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Judge H. Lee Sarokin

Judge H. Lee Sarokin

Posted: August 5, 2010 01:39 AM

I do not know whether or not the comparison is apt. The suffering of the victims and families of child molestation may not compare with those of 9/11, but some claim the suffering is equal. The point, however, is that if we prohibit religious buildings because of the dastardly acts of some members of that religion, then no religious building could ever be erected.

I certainly recognize and respect the opposition to the Cordoba Center at that particular site at this particular time, but we must distinguish between the right to protest and the right to prohibit. Both sides in this dispute point to the symbolism of this structure at Ground Zero (although, in truth, it appears to be near, rather than at Ground Zero). In my mind, that issue should be resolved by asking what the decision says about our nation.

Denying the structure says that we value anger and revenge and wish to punish the whole for the acts of a few. Allowing it says that we value our commitment to religious freedom and that we do not condemn an entire religion for the acts of some of its members. Denial demeans us. Permission distinguishes us.


 
 
 
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thinkingwomanmillstone
great, green, globs of greasy grimey GOPerspeak.
07:28 PM on 08/06/2010
Rights are guaranteed so that they might be observed in difficult times not just easy times. Isn't that the whole point of a written constitution so that we might not use emotion or popularity to change the rules of the game....especially to foster political gain. You stated the case well and clearly, Judge.
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Freesia2
I'm nicer than I appear in print. :-)
11:33 PM on 08/06/2010
You put that very well. They're changing the rules - and that's what the constitution is there to protect us again.

I'm kind of amazed at some of the people going along with it and changing their own purported or time honored reputations. None more so than the ADL. That one really shocked me.
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DarianSentient
Omnium Bonum Est
04:30 AM on 08/06/2010
Wonderfully concise. So many conflicts of this sort could be settled by simple expedient of imagining the shoe on the other foot, but that invariably seems to be asking a little too much of the integrity and courage of the hateful. I think being able to honestly assess the tragedy of September 11th as being ultimately a product of men - and not of the overarching justification those men chose to use for their actions - and accepting the construction of this building as a sign that we recognise the difference between those men and their supposed faith would be the greatest possible sign of strength our country could display.
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
Retired after serving 17 years on the federal cour
11:40 AM on 08/06/2010
Darian - Thank you. I certainly agree. We should not condemn the whole faith for the acts of a few.
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Freesia2
I'm nicer than I appear in print. :-)
11:56 AM on 08/06/2010
Yes. It shows strength.

Because wasn't the ultimate goal of the 9/11 m@rderers to undo our American way of life? And isn't that why we determined to put up another tall building in the exact same spot as almost a (pardon the expression) "one fingered salute" to tell them that they would allow no such thing? And letting this mosque be build is just one more squared shoulder. Us being more "us" than ever just to show them. For the xenophobes and the bigots - I would think that they'd celebrate that.

It would speak to our guts and our decency to not allow that horrible event to cause us to turn around and punish the innocent members of a faith as though we were as insular and oppressive as Al Qaeda. It shows, in no uncertain terms, that we beat them. Or to borrow the phrase of one of the more ignorant opponents, Sarah Palin, "They lose - we win".

This is America. I'm proud of it. For being who we are. History has time and again presented us with every reason to abandon our basic principles. 9/11 is a particularly horrifying example - but it's really not different at its core. That's when you determine more than ever to hang on to your principles and your foundation. You want it more. You demand it more.
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Doug Watt
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12:39 AM on 08/06/2010
I have no problem with the Cordoba Center at all.

Tearing down St. Patrick's Cathedral because of the millions of children molested over hundreds of years by the Catholic church is a great idea.
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
Retired after serving 17 years on the federal cour
11:43 AM on 08/06/2010
Doug Watt - Tearing down St Patrick's was not exactly my point, but if we tore down religious buildings because of the wrongs that have been done by some in the name of or on behalf of religion, none would remain standing.
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Doug Watt
Not ready for 2012
02:25 PM on 08/06/2010
I agree none would remain standing and I'm not so sure that would be a bad thing given all the war and hatred that is the product of religion.

I apologize for hijacking your point and I certainly agree that the mosque has every right to be there. But your post reminded me that the abuses of children by priests is institutionalized in the Catholic church and so it would be a good thing to eliminate a place where children are set up for abuse.
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as promised
Educ yourself re David Barton & his followers
09:10 AM on 08/05/2010
I always look forward to your contributions, Judge. I'm not sure that the St. Patricks reference is necessary in order to make the point. Once I gathered that the intended building was actually "NEAR", not "AT" Ground Zero (which, by the way, took a while as it is only recently that there has been emphasis on the distinction and the actual location).
In your last paragraph you say "Denying the structure says that we value anger and revenge",etc. I am sorry to say there is a large segment of the population that certainly does appear to value anger and revenge over any rights to religious freedom. Anger and revenge *are* rights to some and it's both a mask and an overplayed card.
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
Retired after serving 17 years on the federal cour
12:02 PM on 08/05/2010
as promised -Thank you. I wasn't certain about the reference to the Church either, but I wanted to demonstrate how unfair and wrong it would be to condemn an entire religion because of the acts of a few.I agree that fear and anger are being used to stir up the country---mainly for political gain.
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as promised
Educ yourself re David Barton & his followers
12:43 PM on 08/05/2010
You forgot profiteering and ratings. Every day there are people tuning in their TVs and car radios just waiting to be told exactly what they *should* be irate about. Obscure morsels and references turned into "topics" designed to incite paranoia and rage, whether they be Obama-isms, immigrants, Sharia Law, big government, mosques, no matter - it's something new every day to keep them on the hook. It's scary. How much anger and rage can a person carry? Then they congregate with other like-minded and over-fueled people.... something's gotta give and it's not going to be pretty. I am afraid.
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06:31 AM on 08/05/2010
To the point and an apt comparison, Judge Sarokin. I do enjoy your articles. Keep up the good work.
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
Retired after serving 17 years on the federal cour
12:02 PM on 08/05/2010
Angelaaaa - Thanks so much
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Soulmentor
"To thine own self be true...."
03:48 AM on 08/05/2010
Direct, succinct and SO right. Who could add more.
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
Retired after serving 17 years on the federal cour
12:03 PM on 08/05/2010
Soulmentor - Thanks
02:40 AM on 08/05/2010
Judge H. Lee Sarokin
Bravo.
Once again, you are the voice of reason and wisdom. I always look forward to your posts.
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
Retired after serving 17 years on the federal cour
12:05 PM on 08/05/2010
JusteGirl - Thanks---pleased to know that someone is listening---tough to overcome the voices of fear and anger out there.
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Freesia2
I'm nicer than I appear in print. :-)
11:58 AM on 08/06/2010
Me too. Always an interesting perspective.
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
Retired after serving 17 years on the federal cour
06:57 PM on 08/06/2010
Freesia2 - As is yours.