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Why Liberals Should Learn to Love the Debt Debate

Posted: 08/01/11 10:07 PM ET

The debt limit crisis is the best thing to happen to liberalism in 30 years. It's a manufactured crisis, of course. Republicans conjured it out of thin air, convinced that it will force a radical -- and permanent -- reduction in the size of government.

But they're wrong. Far from starving the beast, the debt limit debate is just as likely to feed it. By rescuing taxes from the political wilderness, it has given liberals a chance to rebuild the fiscal foundation of progressive government.

A Fake Crisis

As any number of levelheaded commentators have pointed out, the debt ceiling is all about the past, not the future. It's a function of spending and taxing decisions made years ago. (And made by many of the same lawmakers decrying those decisions today.)

By extension, raising the debt limit is really a question of collective accountability. In a democracy, you take responsibility for your government's decisions, even if you didn't like them when they were made and you like them even less today. That's the deal -- you don't get to pick and choose.

Of course, it's possible to transform the debt ceiling into something more than simply a procedural hurdle. If you're suitably rash, you can make it about the future as well as the past. Over the past few months, Republicans in the House have shown us how it's done: Start walking the nation toward the edge of the abyss and threaten to keep on going.

A Real Crisis

But if the short-term crisis over a debt ceiling is fake, the long-term crisis over debt itself is very real. As William Gale and Benjamin Harris asserted in a recent paper for the Tax Policy Center, "The United States faces a large medium-term federal budget deficit and an unsustainable long-term fiscal gap. Left unattended, these shortfalls will hobble and eventually cripple the economy."

Those warnings have been around for years, but politicians have shown scant interest in making the hard decisions that would actually stave off disaster. Politics-as-usual doesn't make room for much in the way of sacrifice.

But the artificial crisis of the debt ceiling debate has recast politics, spurring change in the face of intractable inertia. And in that sense, it's been spectacularly effective. By insisting that payment of past debts be tied to future spending, the House GOP has managed to put entitlements on the table. That's no small feat.

But the debt limit crisis has also put taxes on the table. Sure, Republicans are toeing the Tea Party line against any sort of revenue increase. That hasn't changed, and it isn't likely to change soon. Even their spin on the pending compromise seeks to minimize the likelihood of a tax hike.

But for the first time in many years, Democrats are talking seriously -- and even proudly -- about the need for more tax revenue. In fact, the transformation is even more profound, challenging the antitax politics that have dominated national politics since 1980.

Fake Tax Policy

Now let's be clear: The specific tax proposals coming from the White House are less than serious. Years ago, then-candidate Barack Obama staked out his position on soaking the rich, and as president, he's been sticking to it. His speech July 25 on the debt ceiling impasse was typical:

Most Americans, regardless of political party, don't understand how we can ask a senior citizen to pay more for her Medicare before we ask corporate jet owners and oil companies to give up tax breaks that other companies don't get. How can we ask a student to pay more for college before we ask hedge fund managers to stop paying taxes at a lower rate than their secretaries? How can we slash funding for education and clean energy before we ask people like me to give up tax breaks we don't need and didn't ask for?

Jet owners, oil companies, Wall Street, and himself: These are the usual targets Obama offers up for tax increases. If you're serious about solving the nation's long-term fiscal problems, these tax reforms are a sideshow.

Real Tax Policy

But they're a necessary sideshow, at least for anyone committed to serious fiscal reform. Ultimately, solving the long-term fiscal crisis will require both spending cuts and tax increases. Both elements will be broadly regressive, sparing the rich and soaking the poor.

Lower spending will squeeze programs that principally benefit the non-wealthy, including Medicare and Social Security. Meanwhile, tax increases -- at least the kind necessary to make a real dent in the fiscal gap -- will fall on everyone, not just the rich.

The regressive nature of meaningful fiscal reform -- including the likely introduction of a broad-based consumption tax -- militates for compensatory policy. In particular, it underscores the need for higher taxes on the rich. If political leaders are going to ask poor and middle-class Americans for sacrifice, they have an obligation to make sure that rich Americans share the pain.

Taxing corporate jets, of course, won't do that. To right the scales of tax justice, more substantive progressive reform is vital. In particular, lawmakers should eliminate the preferential treatment of capital gains (which would, of course, solve the carried interest issue, too).

There aren't many Democrats willing to make that argument -- at least not yet. But the sideshow reforms currently in play still represent progress for liberals. By insisting that taxes are a necessary part of any balanced approach, they are building the foundation for a broader program of progressive tax reform.

Small Steps

Democrats have a long way to go. They are nowhere near breaking the bad tax news to lower- and middle-income Americans. But they finally have a president who is trying to restore the value proposition that lies at the heart of progressive governance.

"We all want a government that lives within its means," Obama said last week. "But there are still things we need to pay for as a country -- things like new roads and bridges; weather satellites and food inspection; services to veterans and medical research."

And there it is: the hoary "price of civilization" argument that Oliver Wendell Holmes made famous and American voters made reality. With taxes, we do buy civilization. But Democrats have been afraid to say so for decades. Finally, they may be starting to speak up.

