What events, actions, and findings had the most positive or negative impact on the likelihood that the nation and the world will act in time to avoid catastrophic warming?
Since the #1 story is way too obvious to generate any drama, I will start there and then go back and count down from 10 to 2.
1. Team Without Rivals. A year ago, the head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), Rajendra Pachauri, desperately warned, "If there's no action before 2012, that's too late. What we do in the next two to three years will determine our future. This is the defining moment." That means the next president and his cabinet, more than any other group, will determine my future and your future and our children's future, and perhaps the future of the next 50 generations to walk the earth. Fortunately, the American people rejected the old greenwasher and new denier nominated by the Drill, baby, Drill crowd -- and now we will be led by the greenest, most scientifically informed, radical pragmatists in the history of the Republic:
10. Gas Pains. As NOAA reported, levels of methane rose sharply in 2007 for the first time since 1998. Methane is a far more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, especially over the near term. And the tundra has as much carbon locked away in it as the atmosphere contains today. Scientific analysis suggests the rise in 2007 methane levels came from Arctic wetlands. The tundra melting is probably the most worrisome of all the climate-carbon-cycle amplifying feedbacks -- and it could easily take us to the unmitigated catastrophe of 1000 ppm. Though you should also worry that the methane might be coming the underwater permafrost, which is also thawing and releasing methane. Or from the drying of the Northern peatlands (bogs, moors, and mires). If methane rises again in 2008 -- and NASA reported another brutally hot year for the Siberian tundra -- then that will probably be among the top three global warming stories of 2008.
9. The Thrilla in Vanilla. OK, it wasn't Ali-Frazier, but Henry Waxman's smackdown of John Dingell for chairmanship of the House Energy and Commerce Committee was high drama with high consequences. Finally, we have a champion of serious action and strong regulation, someone who gets the dire nature of global warming, in charge of the crucial committee for climate and energy.
8. Ice, Ice maybe not. Everywhere scientists look, ice is disappearing:
5. 350 is the new 450. Led by the nation's top climate scientist, James Hansen, a number of leading scientists argued that the "old" target scientists have been arguing for -- stabilizing atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide at 450 ppm -- isn't enough: Stabilize at 350 ppm or risk ice-free planet, warn NASA, Yale, Sheffield, Versailles, Boston et al. In December, America's leading spokesman for climate action, Al Gore, embraced the 350 ppm target.
4. Clean tech shines. While the rest of the financial system melts down, cleantech venture investment hit a record $2.6B in the third quarter. Is that a lot of money? Well, of that $2.6B, some $1.7B went to U.S. companies, which is about three times the comparable annual R&D budget in the Energy Department office I once ran, the Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE) program, which did -- and still does -- the bulk of the federal government clean tech funding. And VCs like Kleiner Perkins ramped up funding while the Bush administration gutted some of the most important research and deployment EERE had.
Some key clean technologies really began to shine in 2008, including perhaps the most important low-carbon energy source, solar thermal baseload, and the most important alternative fuel vehicle, electric cars and plug in hybrids. It should now be clear that all the technology we need to stabilize at 450 ppm (or lower) is here or will be in a few years (see "McKinsey 2008 Research in Review: Stabilizing at 450 ppm has a net cost near zero").
3. Desperate Scientists, Season II. The world's top climate scientists are once again begging for action, with many more going public to warn just how dire a fate we face on our current path:
The entire conservative movement, including pundits, think tanks, and politicians, now appears willing to stake the future of humanity on their willful ignorance.
If the Obama climate dream team is going to lead the nation and the world into a World War II scale effort to save humanity from self-destruction, they will be waging a difficult two-front war -- against the ever-accelerating reality of climate change itself and against the immovable unreality of "anti-science conservatives."
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Nothing gets the global warming donkeys braying like a little "cold" hard fact...pun intended. The fact that sea ice has dramatically increased in the last two years is undisputable by even the most ardent clingers of the man made global warming myth. Its kind of fun to watch. Sea ice has now reached the same level as 1979, the same year Time magazine posted the story about the new coming ice age. At the time the same people who are clinging to the myth today, had the same answer to stopping it...shut down capitalism ...surpris e surprise!. ..excuse me, I need to go put another log on the fire.
Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979
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ragecage,That arguement rests on some pretty thin ice.
I read it... the article states that it's the anomoly that's the same and then confuses it with the actual volume of Sea Ice...
dc.org/sot c/sea_ice. html
actually if you look at the graph you will see a negative trend in the anomoly...
check this out http://nsi
by the way, that is posted by a blogger with a history of cherry picking "evidence" to prove his point, and it is directed at a loyal fan base of denialists.
for instance, he throws in a comment about polar bear populations increasing, but fails to mention that the increase follows an international ban on polar bear hunting, which was brought on by excessive hunting... also, what is the quality of the data... what kind of records, how thorough was the data collection, etc...?
Crickets.
Michale, I took some time to check out your "record cold" link, I read the "global warming skeptics take heart in the record cold " article. Did you happen to read that one? The last couple of paragraphs are very interesting. Includes some inconvenient facts that I guess you just conveniently forgot, huh. Got any more links I can check out ? This is fun.
