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Keith Thomson

Keith Thomson

Posted: December 30, 2009 10:50 AM

Drone Porn: The Newest YouTube Hit

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Recently, a group of high-level Al Qaeda members convened in a secret location in the Hindu Kush mountains in central Afghanistan.

"It's okay to talk," one of them said. "There are no Americans within a hundred miles."

Then...

BLAMMO.

A Hellfire missile, fired from a Predator drone, struck.

Remotely operated by pilots on the ground, Predator unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) boast a range of 454 miles and the ability to hover over a target for 40 hours. Originally developed by the U.S. Department of Defense in the mid-1990s for reconnaissance, Predators were fitted with a pair of Hellfire missiles after an American general remarked, "I can see the tank. Now I'd like to see it blown up."

The newer, bigger Reaper UAVs boast a 3,682-mile range and a relative arsenal, including Hellfires, Sidewinder missiles and 500-pound laser guided bombs -- a potent enough package that the Air Force is now training more pilots to fly aircraft from ground operations centers than from cockpits.

In researching remotely piloted aircraft, I visited the stretch of Southern Nevada desert that has become to UAVs what Silicon Valley is to the device on which you're reading this column. In 2007, Creech Air Force Base was made the home of the 432d Air Expeditionary Wing, the first Air Force wing dedicated to unmanned aircraft systems. Its daily missions in Afghanistan and Iraq could provide the military version of a SportsCenter highlight reel.

With an aim of promoting UAVs domestically as well as "enlightening" our enemies, the Defense Department recently began placing the Predator and Reaper mission clips on YouTube. Ranging from relatively detached wide shots of bombings taken by onboard cameras to startlingly graphic close-ups, the so-called "drone porn" has been a smash hit, as it were, tallying over 10 million views.

Perhaps best explaining its popularity are the thousands of YouTube commenters. Some marvel at the new technology and discuss the resulting paradigm shift in warfare. Some raise questions, including whether it's principled, dignified or otherwise in America's best interest to post drone prone in the first place. Most comments are along the lines of, "Hell yeah HOOOAH BABY!"

Below are three of the Defense Department's most popular videos on YouTube (titles theirs) as well as comparatively tranquil footage of a missile blowing up a tank. The "operational details" links go to the original YouTube pages, featuring more information and comments.


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07:03 PM on 03/14/2010
In case the link does not post, the article was
"CIA drone attacks produce America's own unlawful combatants"
by Gary Solis
Friday, March 12, Washington Post, Opinion

(Mr. Solis is an adjunct professor at Georgetown University Law Center, and is the author of "The Law of Armed Conflict.")
06:51 PM on 03/14/2010
If the military employs UAVs I'm all for it.
On the other hand, we currently have civilians operating these from CIA control centers inside the US. By "operating", that includes pulling the trigger. That's a problem. Check out the Washington Post article at:



Success aside, I'm not sure why this hasn't been a bigger concern before now.
Gee, what could be wrong with having people not wearing the uniform of the US Military participating in combat activities? After all, today they're working for us.
12:59 AM on 01/07/2010
Killing Muslims has become another entertainment industry of the Western world especially the America. The so called civilized world must be ashamed for calling the people armed criminals or terrorists; they are defending their country against the occupiers and invaders.
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Brooklyn Red Leg
Free Market Anarchist
09:23 AM on 01/04/2010
You Obama supporters got what you wanted. Now, more innocent civilians are being blown to Kingdom Come which is simply going to breed MORE TERRORISTS! This is not a 'Just War' and the Democrats' who support it hands are just as stained as we (former) Republicans.
10:15 AM on 01/05/2010
You think McCain would have kissed and made up? Spare me. Bush and Cheney started this crap and it's going to take decades to repair the greedy annihilation they have brought on the world, not to mention the shame they have brought upon our country!
10:40 AM on 01/05/2010
As long as you continue to try and "repair" it, it will never end.

Just leave.
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Brooklyn Red Leg
Free Market Anarchist
04:59 AM on 01/06/2010
>You think McCain would have kissed and made up? Spare me.<

Guess you got a public school education since you apparently didn't even read what I typed. Try again:

"This is not a 'Just War' and the Democrats' who support it hands are just as stained as we (former) Republicans."

