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A Practicing Doctor's Prescription for Health Care Reform

Posted: 08/05/09 12:02 PM ET

Our national healthcare system needs a 'step-change', not incremental change. We are facing a vast and complex problem. Let's use it as an opportunity; rather than blaming our nation's health problems solely on corporations, providers, insurers, or the government, let's also think constructively about individual behavior and incentives.

Why do we stop at a red light? Why do we pay our grocery bill when we check out? Why are we compelled to 'service' our car when the red indicator light starts to flash? The simple answer is that if we don't we know we will incur a penalty. Either we have to pay to get things fixed later, or we pay extra financial fees, or we get nasty looks from our neighbors.

A behavioral sociologist would offer a more complex answer: such contracts form the heart of a civic society. We behave in accordance with laws and a sense of civic duty (we abide traffic signals) because we understand that preserving the community is ultimately self-preserving. We act in ways consistent with financial incentives, or disincentives (we service our cars) because it is immediately self-preserving.

Small, homogeneous countries like Denmark and Switzerland have a common historical thread -- the shame of the town square. That is, the personal accountability borne out of responsibility when using your fellow countryman's resources for you own good. Furthermore, citizens of these countries are inculcated at a young age to adhere to societal rules for the good and longevity of society.

The current US health care debate is starting to define itself by two rhetorical threads: finance reform and utilization/outcomes. The politico's wax and the physicians holler. Many cite the recent New Yorker article by Atul Gawande, "The Cost Conundrum", as the harbinger of the current crisis: procedure-oriented doctors as opposed to outcomes oriented doctors. There is plenty of mud being slung at the 'greedy' insurance companies, big pharma and the army of salesmen hawking questionably relevant middle-ware.

Nowhere in this debate is the patient, the consumer, and the citizen: the American! We lack accountability, responsibility and civic sensibility. It is Joe Diabetic that snacks on ice cream, misses appointments and doesn't take his insulin that increases the cost of health care. This diabetic will be admitted to your local ER with diabetic ketoacidosis and have many subsequent hospital admissions at our (read: your) expense, not his. This is a fundamental collective action problem.

Our town square is so big that we can get away with malfeasance to our village (and our country) with no shame. Yet, the forces of economics do not defy gravity and the cost of health care is now affecting all of us. Those of us that are untethered from the reality of cost are driving our health care 'car' into the ground.

Unless we get real foundational reform in health care, we will need to start a meaningful discussion of the "R" word as elegantly stated by Peter Singer, in his July 16th article in the New York Times, "Why We Must Ration Health Care." We are not a country used to contemplating rationing as an option. We're too great, we're too rich, and we're too smart. The reality is, if we don't get 'real' and individually 'responsible' in this great debate, we are really just too arrogant.

The only difference between our car and our body is that we don't have a flashing 'service' light -- and, more importantly, there is no consequence if we miss all our service checks. We can dismiss every doctor recommendation, ignore every 'annual appointment' and patently thumb our noses at our neighbors who watch us eat and not exercise. What's up with this? What happened to the ethos of World War I and World War II -- when we looked at our fellow citizens and made efforts to unload their burden? Now, the pendulum has swung wildly in the other direction -- numb, careless and self-centered. Civic duty is drowned out -- why? What happened?

I started thinking, where is the flashing 'service' light in our health care system. Where are the age-related, disease related or genetic reminders that could help us prevent illness, or at least, catch it early. The government has no problem regulating Wall Street, nuclear energy, the health care system and the legal system. Where are the regulations for maintaining personal health?

It is a privilege to drive a motor vehicle. We need to pass a test, show our competence and revisit this test at a government-determined frequency. If we get too many tickets, we lose our right to drive. Why can't we find the analogue for auditing personal responsibility in health care? The current system is basically like going shopping with someone else's credit card -- no limit, no penalty, no shame.

My solution is simple: match personal behavior with benefits. You either get with the health program or you don't get the benefits. Every patient should have the opportunity to meet with a physician which lays out a cogent, fair and meaningful plan for health. For example, if Joe Diabetic was given a road map of appointments (online) that meet the standard of care for diabetics, and he actually showed up, without fail, to the doctor, the podiatrist, the nutritionist and followed their subsequent recommendations, he would not need an ER visit and we would not shoulder his cost. If he misses these critical steps in his care, he pays, not us. Sure, there will be exceptions for missing appointments, but there must be the rule.