 

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The debt limit crisis is the best thing to happen to liberalism in 30 years. It's a manufactured crisis, of course. Republicans conjured it out of thin air, convinced that it will force a radical -- a...
The debt limit crisis is the best thing to happen to liberalism in 30 years. It's a manufactured crisis, of course. Republicans conjured it out of thin air, convinced that it will force a radical -- a...
 
 
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PROGRESSISGOOD
Without Economic Justice, There Is No Justice!
03:59 PM on 08/02/2011
We need tax policy that will take the wealth that is sitting on the sidelines and invest it in our future. Doubling the top tax rate from 36% to 72% would be a good start. Treating all investment income as earned income would also be a good step. Then we need to remove the cap on all payroll taxes so we have that "fair" system that conservatives so desire.

With that additional money we should embark on a re-building of America. New roads, bridges, schools, high speed internet service, advanced transportation technologies, etc. That will put millions to work and increase the revenue and profits of thousands of private businesses. We can call this policy "Trickle Up" economics. Spend money at the bottom and the rich will prosper through more sales and profits. If "Trickle Up" does not work in the long run, at least we will have new schools, roads, bridges and a 21st century communications system to show for it. More than we got from "Trickle Down."
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gevan
big dubya
01:12 PM on 08/02/2011
We need a stepped approach to taxing capital gains. The current rate applied to all numbers from one to infinity is not an equitable solution. A larger bite out of ridiculous incomes would help the nation as a whole and those taking home millions per month could afford it.
10:33 AM on 08/02/2011
"But they finally have a president who is trying to restore the value proposition that lies at the heart of progressive governance." Perhaps you haven't been paying attention Mr. Thorndike, but the GOP has throttled Obama on these very values. He talks a good game, but doesn't have the balls to be playing against the GOP, e.g. extending the bush tax cuts twice (third time a-comin') and failure to have any revenue increases in the debt ceiling deal. What he has done is help forward the GOP agenda.
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Jesse Wright
11:12 AM on 08/02/2011
While I definitely agree with you...Obama's going to have to fight a hard fight to win back progressives and some changes in the tax code may be enough to bring them back over to his side (because really - are we going to vote for Bachmann). However, Obama has put on the table that the rich need to pay their share and I think he just might be able to get some additional revenue put in some time soon (hopeful thinking maybe). He also knows that a majority of American's support additional revenue of some sort (esp if it's taxes on the super rich) and could bring him more independent voters (also scared of Bachmann).
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
10:06 AM on 08/02/2011
There may possibly be ways to turn this to our advantage.

But given Obama's history of compromising away advantages,

I won't hold my breath.
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Joseph J. Thorndike
10:34 AM on 08/02/2011
There's no question that any advantage can be squandered. And Obama has shown a remarkable capacity for doing just that. But I still think there's a real change in the way Democrats generally -- and Obama in particular -- are starting to talk about taxes.
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
11:09 AM on 08/02/2011
I see your point and hope you are correct.
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
11:25 AM on 08/02/2011
The ideas that Government is wasteful and too big have become axiomatic to a

large % of the voting public.

Democrats have been on the defensive since at least the Reagan presidency.

The Republicans have held the high ground from which they preach the gospel

of smaller government.

Any ideas on how we can reframe this debate to make taxes more attractive

to the average voter???

I though Obama was the person who would be able to do so, but he has thus

far been unwilling/unable to control the narrative.
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laurieanichols
je pense donc, je suis
10:06 AM on 08/02/2011
Actually that phrase, paying for civilization, is as close to a good liberal bumper sticker slogan as I've heard so far. Say it with me "Paying for Civilization". Civilization to me means high-speed railway, internet access, food safety, safe drinking water, safe bridges and roads, firefighters, police and good teachers. Why are these things so toxic to the GOP and their cohorts? These services provided by the government in the GOP worldview need to be eliminated so that their private sector friends can swoop in and take over these services at a lucrative profit at our expense and where we have no recourse against artificially inflated prices. Greed is not good it is bad, Teddy Roosevelt spent much of his public life fighting against greed of the corporations, why can't we have politicians like him. Where did they go?
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Joseph J. Thorndike
11:01 AM on 08/02/2011
I'm a big fan of that "price of civilization" phrase. I've been flogging it for years, even using it as the title for my project on New Deal taxation at http://bit.ly/r6Jd1g.
marinade
Not if a pipeline will break, but when.
09:36 AM on 08/02/2011
There are a number of assumptions here. The primary one is that politicians have a national concern for the economy.

There are about three branches of government that have lost their concern for nation-wide interests and that solely function under corporate influences. Their only goal is to secure the fortunes of the most fortunate.

The middle class has become too expensive for these fortunate ones. They feel the middle class no longer carries its weight. The members of the middle class are underemployed, hence, they don't pay enough taxes nor do they consume enough. The underemployment will continue. More economic pressure will be put on the middle class, Their programs will continue to be cut.

The decline will continue.
09:33 AM on 08/02/2011
"We all want a government that lives within its means," Obama said last week. "But there are still things we need to pay for as a country -- things like new roads and bridges; weather satellites and food inspection; services to veterans and medical research."

