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Divorce Civil Rights

Posted: 09/01/11 02:56 AM ET

As a society, we find profiling -- painting a group of people with such a broad brush -- to be wholly unacceptable.

Except when it applies to men in family courts.

Quite frankly, men's rights has become a civil rights issue. When you think of the progress we've made in civil rights, men's rights as it pertains to the family have been neglected.

Profiling of different groups based on skin color, age, disabilities, etc., is not permissible. We regard these generalizations as being deplorable in virtually every sphere of civil rights, but for some reason these generalizations and assumptions are permissible as they pertain to men in domestic scenarios.

There is an institutional family court bias, but we can't simply blame judges. Sure, they are human beings and have preconceptions like everyone else, but it goes much further than that.

The family law industry as a whole -- from attorneys to social workers -- makes presumptions about men and fathers.

Historically, women have usually been the primary nurturers. Judges and opposing counsel can quite persuasively argue that statistically moms more often than not are the ones that are the primary caregivers.

Yet the problem with stereotyping, as civil rights leaders pointed out, is that stereotypes are built on probabilities that do not give fair opportunity to others, to the innocent in that group.

Ironically, the feminist movement, which was largely in response to men's cultural and economic dominance, cast aside men whose roles in family courts were already tenuous. Dads were victims of being male at a time when the movement was not sympathetic to their position.

Men generally were less the subject of the civil rights movement than the obstacle, and for that reason there weren't many sympathetic ears turned toward men, particularly in family court.

As a result, a group think has emerged that has unfortunately elevated the interest of women above the interest of men.

A case we are handling at Cordell & Cordell is a classic example of the lopsided fight dads must face: Our client has three kids in elementary school. He and his wife are equal on all common factors.

How equal? They work for the same company in similar positions. They earn the same amount of money and even have essentially the same retirement benefits. They are both involved with their children's extracurricular activities; he coaches soccer, she helps with choir. Prior to the divorce, they often drove together to drop off the kids at school, went to work, picked up the kids together after work and went home for dinner.

If ever there is a textbook example of granting 50-50 shared parenting time, this is it. Yet the case has waged on for almost a year with no resolution because we have had to fight at every turn to overcome the presumption that Mom should have more time with the kids than Dad because, well, she's Mom.

This systematic discrimination happens every day but goes largely unnoticed. The impact of the obscurity of this issue is that there is not the attention, inclination or support necessary in order for men's rights to receive the political, social and economic momentum that is required to correct this prejudice.

The millions of men and fathers who find themselves in family law courtrooms across America feel as though they are in the dark corner of the room.

It's time a light is shone on the injustice and there be the same sort of concern of fair play that is given other individuals.

Joseph Cordell is the Principal Partner of Cordell & Cordell, a nationwide domestic litigation firm focused on men's family law matters. Cordell & Cordell also provides a website dedicated to informing men on the divorce process and the challenges they face. Visit http://www.dadsdivorce.com for more information.

 
As a society, we find profiling -- painting a group of people with such a broad brush -- to be wholly unacceptable. Except when it applies to men in family courts. Quite frankly, men's rights has be...
As a society, we find profiling -- painting a group of people with such a broad brush -- to be wholly unacceptable. Except when it applies to men in family courts. Quite frankly, men's rights has be...
 
 
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01:41 PM on 09/09/2011
It’s beyond time America wakes up to the atrocities fathers face when against such a grievously biased 'legal system'. I’ve been fighting for over 2 years for shared parenting (both parents in the children’s lives equally), after the ex agreed it was ‘in the children’s best interest’ which is a criteria used by family courts. Now, she will not agree because she will lose MONEY. The attorney was right when he asked me…’You know family courts are all about the money, right?’

Are men treated as 3rd class citizens in Family Court...ABSOLUTELY!!

Alive and well in America...
Sexual Discrimination...Indentured Servitude...Debtors Prison
Brought to YOU by US Family Courts.