When the flashing 'service' light goes off, you must take care of the issue. If you don't, you risk being relegated to the "ration pool". We could have centers for nutrition, psychology and exercise that would award 'points' commensurate with your commitment to your health. Without fair and appropriate carrots and sticks, health care will become our Waterloo. Let's pick ourselves up, look ourselves in the mirror and pay attention to our individual health. Ultimately, our individual health is the best proxy for our nation's health -- it will save trillions of dollars over time. This plan will cost less than providing blanket insurance for all, and will provide tangible incentives to the millions of Americans committed to living healthy lives. If we don't, we'll just continue our slow decline from Pax Americana to Lax Americana.

 

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Our national healthcare system needs a 'step-change', not incremental change. We are facing a vast and complex problem. Let's use it as an opportunity; rather than blaming our nation's health proble...
Our national healthcare system needs a 'step-change', not incremental change. We are facing a vast and complex problem. Let's use it as an opportunity; rather than blaming our nation's health proble...
 
 
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12:28 AM on 08/27/2009
yes, and why not penalize the mentally ill, the disabled, and those who get cancer. maintaining a human body is not the same as maintaining a car, and not everyone is a mechanic or doctor or has access to preventive care. mistaking luck for virtue is dangerous when it comes to health.

and how will this incentivized health behavior be monitored? by installing chips in people's heads? demerits for faulty thinking that leads to stress related illnesses? for who people sleep with? i pray that people who make a "modest proposals" like this are spared from tempting fate and living to eat their words when they come face to face the unfathomable mystery of life, death and illness.

not everything can be controlled by will and behavior. the author would be hard pressed show me 3 people of his acquaintance who actually have free will rather than being driven by complexes, compensatory drives, need and urges beyond their control and awareness. ask any psychologist or student of human nature! utterly ridiculous!

none of which is to say that people should not be empowered, educated, and encouraged to do their utmost to take care of themselves. but there is much that is outside of individual control including accidents, trauma, environmental toxins, genetic predisposition, quality of food and water available, wartime injuries, complicated childbirth, and last but not least iatrogenic disorders!
01:38 PM on 08/27/2009
I agree, but it seems that Dr. Shlain doesn't answer many comments pointing out the complexity of the problem. I agree with your comment that people should be "empowered, educated, and encouraged", and feel that this is part of the role of health care providers. (Minor example: the doctor who told me to get a dog to lose weight gave bad, simplistic advice; the doctor who told me that each pound lost was seven pounds of pressure off my arthritic knees gave useful encouragement.) An attitude towards patients that is judgmental or simplistic will only discourage patients from seeking help for many things...obesity, mental health, etc. Your mention of iatrogenic disorders makes me wonder if you, too, have had serious complications or adverse effects due to medical treatment. I'm not prying; I just want to say that if that's the case I empathize. It's important to respect what doctors know AND what they don't know.
02:01 PM on 08/27/2009
I don't have a specific horror story about life threatening iatrogenic problems but I do think that patients have to be careful to evaluate the side-effects of all treatments to be sure they know what they are getting into.

I also think that obesity has become a ridiculously simplistic cipher for the social darwinism that is coming out in the health care debate. If it was as simple as eating well and exercising, then many thin people who have horrible habits would be overrweight, and the many scrupulously healthy overweight people would get better returns for their efforts.

Then there is the issue of erroneous causality assumptions. It is my belief that the unfounded touting of the low fat (high in simple carb withouth sufficient fat and protein) diets of the 80s has contributed to the diabetes epidemic. Until recently doctors were telling their diabetic patients to eat white bread several times a day. So for a doctor to get on his high horse about behavioral causality with only a rudimentary knowlegde of endocrinological complexities or cutting edge nutritional epidemiology is just egregiously irresponsible.
07:34 PM on 08/17/2009
Dr. Shlain is correct, but only in a very myopic way. His proposal focuses on microeconomics and ignores macroeconomics.

Penalizing investors for making poor choices (microeconomics) doesn't help them when companies like Enron have carte blanche to lie about everything they're doing across an entire industry and are essentially unregulated (macroeconomics).

