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Jon Soltz

Jon Soltz

Posted: January 28, 2010 11:53 AM

One Big Sentence on Don't Ask, Don't Tell

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Last evening, President Obama committed only one sentence to the issue of gays and lesbians serving openly in the military, but it was one huge sentence that gives our troops overseas a lot of hope that support is on the way. On the issue of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell law that keeps gays and lesbians from serving openly, the President said, "This year, I will work with Congress and our military to finally repeal the law that denies gay Americans the right to serve the country they love because of who they are." That was a huge moment of hope for those of us who served and are serving (even if the Joint Chiefs, by protocol, had to refrain from applause).

The key word here -- what makes the statement so important -- is "Congress." While the President can and should consider using the power of the budget to temporarily repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell (by defunding investigations under the law), only a law passed through Congress can permanently repeal the law.

That can't come soon enough. Fighting in two wars, and reminded that our military has other responsibilities around the world, like in Haiti, overextension of our forces will continue for the foreseeable future. That means men and women being pushed to the brink on their fifth and sixth tours. Meanwhile, specialists, like hundreds of desperately needed translators, have been ripped from our military under Don't Ask, Don't Tell, leaving our servicemembers to fight shorthanded. Both of these issues can be alleviated with a repeal of the law.

Indeed, just this week, the Williams Institute at UCLA found that a repeal "could attract an estimated 36,700 men and women to active duty service along with 12,000 more individuals to the guard and reserve." (Report here, PDF required) It also found that there are an estimated 65,752 gays and lesbians currently serving. All of them are one mistake away from being kicked out. Just leaving a letter from their partner out in the open for a moment could lead to an investigation and discharge. We just can't afford to lose these men and women for being who they are.

Speaking of investigations, with government spending all the rage these days, it's worth noting that we've spent as much as half a billion dollars to conduct investigations under Don't Ask, Don't Tell since it was implemented in 1994. And that doesn't even consider the time-drain this places on our officers who have to conduct the investigations rather than, say, lead men and women in a crucial fight against terrorist enemies of America.

Any way you slice it, our military and our nation's security and wellbeing would be better off with a repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. To keep it in place is sheer lunacy. In the immediate term, it robs our military of the people it needs to win the wars we're in and protect America. In the long-run, it only will continue to handicap our forces and drain our treasury.

By committing to pushing a repeal through Congress this year, the President has acknowledged that this isn't just an issue of fairness to mull over for a while -- it's a desperate national security issue that must be addressed now.

Note: You can join VoteVets.org in calling on Congress to repeal the Don't Ask, Don't Tell law by signing our petition here.

 

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BoyInBOYCOTT
09:34 PM on 01/30/2010
Gays have served in EVERY American war and conflict. READ the letters between General Washington and his younger Aide Camp Alexander Hamilton. We created this Nation along with you, we put it back together after the Civil War (Lincoln).
STILL you don't deserve our sacrifices for YOUR FREEDOMS, the freedoms you are too self centered and stingy to extend equally to us.
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BoyInBOYCOTT
08:23 PM on 01/30/2010
*cough- lying LIARS- cough*
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Roberta
01:32 PM on 01/30/2010
All this drama just serves to delay justice. Pass the goddamn bill, and if the generals and troops can't deal with it - THEY can leave.
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foxbat
Don't jump to conclusions
01:42 PM on 01/30/2010
A lot of the military leadership is for repeal and a majority of the troops don't see it as an issue. Folks that do see it as an issue are the same kind of folks that don't want to serve with women, or minorities, but they are still serving anyway. In the end, it's a major gain, not only for civility and equality, but also for the armed services.
12:38 PM on 01/30/2010
Reading some of these comments I'm reminded yet again how uncomfortable with human sexuality some straight-identified American men are, unless it conforms to their own specific interests. And it seems like those who don't know gay-identified men assume that all gay men are horny libertines who willfully disregard the sensitivities and preferences of their fellow man. Contrary to the worst case scenarios presented in this thread, many gay-identified men are upstanding citizens as committed to doing their civic duty in a responsible, dignified manner as any straight-identified man. There are always transgressors of acceptable behavior and norms in society irregardless of sexual identity. To deny one class of citizens equal access because of another classes irrational fears is bigotry, and its unconstitutional. Grow up, and learn to love your fellow man, and I don't mean that in a sexual way but in the true Christian sense of the concept.
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Imrightyourewrong
05:43 PM on 01/30/2010
I agree, as a gay man, with what you said. The other thing that appalls me is the notion that these straight men are just irresistible. Puh-leeze.
12:36 PM on 01/30/2010
As for the shower conversation below -

