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Kathy Freston

Kathy Freston

Posted: February 25, 2011 08:34 AM

The Case For Fake Meat (Omnivores, We're Looking At You!)


One of the strongest indictments of the meat industry I've ever seen is my good friend Mark Bittman's TED talk, "on what's wrong with what we eat." In this talk, Mark discusses the benefits of eating plants and the problems of eating meat, including the extreme cruelty of modern farming, the harm to human health of eating so much meat, and the environmental nightmare that meat production causes.

In the talk, it's the environmental nightmare that seems to most capture Mark's imagination: He begins the talk by comparing modern diets to the mushroom cloud of a nuclear bomb. Stating that modern meat production is "a holocaust of a different kind," Mark discusses the fact that about one-fifth of all global warming gases come from the meat industry, and then proceeds to detail other environmental problems with meat production -- desertification, water use and pollution, loss of biodiversity, and so on.

Throughout the talk, Mark makes it clear that "we don't need animal products [for health]," and that plants should be supplanting animals in the human diet. Mark has been beating the drum of responsible eating as well as anyone in the three years since he delivered this TED talk, most recently with a thought-provoking Opinionator blog that raises many of the same issues, but with a brand new target that I find curious and a bit counter-productive.

To be clear: I am okay with the fact that Mark does not in the end -- now or in his TED talk -- decide that the solution to the problem of the meat industry is to advocate veganism; after all, he is honest about the tragic consequences of meat consumption, and many who read his influential words will move in the direction of conscious eating, and others will go farther, doing as he says, which is even more than he (laudably) does.

Mark and I differ over the issue of meat alternatives; I like them, he doesn't. His indictment of them appears to be based on the fact that they are processed, which is true (there are, of course, many more processed foods with animal products in them, but let's not go there). But unlike the subjects of his usual culinary fusillades, high protein meat alternatives are not packed with fat or simple carbohydrates, they are environmentally exponentially superior to meat, and they don't support the egregious cruelty to animals of the modern meat industry. Honestly, it seems to me that his objection is more aesthetic; faux meat offends Mark as a gastronome, not on any real ethical grounds (as far as I can tell).

Here's why I'm unabashedly pro-faux, and why I promoted faux meat for Oprah's 378 staffers who went vegan for a week: It's much better for human health, exponentially better for our environment, and infinitely better for animals.

Like Mark, I wish that we lived in a world where every family had the time, know-how, means, and motivation to prepare healthful, from-scratch meals brimming with organic vegetables, whole grains, and slow-cooked beans; and I agree with Mark that encouraging movement in that direction is important. There is no doubt that this is the ideal, and that we'd all be a lot better off if we ate this way.

But we don't live in a perfect world. As Mark pointed out in his TED talk, the vast majority of Americans are surviving on frozen pepperoni pizzas, buckets of chicken, Big Gulps, chips, and chocolate bars. The closest many kids may get to eating a vegetable on any given day may be the French fries on their lunch tray.

That's why, when I led Oprah and her Harpo staffers through a 7-day vegan challenge recently, my approach was to take their current lifestyle and eating habits into account, and ease them into eating vegan by showing how easy it is to swap out fattening, high-cholesterol animal products for vegan versions of their traditional favorite foods.

The Oprah staffer, Jill, featured on the show didn't go from eating whole foods from the farmer's market to packaged vegan convenience foods. Rather, instead of buying a carton of cow's milk, she bought a carton of almond milk. Instead of a bag of dairy cheese, she chose a bag of tasty Daiya vegan cheese made from tapioca and other natural ingredients. Instead of buying plastic-wrapped meat that was produced with antibiotics and other drugs, she bought delicious (and drug-free) Gardein brand faux meats, which are made from amaranth, quinoa, soy, and wheat.

