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Let Us Now Bash Robin Williams -- The Final Chapter

Posted: 02/08/11 10:31 PM ET

November of 2009, in response to Newsweek's "Twelve Comics Who Aren't Funny," I offer, "Let Us Now Bash Robin Williams Part I," in which I defended (most of) the unfunny twelve, and complained that the Newsweek writer, Sarah Ball, should have taken on sacred comedy cows like the late George Carlin and Robin Williams.

Ball never got around to such an article, and so, a little while back, I offered, "Let Us Now Bash Robin Williams... And George Carlin!" in which I did my best to de-deify Carlin, the late comic legend.

Today, I offer the "Let Us Now Bash Robin Williams -- The Final Chapter" in which I finally get around to the eponymous Robin.

Here we go:

My complaint with Carlin was that he brought up weighty topics and offered wisdom, but not while getting laughs, and therefore his exalted status as a comedian, up there alongside Richard Pryor and Lenny Bruce, was not deserved. The reverse is true with Robin; he brings up weighty topics, offers punch lines that get laughs, but he does not offer wisdom. And so, he too, should not be exalted.

It appears that he does offer wisdom, but if you look closely, it's a con job -- he brings up a weighty topic, but he pays off the premise with -- at best -- jokes that segue to a much easier target. At worst -- and almost exclusively in recent years -- he pays off the premise with "dick jokes," i.e., easy, dumb punch lines, often involving the penis or some sort of bodily function.

How did Williams gain the reputation among so many as having something to say?

First, there was the the cluelessness of the entertainment press at the dawn of the stand-up comedy boom, circa the 1980s. Scribes writing for every periodical from the New York Times to Rolling Stone assumed the new breed of nightclub comedians was comprised of hordes of young David Brenners with nothing more on their mind other than airline food.

Had the culture tastemakers dropped by the NY, LA, Boston or Chicago comedy clubs, they would have caught the sets of Barry Crimmins, Randy Credico, Bill Hicks, Scott Blakeman, Jimmy Tingle, A. Whitney Brown, Lewis Black and a host of others, all incisively, and with big laughs, torching social and political topics.

Instead, every couple of years theater reviewers would take in a Robin concert at, for instance, New York's Metropolitan Opera House. Once seated, they would confuse the respectability of the venue for the content of the show. Laudatory reviews would pour in all saying some version of, "Williams is the only comic out there willing to take on the important topics and does so hilariously, while also offering brilliant commentary -- blah, blah, et cetera."

But if they had quoted actual jokes, the veil of misunderstanding would have been lifted and the con-job would have been quite evident -- when you go back and watch the concerts, you quickly notice, that although Robin had not yet sunk to ninety minutes of talking rectum jokes of recent days, there is no incisiveness offered.

For instance: The topic of a society hooked on cocaine is broached during the Live at the Met (1986) concert. But analysis of the topic is dropped for a punchline on how Japanese people snort coke and golfer's clothing.

The topics of guns and God is broached, but the investigation devolves into the topic of Chinese drivers, drunks hunting deer and Tammy Baker's jiffy-pop hairdo.

With the media encamped at Lincoln Center, the public bought the hype. How could you blame them? Where were the bulk of the Americans to see the new comics? Some tourists came to New York and found their way to the Improvisation or Catch-A-Rising-Star comedy clubs, but most went to see Cats. And meanwhile, the multitude of comedy clubs sprouting up at every former disco club from Bangor to Okinawa were less likely to book the cutting edge political comics.

And, then, factor two -- Robin's movie career. Turned out Robin was a great actor, with gravitas appropriate for roles way surpassing the lightweight fun of Mork from Ork. Seize the Day, Awakenings, the Fisher King, Dead Poets Society and Good Will Hunting came to theaters and the public got the gravitas of the films and heartfelt performances Williams delivered, confused with what the material he delivered on the stage. Could the winner of an Academy Award really be fixated on the penis and making fun of Asians?

