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The Wars Are Over -- Now Cut Defense Spending

Posted: 10/31/11 11:12 AM ET

The wars in Iraq and Libya are over, and Afghanistan is winding down. As President Obama has repeated, "the tide of war is receding." So why are we still spending one-third more on the military than the Cold War peak, double the level of the 1990s -- some $9,000 a year per American household?

Apparently, Americans believe that the post-9/11 world is more dangerous than ever, brimming with existential threats. This belief, however, is delusional. Hard evidence shows the opposite to be true.

First of all, the world's big, uniformed national armies with all their heavy weapons are no longer fighting each other anywhere. Those head-to-head clashes have produced the deadliest and most destructive wars -- India versus Pakistan, Iran versus Iraq. Today's wars are smaller-scale insurgencies with different and less expensive military requirements.

Second, wars are confined to smaller areas of the world than in past decades, and the fighting is more localized. Whole regions consumed by war a decade or two ago, such as Central America, the Balkans, and West Africa, are now at peace. We don't need to be everywhere all the time with 11 super-expensive aircraft carriers.

Third, when researchers count the world's deaths from war violence, the numbers today are a third lower than during the Cold War. It doesn't feel that way because war reporters are eager to tell us of the horrors of whatever wars remain, and some horrible ones do remain. Nevertheless, we live in a less violent world overall than any in memory.

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Federal discretionary spending (from American Friends Service Committee)


While military spending must prepare us for future dangers, not just today's situations, are those dangers really greater than 30 years ago? The Soviet Union is long gone. China has not fought a single military battle in 25 years, and its leaders depend on trade-based prosperity, not war, for their legitimacy. The world's nuclear arsenals have been reduced by three-quarters in the past 30 years, and further cuts have been agreed upon.

U.S. military commitments around the world have also shrunk. Over the past decade we've pulled out 30,000 troops from Europe, 25,000 from Japan and Korea, and 10,000 from Latin America. By the end of this year, 45,000 will come home from Iraq and next year, 33,000 will return from Afghanistan.

Are we spending so much to train our allies' counter-terrorism units, to buy more drones, or to build up our special forces? No, those things are relatively cheap. Rather, we are spending huge amounts to prepare for a major state-to-state war using heavy formations in massive air, land, and sea operations. In other words, to stop the Soviet Red Army from invading West Germany or to fight land wars in Asia like Vietnam or the invasion of Iraq.

Last February, then-Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said that any American leader who would "again send a big American land army into Asia or into the Middle East or Africa should have his head examined." As Gates points out, the defense bureaucracy plans for "high-end conflicts" based on "what transpired in the last century." Gates has also noted the "wasteful, excessive, and unneeded spending" that bloats today's military budget. That's a defense secretary speaking, not an Occupy Wall Street protester.

To adjust to our radically changed world, the diminishing threats we face, the end of our decade of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the changing nature of warfare, the military brass and politicians have a plan -- 5 percent cuts from our current record-high spending. That would leave us way above Cold War levels, still matching the rest of the world combined.

What we need instead are deep cuts, phased in over some years in a well-planned process. Even returning the spending levels of the 1990s, half today's total and one-third below the Cold War peak, would leave us with the world's largest and most capable military force by far.

It's true, military leaders can do their jobs best with unlimited resources -- but so could teachers and firefighters whose budgets we are slashing in the face of massive deficits. In a country whose economic weakness is far more dangerous than any military threat, big cuts in defense spending simply must be on the table.

And don't say that military spending creates jobs. Study after study has shown that the same money invested in education, infrastructure, or other productive activities creates far more jobs than military spending.

America's wars are ending, and heavy tank formations cannot solve what ails this country. It's time to end the delusion of a violent, threatening world and stop wasting money on forces we no longer need. Trimming by 5 percent just isn't going to cut it.

 
 
 

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brian464
world peace thru world wide disarmament
02:41 AM on 11/03/2011
Professor Joshua S. Goldstein states "forces we no longer need." ?

My question is "When in history has the US government ever needed forces ? ".

Even the revolutionary war was unnecessary since Canada did not rebel against Britain and yet Canada got its independence without war.

