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The Media's Cain Mutiny

Posted: 10/31/11 09:14 PM ET

Let's put some things aside. I condemn sexual harassment. I have no intention of voting for
Herman Cain. I don't know if Herman Cain committed sexual harassment. What I do know is that settlements of law suits including those alleging sexual harassment are not evidence of anything. Law suits are settled everyday because of the embarrassment a trial may bring and the expense of defending. One of the great failures of our judicial system is the cost of justice. Many suits without merit are settled, because it takes too great an expenditure of time and money to defend them. Settlement may well be an admission of guilt, but it is wrong to assume that it is.

I watched television today with some horror as Mr. Cain was barraged with questions as to whether or not "allegations of sexual harassment" were made against him and whether or not those claims were settled. Questions as to whether or not he committed sexual harassment certainly would be appropriate. The only relevant question is whether or not the allegations are true, not whether they were made.

Sexual harassment is a serious matter and is certainly relevant as to whether or not someone is qualified to be President of the United States. But these revelations say more about our political system and its coverage than they do about Herman Cain. The media serves an important function when it vets political candidates or nominees and searches their past for evidence relevant to their qualifications. But all too often the revelations are minuscule and ancient. The previous scandal of choice is hiring an undocumented alien. I don't think anyone (and certainly not someone as wealthy as Mitt Romney) hires a gardener and checks the immigration status of each person that gardener employs.

I do not suggest that sexual harassment falls into the same category -- it is far more serious. But think of the time and effort that has been devoted to President Obama's birth certificate and more importantly, how this non-fact regarding his birth has been accepted by so many as the truth. Even if false, the allegations have a life of their own. I recognize that reporters' questions are not subject to the same strictures as questions asked in a trial. Courts don't allow "When did you stop beating your wife?" questions, because the question presupposes a fact not in evidence. A question that asks whether allegations were made -- not whether they are true -- has the same effect.

And now the media is suggesting that how the questions were handled reflects upon Mr. Cain's competency -- not the truth so much as the technique employed to respond. The same has been true in respect to the Republican debates. The emphasis is on how well the candidates performed rather than what they actually said or believe. Being "glib" is more important than being smart. As a result, many select and elect candidates around the edges and focus on what the media considers important -- no matter how trivial -- and not on the fundamental beliefs and qualifications of the candidates.

If Herman Cain was guilty of sexual harassment then it is appropriate for that fact to influence his election chances. If he is not guilty of sexual harassment, the fact that it was alleged against him and settled should play no part in his candidacy. It is the answer and the truth that are relevant; not the question and its inferences.

 
Let's put some things aside. I condemn sexual harassment. I have no intention of voting for Herman Cain. I don't know if Herman Cain committed sexual harassment. What I do know is that settlements of...
Let's put some things aside. I condemn sexual harassment. I have no intention of voting for Herman Cain. I don't know if Herman Cain committed sexual harassment. What I do know is that settlements of...
 
 
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05:41 PM on 11/02/2011
#3 has come forward so we definitely seem to have a male who sees women as a piece of az.... meat.
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Lamar Chapman III
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04:00 PM on 11/02/2011
Judge Sarokin:

Your Honor are you serious? Even in the federal court the verdict is usually based on personal belief or personalities of the parties or witnesses and not the facts or the law.

I lost a civil bench trial only because the sitting judge said that I wasn't devastated enough or because of my "cavalier" attitude. I was the plaintiff. The contracts, agreements and witnesses didn't even count! The only thing that mattered to the judge is that I was winning a major lawsuit against one of the largest banks in America.

Judge, I got the Herman Cain, and Clarence Thomas treatment!

Ann Coulter said that it was only because I am a black conservative, republican! I tried to implement the don't ask, and don't tell rule, but it is obvious that I am black. In my situation due process was suspended! So, Judge Sarokin, why should Herman Cain get a break? That would be the "affirmative action" that Herman said he never needed!

God Bless You Judge and Thank You for Your Time!!!!

LAMAR C. CHAPMAN III
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ligligl
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03:01 PM on 11/02/2011
Sorry. Got to fix the typos. "falsis in uno, falsis in omnia".
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BrianPK80
Wisdom is having more questions than answers.
01:18 PM on 11/02/2011
Thank you for the article, Your Honor. I agree and particularly enjoyed your observation of how the media caters to the public's desire for triviality over substance. After decades of conditioning Americans to be simplified ideal consumers rather than complex conscientious human beings, the depraved results of those efforts are in plain view.
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
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03:39 PM on 11/02/2011
BrianPK80 - Thank you.
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knott wrench
09:32 PM on 11/01/2011
Hey Judge H. Lee Sarokin.

The issue is about "How" Herman Cain is Addressing the "Exposure".

If he "Stepped up to the Plate" and said;

"Affirmative, I Settled the Claims 15 years ago" or "Negative I was not involved in any Claims 15 years ago".

That would have ended the "Investigation Right there.