And just for your edification, I wrote in a vote for Ron Paul. I would no more have voted for McStain than I would have Obllamarama.

>Spare me. Bush and Cheney started this crap and it's going to take decades to repair the greedy annihilation they have brought on the world, not to mention the shame they have brought upon our country!<

Which AIN'T gonna happen as long as Obama continues the Bush doctrine of 'Pre-emptive War'.
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Blexican
01:23 AM on 01/04/2010
Awesome technology! I just hope that our country can use it as accurately as possible, with minimal collateral damage.
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gal416
is a Bible verse † † †
05:54 PM on 01/03/2010
Osama bin Iaden has had us right where he wants us from the beginning.
03:13 PM on 01/03/2010
It's easy to fall in love with UCAVs. They're just plain cool, no matter how many innocent civilians they kill. And they're only going to get cooler as the technology improves. Just take a look at the Northrup Grumman X-47B Pegasus:

http://www.as.northropgrumman.com/products/nucasx47b/assets/lgm_0007.jpg

That's cool! It's a freakin unmanned stealth bomber that can take off and land on aircraft carriers autonomously. Unbelievably cool!

We blow up the wrong stuff on bad intelligence all too frequently. Iran is still sore about that time we killed 290 civilians aboard an Airbus A300 commercial airliner with surface-to-air missiles from an Aegis guided missile cruiser in the Persian Gulf, apparently mistaking it for an F-14 Tomcat.

The weapons we use to demonstrate our trigger-happy ineptitude are largely irrelevant. In the past, we only had cruise missiles to carry out these kinds of attacks, and those have the additional problem of not being particularly accurate.

During Shock and Awe, we attempted to take out Saddam Hussein, whom we thought was hiding at Dora Farms. Not only was he not there, but none of the four Tomahawk cruise missiles actually hit the target, and three of them hit an adjacent residential area, killing one civilian and wounding fourteen others, including nine women and one child.

So UCAVs are just our latest and definitely our coolest way to afflict the same kind of atrocities we've been afflicting by other means for several decades.
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waitforme
04:08 PM on 01/03/2010
This 'cool' weapon has no heart, has no soul, has no conscience so no remorse, has no brain. Anybody using these conscience-unrelated paper airplanes should be condemned. For Obama to continue their cool use indicates a disconnection between his (and all generals, DoD Secretary, State Secretary, everyone involved) heart, American values, and his values-ungrounded mind. Drones are completely beyond the pale; and as they become increasingly accepted, as Americans' eyes and morality glaze over, go numb, the whole world suffers.

Even worse, there is a rumor that American city police departments are 'looking at' the possibility of buying dronesfor use over American streets. I trust that, in this prospect, at least, Americans will fill the streets in loud protest and not allow such unethical robotic tactics. (And where is the
street protest -- alone the blog protest -- over such science-fiction, flawed technology
06:02 PM on 01/03/2010
How is it any more "disconnected" than any other over-the-horizon weapon system?

Many of our missile systems, from tactical ballistic missiles to cruise missiles to strategic ICBMs are impersonal affairs where the target is only visible to the operator via a digital representation.

If anything, the UCAV is less disconnected than other OTH weapons, since high-resolution imaging equipment is maneuvered into line-of-sight before the decision to fire is made. That's not possible with conventional missile systems.

We get caught up in the fact that UAVs are robots. But all modern guided missiles are robots. The only difference is that UAVs can be deployed without committing to an attack, which is a positive development in all respects.
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waitforme
04:14 PM on 01/03/2010
[to complete my comment above
'...where is the protest against drones being used in Pakistan, Afghanistan and other countries'.
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tulsey
I was Bill Hicks.
01:11 PM on 01/03/2010
Read "wired for war" this deal is being run by gamers.
theepoxyman
Reaching point of diminishing returns in 3,2,1
12:39 PM on 01/03/2010
All this fantastic technology and we still can not prevail?

