media attention we get. She may be upset at the quality of our arguments. She may find the statistics that we use disconcerting. I would, if I were her, as they show that the positions taken by the bishops have been resoundingly rejected by Catholics in the pews. But it's interesting that she chose not to, or more likely couldn't, address the basis of our arguments. So she resorts to demonizing us.

Sister Mary Ann's rant was addressed to the new public editor at the New York Times, Margaret Sullivan. It seems that she thinks that a senior editor at the Times will be intimidated into ignoring the legitimate and widely supported arguments of those who are not granted the bishops' blessing. We know that we speak for the majority in the church. And we are happy to continue to forge our path, knowing that it is one that will be well-traveled by our fellow Catholics for choice.

As to Ms. Sullivan, and her many fine colleagues in the Fourth Estate, I am pretty sure they know that if they want the U.S. bishops' opinion on something, they can give Sister Mary Ann a call. But when they want to know what Catholics think, they know to call somebody else. CFC will always be happy to take that call.

 

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10:39 PM on 12/01/2012
Guess who gets to say who is and who is not a Catholic? The Pope.
05:58 PM on 11/01/2012
Protestants have been baptized. Are they Catholics also?
01:49 PM on 10/29/2012
If "Nobody Gets to Say Who Is and Who Is Not Catholic" then you, Mr. O'Brien don't get to say who is and who is not Catholic, either. By your logic you cannot claim that you and your organization are legitimately Catholic.
But I happen to disagree with you. The Catholic Church, headed by the Pope and the College of Cardinals have the absolute right to say who is and who is not Catholic. It's called "excommunication."
You will not leave the Church of your birth because what you really want is it's destruction. Remember Jesus promised that "the gates of Hell shall not prevail against" his Church. And Jesus does not / cannot lie.
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03:45 AM on 10/25/2012
CFC is NOT a legitimate voice for Catholics in the United States. It is nothing more than a self-appointed group of individuals operating under the illusion that they represent someone. They represent no one except the pathetically small number of those who have become members.

They certainly do not represent Catholicism. There are specific ways of coming to know the content of the Catholic faith. There can be no mistaking what is Catholic and what is not if the proper steps are taken to discover the Metaphysical and moral content of the Catholic Faith.

Words have a certain integrity and definition or we are lost the vagaries of misuse and individual arrogance. For example, I cannot claim to be a Communist while asserting a belief in the existence of God. By definition one cannot be a communist and hold that God exists. Not only because of the explicit rejection of the idea of God within communist ideology but because a belief in God transforms communism beyond all recognition. A belief in God effects every other aspect of the communism as an intellectual, internally consistent paradigm.

Can you tell me what the Constitution says? No only the Supreme Court can tell me what the Constitution says.
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06:52 PM on 10/24/2012
A distinction has to be made between cathlolics who have ideas and opinions that they hold personally and the formal teachings, on the level of doctrine and dogma, of the Catholic Church. These formal teachings are expressed by the Magisterium (teaching authority, id. est. the pope in communion with the bishops of the Church) and can be ready discovered through the various official means used by the church to propagate such teaching.

Any Ideas and opinions that fall outside the formal teaching of the church or contradict such teachings are not Catholic in any formal or meaningful sense. Catholics who hold opinions contrary to Church teaching have no standing within the Church and are merely the (misguided or erroneous) opinions of certain individuals. The assertion of individual conscience as a basis to legitimize opinions contrary to Church teaching are based on a false understanding of conscience that is inconsistent with the Church’s formal concept of conscience has developed within church tradition.

The popular media is wrong to identify opinions contrary to church teaching as "Catholic". For it is the nexus point where Scripture, Church Tradition and the living Magisterium meet that defines what is Catholic and what Catholic is. Due to a lack of understanding regarding the Catholic Faith the media regularly fails to make the necessary distinctions and errors by giving equal weight and currency to personal opinions vs. a vs. the Church’s formal teaching. No individual or group can arrogate to themselves the truths of the universal Church.
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11:58 AM on 10/21/2012
When Francis of Assisi went to Rome to explain what he was doing, the pope told him the spiritual life Francis proposed would not work. Remember Francis identified with the poor and suffering that he called lady poverty.

Times have not changed. By the way their are non-Catholics who are more closely identified with Francis than many Catholics. Times have not changed.
01:47 AM on 10/18/2012
Please read this Rebuttal post by a very devout and histerical blogger :) http://www.patheos.com/blogs/badcatholic/2012/10/catholics-for-choice-whine-to-the-huffington-post-everyone-leaves-feeling-gratified.html
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DavidEm
"To do good is my religion." Thomas Paine
11:25 AM on 10/17/2012
Let the ingroup/outgroup fur-flying begin!
06:41 PM on 10/16/2012
Feel better now?

I somehow doubt God really cares if you are Catholic, Baptist, Nazarene, Pentecostal, Mennonite or any other denomination.

I believe his concern is that a person is a Christian. Christ came and abolished the Jewish law, and set us free from having to follow rules and regulations. People just made new rules and regulations-probably because they have to have SOMETHING to fight over.