Has the forces of the US government ever been a blessing to Americans or the world ? this link will answer that question :

http://forum.isi.org/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=5270060552&f=9310035552&m=4280031492&r=4301034126#4301034126
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Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
03:27 PM on 11/01/2011
Mr. Goldstein, I would remind you of the armored HMMVW fiasco of 2003/4. The military was constrained to buy mostly unarmored HMMVW's by Congress in the 80's, when the vehicle was introduced. Then, Rumsfeld was vilified for sending unarmored vehicles into combat and for saying, "you go to war with the army you have"! Reducing spending is not a bad idea, basically. But NO ONE can predict what future conflicts will involve. Further, acquisition of many big-ticket items is a years-long issue. An aircraft carrier takes 4-7 years to build. New combat aircraft take years to design, years to build acceptably, and ALWAYS go over budget due to politics. Even a new rifle, and one has been in the works for about 15 years, is a tough nut to crack. How will you predict what will be needed, and what NOT? Where will you cut? You mention nuclear, but that's rather small-ticket stuff. We are losing more and more land projection ability, as countries go dark under Islam. Carrier projection is a must, and the aircraft and fleets to protect them.
Instead of merely making incorrect comparisons (schools are local, and bridges are highway/gas taxes), why not get specific. How many infantry, artillery, tank, etc., formations WILL be required in 2/12/22/102 years. Accurately show us the answer to that, satisfying all the skepticism your claim will generate. You might get some concurrence from me and those like me.
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Joshua S. Goldstein
09:50 PM on 11/01/2011
Appreciate your perspective, but since we don't know what's needed why don't we have 30 aircraft carriers instead of 11? Answer is, they're very expensive and it's a trade-off for other needs. So why 11 rather than, say, 8? It can't be that what we needed in a decade of war is exactly the right level for a world of diminishing threats.
I don't know how many heavy formations we need. I do know that Secretary Gates went to West Point earlier this year and told them to prepare to lose heavy formations because we're not going to fight that kind of war.
Rumsfeld was right about fighting with the army you have. It's what we did in WWII when we were woefully unprepared. But the mistake wasn't reducing spending after the Cold War, it was doing it badly, led by the U.S. Congress, and then going into Iraq in 2003 without enough troops to keep order afterwards (my opinion). If Rumsfeld had listened to Shinseki we might not have needed armored HMMVW's. It would have been hundreds of billions of dollars cheaper.
I don't want to disarm unilaterally but I don't believe the only way to cut is to hollow out the force under Congress's ideas like keeping open unneeded bases in their home districts.
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Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
08:17 AM on 11/02/2011
We don't have 30 carriers because Congress, in it's great wisdom, won't fund them, of course. Why not 8? Well, 8 cannot carry the number of aircraft that 11 carry, and those 3 Wings would be sorely missed by the Marines and soldiers on the ground that need support. See, nothing exists in a vacuum. It's all inter-related. We don't have ground bases, and large swaths of the world are going dark. So, we have carriers. We should have at least 15, actually, given that some MUST be in the yards for refit and overhaul (normally 1-3 year iteration).
Mr. Gates has no more prescience than do I. He cannot predict. His words are opinion only.
The Federal government has only a few Powers. One of those is building and maintaining an Army and Navy. However, it spends a tremendous amount of money on things NOT empowered to it. Reduce spending, and we can not only afford our military, but pay down our debts.
You didn't ask for unilateral disarmament. You merely asked for disarmament! We have not only our own continent to watch over, but broad international interests. It isn't cheap. And the men and women who man this effort need the best we can give them, and plenty of it!
I don't fault a desire to find the best, fiscally responsible, way to do things. But how to do it, why, and by whom, is the question.
Thanks for civil discussion.
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brian464
world peace thru world wide disarmament
03:12 AM on 11/03/2011
Has the forces of the US government ever been a blessing to Americans or the world ?