don't all men sort of check each other out in the shower rooms? you know, compare? Women do. People have to be discrete about it of course. but what's the difference if it's sexual or not? as long as people don't act on it uninvited. I think it's different if it's a shower with a different gender, because it's not a really comparison going on. Plus, men tend to think uninvited "looks" at women are flattering while I doubt gay men would think that way about looking at other (possibly heterosexual) men.

I think it's somewhat silly to think of this as a real issue. I don't think gay people want to serve in the military to gain access to the shower room. One can just go to the gym for that.
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foxbat
Don't jump to conclusions
01:45 PM on 01/30/2010
"I don't think gay people want to serve in the military to gain access to the shower room."

If they are, as you pointed out, they aren't really using their heads. Kind of like Cruiser in Stripes.

Cruiser: I joined the army 'cause my father and my brother were in the army. I thought I'd better join before I got drafted.

Sergeant Hulka: Son, there ain't no draft no more.

Cruiser: There was one?
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Imrightyourewrong
05:46 PM on 01/30/2010
Here's how it looked to me. I watched 9/11 happen and saw the buildings burning outside my window (lived in NJ/NY area...live in NYC area now and walk by Ground Zero daily). Imagine what it was like on 9/12 to realize that I, as an American, couldn't even fight to defend my country because I'm gay.
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05:46 PM on 01/29/2010
Hypothetical: There's a post dance. DADT has been repealed. A homosexual soldier who's had a few too many beers approaches a battle-hardened Iraq-Aghanistan vet. Since DADT is no longer a problem the homosexual soldier thinking, why not, brazenly asks the straight soldier to dance in the presence of all the straight soldiers' buddies. Chaos ensues and the arriving M.P.'s who happen to be homosexuals try to quell the fracas. They assume the hetero soldier is the source of the problem since he swung first, after being asked to dance -- a fact yet unknown to the M.P.'s. The hetero soldier is jailed and charged with conduct unbecoming and aggravated assault for breaking the homosexual soldier's jaw, etc. The hetero soldier is court-martialed, found guilty, jailed and given a DD. The word gets out and the real trouble begins X 1,000 yaddas.
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realitytrumpsbull
Two 'alves of coconut!
09:11 PM on 01/29/2010
Hypothetical situation: Under 'equal opportunity', EVERYONE involved in your fight gets to see the commander in the morning, and article 15's all around? This is the military we're talking about, and it's the job of just about everybody in a uniform to see to it that their buddies don't mess up. If they can't square each other away in terms of remembering to act like adults, even with alcohol and a GAY person on the premises, well, sounds like there's some rocks that need to be painted, or get out there and practice some of that good drill and ceremony, and a 2-beer limit. I've met soldiers who were presumably 'straight' in their sexual orientation, and they couldn't maintain their manners either, just with alcohol. Just with enough alcohol. Wearing our Nation's uniform does not give you license to show your @#$ in public, you're bound by the same laws that affect anyone else. If you need a class on how to deal with a gay person, I'm sure there's something available online to help you.

There's enough drunken @#$holes in the world, in my neck of the woods another drunken driver just about killed some people, how well can YOU control yourself when you're under the influence? If you join our Nation's military, chances are you'll travel, and get to meet people from all walks of life, including gays. Question is, how mature are you? Can you deal with the situation?
12:19 PM on 01/30/2010
In your hypothetical the hetero soldier who swung first is the source of the problem. Violence is not the appropriate way to deal with a non-threatening situation. The civil way to deal with this kind of situation in the real world is to say 'no thanks' and move on. The 'battle-hardened vet' ought to feel flattered. That's the healthy response...
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Nelson Montana
Artist, Author, Composer
04:52 PM on 01/29/2010
The more I read, the more "don't ask, don't tell" seems to make sense. They're there to serve, not fall in love or have affairs or make their sexuality an issue in any way. Maybe they should call it "don't tell, no one cares."
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RonK Michigan
Half of the people you know are below average
05:06 PM on 01/29/2010
100% agreed -
In the military DADT is probably the only "workable" safe solution - keeps the crazies from igniting situations.
07:33 AM on 01/31/2010
Seems to make sense? You're totally forgetting that if all somebody in a private conversation does is say that he has a boyfriend back home & is thinking of getting married someday, in anwer to a question about his future plans, and that conversation is overheard, the man will be bounced.