But his "Slowly 'Recovered' Memory" over the past few days, leads the Media to "Smell Blood", like a Shark in the Ocean and believes their is a "Bigger Story" Here!
01:30 AM on 11/02/2011
In fairness, witnesses often recover memory as a subject is discussed. The question is more whether he's believable.

You know, were there so many claims he forgot paying a years salary about one? His general counsel surely grilled him in preparation for a deposition in the course of settling. And we're to think he doesn't remember that, but he still has the focus to be CinC?
dessertsfirst
because life is too short!!
09:28 PM on 11/01/2011
Thank you for a logical and well-thought out piece. The fact that there are allegations and money changing hands, does not mean the allegations are true.

We expect the media to ask the right questions in order for us to judge for ourselves the appropriateness (or lack thereof) of the answer.

But the sharks smell bl oo d in the water, and are circling w/ anticipation. Sex always gets people's attention.

But the point remains, the sport of politics is a dirty one, and journalists and other candidates love to participate in the "gotcha"... it increases ratings, the other candidates hope it will result in a knockout punch.

We the people need to decide who will best serve us in the white house, and vote accordingly.
We can also hold the media to a higher standard in reporting to us the news...
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10:50 PM on 11/01/2011
dessertsfirst - Thank you for the voice of reason.
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Adam of CA
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07:36 PM on 11/01/2011
This argument is a brain twister. First, an allegation of sexual misconduct is not evidence of guilt. Second, the payoff given to the alleged victim does not indicate guilt by the payer. This double positive needs a second look.

The argument of this essay is that "the answer is relevant, and not the question." In most court cases the payoff is the answer, and that payoff becomes the evidence that a crime has been committed. So too, the answer in this allegation is the payoff. Thus, the payoff is the evidence of guilt, rather than of innocence.
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Querent
I say the things that have to be said.
08:12 PM on 11/01/2011
You failed to distinguish between a bribe, which is an illegal payoff, and a settlement, which is legal. Weak logic, leading to a faulty conclusion.
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
Retired after serving 17 years on the federal cour
09:11 PM on 11/01/2011
Querent - Thanks. People charged with sexual harassment want to settle whether the claim has merit or is baseless in order to avoid the embarrassment of a public trial. They also want the settlement secret for the same reasons. If they are guilty they don't want the public to know about the charges and if they are innocent they don't want the payment to be viewed as a sign of guilt.Ergo---my insistence that a settlement is no more indicative of guilt than it is of innocence.
05:44 PM on 11/02/2011
well-said, adam. cain isn't some little guy like most of america, but someone who's been in power positions for awhile now. those guys never pay out on a whim, but only when they're absolutely forced to aka when they *are* guilty
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Charles Queen
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07:22 PM on 11/01/2011
If stones are going to be thrown then they need to take a har look at Clinton.How about her ripping of people of millions of dollars in the savings and loan scandals of which everyone knew she was guilty of doing it but because of billy boy she got off the hook although none of the money was ever recovered and I would say thats because she buried it.Then we have the clintons white house experience.They left a line of dead body's all of which were deemed as of being of a suspicous nature and it included drug dealers one of which was flying in drugs and the lst go's on and on
05:45 PM on 11/02/2011
speaking of savings and loans, look at the bushes. all of them.
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tnkeating
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06:12 PM on 11/01/2011
I didn't really care about Bill Clintons sexapaid nor do I care about Herman Cains, IF guilty at all, it only proves he's human. When the media starts lambasting him like they did Sarah Palin it only proves their fear that he might be the nominee they fear the most. This is just the start of trying to discredit Cain, guess I should send him more money.
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sjcarl
12:31 AM on 11/02/2011
By all means, throw money at Herman Cain. I like Republicans wasting their money.
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
Retired after serving 17 years on the federal cour
06:13 PM on 11/01/2011
I frequently find that comments respond to things that I did not say rather than what I actually said. For clarification: guilt (even of politicians) cannot be inferred merely because someone is accused and settles. Cases are settled for a variety of reasons for valid and false claims..The media certainly should investigate and report on political candidates. The responses from Mr. Cain (which I did not know when I posted) are certainly relevant as to his truthfulness and character. I consider sexual harassment to be a serious matter. I know not whether Mr. Cain is guilty of it. The truth will out.
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Querent
I say the things that have to be said.
08:15 PM on 11/01/2011
Many of the people who post on the internet aren't arguing with other people, but instead are arguing with the voices in their own heads. Even in real life, many people who argue are not listening to the other person, but are using the time when they are not speaking to prepare their own arguments. Nobody can reach those people with argument, because to them, the argument is just an opportunity to state their own point of view without even considering the other person's.
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09:12 PM on 11/01/2011
Querent - Agreed---sounds like Congress!
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CanadaStan
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05:26 PM on 11/01/2011
Vera Baker?
Is that the gal Obama was poking that the media ignored?
Norm
Read think read analyze read comment
03:57 PM on 11/01/2011
You know, if this man harrassed women sexually, the incident reported is likely not the only time he victimized someone. Those who abuse power in this manner are usually serial perpetrators. Wait.
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CanadaStan
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05:26 PM on 11/01/2011
John Edwards?
Why did the media try to hide his crimes?

