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Josh Schrei

Posted: February 27, 2010 10:14 AM

What Good It Does: A Response to A. Tom Grunfeld on the Obama - Dalai Lama Meeting

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Like an aging quasi-rock star who can't help repeatedly playing that one hit that made him famous all those years ago, A. Tom Grunfeld always manages to revert to his perceived trump card on the issue of Tibet -- the fact that he knows a deep dark secret about Tibetan society that if revealed to the public at large would forever change their view of the Himalayan nation. He knows -- and has gone to absurd and academically questionable lengths to prove -- that pre-invasion Tibet was not a perfect society (though he has never revealed to what standard he is comparing it). And he has inside information that -- in the height of the cold war -- Tibetan resistance fighters were for a short time funded by -- gasp -- the CIA.

Unfortunately for Grunfeld, there is nothing at all revelatory about either of those revelations. In the decades that have past since Grunfeld first laid the academic rotten egg known as "The Making of Modern Tibet," the public perception of Tibet has grown, evolved and become far more nuanced than it was thirty years ago. At least three widely circulated books have been written on CIA involvement in the Tibetan resistance. Most of the new generation of American Tibet supporters are fully aware of this brief relationship. They neither see Tibet as some kind of Shangri La nor as a backward feudal theocracy, but as the complex, multi-faceted society that it is.

In the face of such growing understanding, I wonder what if any serious insight someone like Grunfeld -- who has always existed as an outside critic on the fringes of real academic discourse on Tibet -- has to offer on the subject. Certainly his interaction with actual Tibetans has been limited, either due to a lack of interest on his part in actually speaking with his subject matter, or simply because most Tibetans will have nothing to do with him. For some reason, after Grunfeld wrote that Tibetan women eat their own placentas and lick their newborn babies clean like beasts, Tibetans didn't receive him so warmly.

In his latest interview on Huffington Post, the SUNY quasi-demic says nothing overtly offensive to Tibetan culture, but he does exhibit his usual lack of insight into the actual on the ground reality in Tibet, and, of course, falls into his standard tone in which all things Tibetan are treated with barely disguised colonial disdain.

After clumsily dropping the Tibet/CIA reference a few times, Grunfeld wonders aloud about the importance of the Dalai Lama - Obama meeting.

"The real question," Grunfeld asks, "is what good does it do?"

I operate under the possibly erroneous assumption that most academics are at least reasonably smart men. And while Grunfeld is correct in his estimate that Presidential audiences are a somewhat strange ritual akin to a Kabuki play, the strength of message sent by that simple act of theater cannot be underestimated.

Several weeks ago, in a move akin to the free speech witch hunts that foreshadowed some of the worst actions by the worst governments during the worst part of the 20th century, the Chinese government announced that they were removing the University of Calgary from their list of accredited universities. The offense? Hosting the Dalai Lama as a guest speaker. Surely an academic like Grunfeld can appreciate the utter gravity of this type of behavior. When governments not only control information but begin dictating the agendas of educational institutions it is a dark day for free speech, and for the very tenets that support and allow Grunfeld his livelihood as an academic.

China's new, bold campaign against freedom of speech and information -- including targeted and most likely government-led virus attacks on Google and other western companies for the singular purpose of spying on and detaining activists -- and their increasingly egregious bully tactics toward India, Nepal, Southeast Asia and Africa, clearly demonstrate the moral trajectory of this rising superpower. With the American economy safely in their pocket, the leaders of Beijing are basically issuing a challenge to the world. They are going to pressure, to bully, to exert their influence and forward their agenda however, wherever, and whenever they can. In effect they are saying "go ahead and stop us."

In this climate, acceding anything, any political nugget to the Chinese government is indefensible. Refusing to meet with a Nobel-laureate, a champion of free speech and the rights of the individual would be playing right into their hands. It would be a major step backward.

