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Kamran Pasha

Kamran Pasha

Posted: July 12, 2009 02:40 PM

Lifting the Veil on the Debate over Veils

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I returned last night from a week in France where a debate is raging over whether Muslim women should be permitted to wear the burqa, the traditional Middle Eastern garment that covers not only the whole body, but the face as well. President Nicholas Sarkozy unleashed a firestorm of controversy with his recent call for a ban against the veil, with supporters calling it a necessary stance to protect women's rights, and opponents decrying the proclamation as racist and symbolic of Europe's bigotry towards its Muslim population.

But what is really going on here? Why does a simple choice of women's attire inspire such fierce emotion? What is it about the veil that brings out such a visceral response? The issue that is not being examined in this debate is one that is perhaps too close for comfort, too sensitive to examine in a post-modern world where assumptions about male and female identities are wrapped in decades of political ideology. The question is not about banning efforts by Muslim men to forcibly wrap women in burqas against their will. The question is over whether Muslim women who freely choose to don the veil should be legally prevented from doing so.

So the real question beneath the debate, the question that is too troubling to ask aloud, is whether there is something about the veil that is actually attractive to some women, and what that means for Western sacred cows about potential differences in masculine and feminine psychology.

I have been forced to look deeply into the issues of masculine and feminine dynamics in recent days. The publication of my novel, Mother of the Believers, which tells the birth of Islam from the perspective of Prophet Muhammad's wife Aisha, has pulled me into the heart of modern discussions regarding the role of women in Islam. On my book tour through the United States, I have found myself at the center of impassioned arguments about women's rights in the Islamic world and the intention behind ancient traditions such as veiling.

I have often found myself standing silent as women in the audience argue the issues among themselves with great passion and intensity. My role as an observer among these debates has allowed me to come to certain perceptions that might surprise both men and women used to speaking of women's rights in the language of modern feminism. And the most startling perception, certainly for me, is that for many women, power is not defined in masculine terms of leadership over others, but in terms of social identity. And for many women, how their bodies are perceived by others is deeply central to their sense of who they are and their power over the world. And I have learned that for some women, the veil is actually a representation of an ancient kind of power, one that is rarely acknowledged in polite circles today - the power of feminine mystique.

Before I wade further into the dangerous waters of post-feminist social critique, I would like to acknowledge a point that opponents of the burqa have made - that the veil is not an Islamic religious requirement. They are correct. The veil predates Islam and was actually invented by Byzantine Christians and subsequently adopted by Zoroastrian Persians, long before Muslims appeared on the scene. In fact, the ironic social origin of the veil is that it was once used as a mark of power, not oppression.

Wealthy Christian women wore veils as a sign of high social status and nobility, while women who were unveiled in Byzantine culture were denigrated as low class, and indeed prostitutes in Byzantium would go about unveiled as a means of advertising their wares. "Respectable" Christian women believed that showing their beauty to all and sundry was cheap and demeaning. This Christian social tradition was not widespread in pre-Islamic Arabia. Like their Semitic sisters among Jews, Arab women would often wear headscarves, but face veiling was uncommon.

As I discuss in my novel, the only women that were required to be veiled in the early days of Islam were the wives of Prophet Muhammad, known in the Qur'an as "Mothers of the Believers." Their role was to serve as the spiritual matrons of the Muslim community, and as a result they were required to live and dress differently from other women to designate their status. According to early historical sources, the veil was introduced for the Mothers after the the Prophet's enemies taunted them and subjected them to demeaning slurs.

The triggering incident (which I recount in my novel) occurred when Aisha, a beautiful and charismatic woman, was being too forward at a social gathering, leading men at the event to ogle her and speak in demeaning terms about a woman they were supposed to revere as a spiritual guide. Shortly thereafter, the Qur'an commanded the Mothers to speak to men "through a curtain" so that their dignity would be preserved and harassment minimized.