Simply by choosing vegan versions of the staples she already used, Jill effortlessly and dramatically reduced her family's intake of saturated fat, completely eliminated cholesterol from their meals, and reduced their risk of many of the nation's top killers. In one week, Oprah's staffers lost 444 cumulative pounds, and many said they planned to stick with eating vegan, because they had so much more energy and simply felt great. That's not surprising: According to the American Dietetic Association (link above), vegetarians are less prone to heart disease, obesity, cancer, and diabetes than meat-eaters.

She also made her family safer from the pathogens and toxins found in animal flesh, including salmonella and campylobacter (in a Consumer Reports study, two-thirds of grocery market chicken was found to be infected with one or both of these dangerous bacteria) and arsenic, which is fed to chickens to stimulate growth.

As I mentioned on the show, for me the big thing is cruelty to animals: The average meat-eating American consumes about 35 farmed animals every single year, and each of these animals is raised and killed in ways that would warrant felony, cruelty charges were these protected animals, like dogs or cats. When we eat meat we are basically paying people to do things to animals that none of us would engage in personally; just because we don't see it up close doesn't mean we aren't culpable.

And as Mark so eloquently detailed in his TED talk, by dropping meat, eggs, and dairy products, we eliminate the largest contributors to climate change and other serious environmental problems from our family's lifestyle. That's why Mark began his talk with the mushroom cloud comparison -- it wasn't even the sodas and other processed food he was most assiduously indicting; it was meat.

Showing people who are trying to move toward a plant-based diet that they can still eat their favorite comfort foods is an important way to break down barriers and resistance to a new way of eating. Once the mind opens, it continues to expand. For many people, starting out on transitional foods like vegan meats, cheeses, and milks is a first, fantastic step, and they'll likely later incorporate more "real foods" like unprocessed grains, beans, vegetables, and fruits into their diet.

Moving toward a way of eating that is kind to our bodies, the earth, and animals is about progress, not perfection. It's about leaning into it by making smarter everyday choices. We may take different paths to get there, but in the end, any step away from a meat-and-dairy-centric diet and toward a plant-based way of eating is a tremendously positive (and delicious) step.

Not convinced? Watch Mark TED talk.

Please check out my new book, "Veganist," for more on how a plant-based diet affects your health and the world around you.

 
 
 
One of the strongest indictments of the meat industry I've ever seen is my good friend Mark Bittman's TED talk, "on what's wrong with what we eat." In this talk, Mark discusses the benefits of eating ...
One of the strongest indictments of the meat industry I've ever seen is my good friend Mark Bittman's TED talk, "on what's wrong with what we eat." In this talk, Mark discusses the benefits of eating ...
 
 
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07:47 PM on 03/15/2011
You have completely missed a very viable alternative which happens to be even more environmentally friendly and healthy (and WAYY tastier) than processed soy products: free range, pastured meat from small farms. My freezer is full of healthy beef, raised solely on grass, humanely slaughtered, and then butchered by my uncle. Soy is a very intensive crop which requires either pesticides and herbicides, or repeated tillage to control for weeds. Both options use a lot of fossil fuels. Processed food also uses a lot of packaging, processing and transportation. My beef was born, raised and butchered within 10 miles. There are many small farms which will ship to the city, and there are co-ops which serve cities. Processed foods are not the best way to go, and grass fed ruminents are far kinder to the earth and your body than grain crops.
07:28 PM on 03/20/2011
I completely agree with you there. Trouble is where I'm at - in England, or in the Czech Republic - we don't have those vegan, publicly local options - and those options need to be made available! I love animals, I would never consciously do anything bad to them, nor let anyone else do so. Thus I've made the choice to be semi-vegetarian and only eat RSPCA (UK) guaranteed meat or none at all if I don't know where it's been. We are soon getting chickens again for our own eggs, and a local farmer who has 'promised' me that he is as nice as possible to his pigs - slaughters a pig for us to put in the freezer (lasts just over 6months). If you look at nature, it wasnt meant to be that nobody/nothing gets killed in order to eat and survive- and I think that applies to us too unfortunately. But fingers crossed for the day when we can avoid that. Meanwhile, lets improve the conditions and lives of the animals - they are 100% worthy and derserving of it!
01:24 PM on 03/22/2011
Thanks for your comments, jags. A few responses:

You would never consciously let anyone do anything 'bad' to animals, and yet you consciously let people raise them and kill them for your own benefit? Do you think a cow doesn't think it's 'bad' that they are being killed? You'll be happy to know that this IS a day where we can avoid that, as the millions of vegans throughout the US and UK have demonstrated. And you can do it without eating processed food too, if you so desire.

