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Judith E. Schaeffer

Judith E. Schaeffer

Posted: December 3, 2010 09:19 AM

Scroll down for background and preview of what to expect.

Marriage equality for same-sex couples will be front and center this Monday, December 6, as the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco hears oral argument in the appeal of the federal District Court ruling striking down California's infamous Proposition 8, a ballot measure that amended the state Constitution to prohibit same-sex couples from marrying. The argument will be broadcast live on C-SPAN starting at 1pm Eastern/10am Pacific. My organization, Constitutional Accountability Center (CAC), has filed a friend of the court brief in this case in support of the ruling invalidating Prop 8, and my colleague Elizabeth Wydra (CAC's Chief Counsel) and I will be "live blogging" the argument right here on Huffington Post as soon as things get underway. Whether or not you can get to a TV, we hope you'll join us on Monday, as we discuss the proceedings, live. For now, here's a short preview of the case and what to expect during the argument.

The case itself, Perry v. Schwarzenegger, was brought by interesting legal bedfellows -- Ted Olson and David Boies - who famously squared off against each other in Bush v. Gore and have since joined forces to represent the same-sex couples who have challenged Prop 8. (We expect that both Olson and Boies -- two of the country's best appellate advocates -- will be sharing argument time on Monday.) For gay men and lesbians, the stakes in Perry could not be higher. Unlike other marriage cases that have been decided under state Constitutions and thus did not present issues of federal law that could be heard by the U.S. Supreme Court, at issue in Perry is whether the denial of marriage equality violates the U.S. Constitution. In August, District Judge Vaughn Walker, after a full trial on the merits, held that it does, and struck down Prop 8 as a violation of the equal protection and due process rights of same-sex couples under the Constitution's 14th Amendment. This means that if the Ninth Circuit rules on this issue one way or the other, the case could be headed to the Supreme Court.

But the Ninth Circuit may not even reach the merits, given a legal doctrine known as "standing," which in the context of this appeal would typically require those seeking to overturn Judge Walker's ruling to show that they would be harmed by it. The state of California declined to defend Prop 8, and its proponents intervened in the case in order to provide a defense. Thus, as a threshold matter, the Ninth Circuit will need to decide whether the sponsors of a ballot measure have the requisite "standing" to pursue an appeal of a ruling holding that the measure is unconstitutional.

The Court of Appeals has already indicated it intends to give lengthy consideration on Monday to all of these issues. In fact, before you tune in, be sure you've had a good meal. As oral arguments go, this one will be a marathon: the court has allotted a full two hours to hear the case, more than double the Ninth Circuit's usual argument time of 20 to 40 minutes per case. The first hour will be devoted to the issue of "standing," and the second to the merits of Judge Walker's ruling. Undoubtedly, unless you are a legal geek, you may not find the first hour of Monday's oral argument as fascinating as the second, but Elizabeth and I will do our best to liven it up.

Once we get to the second hour, expect to hear Prop 8 's supporters use the word "procreation" repeatedly -- their main argument is that prohibiting same-sex couples from marrying is rationally related to the state's interest in "responsible procreation and childrearing." (If that makes no sense to you, you aren't alone; it made none to Judge Walker.) For their part, Prop 8's opponents will be focused on "equality," and the fact that Prop 8 discriminatorily denies gay men and lesbians the right to marry, in violation of the 14th Amendment. Indeed, as we demonstrated in CAC's amicus brief, the Framers of the 14th Amendment considered the right to marry the person of one's choice to be a fundamental right, fully protected by that Amendment's Equal Protection Clause -- a right the Supreme Court finally vindicated for interracial couples in 1967, in the landmark case Loving v. Virginia.

With marriage equality hanging in the balance for same-sex couples, don't miss the chance to witness history in the making. We hope to see you right back here on Monday at 1pm Eastern/10am Pacific!

 

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MsMcgee
04:43 PM on 12/05/2010
I say they’ll fail on standing. What standing could they possibly have to blatantly discriminate against an entire group of American citizens based solely on their bigoted dislike of the individual’s sexual orientation? They cannot claim the right to deny anyone equal rights under the 14th Amendment just because they don’t care for someone else’s lifestyle. A lifestyle that doesn’t have Squat to do with them!

And they can But….But….But… till the cows come home, or all the way to the SCOTUS, just as Loving v Virginia did.

I agree, history will be made here.
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Awake-and-Sing
named after a great play written by Clifford Odets
03:44 PM on 12/06/2010
Considering the makeup of the current Supreme Court, I am comfortable with them failing on standing and this case going no further for now.