This unusual requirement of veiling remained limited to the Mothers of the Believers and was not extended to the entire Muslim community. After Prophet Muhammad's death, the Muslims conquered the neighboring Byzantine and Persian empires, where they first encountered widespread veiling among the upper classes. The egalitarian Arabs were offended by the social hierarchies of their conquered subjects, and Muslim leaders began to encourage veiling across every social spectrum to neutralize the haughty pretenses of aristocracy. So the mass introduction of the veil in the Middle East was originally an effort at elevating lower classes and defusing the privileges of the wealthy. While hard to imagine today, the veil was actually tool of social progress in a world with very different values.

So the critics of burqas are only partially correct - the veil is not Islamic in origin, but was definitely used by Muslims as a means of social engineering in the early days of the religion. Flash forward to the 21st century, where the veil no longer holds the same meaning as it did for Byzantine Christians. Today the veil is perceived by many in the West in opposite terms from its social origins, as a sign of oppression rather than nobility. And thus we come to the debate raging in France and much of Europe over whether the veil should be banished from the public sphere.

But the question then arises as to why Muslim women in free and open societies choose to don the veil in the first place. Certainly for some women, it is the result of social pressure from family members, and so their choice in the matter is not truly free. But in my talks with Muslim women, I was intrigued to hear stories from converts who have chosen to don the burqa despite strong social pressure from family and friends against it.

For these women, the veil represents something that is never raised in the modern debate. It represents an embrace of mystery. A reclamation of feminine mystique. An embrace of an age-old belief that less is more, that the power of the feminine is heightened by the allure of the unseen. Throughout human history, poets have written of love sparked just by seeing a glimpse of a woman's eyes. The veil has often been the ultimate symbol of feminine coyness that activates masculine desire, the quest for the hidden pearl that sparks the dance of Eros. For some women throughout history, the veil has been a symbol of femininity on a deeply primordial level.

There is a strange duality to Western attitudes toward women's liberation. Women are encouraged to pursue and master traditionally male roles in the worlds of business and politics. And yet they are also valued primarily for their physical looks and encouraged to display their charms at every opportunity. And so a strange schizophrenia has set in, where women are encouraged to be masculine in their ambitions while pressured to flaunt their feminine sexuality in public. Carla Bruni, the First Lady of France, is held up as an archetype of the empowered European woman, and is widely admired in the press for her beauty and style. But her intelligence and political savvy are rarely mentioned as assets.

The Muslim argument for the value of modest dress, whether it be the burqa or the less-restrictive hijab (headscarf) has always centered on a critique of the demeaning attitudes of the West toward women's bodies. As the covers of popular magazines from Cosmopolitan (for women) to Maxim (for men) reveal, women's social value in the West is determined by the size of their breasts, the beauty of their curves, the commoditization of their flesh. The end result has been a society in which women struggle with their self-esteem due to their perceived attractiveness. Eating disorders among women are commonplace, and even teenage girls feel pressured to get breast implants to increase their social value. Muslim women who choose to don modest dress say they are making a feminist stance against this cheapening of their bodies by modern culture. For them, wearing modest dress is the contemporary equivalent of burning their bras.

Undoubtedly others would disagree. But then we face the crux of the problem - is it the place of the state to define for women what values they should have? How they should see themselves, their clothes and their bodies? Even if the French are able to successfully enact a ban on the burqa, the attitudes behind the veil will not go away. The argument that the veil serves as an automatic barrier to Muslim women achieving leadership positions in business and politics is false. In my novel, I demonstrate how the Prophet's wife Aisha, was able to become a politician, a scholar, a poet and a military commander - all while donning the veil. Muslim women from the Egyptian queen Shagrat al-Dur to the Mughal empress Nur Jahan have ruled nations from behind a veil. The burqa is not an automatic barrier to success in the public sphere for women. But more importantly, those women who have no desire to embark on such professions will not be coerced into doing so by regulating how they choose to cover their bodies.