Also, your local farmer 'promising' he is as nice as possible to his pigs is assigning the fox to guard the hen house. What else would a farmer say? In my experience with dozens of factory farmers, they all say that. They might even believe it, but that's because they define anything they do to an animal for profit as not abusive. Their definition of abuse is so narrow to avoid ever having to admit they are guilty of it, even though they are chopping chickens' beaks off, cutting the tails off pigs, and castrating them without painkillers. Can we agree that taking a farmer's word for it is on the naive side? :)

Not trying to offend, but in my own thinking this is what I've come up with when I tried to justify eating meat and other products from animals. In the end, we don't need to enslave and kill other animals to live.
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03:15 PM on 03/30/2011
"humanely slaughtere­d" no such thing, fairy tale belief. Slaughter = Death, what is human about that ? Slaughter and Humanness, are like north and south magnetic polls. Never the twain shall meet.
04:30 PM on 04/07/2011
"Humane", not "human".

And death is the only fuel for life, in a sense. Everything you consume for survival that was once alive has to die to keep you going. Pig, artichoke, or carrot. So while I admire the compassion and tenderness that drive much of the impulse to refrain from eating meat, it's still a very selective response to the ethics of being alive.
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09:14 AM on 03/11/2011
I know we lead busy lives, but people can cook fast and healthy meals if they empower themselves. Many people lack knowledge and are lazy. The key is knowing how to SHOP and then cook it.
06:02 PM on 03/08/2011
I couldn't agree more with Kathy and appreciate the article. There has to be replacements for animal derived foods when a person is transitioning into a plant based diet. Not everyone is able to drop eating meat and move right into consuming whole grains and vegetables, and for those people, mock meat is a healthy and cruelty free option. Thank you, Kathy for this article and for helping to offer foods that ease people into a healthy transition that proves to be better for human health, the environment, and animals.
08:09 PM on 03/07/2011
Articles like this make veal taste better.
01:26 PM on 03/22/2011
Posts like this make "personal choice" vegans into animal rights advocates. Keep it up! :)
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MANGO K
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03:06 PM on 03/30/2011
It takes that attitude, to open minds, it's good for the Vegan Movement. Little do they know, they unwillingly help our cause. Way to Go !
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elcerritan
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03:23 PM on 03/04/2011
Apparently there's some sen soar ing going on - we can't have anyone telling us what's REALLY in fake meat, now, can we.
11:56 AM on 03/04/2011
Meat is gross and anything trying to immitate it, is just as gross. Give me the organic veggies, fruit and grains and I'm fine. Been eating like this for 25 years and have never been sick.
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03:02 PM on 03/30/2011
The only way to fly ! F&F
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Horus45
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12:45 PM on 03/03/2011
This is a problem for people of European descent, only Asians have evolved with soy as a regular part of their diet.
Especially White Men should not consume unfermented soy.
There has been a dramatic rise in the incidence of Hypothyroidism in America and most cases involve someone who recently switched to vegetarianism and has made soy a regular part of their diet.
08:19 PM on 03/07/2011
Suddenly all of the "virility enhancement" cures/elixirs found in Asian societies make a LOT more sense.
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03:28 PM on 03/30/2011
Considering the antiquity of China, soy(tofu and soy milk) is relatively new to the Asian diet.
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06:10 AM on 03/03/2011
"Showing people who are trying to move toward a plant-based diet that they can still eat their favorite comfort foods is an important way to break down barriers and resistance to a new way of eating." This part tickled me. None of your meat analogues will replace a perfectly rare steak, duck confit, or a poached egg. The idea that just because something can be labeled vegan does NOT make it healthy. I prefer my ingredients list to be as short as possible, not like this, vegan Morningstar Farms Grillers (sorry for the caps, that's how it copied from their website):