Take a stand and support Family Law Reform!
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trthsetsfree2
12:19 AM on 09/08/2011
THERE IS NO CHILD SUPPORT MONEY. If the two parents have average incomes and they live apart then neither of them can afford to support the other's household. IMO, the best that can be expected is the child spend time at both homes. Therefore the laws in Texas are awful, also. Shared Parenting Legislation would presume equal custody. Read more at www.acfc.org.
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trthsetsfree2
11:49 PM on 09/07/2011
Natalie,

Glad you are here away from those poor communicators from before. I am pro-life and I agree with you. Often people say it takes two to make a child, but they do not mind receiving the entitlements mostly based on gender. Good post!
12:34 AM on 09/08/2011
Fanned and lmao @ poor communicators. Glad u made it over as well.
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trthsetsfree2
12:01 PM on 09/08/2011
I find there are still too many who ignore the issues presented. But it is better here since all comments are screened before publication.
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LemurTech
04:48 PM on 09/07/2011
I am floored that this article has made it to what I have begun to think of as the Fox News of gender relations--to coin a phrase used by another observer on these forums.
12:44 PM on 09/06/2011
Yes men are second class citizens in family court. Should that change is an entirely different conversation.
10:44 AM on 09/06/2011
Wow! Suprised HP allowed an article on equal rights (not just women advantage).
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Erinaleks
Architectural Artisan, Free Thinker
07:04 PM on 09/05/2011
I'm surprised this article made it on HP. Family Court is travesty. I'm glad the men are being so vocal. All of us who have been through the system know what it is like to be a 3rd class human
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trthsetsfree2
02:49 PM on 09/05/2011
Mr. Cordell is absolutely right. I will go even further. The child support system is the new slavery. This country and fortunes were built on slavery (involuntary servitude) and it continues today because of the child support system. Slaves were forced to work for free, were separated from their children, were denied common legal rights and were shackled or handcuffed. All of the above is meted out to fathers but not because of race, but because of gender. Just like blacks were made slaves because of color. Fathers are made slaves because of gender. The new civil rights battle should be over the child support slavery scam.

The one's benefiting are the child support system, the courts, the attorneys, the section 8 program, the child care industry, the stripper club industry, the gay industry, the criminal justice industry, the church industry, the illegal drug industry and many more related industries. They all benefit from the broken family.

There is legislation pending called Shared Parenting which would presume equal custody of children. That would improve the chances of fathers being in the lives of women and children. Read more at www.acfc.org. Other methods to correct the problems are in the book The Ten Relationship Rules For Family Power by Eric Harriel.
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Ed Baker
All Hail Big Mother
02:09 PM on 09/06/2011
The "gay industry?" I was pretty sympathetic with you until that.

What is the "gay industry?" How exactly to gay people profit from child support?
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trthsetsfree2
02:34 PM on 09/06/2011
The gay industry profits from family breakdown. The more males and females who are not used to, defiant of, or protected by the hetero family are more subject to being influenced to the gay lifestyle or sent to prison where the gay lifestyle flourishes more freely.
I have nothing against gays, but the lifestyle is counter the hetero life style of which I am a proponent. The gay industry is any business that regularly profits from the gay lifestyle. For example, gay bars and clothing are part of the gay industry.
02:13 PM on 09/07/2011
After looking into the laws of my state, Texas, the child support laws aren't as bad as I had thought. The breakdown in the system is with attorneys who don't tell you what you need to know about the laws. Mr. Cordell is absolutely off base. The child support is based on what you and the wife agree too unless it is argues correctly. If you agree to divorce and agree that she should have custody, then you are also agreeing to let the court settle the dispute and give the court the discretion to determine the amount of child support based on wide discretion under circumstances that exist. If you sign the divorce and approve as to the substance, the fault is not on the law itself but on an uninformed agreement that you had made.

Once men start fighting for their rights of parenting and not agreeing to divorce, then things will change but not untill then. Marriage is a right, parenting and family are rights, divorce is not. There is nothing within the laws of any state that says that a spouse has the right to a divorce.
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trthsetsfree2
03:09 PM on 09/10/2011
The law also states involuntary servitude is illegal but child support payments if not volunteered amount to involuntary servitude. The law also states there shall be no laws that discriminate because of among other reasons, gender. Yet clearly the laws favor the female for custody. The law also eliminated debtors prisons. However the faux debt called child support lands many men and women in jail.