The attacks on 9/11/01 was the result of the US government collaterally killing civilians in the middle east , ever since the US government helped the British government conquer and collaterally kill civilians in the Middle East during WW1, which in turn resulted in 80 long years of blow back policies in the middle east which in turn resulted in Osama bin Laden launching a 10 year terror campaign culminating in the attacks on 9/11/01

Take a look at the history of collateral killings of civilians by the US government, not only in the middle east but around the world :

http://forum.isi.org/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=5270060552&f=9310035552&m=4280031492&r=4301034126#4301034126
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Berettasskeeter
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08:25 AM on 11/03/2011
No, the 9/11 attacks were a culmination of Islamic attack around the world since the 60's. Prior to that, Islam was quietly consolidating it's hold over much of the East. And prior to that Islam was assisting Hitler.
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Michael D Ballantine
Texas Justice Party - Chairperson
01:10 AM on 11/01/2011
It is criminal to spend this money on tanks and ships when we have 50 million uninsured, 20 million jobless, student loans weighing down our graduates, and 25% of mortgages underwater. Any candidate running for President that does not propose cuts to defense should be considered an enemy of the people. We need to rationalize our defense spending to the realities of life. Setting the number at 2% of GDP is a good way to allow for natural growth and provide a reasonable defense.
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Joshua S. Goldstein
08:03 AM on 11/01/2011
And 2 percent of GDP or less is about what many other countries spend, including countries that have better social services, less debt than us, and/or faster economic growth. And they haven't been overrun by armed barbarian hordes either!
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Michael D Ballantine
Texas Justice Party - Chairperson
01:56 AM on 11/02/2011
I want to meet this hoarde. I live overseas and people over here just want to make money. America lives in a fantasy world of enemies pursuing it to the ends of the earth. It's more of a Peter Pan existence than reality.
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CelticMajic
The answer lies in each of us individually
03:02 PM on 11/01/2011
Michael, what is the difference between a "jobs bill" and a "defense bill". Is it better to build a road or a C-17?
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Michael D Ballantine
Texas Justice Party - Chairperson
01:40 AM on 11/02/2011
The road is always better because a C-17 has only a limited use, moving troops. Normally, the C-17 will be idle and not producing anything. Whereas, the road adds to the productive infrastructure. An alternative consideration would be a bulldozer for a construction project funded with stimulus money. That dozer would be working building new factories whereas the C-17 is parked at an airport. The dozer produces something and the C-17 just consumes.
01:09 AM on 11/01/2011
Once we end our military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan, we will begin saving a lot of money. And I think our military does need to be downsized, but not for the reason that you believe. We need to retire old military equipment and begin to invest in new. We need a smaller, yet more capable military. This requires investment. This does create jobs and new technologies which do have a spinoff effect. We can do better with less, but we can't afford Draconian cuts to the Defense Department. You really don't understand the military buildup that is going on in countries like China, Russia, and India. The first and foremost job of the federal government is to provide for the common defense. Promote the general welfare is second.
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Joshua S. Goldstein
08:06 AM on 11/01/2011
OK but two points... First, China, Russia, and India are way, way behind us in military forces. They are modernizing and growing, but from a starting point of much smaller and technologically backward forces. And second, investment in the military is not bad in itself but comes at a cost in other investments, like in bridges and schools. It needs to be on the table with the rest and not sacred.
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Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
03:17 PM on 11/01/2011
Here's one back to you. We have NO idea, in concrete terms, what China or Russia spend on their military forces. One is a Communist dictatorship, and the other is generally considered to be an oligarchy, headed by the former head of the KGB. All available figures are released by China and Russia, and our intelligence people have ALWAYS considered them to be extremely low-balled!
And another, if people want schools then they advocate for them to their state and local governments, who's responsibility it is for such building. Bridges are paid out of highway taxes and gas taxes, and do NOT suffer from defense spending.
Semper fi
06:53 AM on 11/07/2011
Disagree China is "way, way behind us"! Please give some examples because from my vantage point what we see are the Chinese steadily progressing their technological edge. They are the region's top military and with the recent building of an aircraft carrier they can and will be able to conduct limited force projection further into the region. I just think your wording is a little misleading to say they are "way, way behind us"...makes them seem like they're still in 50's and 60's and they clearly are not. They have some fairly sophisticated technologies from anti-ship to cyber they are something to contend with...they aren't 100 ft. tall but they're not a bunch of dotes either.

You are correct that military spending comes at a cost. What I would rather see is a complete overhaul of HOW the military spends and that process. However, I contend it is a reflection of the government itself -- cumbersome and ineffecient!
09:43 PM on 10/31/2011
The issue isn't whether to cut defense spending, but how much and in what areas. There are thousands of civilian jobs that exist to support the military both in the government and in the private sector, Many towns also depend on the the wages and spending of the military employees to support their local businesses.What happens to these people if we cut military spending.