WATER, TEXTURED SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, CORN OIL, CONTAINS TWO PERCENT OR LESS OF AUTOLYZED YEAST EXTRACT, VEGETABLE GUM, NATURAL FLAVORS FROM VEGETABLE SOURCES, MALTODEXTRIN, SOY FIBER, SALT, CARRAGEENAN, POTATO STARCH, ONION POWDER, CARAMEL COLOR, DISODIUM INOSINATE, DISODIUM GUANYLATE, KONJAC FLOUR, SUNFLOWER OIL, SESAME SEED OIL, SOY SAUCE (WATER, SOYBEANS, WHEAT, SALT), CONCENTRATED ONION JUICE, ASCORBIC ACID, VINEGAR POWDER, CITRIC ACID, ASPARTIC ACID, MODIFIED CORN STARCH, MALIC ACID, SUCCINIC ACID, TARTARIC ACID, LACTIC ACID, WHEAT FLOUR, SOY LECITHIN.
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elcerritan
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11:58 AM on 03/03/2011
LOL! In contrast, the ingredients list for my entire dinner last night is as follows:

- beef (grass-fed in the Sierra foothills, bought from a farmer friend),
- kale (from my own garden) cooked in homemade chicken broth (made from leftover chicken bones)
- potato (not sure where it was from).

I think I'll stick with my diet.
04:20 PM on 03/03/2011
Your dinner certainly sounds healthier and better for the environment than a vegan processed meat substitute. When I first went vegan, I used a lot of those sorts of products, being under the impression that they were somehow necessary. And it did, frankly, ease the transition. But I've since gotten away from that stuff.

I'm a little scared when I see ingredients like disodium inosinate and disodium guanylate on the label. If ingredients have names that don't roll off your tongue, they probably shouldn't go in your mouth! (one of my Pollan-esque "food rules"). Of course, a lot of those ingredients are fairly innocuous - onion powder, sesame seed oil, and the like. And it's not like a healthy, natural meal like yours can't contain additional flavoring and seasoning ingredients. Autolyzed yeast extract is a little problematic - basically, it's just a fancy term for Marmite, but I can see where it might be a problem for people allergic to glutamic acid.

The only soy I really eat is in the form of tempeh and miso. They're both fermented, so that helps greatly reduce the phytochemical content. Only organic and non-GMO. Plus, no hexane!

I really like quinoa, too. I use it to substitute for rice in a lot of dishes. It's a complete protein (more so than soy) and fairly low on the glycemic index. I can't STAND white rice (tastes of nothing to me), so whenever I do eat rice it's of the brown variety.
05:53 PM on 03/04/2011
The facts must be heard!

Aspartic acid additives, the main ingredient in aspartame (which literally started out as a chemical warfare agent) is a neurological excitotoxin that has been connected with a number of health maladies, including migraines, nausea, abdominal pain, fatigue, sleep disorders, vision problems, anxiety attacks, depression, and asthma. It should particularly be avoided by pregnant women and people with asthma.

The combination of disodium inosinate and disodium guanylate is used as a sneaky way to hide MSG in foods. When those two ingredients are seen in a product that doesn't list MSG as an ingredient, it is because they work by enhancing the glutamic acid in the soy protein concentrate to create MSG. The chemical combination of disodiium inosinate and disodium guanylate, known as disodium 5'-ribonucleotides, is not used independent of the presence glutamic acid that turns it into MSG, because it would be expensive and pointless otherwise. The dangers of MSG are no secret.

