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Would an Agnostic Make the Best President?

Posted: 06/05/2012 9:23 am

It's always refreshing when religious leaders strive to embody the very best values their faith has to offer. I have been reminded of this often over the past year, which is shaping up to be banner one for Christian leaders in the "practice what you preach" department.

For starters there is Kansas Pastor Curtis Knapp, who argued that the U.S. should put gay people to death. Pastor Charles Worley of North Carolina shared similar sentiments, stating that he figured out a way to "get rid of all the lesbians and queers... Build a great big, large fence -- 100 miles long -- put all the lesbians in there, fly over and drop some food... Do the same thing with the queers and homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can't get out ... and in a few years they will die out." (It appears the Christian churches, not to mention Christian school, I attended over the years utilized different versions of the Bible that omitted the section that talks about putting "queers" behind an electrified fence, because this edict doesn't ring any bells with me.)

Whenever I hear the angry and hateful rhetoric of religious leaders like Knapp or Worley, or their cohorts like the notorious Fred Phelps of the Westboro Church of "God Hates F*gs" fame (or rather, infamy), or when I hear of yet another priest accused of abusing a child (or covering for one who did), I can understand how people become fed up and disillusioned with organized religion altogether. Particularly when the anger, hatred, corruption and intolerance displayed in some pulpits finds its way into politics. (Here's looking at you, any religious leader who filed swift lawsuits to battle birth control access for women but moved slowly, or not at all, to prosecute clergy accused of sexually abusing kids.)

Of course, the irony is that many people who flee the anger and intolerance of organized religion appear to replace it with the anger and intolerance of atheism. I know I will spark outrage with this declaration, but I have never personally met an atheist who isn't angry. (Before anyone completely freaks out, I'm speaking from my own personal encounters with atheists, which is admittedly limited to four people. Although I will say they are four people from very different walks of life, ages and racial and ethnic backgrounds so I wouldn't call them a terrible sample. Perhaps not a great one, but not terrible either.) Each of them had a specific grievance in his or her life that he or she blamed on God. One was a black male friend who said, "If God existed, why would he let our people suffer the way that we have, from slavery until now?" including his own personal hardships in adulthood. He went on to explain that he was a "recovering Catholic." (Strangely, three of the four atheists I have known fit this category.)

One had a childhood friend who was abused by a priest. Another was from a family divided by an interracial relationship. The religious side disapproved of the coupling. (Similarly, my mother has a friend who went through a comparable evolution from Christian to atheist. His parents attended church every Sunday but were incredibly racist, specifically about black Americans, behind closed doors. So in adulthood he made the choice to disavow what he saw as their hypocritical religious beliefs.)

Even famous atheists often seem angry with a litany of grievances against what they consider the non-existent man upstairs and his "brainwashed" followers here on Earth. George Carlin, anyone? (Carlin was kicked out of Catholic high school after a few tense years there as a youth, years that would shape his work of which mocking organized religion became a defining component.)

But this anger pales in comparison to the anger that rears its head when any subject mentioning Christianity in a positive light comes up in the mainstream media. One of the most recent and appalling examples was the numerous comments, one more disappointing than the next, left by atheists regarding the story of Austin Anderson, a Marine who died after rescuing a woman from a plane that crashed on the way to a Christian rally. If there was ever a story that every reader, regardless of political or religious affiliation, should have found something kind to say about, this should have been it. Instead Austin's family will get to read comments like, "That god of yours seemed to want to bless his family with a tragedy... What a loving god you ppl have."

Another read sarcastically, "It's a miracle! except... I doubt the parents of those who died feel that way...God works in mysterious ways... if acting just as if you don't exist is mysterious. Well, at least one father is happy. Good for him. On an aside, what was the rally called again? Capture the fire?"

There were many more like them.

Maybe I'm naïve but I just don't get all of the anger -- among the religious or the avowed non-religious. I simply do not believe that just because someone else's belief system is different from mine that automatically makes it a threat to me. Why should it be? If you choose to believe in God and someone else does not, why insist that person is morally inferior to you? Similarly, if someone chooses to believe in God and you choose not, why go on message boards and insist that those people are intellectually inferior to you?