I wonder why they have been labeled "criminals".
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ProfessorDuh
12:38 PM on 01/03/2010
I have come to the reluctant conclusion, over these last few years, that many Americans long to embrace fascism.
Ugly and small-minded, with a violent distaste for anyone they perceive as different, they like the idea of people being kidnapped by the government and locked in secret prisons where they can be tortured and murdered in complete legal darkness. They like the idea of private mercenary companies mowing down the unarmed citizenry in countries their nation has invaded and occupied.
They want the government to spy on all Americans at all times, without any legal oversight. They loudly condemn any poor person who steals something, but fashion strange, tortured defenses for corporate CEOs who rob billions from the public.
Anti-individualist to the bone, they demand that everyone else grovel to their deities and their flags.
Much of their conversation consists of nothing more than a tedious recitation of their imagined grievances against women, against gay people, against people who have other religious convictions, against black or brown or yellow people.
They enjoy listening to ranting idlots on the radio and television, and think those loudmouth dropouts are “intellectuals.” They have a long list of people they want to execute, and they delight in telling you how much they would enjoy seeing that done. For all the lip service they may pay the Constitution, in fact they despise it.
They don’t like to call themselves “fascists,” but that’s PR. What they like, very much, is being fascists.
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gschear
Max Baucus: What's in your wallet?
01:26 PM on 01/03/2010
carrying a cross wrapped in a flag
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waitforme
04:17 PM on 01/03/2010
Sounds right.
11:11 AM on 01/03/2010
We are the new Roman Empire...

Eat up, slaves.
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John Garner
10:16 AM on 01/02/2010
Ok, so in the 1st 2 video's we saw them spend $108,000 to blow up 9 guys, based on 1 hellfire missle being $54,000. That comes out to $12,000 per terrorist/criminal. Lets assume there 2000 terrorist/crimanls around the world. If a hellfire missle is used on each individual, your looking at $4,800,000,000 and possible more. Drones are all well and good, but they can't do things an army does like hold ground or gather human intellegence. In a way we're "gaming" the way wars are fought. In all of history, if you had to go to war it was a huge thing, the people were called or drafted to fight. Now,we can have a guy drive from his house to an airbase, fire up his drone, bomb someone from the safety of your console, then go have an iced coffee and be home in time for the big game. With no imminant danger to themselves. This is scary on a lot of levels,1 it makes wars easier to start and fight and 2 no one here sees much in the way of consequences other than some grainy footage. As we've seen in Veitnam and Iraq, its easy to get someone to manufacture a war incident. Should we really make it easier to go to war?
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waitforme
04:24 PM on 01/03/2010
'Drones make it easier to go to war.' This seems to be the crux of the very large, very immoral problem with drones.
05:32 PM on 01/03/2010
The actually costs would be much higher than $108k, if you count the resources it took to get the plane into that location, the fuel expended, the cost of the drone itself, the maintenance the cost of training the men, etc etc. It's hugely expensive. We probably could buy off most of the terrorists for less money.
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DismayedRepub
300Mm/s Not just common sense, it’s the law
01:37 AM on 01/01/2010
A few weeks ago NPR did a story about the CIA running these drones. WTF is the CIA doing with a weapon of war? So when will the FBI and your local state police be getting equipped with these angels of death?
08:02 AM on 01/01/2010
The CIA are using them to kill terrorist, and with much more accuracy then other methods, and less chance of US soldiers life's. They are using them in areas where the US doesnt have good control over, the US has fine control in areas within its own borders so i doubt the drones will be used for anything other then maybe surveillance. They are very useful, go take a chill pill.
12:18 PM on 01/01/2010
That is not true innocent people are being targeted.
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waitforme
04:34 PM on 01/03/2010
1) 'Go take a chill pill' is a chilling, rude locution which, itself, discredits the author's writing.

2) No, drones are not used 'with accuracy'; they have killed, it is estimated, over a hundred civilians, including children, with zero or one or two ' militants' also killed. (Evoking backlash killings of Americans exponentionally, it seems.)