Over the years, as Hicks, Black, Chris Rock, Jon Stewart, Bill Mahr, among others -- assisted by a now clued-in entertainment press -- brought authentic insight into stand-up prominence, the Williams myth remained.

I must add on a personal note, that even having laid all this out, I was nonetheless boggled watching Williams' most recent HBO special, Weapons of Self-Destruction. Feel free to skip the next few paragraphs as it does get tedious, but for those who care to, here is a rundown of the various weighty topics raised, followed by the nexus of the actual punchline:

Topic: Pharmaceutical companies. Topic of punchlines: Rectal ventriloquism. "Rectal exorcism." "Opening up your a--hole and..." A talking dick. "F*^ked in the a--." "Sh#^ting in my pants." Talking sperm. (Another) "finger in my a--." A--hole opening up.""If she puts a finger in my a--, than off we go."

Topic: Evolution. Topic of punchlines: "The mushroom cap, (penis)" Scrotum and balls. "Put the balls in the turkey neck." "Next to the a--hole, one of the uglier things we made." How to "start" the penis, "by hitting the balls really hard." "Curtains, (vagina.)" "The vagina was originally made horizontal." The vagina talks. "Two hands, two tits, that's it!" "Fire in the a- hole."

(In comparison, check out the same topic being covered by Ricky Gervais and Eddie Izzard.

Topic: His own alcoholism. Topic of punchlines: "Hey, somebody shit in my pants." A camel licking your balls. F^#king a sheep. (Another) a--hole talking. A--monkey." Women with tattoos look like something or other crawling into the a--hole. "Leave the dick on, and in an hour I'm going to turn on the a--hole."

(In comparison, check out Richard Pryor on his own addictions.)

Topic: Recent heart surgery. Topic of punchlines: "A horse sized cock." Getting a blow-job with a whistle in his dick. Sh^#ting standing up. Masturbating a tiny vagina. Proper hand gestures for connoting masturbation. (Another) "rectal exorcism." "Demon turd, fall from his a--."

(In comparison, check out Richard Pryor on his heart attack.)

But, the audience, throughout, was delighted. At one point, a woman laughed with such gusto at a joke that ends with a non-nonsensical punch line featuring the words, "head for the tits, I know my way from there!" that she ricochets forward as if her seat has been rear-ended by a Mack truck. The evident highpoint of the show, a riff on alternative fuels that ended, "You can fart and s^*t your way across the country -- F*@k green, go brown!!!" brought a thunderous ovation so loud it was as if Williams had just delivered the Sermon on the Mount.

And so I admit, clearly humor is in the eye of the beholder. But in the name of legions of comics who have scratched their heads at family gatherings over the past few decades when aunts and uncles were appalled that they didn't consider Robin a comedy God, I figured a bit of perspective was more than overdue.

One more point. Even on Self-Destruction, a few routines are mostly dick-joke free and journey admirably towards making a point. But, as comedians know, if you count on dick jokes ninety percent of the time, you suffer from your own choices, dumbing down the audience. Result being that even modestly inventive and intelligent riffs bomb, as does a nice routine on gay marriage and a great bit about banks offering "economic freebasing."

And finally, also on the upside of the Williams ledger, he soon comes to Broadway in the anything but a laugher, Bengal Tiger at the Baghdad Zoo and despite uneasiness in some theater circles, my bet is on him being terrific.

Lastly, I welcome all comments that I'm a bitter, unfunny, jerk. To that end, you can watch my days in stand-up and decide if I should have been part of the aforementioned, "Unfunny 12."

 
 
 
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drumz
Those little red panties they pass the test
03:38 PM on 02/11/2011
I have never understood what it is people have against RW and after reading this article I still don't.