Caramel coloring may sound innocuous, but it in reality it is anything but. The name is purposely deceptive. In reality, it is created by a high temperature, high pressure chemical reaction between sugars, ammonia, and sulfites, forming 2-methylimidazole and 4-methylimidazole, which have been shown to be very dangerous carcinogens in several studies, and have been associated with hypertension as well.

Along with the many dangers of the nasty stuff known as soy protein concentrate, the industrial processing is pretty scary. Most soy protein concentrate is processed with hexane!!!
08:13 PM on 03/07/2011
You do realize that glutamic acid occurs naturally in porcini mushrooms, right?
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10:32 AM on 03/02/2011
I'm a big fan of just add water dehydrated chick pea & fava bean veggie burger mix. It always lets me be creative in which veggie flavors I like to toss in before shaping the patties. Sometimes diced peppers, other times chopped mushrooms, etc.
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Horus45
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12:49 PM on 03/03/2011
What brand name is that sold under?
I have been having a hard time finding veggie burgers that do not contain soy.
So far the only brand I can find is Amy's Classic California Veggie burgers.
04:10 AM on 03/09/2011
I'm allergic to soy too and I've found the vegan/vegetarian products seem to always throw soy in there some where. I found some chickpea powder mix to make falafels at an indian store that was free of soy. So maybe try looking at falafel mixes.
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08:20 AM on 03/02/2011
I do get they do not call fish meat? If walks like a duck, quacks, etc. Tofu just can't cut it. It just doesn't have the taste. Sorry all of you vegans I've tried it and nothing short of animal flesh satisfies like the real thing. I'm trying to cut down but 200,000 years of habit is hard to quit.
12:42 AM on 03/03/2011
It's more like five or six million years of evolution. ;-)
01:34 PM on 03/22/2011
Slavery was integral to human development for thousands of years - it increased populations, drove economies, and was the basis for many societies. That doesn't mean it's a good thing though, right? Grandfathering-in does not work on issues of ethics.
01:32 PM on 03/22/2011
Hi Fuddgate,

I think you're missing the point of this article, which is for people whose life decisions put minimizing the torture and suffering of animals and the destruction of the Earth above a transient palette preference.

If you would like to make an argument for hedonism, be my guest, but I think the common premise of this discussion is that there is something more important than what tastes good, since that is pretty much just a base childish impulse that developed human beings should aim to quash.

Then again, I guess I should be humble in front of a 200,000 year-old.
08:14 PM on 03/01/2011
For those who believe that "local" meat represents a viable option you may want to google the article "Green Eggs and Ham: The myth of environmentally sustainable meat." It is an article that thoroughly refutes all of the arguments for local meat and has been, I think, now published in three different books.
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09:12 PM on 03/01/2011
Does it also refute the argument for animals you raise yourself on your own pasture? Because that would really be something.
08:09 AM on 03/02/2011
Hi, Jumbotron.

I will frankly admit that it would be hard to refute (except on personal, unarguable-either-way, moral grounds) arguments for "animals you raise yourself on your own pasture". I guess the question I have regards scalability. Most folks are not in a position to raise animals on their own pasture - in fact, in my jurisdiction it is illegal to keep livestock of any form, even backyard chickens.

This is kind of related to a question I've been meaning to ask for a while and hadn't gotten around to (and I'm asking this because I genuinely value your opinion, not because I'm just posing some rhetorical question): what do you feel is the most ethical diet for people who genuinely have no reasonable access to humane/sustainable/insert-adjective-of-your-choice meat, eggs, and dairy products? Just go with the factory-farmed stuff?

I think Stanescu's article, while surely no coup-de-grace, is a little more intelligent than others have given it credit for. I'm particularly sympathetic to the criticism of the strain of elitism running throughout much of Pollan's writing, and of the reactionary politics of Joel Salatin. Particularly notable is Salatin's hypocrisy in refusing to ship meat anywhere because that's not "local", but he'll ship t-shirts and DVDs anywhere, for free.

