Oregon isn't America. Kentucky is America.
As we all know, the dominant explanation coming out of Oregon and Kentucky's differing Democratic primary results will go like this: Oregonians are wealthier, better-educated and racially homogeneous, and therefore free of the kind of racial politics we have seen in other states recently. Hence their support for Obama. Kentuckians, by contrast, are poorer, less well-educated and are in a state with legacies of racial difference. Hence their support for Clinton. But before this story congeals into the inevitable conclusion that white working class folks simply won't support Obama, It is worth remembering two things. First, as Sam Stein pointed out in a post two days ago, Oregon is indeed a working class state. Second, it is a mistake to imagine that Oregon is somehow free of the racial history that formed the nation more generally. Oregon's lack of diversity is not an accident -- it is itself a legacy of white supremacy. The territorial constitution of the 1850s barred the settlement of both slaves and free blacks, and patterns of racial exclusion continued at least through the mid 20th century. Even in liberal Eugene, the entire African American community dwelt in a shanty town at the edge of the city up into the 1940s, as housing covenants and racist renting practices kept black families out of the city proper. People of color routinely experience racism in Oregon today, be it personal anti-black sleights at the grocery store or on the street, or English-only political campaigns, as is the case in many states. But true as that fact is, the Oregon primary shows that even where racism is a personal or social phenomenon, it is not necessarily the case that race always triumphs politically. Indeed, Oregon voters are clearly not driven by racial animus. Perhaps that is more true than we might think elsewhere as well.
If we trace back the evolution of the so-called "lunch-pail" Democrat (as if working people of color don't also eat lunch) we come first to the Reagan Democrat, a species first discovered outside Detroit by pollster Stanley Greenberg in 1984. Go further still and you find Nixon's Silent Majority -- the first modern attempt to peel working class voters away from the Democratic party on the basis of race. But Nixon strategists knew that there was no Silent Majority out there to be found; it was a political concept in search of a constituency -- something Nixon strategists such as Kevin Phillips were quite clear about at the time. The result has kept us in the long shadow of Nixon and Reagan.
Clinton, with her southern, conservative Democratic Leadership Council background knows this strategy well. By talking about "hardworking Americans, white Americans" she claimed simply to be saying what pollsters were already showing. But by invoking a relationship between hard work and race, she helps conjure up resentments that may be mobilized politically under the right conditions. Racial political identifications start with appeals first, and become settled assumptions afterwards. Journalists and scholars should be wary of falling into the trap of confusing political strategy for demographic realities when analyzing this election. As Oregon shows, white working class people -- just like anyone else -- have the capacity to vote their concerns, interests and beliefs in terms other than race. Indeed, if Obama seriously addresses the problems of economically marginalized people, he may help find a way out of the racial machinations of the modern right.
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Oregon isn't America. Kentucky is America.
geography is not your strong point.
I think you mean Amurka
Oregon, in the past anyway, has always been a tolerant, quite liberal entity. I remember when I lived across the Columbia River that Oregon could elect a very liberal guy for the Senate, Wayne Morse, which no state in this country would have ever put up. And it is a state, much like Washington in many ways, that doesn't see many blacks, especially blacks running for office. Being the tolerant and sophisticated kind of population that it is they see nothing wrong about blacks seeking office or anything else. Obama certainly had that going for him. But Hillary didn't do all that badly either. It pays to realize that history of the culture makes some difference in the way people proceed.
I remember back in the 70's, the most liberal among us were fleeing to Oregon.
A lot of my hippy friends that still live there, still speak the 'anti corporation' talk.
I think a lot of the demgraphics in Oregon are composed of the naive types that would vote for a dreamer, as opposed to the rational voter who can see that the real issues at hand are:
The globe is past Huberts curve in oil amount they have,
the U.S. can at it's highest, only be able to come up with 20% of our energy needs in oil,
and all the other debt problems, consumer and national; credit card sinfully high interest rates, and on and on.
These are the most serious times in the history of our country.
Therefore this is no time for the naive little college students, and other naive dreamer voters that focus on 'change' as being the most important of our problems----we have REAL problems.