Raising tuition rates on parents whose children are doing poorly in school (microeconomics) is not a viable strategy to improving student performance, when the education budget for an entire state has been gutted and there are 45 students per teacher in every class in every school in a district (macroeconomics).

If the government mandates smoking cessation but does not make cigarettes illegal, all it has done is create a new way to tax smokers. But that would be okay from Dr. Shlain's perspective, because smoking any given cigarette is just a choice at the microeconomic scale, even though the addition of over two hundred chemicals to the tobacco in each cigarette will increase smoking with actuarial certainty across whole populations at the macroeconomic scale.

The problem with our health care system is not simply that patients make poor choices. The system itself is flawed.

Threatening people for failing to comply in a system that guarantees their failure is cruel. It does, however, get everyone else off the hook of feeling that there is shared responsibility for our mutual welfare, which ironically, is what he appears to be trying to promote.
12:38 PM on 08/15/2009
It sounds good on paper... but isn't a slippery slop towards Refrigerator Police? And why all the emphasis on fat people as the only problem. I say that all the parents to put their kids into injury and lifetime damage laden activities like football, cycling or skiing need to pay extra too.. and maybe have the police check their closets to make sure their kids protective gear is up to snuff. Also anorexics and bulimics need this heavy authoritarian treatment too. A close fmaily member ran up just as many hospital bills as the irresponsible diabetic one did, only she was starving herself. And if you willfully give birth to a downs syndrome baby you better be able to prove that you have the 100 K a year to take care of them and school them for the rest of their lives. Let's say you drink two drinks and slip and break a bone should you be denied health care too? We seem to be treating some diseases that also lead to behavioral problems or are a result of behavioral choices as severe moral trespasses on all of us ... but its noted by me that there is great hypocrisy and rush to control as people demonized those not like them and ignore their own drain on the system.

Trust me the obese person is already punished by their own body.
09:52 PM on 08/15/2009
The obese do abuse their body...sure...and your tax dollars are soon going to pay for it...and offer no incentive or disincentive for them to change behavior!
05:57 PM on 08/20/2009
Obesity is frequently demonized in debates over health coverage.
I'm curious. In your practice do you:
-routinely screen patients for polycystic ovary syndrome (approx. 10% of women), subclinical hypothyroidism, many other metabolic conditions?

-warn patients when prescribing drugs that frequently cause weight gain?

-distinguish "apple vs pear" distribution's impact on cardiovascular health? Or that fat and exercising is often healthier than skinny and not exercising?

-take patients' financial circumstances into account when advising about improving diet, types of exercise?

-most medical schools include little nutrition instruction - have you educated yourself about high fructose corn syrup debate? Shared that knowledge with patients accessibly? Or our brains may overcompensate by overeating because food is literally less nutritious than decades ago?

-if not help, at least understand patients who may eat (rather than smoke or drink) during unavoidable stress (unemployment, caring for seriously ill relatives)

You say the obese are abusing their bodies. Perhaps, but often with help of heredity, medicine, corporate greed's effects on the food supply. Others also "abuse" their body, but without censure. Do you tell patients their knee replacements shouldn't be paid for if they abused their knees with high-impact exercise or sports?

Obese people have the misfortune to wear what others consider their vice visibly. They receive insults and patronizing, simplistic advice. If the medical community truly knew how to solve obesity there wouldn't be a diet industry worth billions. Now you'd like to add injury to insult by making them pay. IMHO - simplistic view /
12:22 PM on 08/11/2009
@Mikefina...cont.....

We also obviously have a difference of philosophy. I tend towards John Donne's "No man is an island...Each man's death diminishes me". I certainly recognize personal responsibility, but also community responsibility. You lean in the opposite direction. A generalized observation from an outsider. Just as Americans seem to take patriotism to almost religious fervour, self-reliance seems to be glorified or mythologized. Part of your national character. Frontier spirit, etc.

