Obama has to keep on in his office for there to be jobs so start pushing for him now while there is time. He should try for laws thatkeep the rich types from making falling stock prices just because companies are now being good citizens.
Watch out but the conservatives will attack the deficit again to keep us from getting jobs so they can have even more money and we get the usual crumbs. They always talking about freedom, but what about our freedom or doesn't that matter? When the Rrepublicans say they are attacking the deficit that is really what they are attacking.
George_Kimball: Continued 2 Obama has to keep on in his office
Continued...
So the worker is going to get laid off thanks to those greedy sob's. His own income tax at least is going to go way down because finally they made GE pay it's own fair share. The rich companys can pay instead of people who struggle to make ends meet. The government's working hard for making new jobs and that's how they got our deficit, but when you think about it a little, a small price to pay for people to go back to work. The more taxes they finally get from GE, the the jobs will be there sooner. If more people understood this then our recession could be obviously a lot shorter. They figure that from every few ordinary guys like him with no job and a real tax break they will be able to make a new job, so expect things will go slowlly at first.
Liberals are the smarter ones and will most times think about things and understand them to where they can fix them for the better. Conservatives won't even try to understand things, they just parrot things the corporations want them to say. They would be happy to stick it to workers to pay a lot of taxes forever and GE gets richer and richer.
George_Kimball: Continued... So the worker is going to get laid off
GE used complicated tax laws and their lawyers to avoid paying its taxes, so people have to pay them instead. Think about being the one who tells a regular workman in a GE plant that GE will not be dodging its taxes any more, so he will be paying less income tax and then he gets more for himself. Now try telling him the government is running with a big deficit and it has to be reduced because the conservatives are screaching about it and as usual getting in the way of real progress. NOw GE will now be making contributions to our country instead of just taking, but they will just cut workers for it. If they don't, their investors, Wall Street type businessman and women too now who really don't care if people are okay or have jobs, will try to stop progress, this time by dumping the stock. It's really horrible when you think about it - there are a lot of people who own that stock like in mutual funds and retirement savings typwe stuff that they would deliberately screw over just because GE is being good for the country for a change.
George_Kimball: GE used complicated tax laws and their lawyers to avoid
Its a sad state of affairs isn't it. When the supreme court gave them person hood they should have been made to pay taxes like a person. 35% straight up, automatically deducted directly from profits bi-weekly.
This was supposed to be a nation rooted in justice but since Reagan and the subsequent mutation of the GOP America has become a place of the rich hiring one half of the poor to silence the other half.
Raw_Ron: Its a sad state of affairs isn't it. When the
Friends. We bitch and moan, but we don't really focus on the root of the problem.
I ask respectfully. Why are the Rich so loath to let go of what they have? I quote Senator Edward Kennedy when I say, How much is enough?
How many "True American's" broke their backs and sweat their sweat, just to feed the purest greed of the very few.
How Much Is Enough? HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH !!!???
When we say, "They do this" or " it's all because of "Them." Remember one thing. "They" and "Them" are people. People. Just like you and me. Maybe we should start saying their names.
But "They", these...... people...? To "Them" WE! are a threat. (Just keep earning them more and more money)
I remember one quote from History. I wonder if you do too?
SNAP QUIZ!!!
Who was purported to have said?
"Let them eat cake".
Wake up Friends! The "them"?
That would be you and me...
CGllc
computerguyllc: Friends. We bitch and moan, but we don't really focus
The reason for the huge deficits is not that corporations are paying less taxes, though they are paying less taxes, however that is not the driving force, it is individuals who are paying dramatically less taxes. Why?
Simple. Corporations are hiring in China, India and elsewhere, but not in the US. Wages are down in the US. Combine these two factors and you have less "tax" revenue. Prices for Chinese goods are low. Why? If they are low and someone is making a profit it is not from paying fair wages or prices would be higher. The Chinese worker is thrilled to take American money to latter pay for his food while the Chinese government who takes the lion share of the profits invests this back into natural resources in Brazil, Australia, Canada or maybe invests this in buying American company's here in the US. So where does that leave American workers? Unless you add scaled tariffs we are done for folks. Scaled tariffs based on political, environmental, labor, and safety laws are the only answer.