He is one of the best ever.
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ElBruce
01:25 PM on 02/10/2011
It seems like this criticism of Williams is the converse of the criticism of Emo Philips that you criticized. Williams' jokes don't work on paper. They never have. It's his delivery that's funny. Mind you, he's not as funny as he used to be (and is more crude) but even his old material doesn't make any sense when you write it down and read it back. There's no reason that coke-fueled nonsensical rants can't be hilarious if performed properly.
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americancolonyinhell
12:08 PM on 02/10/2011
He was especially good at not being funny in Insomnia.
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mheister
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05:26 AM on 02/10/2011
And since comments are closed for your prior entry where you defend Emo Phillips, I just want to add my two cents.

Judy Tenuda played Siouxie Sioux to Emo's Robert Smith, and this Sarah Ball character singled out Emo? That's just sexist.

Emo Phillips has this amazingly well-written and well-delivered bit about attempting to rescue a man who's about to jump off a bridge by relating to his religion. His deeper social point about religious intolerance in our society resonates as strongly today (lamentably) as when he first did it.
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mheister
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05:19 AM on 02/10/2011
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but when Robin does score a social point, he can do with a quick memorable hook.

"Cocaine is God's way of saying you're making too damm much money".

Another time, he went on for awhile about his alcoholism and then referenced two stoners sitting in the corner saying he's right, (total stoner voice) "Alcohol's a crutch, man".

Williams is no Richard Pryor (who is?), but he's no Larry the Cable Guy either.
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M Jeffrey
04:17 AM on 02/10/2011
and you are who oh that's right a person that few know but yet you go after two increibly funny guys because for some reason they did not conform to what you think they should have. It is your opinion and you have that right but when you are dead and forgotten Carlin and Williams will be long remembered.
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Lollie Com
Habit kicks willpower's rear seven days a week!! ~
08:28 PM on 02/11/2011
He doesn't have to die to be forgotten. I already don't know him. Coitus him and the horse he rode in on.
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LMPE
I connect the most dissimilar things
12:56 AM on 02/10/2011
Whaddaya talkin' about? I saw Robin Williams in concert when he came to Portland and by the end, I was literally hoarse from laughing.
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mistercrispyusa
08:30 PM on 02/09/2011
Robin is really not appreciated or respected by his comedy peers. Imagine if Larry the Cable Guy had the reputation of Carlos Mencia for joke stealing...that is how he was perceived in the comedy industry from the onset of his career. I think the joke stealing reputation really got to him over the years. Combine that with how the internet makes it possible to fact check those accusations in real time, his complete dependence on fecal and sexual references as punchlines exposes a lack of comedic depth that has always been there underneath the talent for using funny voices to utter other comedians' best material. .
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RedRat
Ignorance is fixable, stupidty is forever
06:35 PM on 02/15/2011
I really do not get Larry the Cable Guy's humor. I have tried to watch his routines and just have to give up. Give me Lewis Black, Robin Williams, and the late George Carlin.

I will admit that since Williams went into rehab his timing is now slightly off. I saw this happen to another comic of yesteryear, Jonathan Winters. He was hilarious on Johnny Carson but after a stay in a mental institution he kind of fell flat. Perhaps that is what it takes to be a great comic or comedian, a slight mental aberration.
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mistercrispyusa
08:22 PM on 02/09/2011
Robin's comedy has been pretty much point free for a long, long while. As he's gotten older, he's relied on d1ck and fart jokes almost exclusively. Because he's gotten lazy. He doesn't have any insight, except to take an issue of the day and relate it to excrement or lewd.
03:30 PM on 02/09/2011
To start with, Carlin in his prime was very, very funny. My 16-year-old son has listened to and watched some of his old stand-up and he thinks Carlin is (was) hilarious.

I will say, though, that toward the end of his career, Carlin seemed to turn, for lack of a better word, grouchier and used four-letter words loudly as punchlines with less wit or cleverness than in his younger days.

Likewise, Robin Williams seemed funnier back in the day. But what made his comedy so great wasn't that he was brave to tackle tough issues, but that his comedic mind was faster than everyone else's. Some of his best stuff (having seem him live several times back in the 80s), was improvisational riffing with people in the audience or on talk shows. One little word or something catching his eye would result in a very funny bit.