FInally, as to why, as a Canadian, I weigh in on these discussions, the reason is twofold. First, based on, admittedly, my own priorities, I find it mind boggling that the US is the only major industrialized country to not have some form of universal health care. Second, both from politicians and journalists, a lot of misinformation about Canada's system, and socialized medicine in general, is being put forth, either through lack of knowledge or to deliberately skew the debate. I enter these discussion to give a more accurate view of our system. If one is going to debate an issue, one should at least have accurate information. Hopefully, despite our difference in philosophy and opinion, we can find common ground in favouring accurate debate and at least considering the issue of health care important enough to be worthy of substantive debate.
12:06 PM on 08/11/2009
@Mikefina...I'm answering as a new thread because the reply option is missing from your comment below. Thanks for the return to the issues. Obviously we will have to agree to disagree. My point is that everyone places their desires above those of others, and not all priorities can be accommodated since many are contradictory. I used the example of agricultural subsidies...subsidizing corn to be used not only for human consumption and animal feed (which already has health implications), but also as a low cost sweetener - high fructose corn syrup - which may cause serious health problems. Again, scientific and nutritional opinion differs on this. If it is as unhealthy as some nutritionists claim, personal responsibility would then extend to defending oneself from the impact of corporate greed on the food supply. As I said, this is not where I would choose to put tax revenue or work product as you prefer to call it. I also have much more extensive and serious experience with the limitations of medicine than I shared in my original post. I am not anti-medicine and not a proponent of alternative medicine; I just have a healthy respect for how much doctors don't know and how much they get wrong. Perhaps you've been luckier in your personal experience.

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12:48 PM on 08/08/2009
From a doctor friend of mine:
When I talk to my business friends about this, I use this illustration of Health Care they way it is practiced today: I propose to have them invest a million dollars with me on an invention I have. It has a 99% percent chance of failing, and if it does work it will only last for a short time. of course, my smart business friends pass on the investment...this is what we do in thousands of Hospitals, across the Country hundreds of times a day...the results are that predictable.
07:12 PM on 08/06/2009
whatever happened to darwinism. it sounds really great to say everyone should have all of the healthcare they need, but i havent seen arianna huffington or anyone else on this blog offer up their hard earned $ to treat people in need. If you really think everyone in the US should have free healthcare then why not the whole world. are diabetics in mexico so inferior to us that they should be left to die. the children of bill gates shouldn't be given special priveleges just because they were born into a good family. their $ should be taken to care for the people with genetic defects and the diabetic lady who parks in the handicap spot because she is too fat to walk across the parking lot. i have read alot of hypocrisy on this blog. things are much better done than said. i bet not a single person on here is willing to lower their standard of healthcare and give up their retirement savings to help homeless diabetics
10:20 PM on 08/06/2009
Really? Social darwinism? What's next...eugenics? I live in Canada, so my tax dollars do help pay for universal health care and I am comfortable with a system that is based on needed care, not ability to pay. It seems faulty reasoning to argue that if the world cannot have universal (not free) health care than the US should not adopt it. I could reverse the argument and ask if US citizens are somehow not as worthy as Canadian and European citizens, who already have universal health care. In an ideal world, everyone would have accessible health care...and enough food, clean water, etc., but obviously we do not live in an ideal world. That is no excuse not to fix the problems in your own country.
11:41 AM on 08/07/2009
ok, maybe eugenics is pushing it, but it does seem to work for every other species on the planet. i think free basic healthcare is a good idea in general. i think its ridiculous that we have it in the US for people over 65 but not children under 18. however, the current US system calls for the most expensive health care in the world for every patient. this is the 'standard of care' if everything isnt done for every patient there are 20 lawyers waiting to get rich. this will not change soon. lawyers make all the laws in this country.the check for this will be written on the backs of the wrong people. doctors will be paid less and we will paid less and less bright people will go into this field. there is already a tremendous percentage of foreign medical graduates in primary care. i think the employers who will be mandated to pay for their employees healthcare will just pass the cost along to either the employee or the customer. the middle class will be paying for most of this. i think it will make it that much more difficult for a regular guy to succeed in this country, now he not only has to do well for himself and his family, but has to support even more lazy people than ever who realize we have the greatest safety net in the world and dont have much incentive to work or take care of themselves.
01:30 PM on 08/06/2009
Dr Shlain seemed really off base in his discussion and I don't think blame the patient works real well when the nation is trying to work together for health reform. And yes we should and can blame the government and the insurance industry for the situation we are in. Rage is appropriate with the amount and level of services they have provided us for the amount of money we pay per person in the US. I think we should be very angry. Also where does addiction, PTSD, or Depression fall into your theory of personal responsibility?
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02:54 PM on 08/06/2009
It fits in thusly: if you are Depressed, an addict or diagnosed with PTSD--SHOW UP FOR TREATMENT AS PRESCRIBED. If so, you might reasonably expect some help from you doctors and the larger pool of insurance participants. If you don't show up, and don't follow the recommendations, take the meds or exercise as counselled, then YOU PAY FOR IT.

