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Posted: 01/12/10 12:08 PM ET

It's really interesting how the conservative movement has jumped on Harry Reid's racial observations regarding Barack Obama's candidacy. They feel that Reid made some type of faux pas. Senator Reid was making a candid observation about racial attitudes in America. For many Americans, dark skin and the Negro dialect are a definite negative when considering a political candidate. Those attributes are associated with all of the negative stereo types of blacks that have become part of America's history.

The conservatives are trying to say that those statements by Reid are the equivalent to Trent Lott's praise for the racist segregationist presidential campaign of Strom Thurmond. There is no rational way that speaking about racial attitudes that have been in play since the beginning of our nation is the equivalent of endorsing a racist presidential candidate. But the conservatives insist it's a match. Go figure. I hope Mr. Reid continues to lead the Dems successfully. The conservatives will continue to live in their fantasy world.

 
 
 
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05:17 PM on 01/14/2010
There have been studies where people were given 3 candidates, each had the same qualifications and platform. The only diff. two of the candidates were black, one being a light skinned black and the other a dark skinned black. NEARLY ALL RESPONDENTS SAID THEY WERE LEAST LIKELY TO VOTE FOR THE DARK SKINNED CANDIDATE.
I think what Sen. Reid said was right. If you are light skinned and have little trace of stereotypical "negro" traits then you have a better chance of advancing. For those that seek to make a mountain out of a mole hill then i suggest you keep trying b/c Sen. Reid's comments were in no way even close to being the same as Sen. Lott's comments.
02:33 PM on 01/13/2010
The Republican party has become the party of it's okay for me to do it, but not okay for you! They are like a viscious animal waiting for somebody to say something "wrong" so they can attack. When Mccain criticized Al Franken for not letting Joe Lieberman to speak he did the same thing a few years ago. He also voted no on MLK day! If they want to talk about racism, they should pay attention to the xenophobes on Fox.

Leave Harry alone and deal with the real problems of America. Stop Nitpicking and playing wag the dog.
02:42 PM on 01/13/2010
Is there not a thread about any of those issues to write a comment in? I'm not saying that Republicans have never done anything wrong (I don't think anyone is), rather wondering whether their wrongdoing somehow justify Reid's?
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GOP is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!
03:04 PM on 01/13/2010
They just can't. Wag the dog is all they have! Their policies do not work.
11:47 AM on 01/13/2010
Come on, I don't believe for one second that if the shoe was on the other foot the democrats wouldn't be out for blood. It amazes me that so many people here believe all republican politicians are unethical racist corporate shills and the democrats are for the most part saints. They are all the same!
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GOP is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!
12:19 PM on 01/13/2010
You a drawing a false equivalency between the parties. Although Reid made a gaffe, his statement was made praising Obama as a presidential candidate. After all, Reid has worked for racial justice his whole career. Look at McCain who voted against the Dr. Martin L. King holiday. Most Republicans do not have careers working for racial justice and their party still does their best to suppress the black vote.
12:39 PM on 01/13/2010
Are you so caught up in party politics that you can't just look at Reid's statement for what it is?
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GOP is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!
10:47 AM on 01/13/2010
As usual, Kareem hits the nail on the head. It is a shame that Republicans have had such a partisan response, especially given their track record on racial relations. I think the conservative remedy for racial barriers and inequalities is for everyone to become white. Kareem's prose is a graceful as was his sweeping hook shot on the basketball court. Outside of the occasional gaffe, Harry Reid has been fighting for racial justice his whole career, as have Democrats. Republicans have a sorry history on the subject of racial inequality. One they would probably rather not try to defend.
11:12 AM on 01/13/2010
The irony of this post is palpable.
12:12 PM on 01/13/2010
By which I mean that it is ironic that you denounce Republicans for have a partisan response in a post where you posit a partisan stance.
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12:19 PM on 01/13/2010
I can not taste the irony!
11:32 AM on 01/13/2010
Some Repubs condemned Reid's comment, while others indicated it wasn't that big of a deal. Some Dems said that he chose his words poorly, but since he apologized, we should move on. It would appear that there isn't clear party-line view on this issue, so blanket statements are inaccurate and serve no purpose.
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11:57 AM on 01/13/2010
The Republicans marched in lockstep on this issue as usual demanding he resign after he made the comment and that includes such notables as Liz Cheney and Michael (honest Injun) Steele, head of the RNC. Only later, after having second thoughts, have Republicans decided it may not be an issue where they want to defend their record because they have often stood on the wrong side of racial justice. Or perhaps you think the GOP record on racial justice is a good one?
09:59 AM on 01/13/2010
The only TRUE outrage about this is that it was made PUBLIC! This is something that is part of,"private", conversations all over America daily. And don't worry too much ELIGHTENED CAUCASIANS, we have known all along how you really think of us. All the Mexican/Latino, or Arab/Muslim jokes you tell that we,"laugh", at, we know it's about black/African Americans when we're not around!
11:11 AM on 01/13/2010
That is absurd. Not all white people think negatively of black people. Furthermore the "TRUE outrage" goes beyond this public/private issue.
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08:37 AM on 01/13/2010
My only quibble with Dr. J is the statement, "I hope Mr. Reid continues to lead the Dems successfully." I'm sure Reid will continue to lead, and I hope (probably in vain) that he will start to do so "successfully." His coddling of the Leibermans and Nelsons and other turncoats and worship at the false idol of the fillabuster have done great damage to the cause.