So with all that said, I get the sense that your bashing of Robin Williams stems from the fact that comedians you prefer never got Williams' level of popularity or glory.

And this brings up a major pet peeve of mine: Why, in order to lift up one person, do people feel the need to put down others? Is it Williams' fault that A. Whitney Brown didn't get sell-out shows and movie deals? I tell my kids this all the time -- putting down someone else to make yourself look bigger just has the opposite effect. You look smaller.
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RedRat
Ignorance is fixable, stupidty is forever
06:38 PM on 02/15/2011
Carlin was funny but some of his appearances were kind of flat at times. I suspect it was drug use (he admitted as such), now whether the drugged shows were his best or worst, I can't say. I always liked him, he did have something to say. I think too many here have some hangups about scatological humor.
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stagebandman
02:20 PM on 02/09/2011
There are many types of comics. Not all of them have to be insightful or wise to be funny. And not all of them have to be overly smart. One needs only to look at Dennis Miller to see smart does not automatically equal funny. And while I enjoy the likes of Mahar, Brown, et al, they often seem to talk down to their audience. I love a comic who relates to the audience, otherwise, they're just acting like a comic, playing a character. Robin Williams openly plays characters in his act, lots and lots of characters, but he uses them to make his points. Manic isn't for everybody, but talking politics isn't for everybody, either. I know people who don't care for Lewis Black, but they've never seen him long form, or listened to the recordings. There is where he excels. His short spots on The Daily Show don't really give you the idea of what he can do. You say comedy is subjective, and it surely is, how else do you explain Larry The Cable Guy? But review the performer through your eyes, please, not through everybody's.
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11:11 AM on 02/10/2011
Well put.
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RedRat
Ignorance is fixable, stupidty is forever
06:41 PM on 02/15/2011
Well said. I think Dennis Miller is just bitter and his humor turns on his grouchiness, which rapidly become wearing. I like Bill Mahar but there are times when he does come across as pompous and condescending.
01:46 PM on 02/09/2011
I'm intelligent so I find most commedians unfunny. I tend to look for meaning and wisdom in their jokes. Mentioning body parts for any reason is more boring or disgusting than funny. But let's face it, commedians who do pointed humor, especially political and social humor, fall under the censor's gun quickly. I'm remembering Lenny Bruce and what they did to them. Smothers Bros. yanked off TV. David Steinberg's hilarious religious humor would not be tolerated by the Right today. He wanted to be rich and accepted. Sucked under the social rug was Geo. Carlin. What happened to the early David Brenner? Richard Pryor got gutted. Early Bill Cosby was a nifty social critic, but he wanted to be liked. The most pointed humor today is done by Bill Maher. You can learn something from him, get a different perspective, maybe not agree, but at least you feel a freshness to whatever argument he's making. Williams used to be great. But he wanted to be respectable.

If you want to tell the truth you have to be outside the establishment. Otherwise, you will be coopted. Ancient truth from the 60's.
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07:33 AM on 02/11/2011
You should check out Chris Rock's material and Ricky Gervais.
I agree with most of what you sad; except for finding most comedians unfunny - you don't have to be dumb to find something shallow funny.
01:36 PM on 02/12/2011
Thanks for reminding me of Chris Rock -- which also reminds me of all the unnecessary profanity many of today's commedians feel impelled to sling about. For me, that's a turnoff and distracting since this is not my everyday language. In fact, it's not most people's everyday language which makes it ultra distracting and detracts from the joke rather than adds to it especially since it's so liberally applied. Don't they know that most people laugh at swear words out of embarrassment rather than that they are funny? Is that the point of their humor -- to embarrass people? I thought it was to make them think, to give them a different take on an issue.