It is still precedent setting.
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Mik McAllister
06:50 AM on 12/04/2010
Don't worry, the right has already determined that the Ninth Circuit has no real authority in the case.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=40364

Their first objection to the "Ninth Circus" as they call it, is that the court "stacked the deck in naming a three judge panel to hear this appeal".

That's right, they are not saying the court appointed the *wrong* three judges. The court was wrong by appointing three judges, period.

Rules are for other people, obviously, not for the right. The Circuit Court should have suspended all rules regarding appeals and... well, we're not sure what they should have done, but they should have done *something* different.
08:16 PM on 12/04/2010
That snarky little piece was by Roger Hedgecock, once a mayor of San Diego until he lost his job after being convicted of 12 counts of perjury. Though the convictions were later set aside, he was unable to resurrect his political career.

Never does the Snark acknowledge that the issue before the court is the constitutionality of Prop 8, not its popularity with voters.
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Mik McAllister
06:42 AM on 12/05/2010
Thank you for your information.

I find it difficult to keep up with the names and histories of all the right's drones.
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01:29 AM on 12/04/2010
That would be great if they rule in favor of same sex marriage.
10:07 PM on 12/03/2010
I have high hope and lots of faith that when this case reaches the Supreme Court they will rule that states have the right to determine what constitutes the legal definition of marriage.
02:54 PM on 12/06/2010
How silly, but you might be onto something. As you drove across the county, you'd either be married or not -- depending upon the state you happened to be in. Atlanta: married, New Orleans: single, Salt Lake: married, Las Vegas: single.

The courts and states should have never become involved with a religious concern. The law should stick to partnership and contractual issues, and the church should stick to its little rite.
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Flip75
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03:08 PM on 12/08/2010
I have high hope and lots of faith that when this case reaches the Supreme Court they will rule that all states must recognize marriage in the same way as the federal government does. Leaving it up to the states should not be an option - there's a reason we have the 14th amendment.
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Ioan Lightoller
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05:15 PM on 12/03/2010
If the case of the pro-Prop H8 crowd is as weak as the one they presented to Judge Walker, hopefully they will be laughed out of court. They can't even say WHY marriage equality is harmful, just that it is. I kid you not. When the judge asked for specific examples of what harm it would do, the counsel for the Prop H8 side admitted that he couldn't think of any.
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Amakar
02:44 PM on 12/04/2010
Also, to add to their folly:

Their procreation argument is a flimsy reason to advocate for straight marriage. Yet they do not link it to why this is even related to gay marriage.

Do they assume that gay people will get a straight marriage just because they need a marriage?

Their arguments do not address the fact that gay and straight marriage can coexist. There is no conflict between the two.
07:55 PM on 12/04/2010
I think the "procreationists" haven't noticed that one of the couples has children.
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Dan Jighter
04:33 PM on 12/04/2010
Agreed. The side with virtually no expert witnesses and the "I don't know" defense ought not be successful upon repeal. The facts of the case simply don't justify it. The only way they should possibly win is via conservative judicial activism or if somehow they can present a much stronger case than they did before Judge Walker.
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ProudLiberalDan
Standing up an fighting conservatives since 1987
03:46 PM on 12/03/2010
I've got a feeling that they won't be able to show standing and the case will just be dismissed.
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Awake-and-Sing
named after a great play written by Clifford Odets
03:38 PM on 12/06/2010
Agreed. And considering the makeup of the current Supreme Court, I'd be happy with that for now.
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Jdaddy1951
03:00 PM on 12/03/2010
Sorry --- the "procreation" argument is bogus. If "procreation" were a requirement, most elderly widows and widowers would not be allowed to get married. These haters just don't think their arguments against same-sex marriage all the way through.
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Anne Johnson
Fairly Unbalanced
11:46 AM on 12/04/2010
Not to mention that if being married were somehow a prequisite for fertility, there would be a lot less people in the world.
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Jdaddy1951
03:18 PM on 12/07/2010
Haters are not known for rationality --- and this is the second time I've tried to post something. Is there a hater among the HuffPo moderators who's interfering with these posts?
12:53 AM on 12/07/2010
Agreed; if the "procreation" argument were valid, couples would have to have fertility tests before getting married.

No marriages for old people, women with hysterectomies, men with low motility, . . . and so on and so forth.
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Jdaddy1951
06:41 AM on 12/07/2010
Actually, the haters probably don't want marriage for any of those people anyway --- all they care about is procreation and telling other people what they can't do.
02:43 PM on 12/03/2010
There is a new film in the works about Richard and Mildred Loving. You can see clips here:
http://kck.st/hXMKWj
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