3) Drones are being considered for use by large city police departments. Surely if they use them for surveillance they will eventually use them for bomb-targeting, with all the flaws and misses the Afghanistan drones effect.
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nightwind928
01:39 PM on 01/03/2010
I would love to share in the handwringing about how wrong drones are to humanity but every time I start to feel even a little empathy, the news comes on with a story about how a hundred or more innocent people, women ,children and old people, were killed and maimed by some terrorist blowing himself up in a crowded marketplace. The terrorist have set the stage for the violence. Do we just scold them and give them a time out for their bloodshed? Get real. We fight with the best weapons and technology we can muster and hope that it's effective on some level.The terrorist do the same. It's a fight for survival on both sides and the stakes are high and some will die for them. Everybody that's ever worn the uniform and come under fire knows that. Cleaning house is a dirty job. But if you don't use the right cleaner, you have to learn to live with the filth.
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waitforme
04:44 PM on 01/03/2010
The 'right' 'cleaner'? Good god, what horrible language. You seem to think (or do you?) a drone-operator can know how to successfully target suicide-bomber runners, the ones who are connected to actual bombings. But they can't know who those runners are. So you and your ilk start talking like, and acting like, you think 'cleansing' -- an inept, flawed 'approach' at 'best' -- is anything but a continuous, circular diffuse system of getting back and creating new anti-American recruits and nothing less.
10:58 AM on 01/05/2010
Would you rather be right or happy?

If you don't respond to the violence in the middle east, the people there will weary of it and support for those that perpetrate those acts will wane.

If you respond by killing innocent people and destroying the livelihoods of more, then the hate of foreign oppressors becomes more pressing than a few lunatics acting out against those oppressors in terrible ways.

People do not blow themselves up for fun. They do not blow themselves up just because they think they'll get 72 virgins. The prettiness of martyrdom is a story they are sold to hide the ugliness of what they will do. The REASONS for their actions have everything to do with asymmetric warfare and perceived injustice.
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03:48 PM on 12/31/2009
911 has become the new American mantra for its war crimes of choice ...two illegal wars ,torture ,imprisonment with no trial,hundreds and hundreds of thousands dead ,your country bankrupt financially and ethically ....and you chant 911,911,911...sick
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DuncanONeil
12:00 PM on 01/01/2010
Since when is it wrong to detain combatants until the conflict is over?
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tulsey
I was Bill Hicks.
01:09 PM on 01/03/2010
This conflict will never be over,sorry.
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waitforme
04:52 PM on 01/03/2010
We have a perfectly good, superior, legal system which includes limited holding of a suspect until PROOF -- EVIDENCE -- is accumulated, enough to try and hopefully convict the person. It is anathema to people interested in fairness for all and the Constitution of the United States to hold people without charges and 'justice delayed'. That is what the Iranians do. That is what China does. And others. It should not be US.
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mudshark12
Now who are you jiving with that cosmik debris?
03:38 PM on 12/31/2009
I was curious as to what they meant by "drone porn" and am saddened by what I saw. People have gotten so used to killing on video games that when they can do it for real it excites them to a greater extent and they forget that these are human beings and NOT just computer generated electronic images. Our society has dehumanized and cheapened other peoples lives to this abysmally low level! What are we teaching future generations here?

Also it upsets me that America can spend an unlimited amount of money making war while our infrastructure fall into disrepair due lack of maintenance and plain old neglect. America needs desperately to rethink its priorities! After all what do we pay our taxes for anyway? Certainly too much money has been focused on the military and foreign aid that the American citizens have gotten the short end of the stick again. I'm going to stop now as this is one of the issues that makes me very angry.
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DuncanONeil
12:01 PM on 01/01/2010
"People have gotten so used to killing on video games that when they can do it for real it excites them to a greater extent and they forget that these are human beings"

This basically a non proven cause and effect. There is as much evidence of the opposite.
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DuncanONeil
12:04 PM on 01/01/2010
"After all what do we pay our taxes for anyway?"

Okay, I'll bite. What do we pay our taxes for?

"Certainly too much money has been focused on the military and foreign aid that the American citizens have gotten the short end of the stick again."

Really!? The military, for one, is one of the smaller portions of the budget. Something around 60% of the Federal Budget goes into social programs.
02:30 AM on 01/02/2010
Where do you get your numbers? The military budget is explosive; that's why we had to fight the Pentagon just to stop making obsolete fighter jets this year. The military industrial complex is not some Orwellian fantasy, my friend.