A long time ago, I went to a 3-way debate. The was one person each with the positions of cutting or increasing military spending and their arguments were primarily political. The third person was Larry Klein, who got a Nobel prize for his work in econometrics. When the discussion came to him, he explained that he had no political position either way, but that his models of the economy showed that each 1% cut results in a more than %1 cut in GDP. This is a far more complex situation than you make it out to be,
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Joshua S. Goldstein
08:08 AM on 11/01/2011
It is a bit complicated, because we're trying to come out of a really big recession and it's not a favorable time to cut spending period, civilian or military. But over the coming years -- and this will take some years to do in a planned, sensible way -- more jobs will be created by cutting back on military spending and correspondingly increasing in spending on teachers, police officers, construction workers, etc.
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CelticMajic
The answer lies in each of us individually
03:08 PM on 11/01/2011
Mr. Goldstein, the professions you suggest should grow are NOT self sustaining. We need to create wealth not consume wealth. While noble and laudable, teaching and law enforcement consume wealth. Yes they help create the environment for wealth creation but they do NOT create wealth. High end technical jobs do create wealth. You’re seeking to increase relatively low paying work while reducing high end work and it makes one wonder what your motives might be.
iridium53
Semper Fi
07:18 PM on 10/31/2011
It would be prudent to cut defense spending - if the money can be put into infrastructure spending and those jobs prioritized for the veterans that are going to be affected by the reduction in force.
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Joshua S. Goldstein
08:09 AM on 11/01/2011
RIght - putting veterans to work is a good way to get the economy growing.
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JimInHouston
Arma virumque cano...
05:59 PM on 10/31/2011
Joshua,

Your pretty little pie chart seems to be missing some important parts of the Federal Budget. Now, what ends might be served by such exclusion?
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Joshua S. Goldstein
07:04 PM on 10/31/2011
The chart is of "discretionary spending" and therefore does not include Social Security & Medicare which are funded from payroll taxes and whose expenditures are not controlled in the same way Congress votes on the rest of the budget.
iridium53
Semper Fi
07:16 PM on 10/31/2011
It seems to me that the chart includes all the federal budget that is considered discretionary - just as marked.

Social Security and Medicare are funded separately.

This would seem to be a good representation of the proportions that defense has over other federal income taxed activities.
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marignymitch
E pluribus unum percent
05:21 PM on 10/31/2011
'The wars are over.'

True if you mean they are morphing into something much more profitable for MIC. The idol and national mascot Mamon demands its due.
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Joshua S. Goldstein
06:02 PM on 10/31/2011
How does pulling troops out of Iraq make more money for the Military Industrial Complex?
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marignymitch
E pluribus unum percent
06:16 PM on 10/31/2011
I hate dignifying this 'question' with an answer. But here I go anyways: because it frees the troops for additional expensive wars in the Persian Gulf region and Africa. PS: There will be no cuts at war department.
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JDM73
male, 38, writer/draughtsman/ex-musician
04:41 PM on 10/31/2011
Sadly, the wars aren't over. They go on and on and on because they're very profitable for certain people...and if we don't stand up and say "Enough is enough", they'll never end.