It appears that some opponents of the the veil are actually more upset about the choice many women make to continue in traditional lifestyles even though other opportunities are available to them. But many women have no desire to embrace traditionally masculine ambitions, and will not do so no matter how much others try to force them to change. And efforts to compel Muslim women will only be met by anger and resentment. If some women are required by the state to dress in a fashion they find too revealing, even demeaning, there will only be a calcification of rebellion, a hardening of resistance to social control. The unrest that Europe faces with its Muslim population will only increase in intensity. As demographics change, as Europe inevitably moves toward Muslim social prominence, the tensions between the self-proclaimed arbiters of identity and their unwilling subjects will explode.

With all that said, here are my personal opinions on the matter, for whatever they are worth. I am a believer that every society has a right to regulate conduct within its borders, including how people are dressed. France has as much right to ban the burqa as Iran has to require it. But I believe that people should be honest about their motivations in either case. In both instances, such rules are the instruments of control freaks attempting to tell women how to think and feel about themselves based on clothing. And in my experience, efforts to legislate thoughts always fail. As we have seen in recent years, Iranian women have been pushing for greater freedom of dress, despite decades of indoctrination by the country's clerics. At the same time, Muslim women have been pushing for the right to be left alone in Europe, to dress as they wish, despite intense social pressure to conform. The European couture police will no more be successful in compelling Muslim women to think in a certain way than have been the mullahs in the Middle East.

Specifically with regard to France, my own experience in that beautiful country (I lived in Paris for several months in 2007) leads me to believe that the controversy over the burqa is not really about women's rights. It is about preserving a certain cultural heritage from the onslaught of foreign values and perspectives. The burqa controversy is really about attempting to save a beleaguered French identity from being replaced by a new and alien social tradition that is spreading through the power of demographics. But social engineering is a poor tool to curtail the realities of reproduction. At current birth rates, Muslims will become a numerically influential community inside France within this century. The same is true for many other nations in Europe. Efforts to stem the power of Muslim culture from reshaping European identity are as pointless as trying to hold back a river with one's hands.

Of course, fear of change is understandable. But the burqa debate is just the tip of something darker, even sinister, within European culture today. It is based on a hatred of the other that arises from Europe's unacknowledged racism toward its immigrant population. This fear against Muslims has led to some truly horrifying incidents of violence in Europe. A few days ago, a pregnant Muslim woman in Germany was murdered while testifying in court against a man who had subjected her to slurs for wearing a headscarf. Marwa el-Sherbini was stabbed 18 times by the man she had accused of racist bullying. Her three-year-old son watched in horror as his mother was killed in broad daylight, inside a court of law. Marwa's husband was shot by court guards when he attempted to save her life.

This truly sickening incident has received scant media coverage in Europe, even though Marwa has become a heroine and a martyr throughout the Muslim world. The fact that Europeans have chosen to ignore the brutal murder of a woman, whose only crime was that she covered her head with a piece of cloth, reveals the real issues beneath the burqa debate. It is ultimately not about women's rights, but about power over immigrants. Marwa was no weak and submissive Muslim woman. She was highly educated, a noted athlete (she was a national handball champion in Egypt), and her husband a genetic engineer seeking his PhD. Marwa represented the future of Europe's Muslim immigrants - empowered, educated and strong. And she was butchered like an animal for having the audacity to dress differently. The fact that her death has not been a source of European soul-searching suggests that some truths are too painful to face.

The debate over Muslim dress and women's rights will continue. But it needs to be seen in a broader issue of cultural values and history. There is much that Europe, with its ancient history and traditions, can add to the melting pot of Islamic identity. And there are important things that Muslims can remind their Western neighbors, including the value of traditional masculine and feminine dynamics. By showing respect for Muslim women's choices in dress, the veil can paradoxically become an instrument to lift the cultural barriers that separate human beings from each other.

Kamran Pasha is a Hollywood filmmaker and the author of "Mother of the Believers", a novel on the birth of Islam as told by Prophet Muhammad's wife Aisha (Simon & Schuster; April 2009). For more information please visit: http://www.kamranpasha.com

 

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04:27 AM on 08/02/2009
Please look into the countless assaults on Western women by muslim men whose only offence was to be in their vincinity, before you do that soul-searching of yours. You see, unlike in Egypt, Europeans don't take to the streets as a violent mob every time a woman of ours is killed by a foreigner.
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09:26 AM on 07/19/2009
So, in arguing against the concept of hijabs and burkas as tools used by men to keep women, "in their place", the author offers examples of three women who died hundreds of years ago?