How's that grab ya?
04:12 PM on 08/06/2009
Look up the word iatrogenic. Sometimes treatment AS PRESCRIBED can be injurious, such as the increased rate of suicidal thoughts by teenagers prescribed SSRI antidepressants as just one example.
03:18 PM on 08/27/2009
Mikefina, I guess you would ask your elderly parents with alzheimers to just get with it? You show a completely lack of understanding of mental illness. The reason that it is called a mental illness is that it interferes with cognitive and emotional functioning, including being able to advocate or act for one's own welfare the way you would without that mental illness. Otherwise depressed people would just snap out of it. And soldiers coming back from war trauma wouldn't become agoraphobic due to hypervigilance.

Even if the patient does everything as required, the treatments are not cut and dried or foolproof. Some are barely effective and cause other problmes, as Zoe27 comments. Ask any mental health professional. Or any medical professional. Otherwise doctors would give money back gurantees.
12:37 PM on 08/06/2009
I find this idea arrogantly simplistic.

It ignores the role of heredity, stress, mental health, mitigating factors going undiagnosed for years, adverse or atypical treatment results, conflicting expert opinion, etc. Truly individualized goals for patients taking everything into account would be beyond the scope of doctors. Two personal examples: I have sleep apnea and polycystic ovaries, both starting when I was a statistically healthy weight, both undiagnosed for years despite symptoms. These contributed to blood pressure and weight gain issues. Presumably I would have paid for my health care because I did not successfully address either issue, both attributable or mitigated by conditions undiagnosed for years. Personal responsibility is fine and healthy living should be encouraged, but bodies are too complex to reduce to simple goals/results. So is human nature. Take stress, which many can't avoid (unemployment, caring for ill relatives, etc.)...stress has physiological repurcussions, and telling people to just reduce stress ignores the unavoidable. Obesity is frequently mentioned by people who don't want public health insurance. So, when it's time for knee replacements, it's fine to decline payment because of obesity, but someone who damaged their knees exercising by jogging for years on hard pavement would be approved? Shouldn't they have chosen low-impact exercise - swimming, elliptical runners? How fine a seive will these "personal responsibility" judgments be put through. Universal health care is an ethical issue. To introduce punitive measures under the guise of personal responsibility lacks understanding of doctors' limitations and human nature.
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02:57 PM on 08/06/2009
To take my money to pay for your complexity understates and fails to appreciate the complexity of my financial circumstances. I might have other uses for my money that demand you respect MY wishes. My time might be more valuable than the value you place on it, and you don't get to prevail over MY wishes.
So, be as 'complex' as you want--but stop making so many demands on my dime.
04:16 PM on 08/06/2009
Actually, I expect the tax code to take the complexity of your financial circumstances into account and think your health insurance should be covered whether you can afford to pay taxes or not, just as I think you deserve police and fire departments, clean water, public schools, etc. I don't approve of everything my taxes go toward, and to expect that would be naive.
12:32 PM on 08/06/2009
Thanks for a thought provoking post-but as a nurse, I beg to differ. The way to help more people achieve better health is through on-going relationships like the ones you apparently have with your patients. Unfortunately, this is a rarity! To provide good nutitional, exercise , childrearing etc.etc.etc. advice is timeconsuming and most docs won't do it-many do not even feel the need to know this stuff! Nurses-especially nurse practicioners-are ideal for providing these services along with well-person check-ups . The resistence of the medical profession to the practice of these well-educated, highly motivated and less expensive (greedy) caregivers is one way in which docs are still part of the problem, not part of the solution.