We NEED someone who knows how, and is capable of, solving these serious problems at hand.
And that capable, experienced, know-how person, is Hillary.
I think that sexism is the other covert issue against her.
Why do you feel that Hillary knows how or is capable of solving anything based on her Senate record? Why do you feel she is more experienced when Obama has been in elective office longer? Why do you call Obama supporters "naive" for voting for the candidate *they* believe knows how and is capable of solving these problems? Because their choice is different from yours? THAT is the height of naivety.
Also, just as a side note, how do you fix something without CHANGING anything??? The reason people support Obama's message of change is because we know change is necessary to progress, to evolve, to fix the problems that plague us. Don't insult us because we believe he is better capable to bring the change about.
You've got it! Think when the Rezko investigation is played out you'll see that Obama is not what anyone, Oregon voters or anyone else, will want to see as our president.
Good grief, what are you talking about?
This article is right on the money. Mainstream media is so blinded they refused to acknowledge or point out the obvious. That there are working class white voters in states that Obama won. They harp that Obama can't win those voters. What about Clinton not being able to get more than 10% of the black vote?
Let me guess, she doesn't need the black vote? What a joke the mainstream media has become!
The athiests elected Obama in Oregon. Birds of a feather flock together.
So, since thousands of admitted racists voted for Hillary in West Virginia and Kentucky, that would make her a.....
athiest? athiest?!, did you say athiest? my gawd, make up yer friggin' mind, is Obama an America-hatin' Muslim or a 'white-hatin' Black Christian or is he an athiest?
You need to go back to the hole you crawled out of...
A side note about the Oregon elections:
Democratic turnout: 69.68%
Overall turnout: 54.21%
I don't know the exact turnout for other states, but super Tuesday turnout was 29%, and that was called "high".
There's a lot to be said for mail-in ballots.
what will really depress you is looking at the census total for voting age adults instead of the percentage of registered voters who actually voted....
What I have been wondering all day is, (having filled out and sent my Oregon ballot in), how did the MSM get the exit polls statistics they have been reporting all day. Did they make it up to fuel their stories about racism v. non racist.
CNN said it was phone polling.
yes, but you lost the accent, it's phone', pronounced 'phony'....
LMAO
Great point!!
Sen. McCain's buddies in the main stream media and the republican party are telling Americans what they want America to believe as truth. Kinda like the spin they keep pimping about Sen. McCain being a straight talking maverick, with 28 years of experience in Washington that affords Sen. McCain a stronger grasp on the economy, national security and foreign affairs than Sen. Obama.
Unfortunately, the addlepated Sen. McCain has failed to exhibit the magnificence of his purported experience.
I live in Los Angeles. But my people come from Oregon. My sister and brother-in-law live there. My grandfather lived in Corvallis and founded the Carpenters' Union there. I have other memories of Oregon,. too. Once when I was a toddler, my family entered a restaurant in the Eastern side of the state (Hood River, perhaps, I'm not sure). A sign in the restaurant said ,'We serve white people only."
My father went ballistic and called the people in the restaurant a disgrace to America and the entire family walked out. (This was long before Martin Luther King - and I think the sign was directed to either native Americans or Japanese Americans since an internment camp may be been located nearby.)
That past aside, I am proud of the way Oregonians voted yesterday, even though I'm sort of a Oregon ex-patriate. Albeit I live in Los Angeles, I still consider myself working class. I belong to a union (UTLA) and view labor unions as the most important weapon in our arsenal - in terms of bringing about change in the world. (Labor unions and working class people - not Ronald Reagan - destroyed the Evil Empire. Let's get that history correct.) So kudos to Oregon. I wish California had given Obama the same vote of confidence although had we held our primary later this year, the results might have been different
Reagan didn't have time to destroy the 'Evil Empire', he was too busy destroying the United States and the Constitution...
Nice touch, that bit about the evil empire.
Actually, I've been thinking about how the Soviet Unon went "belly-up" behind military spending.
