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Beyond Retaliation

Posted: 05/03/11 10:03 AM ET

This morning, a reporter called to talk about the news that the U.S. has killed Osama bin Laden. Referring to throngs of young people celebrating outside the White House, the reporter asked what Voices would say if we had a chance to speak with those young people.

We'd want to tell them about a group of people who, in November of 2001, walked from Washington, D.C. to New York City carrying a banner that said, "Our Grief is not a Cry for War." Several of the walkers were people who had lost their loved ones in the attacks on 9/11. When the walk ended, they formed a group called "Families for Peaceful Tomorrows" to continually represent the belief that our security is not founded in violence and revenge.

Often, during that walk, participants were asked what we'd suggest as an alternative to invading Afghanistan. One response was that the U.S. and other countries could enact a criminal investigation and rely on police work and intelligence to apprehend the perpetrators of the attack. As it turns out, the U.S. discovered where Osama bin Laden was through those means and not through warfare. How have the past ten years of aerial bombardments, night raids, death squads, assassinations and drone attacks in Afghanistan benefited the U.S. people? Did the carnage and bloodshed bring the U.S. closer to discovering the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden? Have we defeated terrorism or created greater, deeper hatred toward the U.S.?

In the past, President Obama has said that "we stand on the shoulders of giants like Dr. King, yet our future progress will depend on how we prepare our next generation of leaders" (Jan. 18, 2010). In a historic speech, "Beyond Vietnam -- A Time to Break Silence", King said: "We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. The oceans of history are made turbulent by the ever-rising tides of hate. And history is cluttered with the wreckage of nations and individuals that pursued this self-defeating path of hate."

In that same speech, King called for a neighborliness that goes beyond one's tribe, race, class, and nation. We think of that call in light of experiences of a 2010 Voices delegation that visited a rural village in the central highlands of Afghanistan. They sat with women who were close in age to the young people who were celebrating outside of the White House last night. Asked if they had ever heard of a time when a large passenger plane had crashed into a tall building in the United States, the young women were puzzled. They had never heard of 9/11.

They live in a country where 850 children die every day, a country which the UN has termed the worst country in the world into which a child can be born, where the average life expectancy is 42 years of age. The UN says that 7.4 million Afghans live with hunger and fear of starvation, while millions more rely on food help, and one in five children die before the age of five. Each week, the U.S. taxpayers spend two billion dollars to continue the war in Afghanistan.

Matt Daloisio, who co-coordinates the Witness Against Torture Campaign, sounded a note that we find far more authentic than triumphal celebration.

"10 years," Matt wrote. "Over 6000 US Soldiers killed. Trillions of Dollars wasted. Hundreds of thousands of civilians killed. Tens of thousands imprisoned. Torture as part of foreign policy. And we are supposed to celebrate the murder of one person? I am not excited. I am not happy. I remain profoundly sad."

Kathy Kelly for Voices for Creative Nonviolence www.vcnv.org

 
 
 
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Kathy Kelly
co-coordinates Voices for Creative Nonviolence
09:38 AM on 05/04/2011
It's helpful to read "A National Security Strategy That Doesn't Focus on Threats" by Jim Dwyer in the New York Times, (May 4, 2011). Dwyer covers a paper written by Captain Wayne Porter of the Navy and Col. Mark Mykleby of the Marines which "calls on the United States to see that it cannot continue to engage the world primarily with military force, but must do so as a nation powered by the strength of its educational system, social policies, international development and diplomacy, nad its commitment to sustainable practices in energy and agriculture." They favor health care and social services as part of national security. It makes sense to me.
05:34 AM on 05/04/2011
Well said, and I couldn't agree more.
05:25 AM on 05/04/2011
It seems to me Afghanistan was in no position to pick a fight with the Their leadership should think of the consequences of preemptively and by stealth torturing and slaughtering thousands of innocent US civilians. It's really no way to influence people and win friends. I mean for Christ's sake what did they expect us to do ?
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elan4444
02:19 AM on 05/04/2011
Sometimes one is forced to defend one's country, that's just the simple truth.
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hjalmar
May the dawn soon come.
08:19 PM on 05/03/2011
OT: Ms. Kelly, thank you for a fine piece. Just the other day I was chatting with my neighbor over the fence and lamenting the superficial perspective of the average American who hungers for the latest iabout fatuous superstars like Lady Gaga or Charlie Shean or Paris Hilton and I wished for a world in which people like you, Kathy Kelly, would be venerated for your tireless work to bring peace to this warring world. I actually used your name! It has remained with me since reading an excellent interview with you in The Sun Magazine several years ago. I bow to you. Thank you for all of your hard work. Please continue to comment at HuffPo.
06:09 PM on 05/03/2011
1. Life under the Taliban was pure hell for the average Afghan citizen. According to a TIME Magazine article on 3/17/11:

1. Under Taliban rule, only a million children were in school. Now there are 6 million, many of these girls.
2. Under Taliban rule, basic healthcare was a luxury, but is now available to most of the population.
3. Annual economic growth is over 20%
4. Six out of 10 Afghans polled in the fall of 2010 say their country is going in the right direction.
5. Six out of 10 Afghans have a favorable opinion of the U.S. military presence in their nation.
6. The Taliban incarcerate HALF the population in their homes, banning them from public life.
7. The Taliban MASSACRED thousands of Shi'ites, and pretty much hosted every Islamist terrorist and insurgent groups int he world.
8. In 2010, 2800 Afghan civilians died from the current conflict. A war death toll of 9 per 100,000 (the murder rate in DC is 22 per 100,000).

War is terrible. And decent people can disagree. But to pretend like the US has made things worse in Afghanistan is downright dishonest. And naive.

I'm sure Neville Chamberlain is your hero as well. Look how successful he was in peacefully dealing with Hitler.
06:02 PM on 05/03/2011
The actions you wrote may benefit some businesses, but not your country overall, in any way.
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jeanrenoir
12:07 AM on 05/04/2011
As a liberal, I'm often dismayed by how destructive the naivete of many on the left is. "Idealism" can be very blinding. What we need is Obama's tough realism, in order to face what Stendhal called "truth, truth in all its rugged harshness," including the way it is OFTEN necessary to kill people to save MANY, MANY more. And anyone who fails to do the killing, out of "conscience" is de facto responsible from the deaths later that result from that failure. If you don't stop a disaster which you have the power to stop, the disaster is your fault.
06:23 PM on 05/04/2011
As a social liberal, and fiscal conservative, I could not agree more:-)
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12:59 AM on 05/04/2011
War and death are not things to be celebrated

Ever.
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05:47 PM on 05/03/2011
Islamic fundamentalism is a violent politico-religious movement. It is supported by theologically conservative clerics, a world system of Wahabist indoctrination schools; theocratic states and entities; billions in donations from the world Muslim community and a global system of Jihadist recruitment in mosques, Islamic centers, universities, libraries, job places, jails, street corners and Internet.
The horrifying results are evident for all to see, the battlefield is global the struggle is difficult and we should employ all tools at our command-- ideological, political, law-enforcement and military--to deal with adherents of this anti-humanist religious ideology.
06:03 PM on 05/03/2011
Interestingly, this post could equally be said about the neo-conservatist movement here in the US. Check out a fascinating BBC documentary "The Power of Nightmares" which shows how these two fundamentalist movements have paralleled each other since the 1950s.
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08:18 PM on 05/03/2011
Relationship tor reality--zero. But I commend you on political correct zeal.
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hjalmar
May the dawn soon come.
08:01 PM on 05/03/2011
Either you have been brainwashed, or you are here to intentionally spread destructive, divisive, hateful propaganda. Which is it?
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amleth
big fan of humanity - very often disappointed
04:30 PM on 05/03/2011
It now appears that torturing prisoners also had nothing to do with the information leading to bin Laden's demise.

High level prisoners who were tortured (waterboarded) lied and claimed no knowledge of the identity of the courier who led to OBL.