What good does a meeting with the Dalai Lama do? What good it does is simple -- it sends a clear message to Beijing that they are not the only ones who set the agenda on the Tibet. It sends a clear message that there are limits to their sphere of influence outside their borders. It sends a clear message that the Tibet issue is a vitally important one to resolve. And, perhaps most importantly, it directly represents the wishes of the American people. Americans overwhelmingly wanted this meeting, just as Americans overwhelmingly feel that Tibet should be an independent nation. This is not just a nice fact, it is a political reality that the Chinese government cannot just shrug off or ignore. This, too, will play a role in determining the future of Tibet.

Tibet is a key issue for citizens of the world not, as Grunfeld would have us imagine, because of how it has been publicized. Its a key issue because it is an egregious example of colonialism and oppression which is still continuing unchecked today. Grunfeld and his cohorts can resort to any argument they can dig up or fabricate about 'old Tibet.' The current reality is that people in Tibet disappear for speaking their mind, monasteries are constantly under surveillance, prisoners are tortured, filmmakers are thrown in jail, protests are crushed, and an enduring colonial and racist mentality permeates all aspects of Sino-Tibetan relations.

Within this context, Grunfeld, like all good apologist/colonialist scholars, puts the blame and the burden on the oppressed people themselves. In this interview, Grunfeld seems to be saying to Tibetans and to the Dalai Lama: "If only you would acquiesce more, if only you wouldn't publicize your issue so much, if only you would be more reasonable... then the hardliners wouldn't have an excuse to be so nasty to you."

This exact line of reasoning was used in negotiations between the British government and Gandhi over the independence of India. The British were terrified of how much media attention Gandhi received -- and for good reason. Under the objective light of the camera, it is hard to make an oppressor look like anything other than an oppressor, and a humble opponent in a loincloth (or in monk's robes) usually ends up winning the public's hearts and minds. The British appealed to Gandhi to tone his constant campaigning down a notch so that they could come to some reasonable agreement. But in the end, it was Gandhi's stubbornness, his absolute unwillingness to tone it down that won the day.

The problem with Grunfeld's assertion that the visibility of the Tibet movement strengthens China's hardliners is that the Beijing government has never once shown any indication that a more 'reasoned' stance on the Tibet issue by Tibetans will cause any change in their already hard line policies. The Tibetan side has acquiesced -- repeatedly -- with absolutely no result. More subtly, this type of reasoning assumes that it is the responsibility of the occupied to acquiesce to the occupier. As Nelson Mandela said, in the case of enduring conflicts between occupier and occupied, the occupier has the prime moral responsibility. It is the Chinese government that has to accept the reality of the Tibetan resistance and the global support of it. It is the Chinese government who will eventually have to acquiesce. Freedom and independence are not won through capitulation, but rather by constant, determined action and resistance.

This is where Grunfeld's analysis generally fails. He has never exhibited a firm grasp on the reality of the Tibetan resistance within Tibet -- how widespread it is, how independence-centric it is, how much it is growing, or of the broad spectrum of voices and tactics that are employed within it daily. Though he attempts to surmise the effects of an Obama- Dalai Lama meeting on Tibetans inside Tibet, he simply has no authority to speak on the matter because he does not know. He is simply not part of the discussion. Tibetans inside Tibet are perfectly smart enough to know that this meeting does not represent some huge shift in U.S. policy, nor does it mean that the U.S. would support the Tibetan resistance militarily if it ever came to it. They are also smart enough to recognize what a huge slap in the face it is to Beijing's leadership.

But as usual, Grunfeld treats Tibetans as non-entities -- not only is their resistance movement a PR campaign, not only do they not have a stake in determining their own future, but, like most primitives, they are so gullible and naive that they will be lured into false hope by this meeting, whose political ramifications they clearly can't fully comprehend or analyze.

Grunfeld's short interview, on first glance, appears harmless enough, but there are subtle and not-so-subtle threads that run throughout that deserve to be challenged -- the labeling of a legitimate people's movement as a "publicity campaign"; the inference that in this case the oppressed are the ones who need to acquiesce and capitulate; questioning the value of two Nobel laureates meeting; inferring that the oppressed people can't fully comprehend the ramifications of such a meeting and need a western scholar to explain it to them. All of this points to Grunfeld's true feelings about Tibet, which are frankly colonialist, apologist, borderline racist, and -- after all these years -- have apparently not changed much.

