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How the U.S. Education System Looks to a Leading Expert Abroad

Posted: 05/11/11 12:45 PM ET

I recently had a chance to ask the OECD's Andreas Schleicher, an expert on educational systems around the world, what he makes of the current push for reform in American public education.

Q: The PISA results make clear that U.S. students aren't performing particularly well compared to their peers in many other countries. What do you think are the most compelling reasons for this poor performance?

A: This is always hard to establish. The most frequently cited explanations -- social disadvantage, poverty, immigration -- do not stand up to scientific scrutiny. You will find my best take towards an explanation in Chapter 11 of our report "Strong Performers and Successful Reformers in Education: Lessons from PISA for the United States."

2011-05-11-andreas.jpgQ: Imagine U.S. President Barack Obama or Education Secretary Arne Duncan asked you for two or three recommendations that would help the U.S. radically transform -- and improve -- its educational system. What recommendations might you give them?

A: Some of the things very high on my list have already been dealt with, such as the establishment of far more rigorous, universal and internationally benchmarked educational standards. The challenge here will be policy implementation, making sure that the common core standards translate into instructional systems, instructional practices and student learning -- intended, implemented and achieved -- and that they begin to count for students, teachers and schools. If you look at the highest-performing systems, you see that everyone knows what is required to get a given qualification, both in terms of the content studied and the level of performance needed to earn it. Students cannot go on to the next stage -- be it in work or in further education -- unless they show that they are qualified to do so. They know what they have to do to realize their dream, and they put in the work that is needed to do it.

In other areas, the U.S. needs, in my view, to make significantly more headway, particularly when it comes to teachers and school principals. Put simply, the quality of an education system cannot exceed the quality of its teachers and principals, and the quality of teachers cannot exceed the quality of teacher selection, teacher development and teacher evaluation. Just like companies, high-quality school systems pay attention to how they select and train their staff. They watch how they improve the performance of those who are struggling; how they structure teachers' pay packets; and how they reward their best teachers. They provide an environment in which teachers work together to frame good practice. That is where teachers conduct field-based research to confirm or disprove the approaches they develop, and they judge their colleagues by the degree to which they use these practices in their classrooms. What the U.S. misses, in my view, is substantial professional autonomy among teachers within a collaborative culture.

An impressive outcome of world-class education systems is perhaps that they deliver high-quality learning consistently across the entire education system so that every student benefits from excellent learning opportunities. To achieve this, they invest educational resources where they can make most of a difference, they attract the most talented teachers into the most challenging classrooms, and they establish effective spending choices that prioritize the quality of teachers. Shanghai in China is a great example of this. The U.S. is one of the few systems where you see just the reverse.

Of course, you can make this list much longer, but I think these are three key areas, and ones in which federal policies can make a huge difference.

Q: What's your take on the American accountability system in public education?

A: In short, in my view the U.S. needs to strike a different balance between vertical and lateral accountability. Let me explain this. When you could still assume that what you learn in school would last for a lifetime, teaching content and routine cognitive skills was at the center of education. Today, where you can access content on Google, where routine cognitive skills are being digitized or outsourced, and where jobs are changing rapidly, education systems need to enable people to become lifelong learners, to manage complex ways of thinking and complex ways of working that computers can't take over easily. That requires a very different caliber of teachers. When teaching was about explaining prefabricated content, you could tolerate low teacher quality. And when teacher quality was low, governments tended to tell their teachers exactly what to do and exactly how they wanted it done, using prescriptive methods of administrative control and vertical systems of accountability.

What you see in the most advanced systems now is that they have made teaching a profession of high-level knowledge workers, and that --not higher salaries -- is what makes teaching so attractive in countries as different as Finland, Japan and Singapore. But the issue is that people who see themselves as candidates for the profession are not attracted by schools organized like an assembly line, with teachers working as interchangeable widgets. You therefore see a very different work organization in high-performing systems, with the status, professional autonomy, and high-quality education that go with professional work, with effective systems of teacher evaluation and with differentiated career paths for teachers. By implication, you see much more investment in helping teachers look outward to the next teacher, the next school, than just looking upwards to the next level in the bureaucracy. But, on the positive side, Race to the Top has introduced a major culture change in this respect, another initiative of the federal government that I think has been very powerful.