Sure, once you can point to your cite where scientists back in 2002 or 2003 accurately predicted the record cold temps of 2008...
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By the bi, here is a fun HuffPo commentary to read:
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Michale...
I never claimed that the scientists predicted these record cold temps, and you know it. As for your link, I think Huffpo posted Amblers article to showcase how silly you the denier arguement is. Worked to.
And today there is a story that high levels of CO2 will cause massive cooling and the next ice age.
Also, hottest decade was the 1930's, not the current one, but the global warming believers seem to miss the correction that they put out 6 months ago.
Bottom line is that the " climate experts don't have clue what is going on " which becomes quite obvious when you look at all of the facts, and read those scientists that don't fall in line with global warming fanatics.
Which scientists Photofarm?
Seven of the eight warmest years on record have occurred since 2001.
None of those were in the 1930s.
Please stop posting lies.
And you missed that the 1930's were the hottest in the US only. Not the world as a whole. And which scientists are you talking about again?
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the climate scientists predicted this cooling.
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They did?? Prove it..
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And what record cold are you refering to Michale?
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Oh gee whiz.. I dunno..
Maybe THIS record cold...
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Michale...
Nice link Michale. Just more people who can't tell the difference between weather and climate. Go to www.realcl imate.com, or www.scepti calscience .com, I think that's right, 2 web sites that actually talk about the science of global warming, if you want proof. I really don't think you will, deniers like you are allergic to actual facts and evidence.
Don't forget:
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then i guess since i am in ohio i will have some beach front property?
i'm ok with that
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I am waiting for a DAY AFTER TOMORROW scenario so we can finally get some snow here in Florida!!! :D
Michale...
cool
zola77 and bernique can't explain why co2 doesn't control the temperature of a cold clear night lol
There is no reason why they need to. The amount of CO2 in the air now holds in heat, but only a fraction of it. If CO2 rose to 30% of the atmosphere, then it would hold in virtually ALL the heat, and the temperature on Earth would be around 900 degrees. Yes, then it would be the same temp at night!
All of that is irrelevant. Even though only a fraction of the heat is retained, the fact remains that more CO2 holds in proportionally more heat. Most people don't need to wait until the surface temperature hits 900 to be convinced of a basic science fact.
And yet, ice core samples PROVE that the rise in temps PRECEDE the rise in CO2..
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So, how can a rise in CO2 cause a rise in temps when it's the rise in temps that come first??
I understand, thru temporal mechanics that sometimes effect precedes cause.. But I don't think we're quite there yet...
Michale...
pretty powerful stuff ya got there bbh, ever think of insulating your house with it? should work if what you say is true! lol! say bbh, co2's effect is logarithmic, meaning it's increase results in diminishing returns, so it has no real caloric advantage now at .038% of the atmosphere, and more does not produce linear returns. hmm.. sounds like zilch to me there bud.
Arnie jokes, "zola77 and bernique can't explain why co2 doesn't control the temperature of a cold clear night lol"
That is a good one, Arnie!
Fumes,cold clear nights? As opposed to what? Your point has nothing to do with MMGW. It gets cold at night, has since I was a kid, BFD!
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Fortunately for all of us, PE Obama's Cabinet and Agency selections reflect a direct repudiation of your peculiar dismissal of scientific data.
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Time will tell.. Remember Obama's stance on FISA?? His principled condemnation of Hamas?? I doubt that President Obama will be the hysterical Left stooge you think he is going to be.
I think, once we see a couple more years of record cold temps, President Obama will know the true facts from the true science...
So tell me, how well did those models predict 2008, eh?? :D
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You bring to the table nothing but a bigoted rejection of Al Gore
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How can anyone who is logical and rational NOT reject Al Gore?? His "do as I say not as I do" attitude is so pervasive that the only way ANYONE can accept his way of looking at things is by conceding Lenin's remark about "Useful Idiots"...
Michale...
I was hoping, for all of our sakes, that Santa would bring you a new set of talking points. But alas, it wasn't to be. A huge loss for us all.
BTW ... what exactly does FISA and Hamas have to do with this discussion ?? As an indicator of just how Obama will formulate a policy with regard to world climate change by inserting a TOTALLY UNRELATED matter is an incredible stretch. You are truly marginalizing yourself.
I don't have a problem with either the size of Al Gore's house or his travel schedule, if that's what you mean by the " do as I say not as I do " blather. It's irrelevant, and frankly, another form of pen*s envy.
Sticks, all Michale has left is old, stale talking points. And he repeats them, word for word.
today i needed to take the chill off in my house..... ....but i wanted to do my part for my carbon footprint so i turned off my oil furnace and started my fireplace. ..........
.....my footprints all should be bigger
as i have big feet......
If you are burning wood, then you are at the least carbon neutral, that's what you denial d0lts can't seem to understand. The planet spent millions of years sequestering carbon, and we are letting it all back out. Yes, lets go back to an ancient sauna atmosphere, we will do great under that. You are too stupid to even realize that your own little sarcastic taunt was an improvement over burning fossil fuels.