PS Most docs I know are single-payer advocates. are you?
02:14 PM on 08/06/2009
"The resistance of the medical profession to the practice (of nurse practiioners) . . ." is a BIG part of the problem. When my daughter was interviewing for medical schools, one of the interview questions was always, "How would you fix the health care system ?" (Right, in thirty seconds or less !) So I gave her my answer :

"Empower nurse practitioners and public health nurses with more autonomy and establish community clinics at every elementary school in the country. Staff them for extended hours, 5 am to 11 pm or 24-7 if necessary, hiring security guards as needed. Make preventive care and home visits important parts of the clinic's services. That is the most immediate route to better health care."

My daughter said, "I know, mom, but I don't dare say anything like that if I want to be accepted."
12:24 AM on 08/06/2009
As a writer who covers health care and pharma companies, I've noticed that what's becoming better understood is that our healthcare crisis is fundamentally a business problem. Outdated information technology, overall inefficiency and poor customer choices very often leave people with unpleasant side effects – and that's putting it mildly. But Dr. Shlain's article resonated with me. Now, perhaps that's because he's my family doctor, and I know that what he is saying comes from the heart. Or, maybe it's because his message reflects practical common sense.

I wonder -- Why should the notion that we all need to have skin in the health care game ruffle so many feathers on this site? Dr. Shlain's core idea isn't about carrots or sticks, or punitive frameworks, or complicated government incentives. It's about the simple idea of personal responsibility. Patients need to actively versus passively manage their own health-related outcomes. As Dr. Shlain explains, the protocol will vary from patient to patient, but by doing this more effectively, the country can potentially save billions in health related costs, and we can all begin to feel (and look) a lot better. So, remind me, what is everyone bitching about?
03:29 PM on 08/06/2009
Maybe he's a better dr than this article sounds.
As Jane Diabetic who is uninsureable because of my autoimmune disease, and who does take personal responsibility for checking my blood sugars frequently throughout the day,complete with the multiple shots required and attention to diet/exercise, yet still on occasion need the ER, managing to pay for it all by myself, I admit I took great exception to his example.
Plus, if the tools/medicine required to manage any disease is prohibitively expensive, it can make it a bit difficult.
If he was my dr and copped the attitude displayed in his writing, I'd have to fire him.
02:06 PM on 08/12/2009
I reread Dr. Shlain's article based on your comments. His article specifically does mention punishment for poor choices. (You pay more.) His main point is that the physician will lay out a plan and the patient will follow it or there will be negative consequences;

- If I get a second opinion, who decides which plan I have to follow and how much I have to "pay" based on not following which plan?
- If I'm particularly dumb and don't go to a physician when the infirmities of age creep up, will the payment I have to bear include denial of care because of my "dumbness"? (I'll be on Medicare and have no income except Social Security.)
- Dr. Shlain's plan puts extraordinary power in the hands of physicians, when they make mistakes will I get a refund of my "extra" payments???

My point is that Dr. Shlain's plan is unrealistically simplistic. We, as Americans, have a birthright of Freedom. Shackling us to a "plan" is not OK. At present, the consequences of poor lifestyle choices are poor health and a likely early death. Denying care by making it more expensive if you are sick or haven't followed "the plan" are not alternatives I will accept.

The poor will be cared for, the rich will be cared for, the working guy with a "getting by" job will be the only one punished for his poor choices. Kinda like the system we have now. ... .. isn't it?
02:51 PM on 08/12/2009
Hello - Dr. Shlain here. I agree that we have a birthright to freedom however we also don't want to bankrupt the country.
I think that any 'plan' should be mutually agreed upon by doctor and patient. If someone wanted a second opinion, they should get it and be allowed to get it.
No one should be "shackled", but no one should also spend someone elses money without having some level or form of accountability.
My next post will be about 'physician responsibility' - and I will address your 'refund' question.
Thank you.
06:27 PM on 08/05/2009
The worst problem with our “healthcare†system is that Americans don’t care about their health. Our obesity rate is near 30% and increasing drastically. 20% are smokers. Too many lead a sedentary life and don’t eat nutritious meals. We abuse our bodies and then expect miracle cures when we suffer from the consequences. Per the CDC, 36% of medicare spending and 47% of medicaid spending is due to obesity alone, and 70% of our healthcare costs are due to diseases that could be eliminated or reduced drastically with healthy personal habits. No matter how much we “reform†healthcare, there will be negligible impact unless there are drastic changes in our personal behavior. Forget “physician heal thyselfâ€, it should be “patient heal thyselfâ€. We have lost our personal responsibility and expect others to take care of us irrespective of the abuses we subject on our bodies.
07:04 PM on 08/05/2009
Well said!
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07:24 PM on 08/05/2009
I don't think you have any worries in the long run. Austerity is making a comeback and our Puritan roots are coming out of the closet. We're working out all the details of American 'fundamentalism' as we speak. There will be rules...lots of rules. The sorting has begun in earnest...the "chosen" and the "sinners". You'll notice President Obama hasn't been foolish enough to over emphasize the justice or the moral aspects of health care. "Bottom line" is the reason you should support it. Evidently he knew the country well enough not to rest his case on the empathy of citizens. It would be naive to think this won't end up in publicly sanctioned demonizing of individuals. It won't just be opinion, it will be public policy. Perhaps we can put people to work stitching up scarlet "A's".