It is telling that Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell was rushing to Reid's defense yesterday. I believe the Republicans got worried that their campaign would succeed -- and realized that Reid's weak leadership is an asset they can't afford to lose.
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09:21 AM on 01/13/2010
That's Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, not Julius "Dr. J" Erving.
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10:24 AM on 01/13/2010
dr.j? guess we DO all look alike?
j/k
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10:39 AM on 01/13/2010
Fanned.
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I'm still here
10:46 AM on 01/13/2010
Dr J? this is kinda ironic given the subject matter.
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08:36 AM on 01/13/2010
As a Black person, I am regularly more offended by images of light-skinned black women in the media, and the absence of beautiful dark-skinned women because they are not as marketable to White America. I am offended every time I turn on television and have to search for Black faces, unless I'm watching the sports channels. I am offended by regular comments by Rush L, slanted news stories on Fox News, and virtually no blacks at the Republican National Convention, save those who oppose legislation benefiting Black people.

So, all you enlightened Conservative Whites who suddenly got so outraged and disturbed by Sen. Reid's comments, take a closer look at America, and get just as angry at worse things that happen every day.

Conservatives getting made because Reid used the word "Negro" are like Animal Rights folks who eat Hamburgers...
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09:21 AM on 01/13/2010
I would say that conservatives who are making a big deal out of Reid's statement are more like a furrier or meat manufacturer that is mad because you declawed your cat. (not that I support declawing)
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10:54 AM on 01/13/2010
Rush makes his living from a white backlash kind of mentality. He gets rich feeding into white lower working class paranoia that blacks are making greater economic gains than they with the support of the government. He is only talking to a crowd who is slightly frightened, behind the times, and likely not well educated. Unfortunately, he is there to inflame sensibilities and racial animus rather than heal them.
11:06 AM on 01/13/2010
Oh Rush manages to have an audience of many rich, Wall Street Plutocrats as well.
08:35 AM on 01/13/2010
Reid and Lott's comments are not as interesting and telling as the political reactions to them from both sides. It goes like this...
"We defend our boy and condemn their boy"
...until the popular tide is too strong to ignore or the political oppurtunity to gain more power at my guy's expense presents itself, THEENN it's...
"I must say I have deep respect for the leader on many levels, but his insensitivity in this matter shows that he may not have what it takes to be an effective leader moving forward so perhaps its time he step down"
...then said politician wrings his/her hands together "fly Like" and thinks: (...and someone more willing to sling cash toward my district can be put in the leader's chair... heh-heh-heehh!)
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09:25 AM on 01/13/2010
When a Dem says something stupid, I believe in calling them on it. I have done so in the past. But I think that if you look at Reid's statement in a logical way, you have to say that it was accurate and that there was no attempt to insult anyone of any race. it was a comment on our attitudes about skin color that was really on target. Should he have used different words? Yes. But the meaning is what's important, not the fact that he used outdated language. He is an old guy after all.
09:36 AM on 01/13/2010
You shouldn't get caught up in his use of the word "negro". The offensive aspect is the implication that there is some lesser, "improper" English language that belongs to or is inherently related to black people.
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10:06 AM on 01/13/2010
If every leader we had stepped down because of an insensitive remark, who would run the place. The Utopian world you long for is just that Utopian. We all have made insensitive cruel remarks. I really think you need to adjust your thought processes. Reid has a long history of fighting for civil rights in one of the racist states in the United States. Maybe we should keep him.
11:06 AM on 01/13/2010
Fighting for civil rights does not mean that he is incapable of making racist statements or being racist (not that I am saying that he is racist, merely commenting on your logical fallacy).
06:51 AM on 01/13/2010
Tolerance is sometimes accessible in the American consciousness, but true acceptance is rarely obtained in the journey across America’s ethnic wilderness! Ones man's achievement is another man's affront!