I close with a direct challenge to Professor Grunfeld: Tom. For once, once, why don't you take the absurd and ridiculously negative lens you apply to all things Tibetan and turn it on the Chinese government.

Then see how long until they revoke your visa.

 

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02:26 AM on 03/28/2010
Wow! I'd say there was quite a bit of emotion in this piece, but deservedly so. Excellent article, Mr. Schrei, and thank you for again writing something well worth reading on HP. Someone needed to say this, and you laid out an intelligent and passionate rebuttal to Mr. Grunfeld's viewpoints.

Thank you.
07:24 PM on 03/04/2010
It's in the lunatic and irrational pro-tibet side's interest to spread unsubstantiated rumors about China and those it deems pro-China on this issue (which practically includes just about every working Tibetologist). Look at the vicious and vacuous attacks by these wackos on one of the most venerated Tibetologists Melvyn Goldstein who shares similar criticisms of the Dalai Lama and his TGIE.

What's really racist, colonialist, anti-free speech and apologist is the way these pro-Tibet people have treated and denied or marginalized a voice of anyone they deem "pro-China" and to speak on behalf of people they have had few contact. They can't answer to any substantive claims such as that China's claims over Tibet is wholly legal under international law and always has been and the fact that there is good evidence now that China has benefited Tibet far more than the Dalai Lama and the pro-tibet people are willing to admit. Most never stop to question the absurd claims of the Dalai Lama and his supporters such as claiming that China has committed genocide in Tibet and killed 1.2 million Tibetans.

No matter how much disdain and vitriol Schrei and his ilk spew at respected academics like Grunfeld, Sautman, Goldstein, and Parenti, it speaks volumes that these real scholars have published in peer-reviewed journals sometimes multiply on the Sino-Tibet issue and have devoted their lives to the pursuit of truth unlike the Schrei's unapologetic "activist" perspectives.
07:21 PM on 03/04/2010
Take a look at this idiotic claim by Schrei

"Most of the new generation of American Tibet supporters are fully aware of this brief relationship. They neither see Tibet as some kind of Shangri La nor as a backward feudal theocracy, but as the complex, multi-faceted society that it is."

I don't know if that's delusion with a bit of self-congratulatory hubris thrown in or just outright intentionally misleading. The fact is that most "American Tibet supporters" new and old probably can't even tell Tibet on an unmarked map where Tibet is never mind know that the TGIE and the Dalai Lama were once paid by the CIA essentially to spread anti-Chinese propaganda. And no, they mostly don't know that Tibet was a "multi-faceted society". The Shangrila myth is alive and well thanks in large part to the nonsense spread by the Dalai Lama and his supporters till this day. Ther people in this news broadcast are likely far closer to the average Tibet supporter in the US than the enlightened and knowledgeable people Schrei thinks they are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twHzXN3kNTs
07:20 PM on 03/04/2010
This is a ridiculous fact avoiding screed. It's always been his strategy to avoid making actual claims or counterclaims and instead rely on insinuations of character, motivations, competency and bias. Perhaps avoiding content based claims/counterclaims is the best way he can think of to avoid being shown wrong and biased himself? Like the rest of the nonsense Schrei has written on Tibet and his rabid and irrational dislike for Grunfeld only on the fact that he happens to hold a different opinion it seems, his latest has no substance but is wholly based on ad homs and other emotion tugging but fallacies used to side tract the issues Grunfeld actually raised. Instead of pointing out where Grunfeld as erred, Schrei chooses not to address and confront a single claim of Grunfeld with better supported counterclaims. Instead he relies on his usual illusions and insinuations about the competency and motivations of an actual Tibet scholar.
02:10 AM on 03/02/2010
Mr Schrei response to Mr Tom Grunfeld is fair enough and more sensible to the well informed world. In today's world, self acclaimed Tibetan Historian like Mr. Tom Grunfeld has use every tactics to mislead great policy makers on Tibet by informing a false history about Tibet. Now no more such historian can't fool great policy makers, I Hope. Thanks Mr Schrei for sensing the effects of such interview in long run.
12:37 PM on 03/01/2010
Schrei's "A Lie Repeated - The Far Left’s Flawed History of Tibet" is remarkably free of facts. Compare his account to Parenti's remarkably well footnoted "Friendly Feudalism". Then note that Schrei is paid by Ronald Reagan's pet creation, the National Endowment for Democracy, and note how the NED has a history of funding coups against democracies that aren't friendly to corporations. Then decide who to trust.