Salatin frankly makes no sense - if, as he claims, animals have no soul and are not created in God's image, then why does he oppose the "cruelty of factory farming"?
10:57 PM on 03/01/2011
I have read your Green Eggs paper Mr Stanescu, and frankly, I found your vegangelical extremist approach to be laughably ignorant of the basic fundamentals of sustainable agriculture. I am glad that virtually all of the world's foremost experts in sustainable ag recognize the essential importance of animals in agriculture. Not only do I think that sustainable meat is a viable option, I think it is an essential option.

It was humurous to see you plugging your own paper here though, so thanks for the laugh, but I will continue to trust in people who actually understand sustainable farming, such as Macarthur genius award winners Wes Jackson of the Land Institute, and conservationist Gary Nabhan, as well as the head of the Leopold Center for Sustainable Agriculture Fred Kirschenmann, Buckminster Fuller prize winning soil scientist and land management expert Allan Savory, and world renowned sustainable farmers such as Gene Logsdon, Eliot Coleman, and yes, Joel Salatin, instead of vegangelical activists who write about what they perceive as the literary implications of sustainable farming.
09:06 AM on 03/01/2011
People keep suggesting that a meat free diet is a healthier one because the meat itself causes disease. I have two simple requests:

1) Please give me a link to a study that shows this
2) Specifically, what biochemical compound in meat is it that causes this?
03:50 PM on 03/01/2011
Josh,
I would recommend reading The China Study by Dr. T. Colin Campbell
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08:49 PM on 03/01/2011
Thoroughly debunked for the poor science and propaganda it contains.
I am also patiently waiting for the biochemical explanation for the dangers of meat and saturated fat and how they "clog arteries" and cause obesity, heart disease, and cancer that will refute what Gary Taubes has explained so well about how it is actually carbohydrate intolerance and insulin-resistance that causes the above list of maladies.
09:20 PM on 03/01/2011
Campbell's work has been thoroughly discredited. Further, his studies on casein were done on powdered casein, not the whole food. This is bad science.
10:43 PM on 03/01/2011
How many studies do you want and pick your cancer. Here's just a few studies.

Colorectal:
Santarelli RL, Pierre F, Corpet DE. Processed meat and colorectal cancer: a review of epidemiologic and experimental evidence. Nutr Cancer. 2008 ; 60(2): 131–144.
Larsson SC ; Wolk A. Meat consumption and risk of colorectal cancer: a meta-analysis of prospective studies. Int J Cancer. 2006; 119(11):2657-64.
Chao A, Thun JT, Connell CJ, et al. Meat Consumption and Risk of Colorectal Cancer JAMA 2005;293:172-182.
Dose dependent effect of dietary meat on endogenous colonic N-nitrosation. Carcinogenesis 2001; 22(1):199-202.

Prostate:
Sinha R, Park Y, Graubard BI, et al. Meat and meat-related compounds and risk of prostate cancer in a large prospective cohort study in the United States. Am J Epidemiol. 2009 Nov 1;170(9):1165-77.
Richman EL et al. Intakes of meat, fish, poultry, and eggs and risk of prostate cancer progression. Am J Clin Nutr. 2009 Dec 30.

Lung
Deneo- Pelligrini H, De Stefani E, Ronco A, et al. Meat consumption and risk of lung cancer; a case- control study from Uruguay. Lung Cancer 1996;14 (2-3):195-205.

Lymphomas/leukemias
Zhang S, Hunter DJ, Rosner BA, et al. Greater intake of meats and fats associated with higher risk of non-Hodgkins lymphoma. J Nat Cancer Inst 1999;91(20):1751-58.
11:47 PM on 03/01/2011
For every study you cited, I can cite another ten that refute those findings. I can also cite studies that point to carbs as the culprit. According to one source, if you run the numbers in the actual China study (not the book), wheat is linked to more diseases than animal foods. Based on what my body can tolerate, I'm going with wheat as a major source of the "diseases of civilization".
05:47 AM on 03/02/2011
Hi Nutritarian,

Can you please link me directly to these studies so I may read them and determine if they used the proper controls? Also, are you able to answer my second question: which biochemical compound in the meat is responsible of the onset of these diseases?