Against these examples, he compares the excesses of pop culture. Rather than seeking to compare these leaders of nations with Margaret Thatcher and Hillary Clinton, he selects anonymous pop stars and then sadly shakes his head.

Are Western societies paragons of virtue when it comes to treatment? Do Muslim societies really have lessons for the West on proper roles for men and women? Perhaps, perhaps not. But if the author really believes that, why is he not making honest comparisons?
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05:58 AM on 07/19/2009
And about that "feminine mystique" schtick, once again it presupposses and necessitates males to be the ones who "naturally" exercise power and women must beguile their way in.
11:50 AM on 07/17/2009
As author of "The Jewel of Medina," published by Beaufort Books last fall, and its sequel, "The Sword of Medina," debuting in the U.S. in October 2009, I've done quite a bit of reading on the topic of veiling. Aristocratic Byzantine women did not choose to wear the veil but were required to by their husbands to screen them from contact with other men and thus ensure paternity of their children -- another example of hegemonic practices endured, and in many cases endorsed, by women over the centuries. Also, Muhammad's revelation about the "curtain" occurred after the reception celebrating his scandalous marriage to Zaynab bint Jahsh, his adopted son's ex-wife. According to the feminist Muslim scholar Fatima Mernissi, he dropped the curtain to separate his private from his public iife. He required his wives to cover their faces because his enemies harrassed them, then claimed they didn't know their victims were married to the Prophet. The veil served as a marker to rob them of this excuse. If women need to hide from the world in this way today, we should be asking why? Is there a better path to women's empowerment, one that promotes their active engagement and not their retreat from society?
11:35 AM on 07/17/2009
As author of "The Jewel of Medina" and "The Sword of Medina," I've read quite a bit on this topic. Aristocratic Byzantine Christian women did not choose, but were required by their husbands to veil themselves in order to prevent contact with other men -- to ensure the paternity of their children. Yes, it was a mark of status, a hegemonic one such as women have endured, and in many cases endorsed, for centuries. Also, Muhammad's revelation regarding the veil followed his scandal-ridden reception after marriage to his adopted son's ex-wife, Zaynab. The "curtain," according to Fatima Mernissi, was "dropped" between Muhammad's personal life and his political at that time. He commanded his wives to cover their faces because they were being harassed by his enemies when they appeared in public. When confronted, these thugs claimed they didn't know the women were Muhammad's wives. The "veil" thus became a marker to deprive them of this excuse. Muhammad's concubine, Maryam, chose not to marry him in part because she did not want to wear the veil. http://www.authorsherryjones.com
01:35 PM on 07/14/2009
The veil should be ok in parks, playgrounds, movie theatres, shopping or duck hunting in Canada but when it comes to government buildings, schools, police headquarters, local post offices etc..... I would be more inline with safety including fire safety and would vote no.

The veil represents more than just a female power expression. It represents a tool of fundamentalist terrorists and a rebellion of existing local laws as well as political view points on capitalist societies in general.

The middle east would not allow their laws to be broken and the punishment is harsh, so I would not expect the veil to be authorized in government places in France. Any western nation for that matter.

Your not a terrorist ? Your not a political activist ? But you want to wear the veil ? Okay, put it on and trot your ass down to the theatre and watch a movie, eat popcorn I dont care but stay out of the government buildings.
10:27 AM on 07/14/2009
One more burka thing:

If protecting women and elevating their welfare and status is part of the original rationale for hiding themselves under burkas, then what is it they are being protected from?

Men.

So, if men are the problem, then why not restrict THEM?