Low level prisoners who were not tortured gave the information.
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05:51 PM on 05/03/2011
Most if not all, of these terrorists were held without trial or lawyers, in CIA jails and Gitmo and successfully interrogated whcih resulted in them knowingly or unknowingly betraying other Al Qaeda members and enablers.
Good job, CIA. A bit slow, but congratulations are in order nevertheless.
04:20 PM on 05/03/2011
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are wars for profit.  They have nothing to do with catching terrorists.
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01:04 AM on 05/04/2011
Faved.
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mtnlife96
No apology
09:40 AM on 05/04/2011
Truth.
04:20 PM on 05/03/2011
The U.S. did not go into Afghanistan and Iraq to retaliate for anything.  The U.S. went there because Bush and his buddies in the energy, banking, mercenary and defense industries wanted to make lots of money.
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mtnlife96
No apology
09:42 AM on 05/04/2011
More truth. And, they've accomplished their goals and there's no balance sheet for human lives.
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Joseph Arechavala
04:07 PM on 05/03/2011
While I agree with your basic premise, neither can we stand idly by as thousand of innocent people are killed here or elsewhere, as the terrorists have done. Osama bin-Ladin was directly responsible for the deaths of thousands across the world.

But I'm not celebrating his death either; it doesn't mark the closing of the book, just the turning of the page. I hope that perhaps we're closer to the end of the book than the beginning.
06:35 AM on 05/04/2011
She did not suggest standing idly by. What she said was the Wars were unneeded to catch Bin Laden.
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Gordon Soderberg
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03:25 PM on 05/03/2011
Well said Kathy, As long as money can be made from killing there will be people ready to justify both.
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LoneTree
Just another 2nd Amendment liberal.
05:38 PM on 05/03/2011
If there were money to be made from killing people, there would be a lot more dead people. Your perspective would benefit from historical reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll

We Americans consistently make the mistake of thinking that because something is happening TO us or happening AROUND us, that it must eclipse anything that's happened in the past. In historical terms, the human suffering due to warfare since WWII is far lower than most periods in the past 2000 years. The # of wars doesn't determine the suffering, the # of people killed, wounded, and displaced is the issue. At that, contrary to your claim regarding the profitability of killing people, we Americans have proven amazingly reluctant.
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01:07 AM on 05/04/2011
And we've already spent (or rather, some companies have already MADE) more money in the past ten years on these illegal and imoral wars that was spent on all our previous wars combined.

War is a money maker!
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thorolyfedup
Just listen. You'll be surprised what you hear.
03:42 AM on 05/04/2011
Your first error here is to reference wikipedia, a site in which anyone can submit anything and anyone else can later change. If you want to support your argument, use a more reliable and trustworthy source.

I will not agree or disagree with what you have written. I just won't be convinced by wikipedia.
03:24 PM on 05/03/2011
But it does,it keeps activity ongoing, which leads to communications,which led to Usama.

Keeping them defensive in their own country slows planning for future attacks on American soil.
Torture is a necessary evil,someday it might save your life.If you cant live with it, invent something to replace it that is effective.

I would resort to almost anything to prevent a "nuke" going off in NYC.
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Decorina
Hypocrisy means your karma ran over your dogma
03:14 PM on 05/03/2011
"10 years," Matt wrote. "Over 6000 US Soldiers killed. Trillions of Dollars wasted. Hundreds of thousands of civilians killed. Tens of thousands imprisoned. Torture as part of foreign policy. And we are supposed to celebrate the murder of one person? I am not excited. I am not happy. I remain profoundly sad."

I feel the same way. I'm saving the celebration for the day we end these stoopit wars.
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hjalmar
May the dawn soon come.
05:49 PM on 05/03/2011
Well said, friend Decorina, and hopefully that day will indeed arrive; but, I have a feeling as one dies they'll have another one waiting in the wings.
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Decorina
Hypocrisy means your karma ran over your dogma
07:22 PM on 05/03/2011
Thanks, you made my day.

They already are ginning up to continue all their illegal wars...by saying that now that the bogeyman is dead we are LESS safe because "the terrorists" are going to retaliate! Why, can that mean that we were LIED to? Tell me it isn't so!
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05:53 PM on 05/03/2011
In entire self- flagellating monologue not a single word about the enemy. Predictably naive stuff common to certain middle class perspective.
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Decorina
Hypocrisy means your karma ran over your dogma
07:30 PM on 05/03/2011
I know you think there is a point in there somewhere...WTF is it?
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01:08 AM on 05/04/2011
the enemy is in your mind...