I found the last study cited. Did you read it? It's a cohort study where food choices were determined by a mailed survey.. The results also note a strong correlation with age and height. Lastly, there is no mention of of the meat quality. This is a rather unreliable study!
07:17 AM on 03/01/2011
Maybe people should be more worried about all of the things that the traditional meat eater is missing. I hardly think the 1 percent of vegans in the States are the cause of 70 percents of people being overweight, the cause of cancers, the cause of heart disease and diabetes. Maybe people should look a little more closely at what the majority of people are doing because what is happening in the states is not economically sustainable. Diabetes is going to break the bank if we don't make some changes. And that's preventable.
09:51 AM on 03/01/2011
Again, India, the diabetes capital of the world, also has the largest percentage of vegetarians in the world, so your argument is more than a bit absurd. It seems that you are confused by the basic science of diabetes. It is literally impossible for meat to cause an insulin spike. In fact, the protein in meat helps regulate insulin. Blaming diabetes on meat eating is just plain ridiculous.
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12:04 PM on 03/01/2011
Are you accounting for the percent of the population of India relative to the rest of the world's diabetes population? I mean, there are a billion people there. Could you supply your reference? Eating (bad) fatty foods makes your arteries more rigid, which, if you already have diabetes, would make it worse. I would say most people who have bad enough eating habits don't care about the fat content of their meat, so they might be more prone to eat high saturated fat meats. But, you're right about meat not causing diabetes, diets high in sugar are to blame.
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elcerritan
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12:24 PM on 03/01/2011
Diabetes isn't caused by eating meat, so what on earth are you nattering on about?
02:04 AM on 03/01/2011
ok fake meat ewwwwww
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07:33 AM on 03/01/2011
They are currently planning to grow "meat" in the laboratory and market it without any differences in labeling. Free market and anti regulators to your rescue.
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11:48 PM on 03/02/2011
not surprising,
sounds like every abolitionist vegan's dream
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05:24 PM on 03/15/2011
How can you blame the free market, if it's a gov't regulation that PREVENTS a business from labeling their products?

GMO's are a prime example.
10:09 PM on 02/28/2011
PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE....Please if you are worried about the environment (which I very much am), or sustainable food please support local organic farmers. You don't have to give up meat to do this, meat is good for you we need animal protien! The best thing everyone could do is to support food locally so these demands grow and local farmers can make a good living feeding people in the community.
10:22 AM on 03/02/2011
As a Registered Dietitian, vegetarian and vegan cooking teacher and cookbook author, I must agree that the biggest issue is getting, and eating, enough vegetables and fruit for their antioxidant and phytochemical benefit. When you buy them, support your local farmers instead of buying food flown in from half way around the wold. You discover which produce is in season and it tastes much better. Almost everyone needs more vegetables - meat eater or not.

"Fake meats" can help people transition but I prefer to teach people about eating "real" food as the goal. Yes, people are busy but what can be more important than taking care of personal and planetary health? Without both of those, there's not much reason to keep going.
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01:46 PM on 03/02/2011
The first time I saw carrots (and other veggies) at local farmer's market I couldn't believe the difference!

Fanned!
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02:02 PM on 03/30/2011
So true, we must ensure that our children have a future, not a cesspool to live in. Veganism = Life for all. F&F
01:46 PM on 03/22/2011
If we needed animal protein how come there are all those people like me who are vegan?

Please watch your language; that kind of ignorance is dangerous.
10:36 AM on 03/23/2011
It's not ignorance when it is fact. True, you can sustain life without animal protien but the key word is "sustain". I would say there are so many vegans like yourself because you are simply misinformed on what is healthy. Any vegan/vegetarian usually always defaults to a high carb diet which just a recipe for disaster.
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01:58 PM on 03/30/2011
Straight Up, Drew ! Vegan Power Forever ! F&F