Maybe we should send all the sinners to France! ("Please don't throw me in the brier patch!!)
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09:59 PM on 08/05/2009
I am with you in France, 6 weeks of vacation, single payer, and retire after 40 years.... I dream of the next generation getting these types of benefits, but it will never happen here....
06:21 PM on 08/05/2009
The ideas to bring in the debate personal responsibility and to create incentives for patients to work on prevention are brilliant. It shouldn't mean, though, that patients would be rewarded or sanctioned over the outcome (which is something they only have a limited control over), but over the process (meaning taking the necessary steps required in order to be likely to reach a favorable outcome).
Another comment stresses that incentivizing patient to live healthy is an unacceptable limitation to his freedom and leads to tyranny. I disagree since you can opt out from the requirements of the system, but at your own cost. And what is that concept of freedom for which others have to pay for! Furthermore, if the US government want to get serious about a health care system that covers every residents with a solidary aspect, some requirements over behaviors is a political necessity. Without it, it is politically hard to sell any welfare program.
I do believe, though, that such a dramatic change (personal responsibility and rewarding/sanctioning behaviors) would require a lot of policy adjustments. Citizens and patients are put in front of contradictory pressures. But it is not because the task is considerable that we should give up on working on it. The US health care system is indeed in deep need of a radical turn.
05:40 PM on 08/05/2009
Well thanks for making clear how difficult health care issues are, at least. You have managed to verify the greatest fears of the most rapid wingnut about lefty attitudes towards health care and "big government".

I've always worried that this is the real problem with socialized medicine, be it single payer or 'public option'. I'm afraid I'm just not going to be able to see any system that doesn't allow me to continue my self-destructive behavior unmolested as anything but tyranny. I mean, I'm mostly a liberal, but I don't think it matters how gently you try to 'incentivise' one behavior or 'disencourage' another, you just end up demonizing "the weak" and blaming the poor for their suffering.

Seriously, I haven't seen one person, Democrat or merely liberal, ever once address the danger of this "we can control your behavior because you're costing us money" aspect of public health insurance. And that concerns me.
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05:23 PM on 08/05/2009
"Why can't we find the analogue for auditing personal responsibility in health care? The current system is basically like going shopping with someone else's credit card -- no limit, no penalty, no shame."

(Setting aside the fact that many encounters with the health care system are not due to poor lifestyle...)

I think that last thing we need to do is adopt a punitive model for health care.

We are already paying for results of bad behavior. Only we're paying at the most expensive level!

It's time we try to act like adults and face the facts that these people exist and won't go away because we punish them.

We need to leave the punitive mindset behind and deal with these issues as the public health problems they are. Put together a system that supports good decisions rather that punishing them by taking away the very thing that could help them. Compassion is needed not a puritanical approach.

There is only one solution that delivers the goods and it's simple...

Single Payer.

Put the entire country (including people on Medicare and Medicaid) on the same plan as congress. One bill from providers a month, one check issued per month. Everybody plays by the same rules. Problem solved. Billions saved.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05222009/watch2.html
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/category/section/the_list
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dogdiva
08:08 PM on 08/05/2009
Excellent post. Thank you so much for the pnhp link! It's excellent. I wish it were more prominent.