(For the record, I am someone who defines myself as a Christian and I also believe in evolution. When non-religious friends ask how someone "like me" could believe in something I can't prove or see, I pose the same question. "Why do you believe your parents, or spouse, or partner love you? You can't prove it. Maybe they fed, clothed and supported you simply out of obligation, or to avoid being arrested for child abuse or neglect. Maybe your spouse or partner is only with you for strictly financial reasons or for your insurance. You can't prove he or she's not. My point is we all use some form of faith to get through life. I won't judge where you use yours if you won't judge where I use mine.")

Our country has a long and complicated relationship with the role of religion in politics. Many early Americans were fleeing some form of religious persecution themselves, yet today studies show an avowed atheist less likely to be elected president than someone who is openly gay or openly Jewish. (Shameless plug alert: my latest book explores the campaign of a black, Jewish candidate.) But the more that anger continues to dominate the conversation about religion in our country, the more I appreciate those who say, enough is enough with the politics of religion hijacking our political discourse. While this election season President Obama will spend much of it subtly reminding voters he is not Muslim, and Gov. Romney will spend much of it trying convince voters not to care that he is Mormon, a little over a decade ago one presidential candidate showed more courage than both of them by saying, essentially, my religious beliefs are none of your business. That candidate was Sen. Bill Bradley.

During the 2000 Democratic primary in which Bradley faced sitting Vice President Al Gore, there were endless questions regarding Bradley's religious beliefs, all of which he declined to answer. He spoke of being spiritual but that was about it. Speculation abound that he may have evolved from Presbyterian (which he identified himself as a young man) to an agnostic, based on his more vague discussions of faith over the years. Since an agnostic is defined as "a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable," or "a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study" an agnostic is someone who basically admits, "I don't have all of the answers and I don't believe any of us here on Earth do." No anger. No pretense. I think we could actually use more people in politics who admit they don't have all of the answers. Our political discourse would be more honest, less divisive and yes, less angry.

What do you think?

To see a list of religious leaders who became prominent American politicians, click here.


Keli Goff is the author of The GQ Candidate and a Contributing Editor for Loop21.com where this post originally appeared.

 
 
 

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10:42 AM on 06/22/2012
To equate the "anger and intolerance" of religion with the "anger and intolerance" of atheists, as Ms. Goff does in this column, is to ignore huge differences. Religions throughout history and to the present day have enslaved, prosecuted, tortured, and killed those of other beliefs (or no belief). Atheists don't want anyone to suffer based on their beliefs or lack thereof. Atheist "intolerance" is simply the act of arguing against the foolish and dangerous dogmas of religion.

Ms. Goff focused on the emotion of her four overtly atheist acquaintances rather than the substance of their concerns. Her black male atheist friend stated a form of the problem of evil: how can belief in an omniscient, benevolent, omnipotent god be reconciled with the evil and suffering in the world (and in the afterlife if you believe in the biblical hell)? This is an intractable philosophical problem that has been written about for centuries.

Instead of reasoning by anecdote (based on Ms. Goff's four overtly atheist and "angry" acquaintances), why not find some real data about how people become atheists? In "Atheists: A Groundbreaking Study of America's Nonbelievers" by Hunsberger and Altemeyer, we find that most atheists from both religious and nonreligious backgrounds came to the unemotional realization that religious beliefs don't make any sense. The drama comes afterward, when their religious relatives and friends freak out.
WishfulThinkingRulesAll
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03:27 PM on 06/15/2012
"agnostic, "a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study"


Ok. Do you not realize that both theists and atheists can also be agnostics? Most atheists are actually agnostic atheists. Look up the definition of an agnostic atheist and see for yourself.
WishfulThinkingRulesAll
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03:25 PM on 06/15/2012
"Maybe your spouse or partner is only with you for strictly financial reasons or for your insurance. You can't prove he or she's not. My point is we all use some form of faith to get through life. I won't judge where you use yours if you won't judge where I use mine."