Using this approach the tariff on European goods would be zero while the tariff on Chinese (no political freedom, slave labor, little or no environmental or labor laws, etc.) and Indian (little or no environmental or labor laws) manufacturing and service products would be very high
That is the answer.
Wake up America!
Truth9834: The reason for the huge deficits is not that corporations
Would you mind providing some evidence? Not that your opinion isn't interesting, but how many people are earning how much less, which produces what change in taxes?
TheBluesGuy: Would you mind providing some evidence? Not that your opinion
Nice cartoon.
It sums up my feelings as a progressive perfectly. I imagine that must be a democrat filing his taxes. A conservative wouldn't be angry about those fat cats laughing in his face, he'd be concerned that they're paying too much.
kjohney: Nice cartoon. It sums up my feelings as a progressive
We voted in a lobbyists ring of liars,
When they talk taxes their lies raise higher,
Less tax more GDP, so they say, and we believe,
Less tax for who they never tell us that,
We get to pay till our accounts get flat,
While billionaire's grown, and we stay below.
iflew: Ring Of Liars (Johnny Cash "Ring of Fire' melody) We
Has anyone thought that if the GOP wasn't so intent on cutting taxes for the rich and creating loopholes and Corp welfare we as a nation would not be 14 trillion in debt?? That we wouldn't owe China money? That we wouldn't be talking about a debt ceiling? Let's place blame where it belongs, on the GOP who signed a pledge with Grover Norquist. Ask your GOP rep why when they swear to hold our constitution that allows for raising taxes they would place their trust in a rich conservative who's sole goal is to destroy our government.
booker52: Has anyone thought that if the GOP wasn't so intent
Giving, not just tax breaks, but refunds to the wealthy will indeed create more jobs....just as soon as they can hire five people for what they now pay to one.
Hillrick: Giving, not just tax breaks, but refunds to the wealthy
They'll need more maids and gardeners and chauffeurs for the extra homes they're buying. Maybe we can convince them to hire us instead of undocumented aliens. But since it will cost them more, don't expect it. At least their dumpsters will be good picking, so we won't starve.
essbird: They'll need more maids and gardeners and chauffeurs for the
Glenn Beck says he's going to hire 50 people lol I wonder how many people Paris Hilton, Charlie Sheen or all those TV and Sports figures are going to hire....and LARRY KUDLOW and Bill O-Reilly.... ..... Or will they spend the extra... money on vacation in Europe or China. Hmmm
janmB: Glenn Beck says he's going to hire 50 people lol
Here is a question to ask yourself: We started down this road with Reagan’s election in 1980 and upped the ante in this century with George W. Bush.
How long does it take to conclude that a policy has failed to fulfill its promises? And as you think of that, keep in mind George Washington. When he fell ill his doctors followed the common wisdom of the era. They cut him and bled him to remove bad blood. As Washington’s condition grew worse, they bled him more. And like the mantra of tax cuts for the rich, they kept applying the same treatment until they killed him.
IgnoranceIsStrength: Here is a question to ask yourself: We started down
+1 on the blood-letting analogy. Given the way the GOP approaches government, it's amazingly accurate. Dem's ought to incorporate this into their rhetoric; it would make Republicans get into quite the tizzy when they respond.
Dave_F: +1 on the blood-letting analogy. Given the way the GOP
I really wonder what most Americans think ... I think there is no way to tell, I think the public consciousness is owned by the corporations and they reflect what they want us to see.
brux: I really wonder what most Americans think ... I think
It's all about rolling back Johnson's Great Society and FDR's New Deal. They're just being as dishonest as they can be to mask their intent so once everyone realizes what they've done, it'll be too late to stop the avalanche they set in motion.
Tahut: It's all about rolling back Johnson's Great Society and FDR's
They are doing their granddaddys' dirty work on this, of course. They sat at the knee of a member of the GOP, ... who had sat at the knee of a member who believed FDR, and then JFK and LBJ somehow ruined their chance at the sort of life they preferred!