True, shallow can be funny as in watching someone texting while walking into a public pool. Bottom line: diversity is a marvelous thing especially when you get to pick and choose for yourself.
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RedRat
Ignorance is fixable, stupidty is forever
06:44 PM on 02/15/2011
the problem I have with Ricky Gervais is that his humor is just cruel without a point. I find that show now running TV about his partner from his podcasts traveling the world not humorous but cruel. It is taking funny on someone else's misery. That can be funny sometimes, but show after show I see it at as mocking. Gervais can be funny and his standup routines on cable have been hilarious.
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Lollie Com
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08:35 PM on 02/11/2011
I consider comedy a special kind of extra-intelligence. They see everything we see, plus they see all these hilarious angles that I didn't see. I don't doubt you find most comedians unfunny, however, I don't think that's because you're intelligent and you're probably quite intelligent. I just don't think they relate. Your not finding body part mentions funny relates more to prudishness than intelligence imho. But who am I trying to kid. I don't have a humble bone in my body. We're alike that way. :)
01:27 PM on 02/12/2011
Thanks so much for calling me a prude and telling me I'm arrogant! :) I may be opinionated, but I'm not arrogant or a prude. To expand on my point, I've left behind junior high smirking, although I still appreciate a good pratfall. But, please, saying fart 15 times is not funny! I also don't like insult humor, condolences to Don Rickles, not that he would care! In his case, what's funny is the man doing it more than the words coming out of his mouth and in between the insults are a few pithy observations. There are no pithy observations in farts. Commedians, for example, love to pick on Camilla Parker-Bowls whose only crime, as far as I can see, is to not be Princess Diana. So her face is long. The horse jokes aren't funny! They're mean-spirited and reveal nothing of her nature. So, all told, you and I are probably not that much alike. Unless you're a chocoholic.
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Jon Whittaker
Knock y'self a pro, slick
12:28 PM on 02/09/2011
So George Carlin sucks because he doesn't get laughs, and Robin Williams sucks because he gets too many laughs?
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11:12 AM on 02/10/2011
lol
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07:30 AM on 02/11/2011
Seriously people - he isn't saying they suck (although he comes close with Carlin) he is saying they do not belong in the pantheon that includes Pryor, Hicks, Bruce etc, because they lacked a crucial dimension. Carlin- not as funny ( I totally disagree here) and Williams- lack of Incite (I agree).
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giono
11:53 AM on 02/09/2011
Stand-up seen to have a relatively short shelf life as most comics who stay committed to stand-up seem to cease being funny after awhile....
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SpreadthePanic
11:18 AM on 02/09/2011
I think a lot of this is someone judging the entire careers of two well-established entertainers by the quality of their later work.

Carlin was a genius, pure and simple. In his prime, he kept the audiences in stitches. The last 3 or 4 HBO specials he made were not very good, as he seemed to have become this "grumpy old curmudgeon." But if you go back and listed to his older stuff (Classic Gold is probably the best example), it is hilarious. The one thing you can maybe knock Carlin for is that he stayed in the game too long, with a career spanning 52 years.

By contrast, Richard Pryor had a career that was approximately 15 years long. Hicks, Kinnison, Belushi, and others who died young also never got to that point where they just kept doing material and it got tired, and we never saw any of these people perform in their 70s.

Robin Williams, I agree with some of the criticisms, especially about his later work. But I don't think it's fair to say that a stand-up comedian is bad because they aren't tackling social issues. That's not what everyone in comedy is supposed to do, and it's also not what every comedy consumer wants to hear. I love Steven Wright, but I don't expect to get any real insight from his comedy.
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mistercrispyusa
08:24 PM on 02/09/2011
It IS fair to criticize a comedian like Robin Williams for not having insight into social issues, because social issues make up a substantial portion of his routine. If he was doing Steven Wright style one-liners, you'd have a point. But he's not. Robin's doing jokes that riff on political, social and economic events of the day, and doing a poor job of it compared to his peers.
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M Jeffrey
04:20 AM on 02/10/2011
nonsense
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11:16 AM on 02/10/2011
Crispy, perhaps the role of some of Williams's humor is momentary relief of the anxiety caused by current events and serious issues. Laughter, the best medicine. Not intellectual, not necessarily educational, but it makes me laugh.