You are mixing up 'trust' or normal 'faith' with 'religious faith.' I know my family exists, I don't need a religious faith to hope and pray they exist, they are right there. You on the otherhand need your faith just so you can believe you god exists.
WishfulThinkingRulesAll
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03:21 PM on 06/15/2012
"I know I will spark outrage with this declaration, but I have never personally met an atheist who isn't angry."

LOL. Trolling in articles now? What has this world come to. Now to answer seriously. Keli, you've probably met hundreds if not 1000s of atheists. It's just that you only are aware of 4 of them. Only a few dozen people out of the 1000s I have interacted with know I am an atheist. And guess what, I act like a decent human being.
12:55 PM on 06/15/2012
The anger stems from the insertion of religion into politics and other areas of our lives. Has anyone heard of the "Freedom of Religion" laws that are now on the books in 28 states? You'd think this is harmless like the author contends, but its not. North Dakota recently rejected of version of this law because it gives too much freedom to abuse children, suppress women's rights, and make excuses for other non-moral behaviors. The United States is a secular democracy, and we despartely need to keep personal beliefs about all-mighty creators, virgin births, flying horses, and all dogma out of the politcial arena. Other than that, we are a pretty happy bunch. The author needs to meet more people!
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Janet Logan
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11:22 AM on 06/15/2012
I am an atheist. I am not angry. I have never been disillusioned or abandoned by a deity. I simply find religion and faith in a divine being totally incomprehensible.

Where I do get a bit miffed is when religious types find it necessary to justify their religion by denigrating my lack of one. Calling all atheists evil because we don't share their views, and being told that they are inherently superior because they are religious, is not a good way to get along with folks.

Being an atheist does not inform my daily life or ethos, any more than does my having blue eyes.
My sense of right and wrong comes from within. I do not feel compelled to better behaviour by fear of consquences in an afterlife.

That is what I would like to see in a politician - of faith or otherwise; a sense of right and wrong and all the shades in between, and the ethical strength to act on that basis, even if financially it doesn't conform to the bottom line argument.
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yipingpijou
09:09 PM on 06/14/2012
I'd be willing to bet the author knows a whole lot more than four atheists. We're not always keen on proclaiming our atheism publicly. So the ones she knows are willing to be identified as such, and therefore not a representative sample.

I have several friends who coincidentally happen to be atheists. Hubby and I tend to be more outspoken about it, and some of our friends are pretty amused by the 'angry atheist' persona we tend to exhibit. We cover a pretty broad spectrum.