After all, we don't all walk around dressed in chain-mail with our finger on the pepper spray, to protect us from dog bite. It's the dog owner who must leash and muzzle the dog!!!!!
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10:51 AM on 07/14/2009
Islam believes that both genders have a responsibility to behave appropriately. The Qur'an commands men to "lower their eyes" while urging women to dress in a way that preserves their dignity. But It appears that in the west, there is a politically correct stance that only one gender bears responsibility for crude sexual behavior. There is justified outcry over male sexual harassment, yet there is an unwillingness to admit that many women often dress and act in ways to intentionally excite sexual attention. The Islamic argument is that sexuality is sacred and should be kept within a committed marital bond, not used as a cheap means of humiliating others or as a tantalizing public display meant to excite lust. We are more than animals. Men and women are God's viceroys are on earth. In order for society to function, both genders have responsibilities. This is not politically correct. But it is common sense. Women who wear Islamic dress in the West tell me they do so because it is easier and more practical way to go about their lives without harassment from spiritually unevolved men than to muzzle every single idiot they meet, as you are suggesting above.
10:41 AM on 07/15/2009
How a woman is dressed is "0" excuse for a man to attack her, just as the displaying the beauty of a diamond ring is "0" excuse for a thief to break into a jewelry store display case and steal it.

I daresay women who wear Islamic dress in the West tell you, a man, what they think you most want to hear.

Men are visual creatures, moreso than women. You're correct. Science proves that. And, I also happen to agree that many human societies mis-use sex in many different ways---in the West, it's to commercialize it for selling things.

But in the East, it is still used as a commodity in and of itself. Women are treated as wealth, kind of like livestock. The wealth doesn't belong to women, though, it belongs to their men.

So, if this is about crime, don't punish the victim. Punish the criminal.

Oh, and as someone who grew up on a cattle farm, I can suggest a FAR more effective way than a muzzle for neutralizing men who by their criminal actions have proven themselves to be "spiritually unevolved" when it comes to interacting with women, no matter how they are dressed.

As a man, you probably wouldn't like it, though.
11:10 AM on 07/15/2009
I guess my previous comment was another too hot for HuffPo, so again, I'll tone it down:

1) I dress as I please, but I don't go up to strange men and rub against them, or otherwise violate their private space. I also don't give in to my urges to grab and wear other people's jewelry, nurse other people's crying babies, nor ride other people's horses. Though, I admit, I am often tempted.

2) Women who dress in purposely provocative manner will attract the attention of men. It's why they do it, whether they know it or not. As long as those men do not cross the line into criminality, what's the problem?

3) Women who wear Islamic dress in the West are likely to tell you an Islamic man with all the power whatever they think you want to hear.
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03:18 PM on 07/13/2009
Thank you for your insightful article. You have given us much to consider. It is so easy to assume that Muslim women cannot make a choice and, perhaps those of us who insist that they should not WANT to wear the Burqa, are short sighted and acting out of our own fears of the unknown. This demand seems quite sexist and oppressive.

I would not want to wear a Burqa, though I find the history and the use as a tool of power and status intriguing. I would also not want anyone to tell me what I should want to wear. I wonder if those who see it only as an oppressive tool, berate young American women who dress provocative for male attention and approval or do we let them decide and discover their own truths.

I am so sorry for Marwa el-Sherbini, her children and her husband. What horror and shame! I do wonder why there is so little outcry about this crime and tragedy especially as I read some of the vehement comments against the burqa and those who wear them. Where is the outcry against the criminal and the culture that produce him?
02:13 PM on 07/13/2009
Regardless of where one stands on the issue, I am a firm believer of 'when in Rome'. If I am expected to don some kind of covering in a Muslim country, so be it. But in Western society, we need to see a person's face. That is the cultural expectation.
If the garment's original intent was to denote nobility and 'betterness', the statement being made is that Muslim women are somehow better than Western women.
Additionally, I find it curious that the mention of feminine mystique and coyness be attributed to this apparel. Basically, we have women being judged by their appearance, whether out in front or under a shroud . . . what's the difference please? I'm not raising the argument with you, but with the women whose statements you quote.
Further, as a woman, I have always found it offensive that the intention of these garments is to prevent male arousal and attention! Are we to believe that men cannot control their impulses? Can we not see this for what it is: the imposition of the new kids on the block trying to take over the schoolyard instead of trying to make friends, fit in and eventually blend in a new facet into the group instead of using a sledgehammer? These women need to be honest about what their REAL statement is here.
10:34 AM on 07/14/2009
I totally agree, greenlee. You know, there are some Christian religious sects in the US which believe in maintaining strict separation from "the world". They live behind high walled compounds---essentially cages---from which only a few carefully selected men are allowed to occasionally emerge to do business with the outside.