A lesson there for our own not-so-evil empire......................................................................tm
Wake up people! There is no such thing as a White working class or Black working class or for that matter a Klingon working class American. If you work..you work simple as that. You're going to, and will continue, to be taken advantaged by the corporations that you give your services, regardless of your color,religous afflilations or politics.
This so-called dynamic of division is nothing but a reflection of the social conditions that make it more comfortable for us to deal with that reality (misery loves company). Moreover, this divide in thinking has help maintain the the statis quo for so long that anyone who attemps to lead people beyond that thinking is attacked as being radical or un-American, even elitist. Racisim is a mental illness (belief that one is superior or inferiour because of the color of their skin). Sounds sick to me but, a good means to exploit differences to remain in control of peoples lives.
Get a grip, I think the younger people have begun to understand what's holding America back from the ever changing realities of the future. It's evolution not another mutation.
I was born and raised in Eugene, Oregon and the one thing that escapes this coverage is how starkly divided Oregon really is. For example Eugene is a very liberal college town that considers itself very progressive (although sometimes too many issues stall any move forward). Take a trip 2 hours in any direction, barring Portland and suburbs, and you will find the "working uneducated white class" full of all their prejudice's and spite. Typically good people but very much much stuck in their beliefs.
I frequently hear some remarkably offensive racial comments from my own friends and family. They are not intentionally trying to be demeaning, only communicating in the way they understand race.
I recently was having a discussion with an older friend and he said:
"I don't have a problem with 'the Blacks', But I worry that if Obama gets in he will put them in all the key positions"
Of course I find this to be paranoid and ridiculous, but my point is people know what they know and it takes the rest of us to point out that we are not all that different regardless of the amount of Melanin in your skin pigment.
Let's try and focus on uniting and squash the conversations that only divide.
It's a joke to listen a professor from one of the most liberal colleges talk about working class. I'm from Oregon, and I can attest to the fact that liberals and the unions run Oregon. These Unions are not working class. They're Government employees. The Govenor can't do anything without the unions' approval. The whole Willamette Corridor is a liberal bastion whose closest encounter with a working class person is if they happen to bump into their garbage hauler before going to work. And the only ones making race an issue are Obama supporters. If you don't agree with them, then you are a racist.
ResidentChimp,
Stop attesting for Oregonians!
Where do you live in Oregon. I grew up in Corvallis and currently live in Portland. You are ill informed and simplistic in your perspective of Oregonians. Yes, I am liberal, but I am also proudly part of the hard working middle class. I believe in the promise of the American Dream: equality, opportunity, education, and happiness for everyone, not just white bigots.
Oregon went for Obama because people like me educated ourselves on his policies, statesmanship, and potential. As a truly patriotic state, we have outstanding voter participation. We are proud to lead by example.
Really? Liberals and unions run Oregon? Maybe that's why it seems to me, sitting here in South Carolina, that Oregon seems like such a nice place to live!
"Chimp" may be "from" Oregon (Eastside...I'd guess) but I'm an Oregonian and have lived all over the Willamette valley over the course of three decades. Don't know where your info comes from but I can tell you everyone out here is working their ass off.
I'm in the TINY MINORITY of building tradesmen that IS union, so while I might WISH your statement about unions running Oregon were true................ it's not, not even close....................tm
That should be "county" not "country".
I think the media portrayal of Oregon was skewed because they insisted on comparing us with Kentucky as if there were only two extremes in the country. I don't consider Oregon to be affluent just because Kentucky is much less affluent than us. There is much more affluence in other big cities like Chicago, San Francisco, LA, NY and so on than in Portland. And although we may be more educated than Kentucky, our biggest city Portland and our major university town Eugene are nowhere near an academic powerhouse as, for instance, Boston. I would guess that we lie somewhere in the middle of the ranking of states when it comes to affluence and education.
BTW, Tommy, I live in Deschutes Co., and you know we are not populous, but we have had 3,000 layoffs in the country recently. That's a lot of families.