Clearly this country is NOT going by the rule of law.
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Brash and Harsh
12:13 AM on 09/05/2011
Keep this in mind. Unlike every other situation in which one person (almost always the ex-wife) is given money by a second person (almost always the ex-huaband), for the benefit of a third person (the child), in a child support situation, there is absolutely no requirement that the first person (the mother) make any accounting to the second person (the father) for the money she receives for the benefit of the third person (the child).

If the husband died, and left an insurance policy for the child, with the wife as trustee, she would have to account for the money she spends. Not so if he is alive.


If the ex-wife is clever, this can work out tremendously to her advantage.

a) Have more than one stream of child support. Each father pays the maximum that way.

b) Marry well, so the child support can go to those "little luxuries" that the first ex-never provided.

c) Any increase in the ex-wife's earnings almost always yields an increase in the ex-husband support payment. This sounds counter-intutitive, but its not.

d) Of course the best pay off for the wife is if the child is declared "disabled" before the child reaches 18. Then she has lucked into a life time pension.
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Ed Baker
All Hail Big Mother
02:11 PM on 09/06/2011
There was a woman in my office one day who bragged that she had 4 children from 4 different fathers, and that she was very careful to bear the first born of each of these men so as to collect the maximum child support from each of them. She was planning to divorce the current husband, and she was 8 months pregnant with his first born as well.
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Brash and Harsh
09:37 PM on 09/06/2011
Ed:

Quite believable. What makes it sadder is that the Judge will have no way of adjusting child support for any of the four ex's.

The only way to beat that is for a 18 year old woman to have a child by a 20 year old professional athlete.

If things work out for the athlete, the girlfriend has a very high pension until she is 36 years old. This happens on a regular basis.

Of course she will be held in the highest exteem, even if she is totally unproductive, because she has achieved the coveted status of Victim First Class, by being a single mother.

Marrying a new man, will in no way cut off her pension, sometimes in the neigborhood of $10,000 a month.
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Kelley Smith
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11:19 PM on 09/04/2011
The process of parenthood is not equal.

Biology dictates that the one who cares the baby, gives birth to the baby is one (barring extreme circumstance) who raises the baby.

Most humans on this planet are raised in this manner.

Equality would be fathers carrying the child and mothers birthing the child with both parents raising the child. This would be equality, but this is impossible.

So where is equality in parenthood? What does it look like? How is it implemented? Thanks for your thoughtful responses.
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Jill Irish
O seclum insipiens et inficetum!
01:28 PM on 09/06/2011
Yes, there are a few historical reasons for assigning responsibility to mothers (though a thorough reading of the history shows that is actually a recent development). It is definitely wrong to cut fathers off from their children barring very serious evidence of endangering behavior, as it is to do the same to their mothers - which does happen, a fact not acknowledged by the author.

Don't think "thoughtful responses" were the order of the day for this article.
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Ed Baker
All Hail Big Mother
02:14 PM on 09/06/2011
My family is full of divorce lawyers - and they will tell you - some have had cases where mom is burning an infant of less than 12 months with cigarettes - she still gets custody. There was one case where mom held a knife to a 3 year old girl's throat when the police came to help with the exchange of the child for visitation with the father - she still has custody. Children are meaningless - it's mom's rights that the courts are most concerned with.
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FullFrontal
01:31 PM on 09/06/2011
we all know the equality in that respect isn't possible, so that's a moot fact. the equality comes from the parents spending time raising the child. after all, it took two to make it, it should take two to mold it. accountability is where the equality should come from. child support is a noble idea but it's been too warped towards the benefit of the mother and is no longer for the benefit of the child. too many dead-beat dads and too many gold-digging moms have made the system corrupt
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11:55 AM on 09/04/2011
Idaho has your back fella's . The presumption of 50/50 is hard to over come. My ex is abusive , has a history of domestic violence etc. It has cost me most of what I have to keep the kids form this abusive person. ( your Mom's got demons in her , and she put them in you and is feeding those demons) He has assaulted the 8 year old , emotionally abusive to them to teh point they don't want to talk to him or see him . He cannot and will not preform the basic parenting functions ( a safe environment , food , clothes , etc) Yet he has been able to require me to move several times , pay for his visitation etc. And he is 20,000.00 in arrears on child support.
I do believe in 50/50 . THis poor man you refer to should have his custody and just move on with raising his kids. ANY woman who thwarts a mans role as FAther because she is angry proves a disservice to EVERYONE . I am fighting the reverse prejudice , up holding Fathers rights even when exercising those rights creates emotional and financial harm ,EVERY time. FAmily court is so flawed and "vindictive" ( they were going to have me thrown in jail , several times??? ) that we all suffer , mostly the children.
01:28 PM on 09/04/2011
Guys like your ex give the rest of us a bad name. I hope you can get it sorted out for the safety of the kids. Is there an age in your state where the kids can decide how much contact they want ?
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Targa3141
03:08 PM on 09/04/2011
Sounds like the countless scenarios where the mom is abusive. Except in those cases, the courts don't grant 50-50, they give her full custody.
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07:02 PM on 09/04/2011
Except I Am not abusive. And where do you get any similarity in those "countless scenario's" you refer to ?? How do you know the MOthers are the abusive parent ?
BEcause they point out the abuse of the Father ?? You have to prove this, abuse.
You can't just make up some story and not support it independently . I have to go back and support my claims with testimony to overcome this ruling. I wouldn't put my kids on the stand , they are too little .
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Brash and Harsh
12:19 AM on 09/05/2011
Targa3141