Wood burning is NOT, nor cannot be, considered "carbon-neutral"
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And wood smoke is hazardous to health. Read more here:
Carbon Neutral vs. Carbon Offset
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A carbon-based fuel cannot be "carbon-neutral"
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Just so I can make my HCCC library complete, can anyone point me to the predictions for 2008 that were made by the IPCC or whoever??
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Michale...
I don't recall seeing any comments on weather at
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After all, they aren't a weather prognosticator, they are concerned with climate change.
You did, after all, ask about yearly weather predictions, not climate.
My #1 story for 2008 on global warming is the desperation we are starting to see from those that have joined the GW religion.
My quote of the year was from Ted Turner saying if we don't do somthing now, 20 years down the road we will all be CANABALS . . . yeah . . . ok . . . whatever.
This is the best story of 2008...
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Michale...
Maybe there is a Global Warming expert that can help me out with a question I have had:
Let's say we start living in huts and never use gas/electricity ever again starting today, what changes with the climate that would be any different and how do you know?
It appears that the Human Caused Global Warming(Yet The Planet Is Cooling) didn't come close to predicting the record cold that marked 2008...
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Considering the models can't predict anything a couple of years out, how on earth can ANYONE put stock in their 10-20-30 year predictions??
Michale...
Record cold? 2008 was hotter than 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, or 1999.
Ok, It was cooler than 2007. Is that the record you are referring to? One cool year does not set a new trend. Look at the 5 year moving average of yearly global temperatures. The trend is clearly and solidly up. 2008 was not cool enough to break the trend, or even make a noticeable change in the upward slope.
If 2009 is cooler than 2008, and 2010 is cooler that 2009, then you may have something to talk about, but that hasn't happened yet, and probably won't happen.
the climate scientists predicted this cooling. And what record cold are you refering to Michale?
nice one
My answer to the deniers is, "What if we do little or nothing to amend our damage to the environment, and it turns out we are WRONG?"
What if we take steps to cool the planet and then the natural climate cycle occurs and the normal cooling period is made 20 times worse by humankind fracking around with something they barely know anything about??
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Michale...
To paraphrase Zbig: "Your logic is amazingly superficia l." If our current impact on the environment is zero, then our attempts to mitigate that "impact" will amount to ZERO. Hence, there's is zero chance that we can make the normal cooling period "20 times worse by humankind fracking around with something they barely know anything about."
BTW, what institution granted you a PhD in climatology, Liberty University?
What if we do nothing to stop an astroid from destroying earth and it turns out one is coming at us?
Therefore we should put all our money into an astroid defence system with your logic.
Whether you believe in global warming or not, it is a good idea to reduce pollution and to minimize our impact on our little world. This can be done with current levels of technology such as Nuclear, solar, wind, hydro, geothermal, efficient diesel and natural gas for powering transportation.
Environmentalists seem to have difficult time in admitting that we will need such things as Nuclear or hydropower. They are unrealistic when they are not willing to consider the expansion of nuclear and the vast majority of people understand this. If they do not present realistic plans for replacing coal then the public will not buy into their fancifull plans.
That's been my point as well.
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If people want to frame the discussion in the vein of cleaner air and water, then I am there..
If people want to frame the discussion in the vein of ridding our dependency on foreign oil, then I stand shoulder to shoulder..
But if people want to frame the discussion with the hysterical fear-mongering of the "end of the world" or say that we must listen to the con-men tag team of Al Gore and Richard Branson, then sorry.. But that's where I go my own way...
Michale...
The problems with nuclear power are, of course, many and varied. First is NIMBY. I certainly don't want a nuke plant in my backyard, and I can't blame others who feel the same way. Secondly, is the cost of a nuclear power plant, typically in the 10's of billions of dollars when TOCs (total ownership costs) are considered. Also, raising a large chunk of capital in the current economic climate to actually build the plant siphons $ aways from less polluting projects such as wind farms. Third is time: the time required to perform environmental studies, the time required to get federal, state and local approvals including approval from the federal nuclear regulating authorities. Fourth is quantity. I was reading an interesting article last night on this very subject. The current percentage of this county's electrical power provided by nuclear energy is about 20%. To keep that level - ~20% - constant, we need to build a 1MW nuke power plant every month! Nuclear is just not the panacea it seems.
Hydro-electric power is viable in specific but limited circumstances. It's not viable when a river and the life it carries has to be diverted or channeled. An example of this is the dramatic decrease of several salmon species cause by the building of dams on the rivers in Washington state.
"This can be done with current levels of technology such as Nuclear, solar, wind, hydro, geothermal, efficient diesel and natural gas for powering transportation"
I agree with most of your post but you want things that these same environmentalists seek to stop at every turn.
We can't even build a bridge without a lawsuit from the Sierra Club environmentalists in Minnesota . . . what do you think would be the answer to hydro?
Wind is not efficient and expensive but yet the environmentalists don't want to build the transmission lines that are needed.
We all know about their stance against nuclear.
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