http://www.salon.com/2011/10/31/what_withdrawal_means_for_an_empire/singleton/
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Joshua S. Goldstein
05:06 PM on 10/31/2011
ALL the U.S. troops are coming home from Iraq in the next 2 months. No U.S. politician in his or her right mind is going to start another war like Iraq anytime soon. And although wars are profitable for certain people, true enough, they are extremely unprofitable for other powerful people. And by people I mean corporations of course. Remember what happened after we invaded Iraq? The price of oil spiked and the airlines and car companies went off the bankruptcy cliff like lemmings. Insurance companies also hate wars; so do import-export companies. So lots of folks agree that "enough is enough."
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JDM73
male, 38, writer/draughtsman/ex-musician
05:19 PM on 10/31/2011
So we continue to shake a big stick at Iran, engage in drone attacks in Pakistan and Yemen, and maintain a massive presence in Afghanistan for the foreseeable future because...?
Look, I'd like to agree with you that the tide is turning, but that's not what I see.
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marignymitch
E pluribus unum percent
05:33 PM on 10/31/2011
I'll get back to you after our many wars in the Middle East and Africa heat up further, we don't leave Afghanistan and we invade Iran. (We're officially leaving 5000 mercenaries in Iraq; lord knows how many that figure is in unofficial numbers. Along with our thouands of officials at our new regional territorial capital in Baghdad.)
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EspritDeVoltaire
K Street PR firm board member
04:35 PM on 10/31/2011
Although you're correct on the "defense" spending being outrageous, equal to the rest of the world combined, the wars are never over. Political pandering to the Right dictates we will have another soon.
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Joshua S. Goldstein
05:07 PM on 10/31/2011
Maybe a war like Libya -- total cost of about a billion dollars -- but not another trillion dollar war like Iraq-Afghanistan. I don't see it. The Republicans got killed in 2006 when people realized Iraq was a mistake.
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Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
08:37 AM on 11/02/2011
Who says we spend more than the entire world, COMBINED? Who says it? From where do the figures come? Who puts the figures together? This is a nonsense claim (and I blame you only for buying into it with no critical analysis) made by those who hate the military and want more free stuff from the taxpayer.
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Joshua S. Goldstein
09:10 PM on 11/02/2011
It's about equal to, not more than, the rest combined. That's in the International Relations textbook used at West Point and the Air Force Academy (which I wrote). The data are from Institute for International and Strategic Studies, "The Military Balance 2010." Do you have a different source for saying it's nonsense?
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DoubleYellowLines
Left of the Right, and Right of the Left
03:59 PM on 10/31/2011
Never get involved in a land war in Asia. - Vizzini
03:27 PM on 10/31/2011
This will be extremely difficult because THERE'S NO PROFITEERING LIKE WAR PROFITEERING. The WAR DEPARTMENT should be cut by at least 50%, but my guess it will be cut no more than 5%.
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Joshua S. Goldstein
04:06 PM on 10/31/2011
Tell your Congressperson that 5% doesn't cut it.
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Eva fate
05:58 PM on 10/31/2011
See, my congressperson gets a lot of money from people who work making weapons and whatnot, whereas I don't have anything but my vote to make them sit up and pay attention.
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blackraisin
Life, Liberty, Property.
03:02 PM on 10/31/2011
An easy area to cut in the military budget that doesn't affect jobs is the nuclear weapons budget.

http://cutnukes.globalzero.org/
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Joshua S. Goldstein
04:05 PM on 10/31/2011
True, although unfortunately it's not a huge part of the overall budget, and also some of the nuclear budget now goes for dismantling the weapons and buying up the Russian uranium/plutonium. But for sure the budget for developing/modernizing nukes could be completely eliminated.
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LibRule
So how did that one-term thingy work for you?
02:48 PM on 10/31/2011
$9,000 per household!!!! This insanity HAS to be stopped!!!!
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Joshua S. Goldstein
03:10 PM on 10/31/2011
Not like we could ever afford that, but in these times it takes a bite! BTW that includes the regular budget and VA benefits, but not "interest on the debt from past wars" and indirect things like that.
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LibRule
So how did that one-term thingy work for you?
03:49 PM on 10/31/2011
The $9K per household figure is from the article, so it seems we ARE 'affording' that- really more like spending that! ;) I noticed that it included VA Benefits- which it should not, IMO, as that is not even negotiable- it is what we owe the guys that earned the benefits. Other graphs to take into accout show how much we spend on defense in realtion to what other countries spend- http://www.rickety.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/defense_spending.jpg - and that is also indefensible! Perhaps we need a law like- our defense budget is not to exceed the sum of the three countries closest to us in defense spending- we would save what looks like around $400B.
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LibRule
So how did that one-term thingy work for you?
04:00 PM on 10/31/2011
And you have your first HUFFPo fan! ;)
02:42 PM on 10/31/2011
I'm all for fiscal responsibility and accountability as well as national security, but I don't understand why some folks won't touch defense spending. Didn't we hear awhile back that DoD lost track of billions, or was it trillions of dollars? And I distinctly remember a GAO leader calling the Defense Department inauditable - a new word for no way to know what's really going on.