And while you're noting this, also note that Parenti's comments on China are scathing. Schrei likes to think you either favor the dispossessed Tibetan feudal lords or the PRC. It's better to look clearly at both the good and bad on both sides.
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12:47 PM on 03/01/2010
Please list one fact for me that is erroneous.

And if the NED is funding me, I certainly haven't received the checks yet :)
02:47 PM on 03/05/2010
Apologies; that should've been "has been paid." The NED poured money into the rightwing Students for A Free Tibet, where you worked.

As for your footnote-free article, it's mostly ad hominem and sleight of hand. For example, you presuppose that Tibet and China were independent nations, even though no major nations recognized them as separate countries; this is like claiming the Confederate States of America was independent. You ignore brutal images of Tibetan slavery taken by the Schafer expedition in 1938 and '39. You talk of accounts of the Tibetan people when you refer to accounts of Tibetan feudal lords and theocrats. You duck inconvenient facts, such as the Dalai Lama's support of armed resistance by those who dreamed of restoring the theocracy until the early '70s, long after the CIA stopped funding the fight. You mention the Panchen Lama's opposition to the Chinese, but you don't mention the Dorje Phagmo's support of the Chinese and denunciation of the Dalai Lama. At best, you do what you accuse Parenti of: you tell a biased tale.

But Parenti never denies his bias, and he provides the footnotes for his claims. Which made it easy for you to engage in ad hominem, but left you unable to do more than attempt to reinterpret those facts in accord with your ideology.
10:53 PM on 03/01/2010
Parenti, who never met a dictator masquerading as a leftist he didn't like, uses footnotes. Let's deconstruct the Stalinist apoligist, Milosovic backer, Orwell slanderer's methods:

http://www.studentsforafreetibet.org/article.php?id=425

"In his descriptions of old Tibet, Parenti predominantly draws on the work of four historians - Anna Louise Strong, A. Tom Grunfeld, and Roma and Stuart Gelder. The fact that all of these historians had a romantic predilection towards Maoism and drew mostly on Chinese government statistics should surely be cause for concern as far as their legitimacy as source material. One certainly wouldn't trust the Indonesian government's party line on Aceh or East Timor. Or, for that matter, the U.S. government's continued assertion that the Iraqi people welcome the current American occupation. Such manipulations of public sentiment, in which an occupation is presented as 'the will of the people,' are – as a rule – only employed to further the agenda of the occupier."

[me] As for "scathing" comments on the awful CC(sic)P legacy, even a half-truthful account would include horrible barbarism especially where it concerned Mao.
04:35 PM on 02/28/2010
Kudos to Mr. Schrei. Your article is really well researched and enlightening. I too visited Tibet from Hong Kong and found no freedom of expression for Tibetans in the land of peaceful Buddhist region. The Tibetans were too scared to speak with the foreigners. After touring Lhasa the Communist propaganda is too much to digest. Keeping Dalai Lama's picture can end up in prison. Beijing might have pooled millions of yuan to Tibet region, but not a single modern city built in 50 years. The train I took to Lhasa had only few Tibetans traveling and the majority were immigrants from mainland China. Too much for too long.
08:42 AM on 02/28/2010
Excellent piece!