If the Government were spending the money they ALREADY collect on those things, rather than the things they ARE spending it on (themselves, lobbysists, etc.) there would be no debt crisis.
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noaxe397
09:22 AM on 08/02/2011
Completely wrong. Everytime Democrats allow these crisis (real or imagined) to happen the conservatives use it to further chip away at the programs that created the American way of life that our troops have fought and died for around the world from the Ardenne to the Solomon Islands. Obama drew ANOTHER line in the sand over revenue increases, then the GOP tide came in and Obama went back to the safety of the beach blanket. Boehnor said he got 98% of what he wanted in the deal and he will not appoint anyone to the so called super congress who will raise taxes. Republicans risk a charge of treason why signing a pledge to an individual (Norquist) that is superior to their oath to the constitution. And they stick to it. The idea, as this author says, that Obama expands the cause of progressivism by speaking about tax increases is like saying oil companies expand the cause of alternative energy by buying up battery technology companies. There is a case to be made to raise taxes, but liberals (especially Obama) cannot make it. Only progressives can and Obama's lack of politcal skills has him completely out of step with the polled and reported wishes of the American people, those wishes being overwhelmingly along progressive lines.
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Joseph J. Thorndike
11:05 AM on 08/02/2011
Disappointment in Obama is entirely fair. He repeatedly fails to make the most of his advantage (and his rhetorical skills). But the first step to restoring progressive government (and progressive taxation in particular) is to stop being so damn apologetic about it. I think Democrats and starting to do that.

I quoted Obama because his speech included an example of the pro-tax rhetoric that I think is necessary. I don't mean to suggest that he is the be all and end all of progressive revival. Democrats more broadly will have to pursue this project. And I think they are starting to get the message.
08:05 AM on 08/02/2011
Telling liberals that they should be happy about a President that handed the GOP a debt deal compromise to the right of anything Bush would have dared as for is idiotc.
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The Lone Stranger
Yes, I am a lousy typist. OK!
07:45 AM on 08/02/2011
While I found yur argumentintriguing, I disagree with you on one crucial point, and this concerns the cpacity of Obama to do more than exploit the public demand for change and to actually deliver needed reforms.

The reason Obama is now the President is because he took on the manerisms of an effective Presdient prior to 2008. People bought into his act without realizing that this was merely a charade, a con, from a man who lacked the experience and skills needed to be our nations top Chief executive.

The best comparsion to Obama that we have is Warren Harding, another man elected President without anything going for him beyond superfical appearances and he proved to be a disaster too.

While a competent Presdient could exploit the opportunities of the present moment as you suggest, Obama will be doing no such thing because he is not even remotely competent. Instead he will befocusing the bulk of his efforts now on getting reelected.
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JimR
07:12 AM on 08/02/2011
Thank you for a rational and sane take on this situation.
02:14 AM on 08/02/2011
This whole debate is an abstraction to many people. Frankly, over the years, I have also felt that talk of the national debt, ongoing deficits, etc. were an abstraction. But having gotten to the point of annual deficits of well over a trillion, and accumulated debt of over $14 trillion and growing, really has to focus attention on how exactly we will ever get a handle on our debt. This would be a far different discussion if the total debt were still $3 trillion as it was at the end of the Reagan administration. We are now dealing with eye popping numbers.
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wayoutleft
my nano-bio coded in a period: .
02:02 AM on 08/02/2011
people will never support penalizing use of jet aircraft because they ae shiny and go fast. Lots of scholarly types impute rationality to the American people despite the totality of contrary evidence. They have no idea whom they're dealing with.
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DJleary
01:19 AM on 08/02/2011
"But they finally have a president who is trying to restore the value proposition that lies at the heart of progressive governance."

You must be kidding. What we have is a feckless poll who has pulled off the biggest bait and switch in American history.
Change You Can Believe In. What a sick joke!
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psnyder325
Yep, I'm a Socialist. Deal.
04:01 AM on 08/02/2011
The "Change you can believe in" is the change from Obama the candidate to Obama the President....and it is a very sick change.
11:23 AM on 08/02/2011
My thots exactly! Did we watch the same debate Joseph??? Get a clue.
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01:11 AM on 08/02/2011
We have been told by the right-wing that Reagan's tax cuts turned our economy in a positive direction in the 1980s--despite the apt description of Reaganomics as voodoo by G.H.W. Bush and the later discrediting of the logic by the creator of the voodoo, David Stockman.

Geo W Bush got his tax cuts because of the mystique of Reagan, but those tax cuts did not work, thus giving the lie to the whole idea. Why then do Americans elect Tea Party members who campaign on a platform of government obstruction through tax cuts?

We need jobs, not tax cuts. So long as Americans vote for tax cuts, even while the tax level is so low, it is impossible to balance our federal budget. If we had money to pay for restoring our transportation systems, our schools, social services, and energy and global warming, there would be plenty of jobs. Now is the time to grow, not to cut. The future beckons welcomingly if we can put the boogieman of reaction behind us.
12:29 PM on 08/02/2011
Fanned for having some sense of history and perspective!