So, perhaps instead of wearing their cages on their backs, these extremist Muslims will just stay behind closed doors and never leave home.

Or, perhaps they'll relocate to a country in which the norm---or the law---is to lock women into various cages or one size or another at all times.
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12:06 PM on 07/13/2009
Great article and I'll have to check out Mother of Believers. Most people have no idea about the role Aisha played in the formation of Islam. She was the author of a number of the hadiths and was a political leader with enough sway to raise and lead an army. As to the issue of the veil, I'll say a few things I've said before. France professes to be a free and open society that has an interest in protecting individual rights and thus should not take it's human rights guidance from Wahhabism so it doesn't matter what the rules are in Saudi Arabia. Anyone who complains about men not wearing the Burqa should look around and notice that it isn't really an indictment of a culture to say that men and women dress differently. It is interesting to me that people who seem to have a huge problem with men subjugating their wives/daughters by enforcing a dress code, would like to do so through subjugating women by enforcing a dress code. Both actions the message is clear, "This is your role in society, and don't break the mold."
11:53 AM on 07/13/2009
In a nutshell, NO MAN HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL A WOMAN WHAT TO DO WITH HER BODY, HER MIND OR HER CLOTHING, EVER, PERIOD. The burka is a Rag of Oppression and Brutality towards women. It symbolizes the torment women are forced to go through to more or lesser degrees, depending where they live in Muslim lands. Until Islamic nations can free themselves from the religious laws that they allow to govern themselves, in many cases to twisted and brutal designs, they shall NEVER BE FREE. There is not a religion on the planet that allows its followers to EVER TRULY BE FREE.
04:33 PM on 07/13/2009
"In a nutshell, NO MAN HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL A WOMAN WHAT TO DO WITH HER BODY, HER MIND OR HER CLOTHING, EVER, PERIOD."

So I'm guessing you disagree with Sarkozy and the male-dominated French government, then?
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04:36 PM on 07/13/2009
Islam essentially says: woman answer to God directly- NOT to men. God is the one who sets the standard for attire for Muslim women- not men.

Its Nicholas Sarkozy- a man- telling women what they can and cannot wear.

It was quite well known that in art history, men dominated the art world. Today, the artistic world also leads the fashion world. Both of these are dominated by men. Men invited the bikini as they did so many articles of clothing deemed essential to women today. This article by Pasha lightly addressed the Western duality but failed to mention the forces behind it.
Men are behind it.

What you consider to be 'freedom' many women consider to be 'enslavement'. A 'slave of fashion' is a common term. And men are the 'masters' of fashion in the West. You could probably name a half dozen male led fashion brands for women instantly, yes?

True 'freedom' in this life is an unobtainable myth. The only true 'freedom' is death, thus absolving one of all consequences and need for choice. There are consequences, circumstances, and causation to every choice one makes in this life. No human is absolved from this, except perhaps the infant, the unconscious, and the insane. And for the insane, there are likely consequences within their own mental world even if they are divorced from the real world.

You are entitled to your opinions, but you are mistaken in many ways.
10:03 PM on 07/13/2009
For a couple of alternative views by Muslim women regarding the veil, you might want to check out the following links:

http://tehranbureau.com/picturing-1953-1979-2009/

http://tehranbureau.com/ultimate-unveiling-iranian-women/
10:54 AM on 07/15/2009
Yeah, well at least in the West one has the freedom to choose whether one wants to be a "slave to fashion" or not, as any stroll thru a mall will tell one.

And, God? Looks to me like those who say they speak for God --- Christian, Jewish, Islamic, ETC, are all mostly...MEN. Mortal, fallible, aggressive, visually oriented, often "unevolved", brutal, and cruel men.