Q: Do you think investing heavily in small classes -- as the U.S. has done in the last 15 years -- is a smart move? Why or why not?

A: Everything else equal, smaller classes are obviously better than larger classes. But that is not a meaningful question. You can spend your money only once and that means you need to make trade-offs between better salaries, more professional development, longer student-learning days, more individualized learning opportunities and smaller classes. If you look at it that way, you see that most high-performing education systems have made very different spending choices than the U.S., and they have generally favored better teachers over smaller classes.

Q: You speak five languages: German, English, Italian, French and Spanish. How did that come about? And what's your sense of why so few Americans speak multiple languages? How would you sell the importance of foreign-language learning to a skeptical U.S. audience?

A: Actually, my French and Spanish are still quite limited. I guess selling foreign languages to an English-speaking country is hard. Why would you learn another language when everyone else speaks yours?

 
I recently had a chance to ask the OECD's Andreas Schleicher, an expert on educational systems around the world, what he makes of the current push for reform in American public education. Q: The PISA...
I recently had a chance to ask the OECD's Andreas Schleicher, an expert on educational systems around the world, what he makes of the current push for reform in American public education. Q: The PISA...
 
 
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07:49 PM on 05/16/2011
From the PISA report cited above:

"For that reason, examinations in most of the countries described in this volume rely little, if at all, on multiplechoice computer-scored tests, which educators in these countries believe cannot properly measure higher-order thinking skills. Instead, they mostly use essay-type responses on their timed examinations and also factor into the grade the pieces of work that could not possibly be produced in a timed examination. Many nations also use oral examinations."

I suspect that even when states adopt the Common Core standards, they will be tested by filling in bubbles. California used to have a great exam (Golden State Exam) with a multiple choice and a free response section. It was cut due to budget constraints.
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07:22 PM on 05/16/2011
I think the culture of teaching Schleicher describes is appealing. Though, I think being completely standards driven takes a toll on innovation. While performing well on the PISA is one measure, I think things like innovation in these high performing countries also needs to be considered. The OECD is afterall an economic organization and there are other factors besides a test score that must be taken into consideration when evaluating the future productivity and contributions of our citizens.
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06:17 PM on 05/15/2011
I think we have been too soft on teaching math and science to our children. Calculus and physics are not hard concepts and we only rob people of true understanding by giving half-explained concepts as to how the natural world works.

I also think we should bring back vocational classes, not everyone is cut out for college and even the ones who are could still benefit from knowing who to work with their hands.
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05:13 PM on 05/14/2011
Now we have foreign businessmen telling us how to improve standards and denying the effect of poverty on standardized test results. Dewey would be incensed. Improving how education is mechanized will not lead to good education. Training workers for the utilization of international corporations is a bad goal. We should be educating students to become happy creative moral beings - not some needed cog in a giant international economic cooperation scheme.
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11:28 AM on 05/14/2011
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07:00 AM on 05/14/2011
Does educational funding hinder, enhance or do nothing with respect to the primary insight above? I am referring to the need for what the interviewee calls "lateral accountability" along with internationalized benchmarking. The International Association of University Presidents (IAUP) is one example that American universities regularly avoid and look down upon, to their own demise.

Their benchmarking and that of the EU are important, whereas accreditation in the US is decentralized and in the hands of gangs of academics. In terms of budget, we can say that top-down education that merely manages things in order to pay the bills simply cannot perform at this higher level and develop an organizational culture that fosters teacher innovation.