Oh, wait, HE was Democrat.
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knott wrench
09:36 PM on 11/01/2011
That's what the "Media Sharks' are looking for now, as Herman Cain's "Recovered Memory" improves.
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Demitasse
Ars longa, vita brevis
03:14 PM on 11/01/2011
"It is the answer and the truth that are relevant; not the question and its inferences."

Cain is no politician but he's fast becoming one with this issue. I don't think how he answered questions from reporters is indicative of anything in particular; he could've honestly been caught flat footed & unprepared. Various consultations with his campaign managers probably account for the unevenness of his explanations. Whether Cain is telling the truth or not remains to be seen. Gennifer Flowers (tapes) didn't stop Bill Clinton from becoming President but Donna Rice (pics) completely knocked Gary Hart out of contention. If anyone else comes forward with similar accusations against Cain, that imo would be the other shoe falling & probably enough to end his campaign.
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02:51 PM on 11/01/2011
After reading many replies and comments here and on other sites I am quite troubled by two things. One is something that you, Judge, may have inadvertently inferred: that because something is settled 'out of court' many assume it to be less onerous or meaningful, that it must be 'fluff'.

I also find it quite heart-breaking to see so many men (sorry, but it is mostly men) so quick to wave sexual harrassment off as something commonplace and coined up by treacherous devious women. That's an awfully broad brush, quite a generality. Do none of you have wives, daughters, sisters? because you are including them in your general assessment of women in the workplace.
Norm
Read think read analyze read comment
03:52 PM on 11/01/2011
The term "sexual harrassment" is thrown around way too loosely: it is a very serious charge. It can be a career wrecker for either the harrassee or the accused. I have been harrassed and fighting it lasted a year, during which I was blackballed and completely isolated in my workplace. It was horrible, but filing charges was not an option as the perpetrator threatened my job and I had a child to support. But there are women who falsely charge; we all have met them: they use the charge as a threat. Because of a handful of women, threat of the charge is frightening to men - as well it should be. They do not always know exactly what behavior can bring a charge and they think mere offensiveness can precipitate one - but they also know men can be boors and protect their daughters from them.
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
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05:33 PM on 11/01/2011
as promised - I certainly did not mean to convey in anyway that because the matter was settled one should assume that it is fluff. Quite the contrary, my point is that no inference can be drawn one way or the other from the fact that it was settled. It would be just as wrong to conclude the claim was baseless or false as to conclude that Mr. Cain was guilty. Defendants in sexual harassment cases may want to settle the cases and avoid public embarrassment if the claims are false or if they are true. The claimant may want to settle a perfectly valid claim for the same reason. I certainly had no intention of minimizing claims of sexual harassment as the very first sentence of my article states.
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Querent
I say the things that have to be said.
07:44 PM on 11/01/2011
Of course you didn't. Your words are not equivocal at all. There are certain people who are so weak-minded and uneducated that they are incapable of distinguishing between "X does not prove Y" and "X disproves Y". Unfortunately.
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JohnFromCensornati
Free your mind and your ass will follow.
02:47 PM on 11/01/2011
"If he is not guilty of sexual harassment, the fact that it was alleged against him and settled should play no part in his candidacy."

How do you propose that we decide if he was guilty or not?
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
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05:37 PM on 11/01/2011
JohnFromCensornati - From the facts as i am sure they will be uncovered and developed and even, as many of the comments have suggested, from his answers (or the lack of them). The point I have tried to make is that a person charged with sexual harassment would be anxious to settle the matter and avoid publicity if the charges were true OR false. He may well be guilty, but a settlement doesn't prove it one way or the other.
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JohnFromCensornati
Free your mind and your ass will follow.
08:39 AM on 11/02/2011
"From the facts as i am sure they will be uncovered"

Wow. I think that "facts" will be in short supply.
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Dan Stewart
08:35 PM on 11/01/2011
The law favors settlement.   The basic legal analysis in such cases is this:

How much does it cost to settle? vs.  What it cost to fight? What are the chances of winning? And, what happens if we lose?

If the cost of settlement is less than the cost of fighting, one obviously settles, irrespective of guilt or innocence (actually, in civil proceedings is liable or not liable).

In a settlement there is no legal determination made, no findings of fact, no conclusions of law -- therefore, there simply no way for us to know thru the settlement whether the allegations of sexual harassment are true of false.

It should also be acknowledged, as anyone who has employed others know, that employees frequently raise false allegations against employers to get better parting deals.  If anything, to settle sexual harassment claims for three months salary suggests thread allegations.
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
Retired after serving 17 years on the federal cour
10:58 PM on 11/01/2011
Dan - I agree about the dynamics of settlements. In this type of case there is the added element that both sides prefer to avoid a public airing---probably the person charged more than the alleged victim, but avoiding publicity is usually an incentive for both parties.