Well done Mr. Schrei!

I just got back from Tibet very recently. The Chinese have occupied it, but they have certainly not conquered it. The common Tibetan citizen truly despises the Chinese military.

The Chinese military troops in Lhasa look so much like the German occupiers in Europe in the 1940s. It’s only a matter of time, and the Chinese troops will end up like the German occupiers.
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10:22 PM on 02/27/2010
Excellent piece. For the readers who are still skeptics (especially the lefties, which this commenter certainly is by the way), I wanna post a couple links since the author didn't.

First, a powerful piece by Josh refuting views espoused by Michael Parenti and other leftists who just get it wrong on Tibet and allow an anti-imperialist perspective to cloud their otherwise often incisive and thoughtful political analysis:
A Lie Repeated: The Far Left's Flawed View of Tibet:
http://www.studentsforafreetibet.org/article.php?id=425

And by Lhadon Tethong, former Exec. Director of Students for a Free Tibet and now Director of a new program called Tibet Action Institute:
China’s Favorite Propaganda on Tibet…and Why It’s Wrong
http://www.studentsforafreetibet.org/article.php?id=422
04:25 AM on 03/02/2010
Thank you for the links, one helped refute the very confused post above. Why in the world someone so overtly reactionary like Parenti is still considered a leftist is an embarrassment and shows how far we have to go as a left movement.
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07:50 PM on 02/27/2010
Part 2

You mention India. I must say, how many insurgencies are taking place in India today? Do you have any idea at all? What is happening to the Tibetans in Mustang and Sikkim? Indeed, I bet you do not know right off the top of your head, without looking it up. I think you also do not really care about the "tibetan's, who live all over Asia, and not many of whom see the dalai Lama as their political leader, nor has any voter for him.

It's one thing to revere "spiritual leaders," like the Pope, but you have not compared the Dalai Lama to the Pope, but to Ghandi, but it's another thing to want the Pope to rule one's "Atonomous" land. Or is it the people he wants to rule. Or is it just freedom from the pinky commies?

My heart goes out to the people living in Tibet, China today, as they are being, once again, used as a political trophy. The dalai Lama should get back to Dharmasala and sit some more, and reflect on why he finde it so difficult to appologise to his former serfs and salves for the suffering and humiliation they endured for so many centuries, and the additional 8/9 years after the PRC was founded.

Wnat to talk about how well Democracy is working in Mongolia, Haiti and Iraq?
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07:50 PM on 02/27/2010
Part 1

First, you should consider a new headline for your post, so the pro Free Tibet supporters and activists know what to post here without reading, as the two comments below so clearly demenstrate.

Second, your position is so biased that it is difficult for me to know where to start.

http://english.cri.cn/6909/2010/02/21/189s551438.htm

From my point of view, freedom, personal freedom, is the foundation of modernaziation and democracy. One cannot imagine a country that advocates freedom and democtacy where their still exists serfs and slaves. America tried it, and the result was a terrible civil war, when the slave owners succeeded, from the Union.

But freedom from serfdom and slavery are not enough. People must have economic freedom, They must have enough to eat, housing, schools and security from violence. In other words, people want to live a good life.

Having achieved a place to live and work, with enough to eat and and feelings of safety and security, next people want schools and health care.

Let's look at the Dalai Lama and his crew. They deeply regret leaving China, and feel betrayed by the US, which they now see was only using them in their scheme to destabalize China. Rightfully, they whine, "The US doesn't care about Tibetans." But, back in 1949-1959, neither did they.
04:51 PM on 02/27/2010
What Good It Does: A Response to A. Tom Grunfeld on the Obama - Dalai Lama Meeting

For once, once, why don't you take the absurd and ridiculously negative lens you apply to all things Tibetan and turn it on the Chinese government.Then see how long until they revoke your visa.
04:47 PM on 02/27/2010
"For once, once, why don't you take the absurd and ridiculously negative lens you apply to all things Tibetan and turn it on the Chinese government.
Then see how long until they revoke your visa."