Dr. Donald Persons
Faculty of Education
Silpakorn University
Thailand
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researcher
01:17 AM on 05/14/2011
any nation that can afford mega trillions for its on going wars and limits education funding is an empire in rapid decline. not that money is the answer just a point about the reality of america culture.
11:59 PM on 05/13/2011
Hey buddy-Finland is heavily unionized and allows teachers great freedom. Poverty doesn't matter-go teach in an urban school first and then tell teachers how to improve, bucko.
03:38 PM on 05/14/2011
And Hong Kong and Singapore are not unionized, so I don't see your point.
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davidwees
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12:59 AM on 05/15/2011
The point is, unionization is clearly not the problem if school systems can be highly successful and unionized.
11:53 PM on 05/13/2011
I encourage everyone to read the end of the OECD Report "Lessons from PISA for the United States" linked in this article. It describes a number of the education systems outside the US. Reading what Shanghai was able to accomplish in such a short period of time makes it crystal clear to me how we live in an empire in decline and rightfully so!
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07:30 PM on 05/16/2011
I am inspired by these lesson and many make sense to me. I have also read articles about the downside of a Shanghai education - namely that its students lack in creativity. I think as Americans we are innovators, self-invention and creativity is in our dna, and our education system needs to provide room to experience and develop those skills. Not all aspects of high performing nations translate to our cultural needs.
02:41 PM on 05/17/2011
If you want to see innovation, I suggest you go visit Shanghai and Hong Kong, both of which make our cities look ancient in comparison.

The notion of Chinese students lacking creativity has absolutely no basis. I suggest you closely inspect the top graduate schools for math, physics or chemistry and you will see that American students are in the minority. I would like to add that if admissions was based on achievement and did not take into account nationality its doubtful that American students would make up 10% of the graduate school classes in these subjects.
zSpin2001
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10:39 PM on 05/13/2011
Interesting commentary. I would wager that we will not follow in any others footsteps because we can get over the idea that other countries are going better than we are in the United States. Instead of trying to figure out what the problem is and solve it similarly, we seek to blame and nullify like a sporting event. E.g.,those countries are like socialist countries aren't they?
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04:11 PM on 05/13/2011
The U.S. will never treat it's teachers as professionals. It will never give up the vertically managed, top down structure, telling teachers what and how to teach. It will never allow teachers the time for collaboration or professional development because it doesn't not see the value in it. If you're not actively teaching, you're wasting your time. This is a direct reflection of the business models in this country (and their failures) and is why the business driven "reforms" being pushed in this country will fail.
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01:15 AM on 05/14/2011
very well stated. we are still stuck with skinnerisms and taylorisms mangement culture. even to the end we will stick with it. ie third world here we come ready or not and americans are not about to change in fact they want more of the same hoping for different results. ie insanity defined.

as far as business models see rhee on that one. :-)
03:41 PM on 05/14/2011
One could also argue that in order to be treated like professionals, you must act one a professional. To some extent the US has gione with the "quantity over quality" with teachers.
03:32 PM on 05/13/2011
From the Study: So what is the lesson to be learned? if a country seeks better education performance, it is incumbent on the political and social leaders to persuade the citizens of that country to make the choices needed to show that it values education more than other areas of national interest.

How true. Our country idolizes such trivial things such as football heroes, celebrity dirt and reality television that we lost the focus of how important an education is to the well-being of our country.
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dmgoss
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11:10 AM on 05/14/2011
So true. I was just reading an article in the Guardian about the decline of the British intellectual, and one point highlighted a general lack of cultural respect for such a person in the UK, which I thought agreed precisely with a public preference for the same types of intellectually degrading mind candy that creates a similar lack of interest in the world of the mind here in the US: sports, celebrity gossip, gadget worship, and so on.

For whatever reason, we also do not respect that type of erudition here, and it is reflected in the type and quality of our education systems, which suffer from a social and political neglect that seems largely sourced in this very rejection of the value of a finely tuned intellect in favor of easily digested pap fed to us by marketers and the entertainment industry.

I seriously doubt any of the reforms this man suggests will ever be instituted here, particularly as his most logical suggestion--teachers working in groups to develop syllabi--is not appropriate in the face of our political class's attitude on power and control. In this case, it has less to do with respect for the capabilities of those whose job it is to teach, and more with who has the right to decide what is taught in order to control ideology in the hopes of satisfying party extremists.
08:47 PM on 05/14/2011
There is no profit for large corporations if teachers are allowed autonomy.