A kind, very distinguished gentleman one morning spoke to me with great curiosity concerning a high tech instrumentation camera that I was testing at Drake Stadium for a photographic assignment. He said, “I have really seen a lot of cameras, but never one like that!” I replied, “Very few people will ever see a camera like this one. Every time the space shuttle is launched two of these cameras are in the craft. When the gentleman turned his head to look at Bill Cosby I realized that I was talking to Sidney Poitier. Mr. Poitier was pleasantly surprised, and happily conversed with me about my camera equipment for a long time.

That weekend a Caucasian cinematographer with conventional camera equipment, and fluid head tripod had a very different attitude at the athletic event. His first question was, “Where did you ever see cinematography equipment like that, and learn how to use it? When you come out with camera equipment like that there is no need for anyone else to be here with a camera.” American attitudes, and behavior are much deeper than antiquated ethnic labels!
06:46 AM on 01/13/2010
I agree that this is a tempest in a teacup.
But the real problem is that Reid is an ineffective leader, and he suffers the Daschle syndrome: He's a Democrat elected against the grain from a Republican state, meaning he is ALWAYS at risk.
05:48 AM on 01/13/2010
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, I knew you when I was young 17 yrs old kid in NYC for the summer from Louisiana before I was drafted to go to Vietnam in 1971. I come from from one of those old southern colored, negro, black, African-AMERICANS Families that has survived from the beginning of the USA as both slave and free people. My mothers was a direct descendent of the White Woolfolk brothers slave traders of the old south. My present family is made up of light,, brown and dark skin people. We all have had different experiences and it has been both good and bad. We were treated like crap by both Black and White and divided by both of the same until we came to the realization that it was all BullS**t Racism. During the Vietnam War I was combat aircrew and caught hell form the White dudes in the air and the Black Dudes on the ground for doing my duty and keeping my brown skin ass alive. Both of them thought I was uppity for flying. The thing is not all blacks nor whites were my enemy during that time. We saved a lot of lives and it did not make one goddamn difference who we were saving; they were americans. This thing about skin color was way to divide Black folks of whatever hue to make us loose faith in the struggle for our natural rights as American citizens.
10:07 AM on 01/13/2010
The Willie Lynch Doctrine to be exact! My father taught us, as children, about this because he was black, & my mother was white. I'm 46 & grew up in Cleveland, and trust me. I learned a long time ago the truth to the saying, "Not all whites are your enemy, just as all blacks are not your friend!", the skin color thing is waaaaaay to overblown. But Sen. Reid was telling the simple truth, it just made it public is what has everyone in angst.
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10:27 AM on 01/13/2010
willie lynch is a MYTH:

http://jelanicobb.com/content/view/21/30/
03:22 AM on 01/13/2010
Are we really so quick to defend Reid from Republican attack that we cannot simply admit that what he said was offensive? Racism is not an issue of party affiliation and approaching it as such is absurd.
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10:28 AM on 01/13/2010
what he said wasn't offensive.

the fact that it is TRUE is what should be offensive.
10:56 AM on 01/13/2010
So black people are incapable of speaking "proper" English? There is nothing true about the existence of a "negro dialect". What he said goes beyond shortsighted, it is indicative of a larger misconception about black people.
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10:36 AM on 01/13/2010
No one is saying Senator Reid's comment was innocent. Yes, it was offensive and archaic, and he has publicly apologized for it. Can't say that about a lot of republicans. Harry Reid is hardly a racist, he just chose to use dumb words.
11:01 AM on 01/13/2010
That is interesting because the above post by davidariley says that Reid's comment was innocent (at the very least inoffensive). I'm not saying that he hasn't apologized or that Republicans haven't apologized for worse or that he is a despicable racist, merely that it is an offensive and racist statement. Furthermore it goes beyond just choosing to "use dumb words", his language is indicative a larger understanding of black people that is offensive.
02:47 AM on 01/13/2010
The big ruckus seems to be over Harry Reid using the word "negro" in the term "negro dialect". I think it would be a serious double standard for African Americans to take issue with the use of the word Negro since we still have the United Negro College Fund, I wondered why the NAACP was still using the word colored which I find way more offensive than negro, but if the NAACP didn’t see a need to change it then I wont argue. I think what is going on here is a case of entitlement by the republicans. They decided that this was a racist statement and now the media is picking up on it. Harry Reid was addressing Obama prospects with certain sectors of the white demography. I am sure Obama being light skinned helped some white voters push the button for him, and truth be told it probably made some African Americans more enthusiastic. Being a darker skinned person I am familiar with this, more favorable treatment or feeling toward lighter skinned people. He did not call Obama a Negro, he called him a "light skinned African American"--what’s wrong with that, and he is isn’t he?