They were right, of course, ... for they preferred to have all the wealth in their hands, ... all the workers housed in company shanty towns, and no restrictions on child labor. They did not care if the elderly died for lack of healthcare or food, or even a place to live. And their grandsons and daughters do not care about those things now.
The terrible irony is that they have convinced a sizable number of their employees that they are better off kept poor, ... and without pensions and benefits, ... than what would come if they unleashed their wrath upon the poor and middle class. They convinced those foolish enough to stick with the Teabagger GOP, ... to vote against their best interests and family safety.
My disappointment is not in the GOP for I have known for a long time what they were about. I am sickened that there are so few who champion the causes the Rabid Bight intends to destroy. There is no LBJ in the Democratic Party today, ... let alone a FDR.
TheIndependenceParty: They are doing their granddaddys' dirty work on this, of
The sad thing is, the vast majority look at this cartoon, and think, "That's pretty much true - FML." And the people that actually work at those companies are no doubt sitting there and thinking, "That's pretty much true - LOL!"
I guess it just amazes me that these Tea Party people - most of whom are people of very modest means - are out there defending these corporations that are literally getting corporate welfare, and acting like we owe these companies a favor, so WE should pay their taxes for them. I don't quite grasp that logic.
Dave_F: The sad thing is, the vast majority look at this
"MR. WEADOCK. The gentleman will allow me to suggest that at Monte Carlo such a man would not have to pay any tax at all. [Laughter.]
MR. BRYAN. Then, Mr. Chairman, I presume to Monte Carlo he would go, and that there he would give up to the wheel of fortune all the wealth of which he would not give a part to support the Government which enabled him to accumulate it.
Are there really any such people in this country? Of all the mean men I have ever known, I have never known one so mean that I would be willing to say of him that his patriotism was less than 2 per cent. deep."
During the '04 election cycle it came out that the super wealthy made out like bandits, the merely wealthy not so much. Now, you and I would figure "Well, now the merely wealthy will stand up for fairness and try to work to even the playing field." The rich are not like us. As you saw the lesser wealthy decided they needed to work harder to become super wealthy. And by work harder I mean squeeze their corps. and us to gain more wealth.
Hillrick: During the '04 election cycle it came out that the
Yup, that is exactly the way I feel, I have absolutely no recourse except to pay, while people and corporations are able to make millions (or 100s of 1000s in case of individuals) and pay little or no tax, apparently GE got a rebate, if one more tea bagger comes out with the "Its unfair for the top 25% to pay 50% of all taxes" and expects me to feel anger towards anyone except for the traitorous tax cheats, I will just scream.
Proud_Progressive: Yup, that is exactly the way I feel, I have
Obama has to keep on in his office for there to be jobs so start pushing for him now while there is time. He should try for laws thatkeep the rich types from making falling stock prices just because companies are now being good citizens.
Watch out but the conservatives will attack the deficit again to keep us from getting jobs so they can have even more money and we get the usual crumbs. They always talking about freedom, but what about our freedom or doesn't that matter? When the Rrepublicans say they are attacking the deficit that is really what they are attacking.
So the worker is going to get laid off thanks to those greedy sob's. His own income tax at least is going to go way down because finally they made GE pay it's own fair share. The rich companys can pay instead of people who struggle to make ends meet. The government's working hard for making new jobs and that's how they got our deficit, but when you think about it a little, a small price to pay for people to go back to work. The more taxes they finally get from GE, the the jobs will be there sooner. If more people understood this then our recession could be obviously a lot shorter. They figure that from every few ordinary guys like him with no job and a real tax break they will be able to make a new job, so expect things will go slowlly at first.
Liberals are the smarter ones and will most times think about things and understand them to where they can fix them for the better. Conservatives won't even try to understand things, they just parrot things the corporations want them to say. They would be happy to stick it to workers to pay a lot of taxes forever and GE gets richer and richer.