How on earth is that making an issue of one's sexuality or having an affair? Your argument is just another rehash of "gays flaunt their sexuality." You're the one sexualizing the question. What you support is people being utterly silent/dishonest, 24/7 about a significant part of their lives. This may be good training for spies, but for the military?

Having grown up in New York, I'd think a "consumate New Yorker" like you would be more sophisticated.
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Nelson Montana
Artist, Author, Composer
10:32 AM on 01/31/2010
Here's some sophistication for ya. Don't tell people you can't trust stuff that may get you in trouble. Problem solved.

It works all across the board in life. Get used to it.
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02:07 PM on 01/29/2010
Hypothetical: A young hetero soldier who enlisted before DADT was repealed finds himself constantly trailed to the shower by a homosexual soldier, even though the hetero, not wanting to risk possible court-martial by his homosexual CO, takes great pains to shower during off hours to no avail. He finally confronts the homosexual harasser and a fistfight erupts in the shower with no witnesses. The homosexual CO admonishes the two men, insisting that they must "... put aside their differences and learn to get along." But the homosexual persists and there's another showerroom fight with no witnesses. The homosexual CO sides with the homosexual soldier and the hetero is count-martialed, found guilty of aggravated assault, given two years' confinement and a dishonorable discharge. (Consider the same scenario with a heterosexual CO and the homosexual soldier -- fairly or unfairly -- getting the same sentence). The point? Repealing DADT will be an unworkable, long-term U.S. military disaster -- the best intentions of all involved notwithstanding.
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Godweiser
The eyes have it.
03:02 PM on 01/29/2010
Can you find any such situation occurring in the UK Forces or Canadian Army or Israeli Defense Forces, all three of whom allow gays to serve?

No, because it's an effing FANTASY on your part.
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Talossa
Liberal. Pro-Israel. Recovering atheist.
11:03 AM on 01/31/2010
This guy probably thinks "The General's Daughter" was a documentary.
03:08 PM on 01/29/2010
I would hope that the UCMJ would provide equal protection to the hetero as well as homosexual soldier. During my service in the Navy during the first Gulf War there were many instances of fights between sailors. Most of the time these fights were over nothing, (i.e. somone ate someone's cake from his lunch tray) and they were broken up quickly. We learned fast that we all had to get along. The officers would not put up with petty squabbling like that. We all had a common goal, which was not to fight with each other, rather to save that for the enemy.