Silliness.
01:59 PM on 10/29/2012
I think it does matter. If it didn't then why did Jesus pray so vehemently for the unity of his Church?
02:38 PM on 10/11/2012
Well, once a Catholic, always a Catholic. But the problem comes when you publicly espouse viewpoints contrary to the 2000 year old teaching of the Catholic Church, you place yourself outside the Catholic Church. If you procure an abortion, or you assist in the procurement of an abortion (and as a Catholic for "choice", I'd imagine assistance could be implied), you incur latae sententiae excommunication. No episcopal pronouncement is required.

My recommendation to you is that you travel to the seat of your diocese and speak with your local ordinary. He is the one who can most counsel you on church teaching with regard to sexuality and reproduction.

Oh, and you might want to change your name to Espousers-of-Heresy-With-Baptismal-Certificates for Choice.
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06:19 PM on 10/11/2012
Over the years, many have tried to change the Church's position on several issues, with Martin Luther probably being the most (in)famous. Heck, that's why there are over 10,000 different "Christian" demoninations today, people didn't like the Church's teachings or how the Church operated and figured they'd start there own Church....It's Satan's modus operandi of "divide and conquer"....recall the Savior's words of a house divided cannot stand (yes, it was Jesus, not Lincoln, that first uttered that words!)
11:45 AM on 10/13/2012
Whoa 100... Who is Jesus if not for the abused and oppressed? He was an all-inclusive, unapologetic, rabble-rouser against the rule following status quo knitpickers that sat around all day parsing scripture while the sick and disenfranchised suffered. Take that plank out of your eye and love those you so lightly label heretic. Oh, and the last person one should ever ask for council regarding sexual matters is the local ordinary who is "celibate" and clueless about life in general. Find a good therapist....
01:43 AM on 10/18/2012
I find your arguments very interesting VeraLumina. I most definitely agree that Jesus was a loving person who loved every single person, and did not mind whose cage he rattled with the Truth, as long as the Truth was proclaimed. However, I do have to say that by definition, in the words of St Thomas, heresy is 'a species of infidelity in men who, having professed the faith of Christ, corrupt its dogmas'. If we are corrupting His dogmas it is heresy. And one of them being the sanctity of life, for example, therefore abortion is most definitely a corruption of these. Thus people who agree with it ARE in fact heretical. About your claim that "he last person one should ever ask for council regarding sexual matters is the local ordinary who is "celibate" and clueless about life in general" I find rather disturbing because these are the men that have their own sexual struggles like any other human being, and these are learned men who have studied the Theology of the Body and know what Christ wanted for it. Moreover, these are people who have lives, family, friends, a congregation, and had their own paths to becoming priests and you are completely discrediting all the unique experiences all of them have had, believe me, they know a lot about life, probably more than any of us. And I sincerely ask you to love us too and not be so angry with us either, just as you asked us.
01:44 AM on 10/18/2012
OH, btw! I really recommend you look up Christopher West and Jason Evert (they explain JPIIs Theology of the Body in a very accessible way to the youth) and read up on the lives of priests! there are some wonderfully surprising stories, there are priests who most definitely lived a life far from holy or celibate before they heard the call God had for them, and the changes He made in His heart, it's quite beautiful! anyhow, God Bless!
02:25 PM on 10/11/2012
Catholics for Choice? It takes more than a baptismal certificate to be a Catholic. Think adherence to the teachings and practicing the religion. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/badcatholic/2012/10/catholics-for-choice-whine-to-the-huffington-post-everyone-leaves-feeling-gratified.html
12:43 AM on 10/11/2012
Well interesting that "catholics for Choice" is not listed in the Catholic Directory and their sources are not found in any document published by any branch of the Catholic Churches. And why does a Google search on Jon O'Brien has him listed as an Episcopalian?
07:32 PM on 10/10/2012
Dude, honestly, get yourself a Catechism. This is ridiculous.
01:01 PM on 10/10/2012
As president of Catholics for Racism and Chattel Slavery, I'd like to join with my collegues the president of Catholics for Child P*rn, and the president of Catholics for Torture and Murder in thanking Jon for an excellent and well-reasoned article.
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PeterKropotkin2012
Death to the Capitalist Running-Dogs!
03:07 AM on 10/10/2012
Jesus was not a Catholic, and nothing in the Catholic church reflects his teachings.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."
07:16 AM on 10/10/2012
This is smart. Choose 3 scripture verses written by Catholics and say it does not represent the Catholic Church. Not logical!
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PeterKropotkin2012
Death to the Capitalist Running-Dogs!
12:41 AM on 10/16/2012
No, these writings predate the RCC by several centuries.  Since they are mightily inconvenient to the RCC  hierarchy, which would no doubt prefer that they said "And when you pray go to the church and give a big offering to the priest there because God wants you to enrich the church"  it is reasonable to assume that they are authentic or at least much older than the church and too well known to discard.
05:11 PM on 10/21/2012
Not Written by catholics, but by a Spiritful person, The catholics would love to take credit for the Old & New Testment. They have no claim to it. If so, they would be part jew, islam,and other race. So Who, and What is a Catholic ? Same would apply to other reglion such morman bapist penalcostle..ect
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GuitarMan GuitarMan
09:25 AM on 10/10/2012
Um, actually....all of the Catholic teachings reflect Jesus' teachings. And don't take specific texts or passages out of context. There are many many other passages that exhort the lay faithful to challenge and admonish one another when there is sinful behavior.

We are called to judge actions, not people. BIG DIFFERENCE.