I'm from Oregon, too, and I can attest to the fact that "liberals and the unions" do NOT run Oregon. The Willamette Corridor is "a liberal bastion"? Have you ever BEEN to Albany? Springfield? Hillsboro? Troutdale? Gresham? Clackamas, home of Tonya Harding? Do you think Lane County's timber and mill workers are effete? Or Linn County's farm owners and ag workers?
Obama won Jackson County in far Southern Oregon by something like 20%. That's where Christy Lee Cook, the country-singing blond on American Idol, hails from. It's conservative. Clinton campaigned there, he didn't, and he still whupped her.
Oregon's average income is BELOW the national average. It's only 1.4% black. Several of its largest counties went Republican in the last several elections. It has one Republican and one Democratic Senator. The only difference between Oregon and Kentucky is that it doesn't have as many racists, and so evaluated the candidates on the merits -- and therefore chose Obama. Like Utah, Colorado, and Alaska did -- white states all. He can win with white working class voters. He can't win with bigots.
Way to call him on it. Our party has a lot of diversity in it. Why is it so surprising that two states in totally different areas of the country would vote differently. LOL
I don't really care why they voted the way they did. I believe how one votes is a private and personal thing. The way the pundits, bloggers and Obama supporters are attempting to paint large blocks of voters as racist or otherwise is pretty disturbing.
That said, I went and did some of my own math on this historic primary. Clintons average margin of victory in the 20 primaries she's won is 149788.2 people more than Barrack (the .2 comes from one of those applachian voters as Obama supporters don't really count them as a whole). Obama's win margin by comparison is a paltry 94,464 in the 30 primaries he's won.
She's now won more votes and has a powerful argument that she'll be the nominee.
Where in Oregon did you live? I hardly consider Albany, Corvallis, Millersburg, Cottage Grove, Springfield or most of the other I-5 corridor small towns a "Liberal Bastion". Most of the
Oregonians I know are working class.
The amazement for me and many of my african american family, friends and associates is this massive admission of racist bigotry! No matter the verbage ... the bottom line and in the margins is that "racism and bigotry" is still very much alive and well in america! Heretofore, the lecture began with "what racism!" That's all in your (african americans) mind, it's a crutch, pull yourselves up by your bootstraps and work hard stuff. Whatever happened to the unmitigated sense of DENIAL demonstrated by white america!? Whatever happened to reverse-discrimination and it's pretense of unfair to whites thing! The arguments even in notable colleges whether or not "race" should be equated in college admissions!
Sen. Obama has sure enough turned the light on this evil, a denied discussion that was never really seriously had because all too many white americans rested, dormantly comfortable in it's bigotry and racism with impunity!
Yes. It has indeed become quite frank, hasn't it? Clearly, there are large numbers of voters who vote for Hillary for reasons other than race, but it's amazing how the Clinton campaign's questioning whether white working class voters will vote for Obama has given permission to the small number of bigots among them to openly declare that they won't vote for a black.
One of the ironies here is the number of people claiming that the Obama campaign has played the race card and blamed racism for his supposed failure to attract white voters. I haven't heard even a hint of that coming from the Obama campaign. Ed Rendell is a Clinton supporter. When he pointed out that some whites will never vote for a black, it wasn't the Obama campaign calling Clinton supporters racist, it was the Clinton campaign itself calling their own supporters racist.
Neither have I ever heard of the Obama campaign claim that male voters will never vote for Hillary, yet they are constantly accused of misogyny etc.
"They trusted Bush more the Kerry"
hoo boy, you're making a good case. We should vote for Kerry next time.
Bush = lowest approval in HISTORY. America obviously made the wrong choice.
Thank you.
And here we are presented with another choice. Will flashy campaigning win the day again?
No, intelligent, 50-state, grassroots campaigning will. And we've all seen who's better at THAT.
May 21, 2008
Key Clinton Constituencies Moving Toward Obama
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107407/Obama-Surge-Fairly-BroadBased.aspx
Obama Faces Uphill Climb vs. McCain Among White Voters
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107416/Obama-Faces-Uphill-Climb-vs-McCain-Among-White-Voters.aspx
You just gotta love FACTS!!!!
Posted May 21, 2008 | 12:37 AM (EST)