What you describe in you post is a situation that while possible, is unlikely. First of all, the military frowns upon fraternazation between soldiers. That is rule number one that teach in boot camp. Not everyone follows the rules, mind you, but you are not really supposed to be hitting on your fellow soldiers, be they women or men. I think that newly admitted gay members of the armed services would strive to not live up to the stereotypes that follow them around, mainly that they are all sexual predators just looking for a hot shower encounter. I also think that most gay guys when they are told that they guy they are hitting on is straight, they don't see it as thier mission to convert him to the other side of the fence. Exceptions exist, of course, but mostly, I think this is true.
01:31 PM on 01/29/2010
Lets say that Congress gets it act together and repeals DADT. If this policy was the only reason that gays were not joining the mililtary and if the study cited by the author of this article is correct, I would expect to see a marked increase in the amount of people that are signing up to serve. It is time for the gay community to do more than protest against an unfair policy. When the policy is repealed I want to see the activists that fought for its repeal to volunteer for the armed services. Will they? Time will tell.
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wyldthings
as a young man I said I'd never get old an didn'
01:00 PM on 01/29/2010
Please if Obama wanted to end DADT he could do it with the stroke of a pen. From what i've researched only 26% of active duty military have a problem with gays in the Military! I only hope is that if the military declines say 15% because of the repeal of DADT that the gay community will stand and make up the difference! Or there will be a draft and most people would be against that!
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12:37 PM on 01/29/2010
If DADT is repealed will hetero- and homosexual soldiers be given blood tests after every pass or leave so as to lessen the chances of infecting shared battlefield blood with HIV, hepatitis, etc.?
11:22 AM on 01/29/2010
President Obama has left "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" repeal to Congress. Good luck with that! What he should be doing is eliminating it by an Executive Order. Leaving it to Congress does not indicate proper seriousness on the issue to me.
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Imrightyourewrong
07:03 PM on 01/30/2010
it woujld be great if he could, but he can't. It's a statute that the Congress must repeal.
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RonK Michigan
Half of the people you know are below average
07:31 AM on 01/29/2010
I have a question (since I'm not "gay")........As a heterosexual male, I would have LOVED to have been showering with the Waves back when I was in the Navy. Do you get the same male-male turn-on as my male-female turn-on when you are showering with the "guys"? If so, then shoud you be attending the female bathroom facilities rather then male?
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ringo3khan
08:42 AM on 01/29/2010
I think you sort of miss the point; it's also about depriving people of the right to be able to choose who they will or won't associate with if they choose to be in the Military. Those who find this repugnant will simply not choose a Military career. Then of course, they'll re-instate the draft under newspeak term of Universal Service, which will mean that people who find this repugnant will have no choice but to leave th country.
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RonK Michigan
Half of the people you know are below average
09:38 AM on 01/29/2010
I have not missed the point – I fully understand the ramifications involved with a person’s freedom of choice (even though the gay/lesbian community state that it is not a “choice” which is true since I did not choose to be straight). I simply did not state the obvious in my comment. My comment was simply related to the logistics involved with the problems of having 4 open sexes (5 if you count bi) involved with the forced togetherness created by being in the military. I have known/now know several gay people– I just don’t invite them into my bathroom while I am showering and shaving nor do I sleep in the same room with any of them
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RonK Michigan
Half of the people you know are below average
09:47 AM on 01/29/2010
The military did not tell the first female soldiers that they will be sharing the men's showers/dorms, they created seperate facilities in order to accomodate them - now they will be forced to again create seperate facilities. If you are in the military and openly gay, do you feel that "code 5's" will not be used as excuses to "gay bash"?
08:49 AM on 01/29/2010
Is that what you are afraid of? That someone might get turned on by the sight of your magnificent body?
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RonK Michigan
Half of the people you know are below average
09:54 AM on 01/29/2010
Not really - I am 70 years old - Why then would women feel uncomfortable showering with men looking at them
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realitytrumpsbull
Two 'alves of coconut!
04:03 AM on 01/29/2010
Why have a military? Is it just a jobs program, the welfare office, with bullets? What is the purpose of spending something on the order of 3/4 of a trillion dollars annually, that's ANNUALLY, on something we call 'defense'? Why have a military? If it can be successfully argued that we do, in fact, need a military, and it's not just an excuse for politicians to spend money while other people rake it in, then the next question is who will then don the uniforms, line up, and report for duty, and what criteria should be used to qualify, or disqualify them from such service, what makes a person eligible to hold up their hand, and state their name(no, state YOUR name)?
Should gays serve in the military? Should anyone? Can't other countries fight their own wars, can you still call it 'defense' if our military is occupying some other country, why do we have so many military bases around the world, why do we spend that 3/4 of a trillion dollars annually on the military when there's no other country massing troops against us? Is our military mainly just a way for people like (former) Maj. Hasan to get their free college education? Why does it fall to the United States, time and again, to clean up problems overseas? Are there that many problems, or just an unemployed military? Are we an empire? A million questions.
01:09 PM on 01/29/2010
You could ask that question of a number of different government funded programs. Why have welfare? Why have subsidized housing? The answer is simple, these programs are needed. The military is needed for the defense of our nation and to protect our way of life. The role of the military changes over time because our enemies change. I don't think anyone wants to leave our nation unprotected.
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realitytrumpsbull
Two 'alves of coconut!
04:15 AM on 01/31/2010
Right, but have you ever noticed how the military never seems to get smaller?
01:23 AM on 01/29/2010
Between universal health care and gays in the military, Obama is trying to ram through all the proposals that brought the Clinton presidency to the brink of failure.

No matter what you think about the importance of gays in the military, why is Obama picking fights that other Democratic leaders have historically lost?
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DonJM
The narrower the mind, the broader the statement.
08:34 AM on 01/29/2010
Because it's the right thing to do.