In the bad old days of Jim Crow, Blacks testimony against Whites was heavily, heavily discounted. It kept "order" in society, even if it was not just.

The same thing applies as between Males and Females.

As with most of law it is not written down.
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FreedomHaawk
09:35 AM on 09/04/2011
The Leon Koziol court case,will turn the system upside down! It will expose the corruption that exist throughout the system. I was SO HAPPY when I found out about his law suit. Google his name or visit his site. This will be BIG. Finally Finally a LAWYER!!!! is taking on the system and exposing the dirt.
This is going to be BIG!!!!! Thank you Lord God.
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Brash and Harsh
01:22 AM on 09/05/2011
Freedom:

The problem is that his appeal is about losing his law license. He is claiming that he lost his license for two reasons:

1. Delinquency on child support.

2. As retaliation for speaking his mind about New York Family law. Interesting enough, until about a decade ago, New York Family Law was in the 19th century.

On the first one he loses. The United States Supreme Court will not look into his child support obligations, and whether or not he met them. As far as I can see, he failed to raise a "federal issue" about his arrears.

As to the second issue. He decided he would take on the entire legal establishment of the State of New York. That, I am afraid is an impossible task.

He will be up against lawyers experienced in Supreme Court practice, meaning the elite of the elite.

He will also be facing a Court that is not known for its sympathy to "civil rights" lawyers as he inartfully calls himself.
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FreedomHaawk
01:32 AM on 09/07/2011
Case was thrown out.
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Artemis34
"Women 4 the GOP" is like "Chickens 4 the KFC"
12:04 AM on 09/04/2011
Some adults think it is about them, not about the children, which gives you a hint about how they ended up in court in the first place.
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trthsetsfree2
09:06 PM on 09/11/2011
No, divorce and child support is always about the man, woman and child. Many women try to say it is about the child only when they get primary custody which is 80 percent of the time. But, when the fathers get custody against the mother's wishes, the CS payments are just as delinquent. The reason. THERE IS NO CHILD SUPPORT MONEY. Child Support is an unfunded mandate because there is NO study that says an average income earner can provide for two households for potentially twenty years. Conversely most studies say it takes two average incomes for one household. Therefore with a break up there are two households. Whicjh means 4 average incomes are needed. It is more reasonable for each head of household to provide for their own household.
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Deejay Sweetlife
03:03 PM on 09/03/2011
That's a great observation ATTORNEY! You've figured out what men have known for decades. Since you are obviously in the legal biz, what do YOU plan to do about it?
10:30 AM on 09/04/2011
He wants to become your lawyer and drag proceeding out in court to maximize his profits. His firm will stoke your anger towards your ex with it's 'men only as clients' rhetoric.
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Tazirai
Society is not your friend.
10:44 PM on 09/02/2011
Thanks for the article and the discrimination men face. These are the type of articles that would work well in a MEN'S section.