read my full post: "Negro", Please -- more whites should be like harry reid : http://thepollitikat.com/
03:09 AM on 01/13/2010
I would disagree with one of your foundational assumptions, viz. that the issue was with the word "negro" itself. The offensive part of Reid's statement is the assumption (or at the very least tacit espousal) of a "negro dialect". Do people really not understand that the notion of a "negro dialect" implies that there is some way of speaking that applies to black people? That implication invalidates the idea that a black person can speak however they wish and is not at the mercy of their blackness for their dialect. Regardless of whether Reid himself believes that to be the case or not, the existence of an identifiably "negro dialect" is offensive and should not be validated.
10:27 AM on 01/13/2010
"Do people really not understand that the notion of a "negro dialect" implies that there is some way of speaking that applies to black people? Regardless of whether Reid himself believes that to be the case or not, the existence of an identifiably "negro dialect" is offensive and should not be validated."

Are you serious? Have you ever heard of Ebonics? It refers to African American vernacular English and is considered by many to be a language in and of itself. There have even been suggestions that it should be designated as a formal English-based dialect used in schools and universities. This isn't some fantasy and that facts that a large number of blacks either speak or are very familiar with Ebonics would indicate they don't see it as offensive. I welcome comments from African American posters with thoughts on this. See below for the definition of Ebonics.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Ebonics
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10:35 AM on 01/13/2010
The offensive part of Reid's statement is the assumption (or at the very least tacit espousal) of a "negro dialect". Do people really not understand that the notion of a "negro dialect" implies that there is some way of speaking that applies to black people?

there IS. i was raised speaking it and do to this day.
the problem with your perception seems to be: when some thing of "negro dialect" they ONLY think of ebonics.
not the case.

i listened to an interview with a howard university linguist who explained the differences and the characteristics of a dialect as opposed to slang.
most successful blacks have the ability to code-switch.
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01:47 PM on 01/13/2010
that's the latest tactic: call "racism" on anything dealing with race - while ignoring what is being said. as for the media....well...."spineless" comes to mind.

no one wants to touch that, not even the president - despite accuracy and the research.
but then again, some folks are trying to compare reids fact-based assessment of a political reality and trent lott lamenting the loss of a segregationist....who fathered a black child.
02:02 PM on 01/13/2010
It's not racist because it deals with race, it is racist (or at least racially questionable) because ti claims that black people speak a certain way.

Research? Seriously? What research went into the belief that there is a certain way that black people speak?
02:23 AM on 01/13/2010
Reid said nothing wrong, and nothing that was
not factual.

FYI: "black" is not a race; it's a color

"white" is not a race; it is also a color.

Caucasian (or caucasoid) *is* a race, *Negro* or negroid is a race,
and *Mongoloid* is a race.

"Asian" and "European" and North American
are adjectives to describes people places or things that
pertain to Europe, Asia or North America -and thsoe terms
do not denote their actual race
which could be any of the aforementioned

To suggest that it's better to call people of
*certain* races by their skin color rather than their actual race
is a racst concept in and of itself.
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03:08 AM on 01/13/2010
Race in biological terms means groups that are similar, possibly related, but cannot reproduce together. We are all ONE race of many delightful shades.
10:00 AM on 01/13/2010
Much too late in some folks life to try to educate them my friend!
10:48 AM on 01/13/2010
Definition of race:
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology
a. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
b. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.

I couldn't find any reference that indicated members of one race couldn't reproduce with members of another race, so that doesn't appear to be a criteria for race. Can you provide your resource?
03:20 AM on 01/13/2010
This is an absurd claim. Racial designations along the implied purity of your classificatory system are not possible in our melting pot society. The existence of racial "purity" (according to your claim) is practically non-existent among black populations, therefore Reid's claim of a "negro dialect" would be patently false and absurd instead of offensive because that would not exist in any relation to the English language. According to your claim, a "negro dialect" would be closer to a dialect of Swahili and even the ability to speak that has little to do with race (even as you consider it).
01:59 AM on 01/13/2010
This is the most concise and substantive way I've heard anybody put this so far.