When I hear someone called a militant or angry atheist, I substitute christian lingo in whatever the atheist said, and ask if that sounds militant. Usually, it turns out sounding fairly mild. But because it's speaking out against their god, christians think we're angry. (It's kind of like what sometimes happens when a man and a woman say the same thing - and the man might be praised for being strong, while the woman might get called bitchy.)
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Galaxie
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06:11 PM on 06/14/2012
Yes....
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Bob Metcalfe
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08:35 PM on 06/10/2012
I must confess, I was somewhat shocked at the comments quoted in the article. But atheists, particularly American atheists are entitled to be angry. The very fact that an atheists could not be elected president is enough. Not just that, but the discrimination, patronising, and sheer misunderstanding of the atheist position often found on this site is enough to promote frustration and anger. How that anger is expressed is another matter. There are rational, civilised and ethical ways to express this. Most of the atheist comments I've seen have been within these bounds, allowing for a little robustness in the debate.
10:59 AM on 06/08/2012
On the matter of not being able to prove love, I don't think that stands. Love is more than the "loving actions" performed on us. It also shows up in the brain when certain neurotransmitters are released while performing those tasks. So if you're insure as to why someone whether a friend of parent, is helping you in some way, just take a look at their brain chemistry at the time. Though this is much easier said than done, the point still remains that perhaps in science's early beginnings, it was near impossible to scientifically "prove" one's love for another, it's becoming less and less so today precisely because our understanding of the human brain and social interaction is steadily increasing. Plus, at least with love whether you ultimately decide it's provable or not, it's something that
couldn't exist without people who could, would, or do love or perform that action. On the flip side,
a diety of any kind presumably doesn't need people to exist for it to exist, so the existence of such a being vs. the existence of love aren't as anologous as you think.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
06:00 PM on 06/07/2012
We should order candidates for office by the number of stamps not in their collection.
04:53 PM on 06/07/2012
This article shows the author writing with a woeful lack of experience with other cultures and societies, making generalizations based on 4 people she can confirm as atheists. And these are people who had lost their faith due to some life experience - and specifically, Catholicism. Atheists come in many flavors, such as Buddhists, Taoists, Shinto followers, those who just don't plain believe in anything, and more. I have to agree with dbsimonds' quote, " Few seem angry to me but we are uniformly frustrated that ancient mythologies so routinely trump logic, science and reason in this country's politics."
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Mikdow
Curse you, Mansquito.
11:43 AM on 06/07/2012
The road traveled by many seekers takes them from the organized religion they were born into, to secular humanism informed by reason, to the de-mystification of ritual, to the denial of the existence of a theistic god, and finally, to the knowledge that every part of creation is in itself volitional. This volition, taken collectively, is what some people call God.
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Sneakerface
07:26 PM on 06/06/2012
A self-proclaimed "agnostic" is simply a person who refuses to answer the question : do you believe in a diety, or don't you ? "I don't know" is not an answer, because no one "knows." The diety concept has become, by definition, something that isn't knowable. It is a mistake to pretend "agnostic" is a satisfactory answer to the question, because the respondent is not being asked if they "know" there is a diety, only if they have a belief that there is one. Do you think pizza tastes good, or don't you ? "I don't know" is not a real answer. Sure, you can be an "agnostic," be my guest. But are you an agnostic theist, or are you an agnostic atheist ? Someone who acts like Mitt Romney, and refuses to answer questions for fear of what others might think, would be a terrible leader. So, that's your answer: an agnostic would make a terrible President, because Presidents are decision-makers.
11:03 AM on 06/08/2012
I don't think she's saying an agnostic would make a terrible president. On the contrary, I think she's suggesting that we have more agnostic presidents. It's in her last paragraph.
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Sneakerface
08:10 PM on 06/09/2012
Sorry, I wasn't clear. When I wrote "...so that's your answer" I actually meant that's MY answer (which I'm giving to you, Kelli Goff). Although, in a broad sense,as an atheist, it would probably gladden my heart to see an 'agnostic' President, my argument was that this 'agnostic' crap is just wimpy non-answering - really not the leadership quality we need in a President. Kind of like how Romney is an LDS, but won't talk about it, because it doesn't poll well.
06:17 PM on 06/06/2012
agnostic contains the word gnosis, which means knowledge. since not a person on earth has ever known, only believed. everyone is agnostic. it is a useless term, and is used as a euphemism for atheist. you either believe or you don't. if you do, you're a theist. if you don't actively believe, then you are atheist by default. you CAN believe because you don't know. so it's a misleading question.
But being an atheist isn't some evil theory. it is merely the non-acceptance of a theory that is convoluted and impossible to define without contradicting itself, or running into questions that cannot be answered, IE Euthyphro's Dilemma (Plato, Euthyphro: in a nutshell, is something pious because god likes it, or does god like it because it is pious. if it is pious in its own right, we don't need god to tell us something we could figure out ourselves. if it is pious only because god likes it, then it is pious arbitrarily, as it needs no explanation other than "because I say so" - the famous words of a parent that cannot or will not explain something to their kid. note: obedience does not make anyone moral, especially if we are only avoiding hell or hoping for heaven. being moral would included your own decision making, with actual choices that often aren't given in any religion's "holy" book, often so self-contradicting, it has a 50% chance of getting something right).
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Sneakerface
08:12 PM on 06/09/2012
Well said.