So, until:

a) Half of those who run religion are women, and/or,

b) God speaks for Himself,

I'll continue to be a non-slave-to-fashion and dress as I please. Oh, and yeah, just in case you're wondering, all you slave-to-animal-lust menfolk, I do look good. Damn good.

And I'm way too proud of my looks to hide them under a bedspread!
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11:09 AM on 07/13/2009
To be fair and honest, her husband was not shot by a guard for trying to save her. He was shot accidently by the guard who confused him for her attacker as the guard was trying to save her. I'm not saying that's ok...but let's be honest in our reporting.
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01:20 PM on 07/13/2009
You are correct - he was probably shot because he wasn't white, and it was too great a stretch for the guard to believe he was saving rather than attacking - though frankly, the knife should have been a give-away.
05:48 PM on 07/13/2009
It was an egregious, unforgivable mistake on the part of the guard.
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03:48 PM on 07/14/2009
That Marwa was stabbed 18 times tells me that there was probably no armed guard in the courtroom, and I believe I read in one account that the judge ran from the courtroom seeking help. If so, the guard, running into the courtroom and making a split second decision about who was the culprit in the melee, quickly concluded that it was the Egyptian, not the German. To be fair, it was not a calculated shooting in the strict sense, and I think the prejudice involved was at a deeper level than the conscious mind. Nonetheless, shooting a man who was defending his wife from a murderous attack in a courtroom, is an egregious error, no matter how you explain it.
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10:59 AM on 07/13/2009
All I know about this is what I read in the media, so responses are welcome.

IIRC, the Taliban were obsessed with making sure that women wore burqas which makes me suspicious as to whether it is men or women who want women wearing them. That women will claim to want to wear them doesn't by itself prove that they haven't been led to want this by social pressures which ultimately come from men.

Also, it seems to me that there is a contradiction between wanting to enhance "feminine mystique" and not wanting to be judged by appearance. It seems to me that the person is simultaneously seeking attention and rejecting it.

Finally, there is the basic issue that in conversations with someone, people want to see the other person's facial expressions because just vocal tones alone don't fully communicate what the person is saying. In a similar way, a person who is not wearing sunglasses will tend to resent someone who is wearing them as wielding power over them by concealing their eyes.
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10:58 AM on 07/13/2009
I think France was wrong to ban the hijab, (and crosses, yarmulkahs etc...) I see no threat for people to display their various religious affiliations. The Burqa on the other hand closes off a persons identity completely. How do you know who is under there? Is it a man or a woman?

I suppose as a previous commenter said, it's fine if you want to walk through the park or whatever but you'd still probably have to 'lower the veil' somehow to complete a bank transaction or get your drivers' lisence, etc...; there are practical considerations to walking around completely identity-free.

When I lived in NYC in the 90's, it was illegal to wear a full-face covering Halloween mask; to prevent crimes. I wonder if Burqa's are allowed there now? or an issue? And Wow, it just popped into my head: If they became popular in say, TX where you can also carry a concealed weapon! You may suddenly see a number of 6'4'', 250lb. devoted muslim women sauntering around!

But seriously, (I know this is about France, not the US), covering the hair, and even some of the face, is one thing, but completely concealing the identity and gender of a person, is simply not practical: & I don't buy the argument that all males who may see her are slathering, st00pid animals who may jump her if a toe is exposed.
10:53 AM on 07/13/2009
Until I began to visit Istanbul (and fell in love with it) I would have said that I thought anyone should be allowed to dress as s/he wished. Now I'm not so sure. In the case of a secular state, I have come to believe that it is right that representatives of the state should not flaunt their religion. And I certainly feel that the prohibition of veiling in universities in Turkey is unobjectionable (for me, an outsider). I do wish that Turkey were discussed more often in articles about "Muslim dress". On an entirely personal note, from time to time I see couples in Bangkok, often in depatment stores, where the man is dressed in T shirt and shorts, and behind him is a burqa-clad woman. I must admit that it makes me feel that something is terribly wrong.