This was supposed to be a nation rooted in justice but since Reagan and the subsequent mutation of the GOP America has become a place of the rich hiring one half of the poor to silence the other half.
I ask respectfully. Why are the Rich so loath to let go of what they have? I quote Senator Edward Kennedy when I say, How much is enough?
How many "True American's" broke their backs and sweat their sweat, just to feed the purest greed of the very few.
How Much Is Enough? HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH !!!???
When we say, "They do this" or " it's all because of "Them." Remember one thing. "They" and "Them" are people. People. Just like you and me. Maybe we should start saying their names.
But "They", these...... people...? To "Them" WE! are a threat. (Just keep earning them more and more money)
I remember one quote from History. I wonder if you do too?
SNAP QUIZ!!!
Who was purported to have said?
"Let them eat cake".
Wake up Friends! The "them"?
That would be you and me...
CGllc
Simple. Corporations are hiring in China, India and elsewhere, but not in the US. Wages are down in the US. Combine these two factors and you have less "tax" revenue. Prices for Chinese goods are low. Why? If they are low and someone is making a profit it is not from paying fair wages or prices would be higher. The Chinese worker is thrilled to take American money to latter pay for his food while the Chinese government who takes the lion share of the profits invests this back into natural resources in Brazil, Australia, Canada or maybe invests this in buying American company's here in the US. So where does that leave American workers? Unless you add scaled tariffs we are done for folks. Scaled tariffs based on political, environmental, labor, and safety laws are the only answer.
Using this approach the tariff on European goods would be zero while the tariff on Chinese (no political freedom, slave labor, little or no environmental or labor laws, etc.) and Indian (little or no environmental or labor laws) manufacturing and service products would be very high
That is the answer.
Wake up America!
It sums up my feelings as a progressive perfectly. I imagine that must be a democrat filing his taxes. A conservative wouldn't be angry about those fat cats laughing in his face, he'd be concerned that they're paying too much.
We voted in a lobbyists ring of liars,
When they talk taxes their lies raise higher,
Less tax more GDP, so they say, and we believe,
Less tax for who they never tell us that,
We get to pay till our accounts get flat,
While billionaire's grown, and we stay below.
How long does it take to conclude that a policy has failed to fulfill its promises? And as you think of that, keep in mind George Washington. When he fell ill his doctors followed the common wisdom of the era. They cut him and bled him to remove bad blood. As Washington’s condition grew worse, they bled him more. And like the mantra of tax cuts for the rich, they kept applying the same treatment until they killed him.
That is the trillion-dollar question for 21st Century America. I've been asking it for thirty years, and it shows no better signs of being answered.
The blood-letting analogy is brilliant.
They were right, of course, ... for they preferred to have all the wealth in their hands, ... all the workers housed in company shanty towns, and no restrictions on child labor. They did not care if the elderly died for lack of healthcare or food, or even a place to live. And their grandsons and daughters do not care about those things now.
The terrible irony is that they have convinced a sizable number of their employees that they are better off kept poor, ... and without pensions and benefits, ... than what would come if they unleashed their wrath upon the poor and middle class. They convinced those foolish enough to stick with the Teabagger GOP, ... to vote against their best interests and family safety.
My disappointment is not in the GOP for I have known for a long time what they were about. I am sickened that there are so few who champion the causes the Rabid Bight intends to destroy. There is no LBJ in the Democratic Party today, ... let alone a FDR.
I guess it just amazes me that these Tea Party people - most of whom are people of very modest means - are out there defending these corporations that are literally getting corporate welfare, and acting like we owe these companies a favor, so WE should pay their taxes for them. I don't quite grasp that logic.
And you DON'T see a problem with this?
MR. BRYAN. Then, Mr. Chairman, I presume to Monte Carlo he would go, and that there he would give up to the wheel of fortune all the wealth of which he would not give a part to support the Government which enabled him to accumulate it.
Are there really any such people in this country? Of all the mean men I have ever known, I have never known one so mean that I would be willing to say of him that his patriotism was less than 2 per cent. deep."
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