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Does the New "Free" Egypt Mean Freedom for Gays & Lesbians There?

Posted: 02/14/11 08:00 PM ET

While models from around the world are here in the Big Apple strutting their stuff for New York fashion week, a group of models halfway around the world narrowly escaped brutal punishment for doing the exact same thing.

In June of last year, seven male models and a makeup artist in the Sudan were charged with indecency and nearly sentenced to a public flogging because the men wore makeup in a fashion show for Sudanese Next Top Model. After a public outcry they ended up paying fines, but the story is a strong reminder that in many parts of the world anything perceived as a threat to traditional gender roles is not only still frowned upon but can actually be dangerous.

The sentencing in the Sudan comes on the heels of the murder of David Kato, one of only a handful of gay rights activists in the African country of Uganda. (Click here to see other LGBT Political Trailblazers.) Kato was killed just a month after successfully suing a Ugandan newspaper for publishing the names and addresses of Kato and other gays and lesbians in the country under the headline "Hang Them." Brenda Namigadde, a lesbian currently facing deportation from Britain, said she fears being tortured or killed if forced to return to the country, claiming that a number of her gay friends there have simply disappeared.

According to the International Lesbian and Gay Association sex between adults of the same gender remains a criminal act in 85 countries. A significant number of those countries are located in Africa and the Middle East.

As I noted on The Dylan Ratigan Show, while Egypt does not have an anti-sodomy law on the books like many of the countries on the list do, other laws have been used to target and arrest gays and lesbians there. For instance, the country has a laws against so-called debauchery, and violating religious teachings which Human Rights Watch points out was used to arrest 52 gay men at a club in 2001. Dubbed "The Cairo 52," despite the pleas of international humanitarian organizations 23 of the men were sentenced to hard labor. In 2004 an Egyptian college student was sentenced to seventeen years of hard labor as well, for posting a profile on a gay dating site. Targeting gays and lesbians who attempt to connect online has become increasingly popular among Egyptian authorities in recent years.

While I hate to be a "Debbie Downer," it must be said that amid the worldwide jubilation that greeted the news of Hosni Mubarak's retirement from his chosen profession of dictator, not all are celebrating. A big question mark remains regarding what this new era in Egypt will mean for gays and lesbians. There have been fears expressed among some in the LGBT community that the influence of groups like the Muslim Brotherhood demonstrated during the country's recent protests, could signal a new era of oppression. (Although if you can get sentenced to prison for posting a personals ad online, I guess it's worth asking how much worse can things get?) The organization's emphasis on combining religious ideology with policy should give all supporters of LGBT and women's rights pause, and apparently already is. Former Prime Minister Tony Blair has cautioned world leaders about the group, in part for this very reason.

So as we celebrate Egypt's newfound freedom, let's not forget to remember those there and elsewhere in the Middle East, and here, struggling to live their lives freely. After all, true democracy can only exist when there is equality for all.

This piece originally appeared on TheLoop21.com for which Goff is a Contributing Editor.

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07:32 AM on 02/16/2011
For people who somehow still believe feminist and gay activism are an "imposition" of US "imperialism", please check out the links below. People really need to give other people in other parts of the world far more credit for being able to stand up for themselves without input from 3rd parties. The Egypt overthrow was supposed to have taught everyone that, but I guess people are still mired in paternalistic thinking about the Middle East.

Oh, and these are just English sites. There are more in Arabic.

The Coalition for Sexual and Bodily Rights in Muslim Societies
http://www­.wwhr.org/­csbr_membe­rs.php

Arab Forum for Sexuality, Education and Health
http://www.jensaneya.org/english/about.php?choosed=2

Gay ME
http://www.gaymiddleeast.com/index.html

Salaam Canada
http://www.salaamcanada.com/

Zolah
http://www­.zolah.org­/ - In English and Arabic

Women Living Under Muslim Laws
http://www­.wluml.org­/
http://www­.wluml.org­/section/r­esource/la­test

Associatio­n for Women's Rights in Developmen­t
http://bit­.ly/ezEG87

Mussawah Egypt info page
http://www­.musawah.o­rg/np_egyp­t.asp

Nazra
http://en.­nazra.org/­About_Nazr­a.html

GLAS - Gay and Lesbian Arab society - check out that last link
http://www.glas.org/

Arab Lesbians Online
http://www.glas.org/lazeeza.html

Bekhsoos
http://www.bekhsoos.com/web/

Marrakesh.net
http://www.marrakesh.net/

Gayegypt.com
http://www.gayegypt.com/

Bint al Nas - qu.eer lesbian literary journal
http://www.bintelnas.org/

Queer Jihad
http://www.well.com/user/queerjhd/
02:18 PM on 02/16/2011
Awesome.

Thanks for posting.
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06:53 AM on 02/16/2011
Gay rights and womens rights are the same thing. Oppression of gays ALWAYS goes together with oppression of women.

The real agenda is to make apelike brutality the only force in society. All people who are kind and civilized are to be silenced and oppressed. Only cruel brutality is acceptable behavior in the fascist right wing world view.

Because women cannot be trusted to be brutal they must be silenced and controlled. Men who are not brutal are bullied and terrorized and punished for being nice.

Gay people consist mostly of strong women and gentle men and are therefore threatening to the fascist world order. This is the real reason for oppression of women and gay people.
09:16 AM on 02/16/2011
Absurd.
02:19 PM on 02/16/2011
Do you honestly reject the notion that homophobia and misogyny go hand in hand?
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07:57 PM on 02/16/2011
WOW An enlightened and well considered opinion. Well argued with ample evidence. Intelligent and logical.
05:32 AM on 02/16/2011
Um, Egypt is under military rule and dissolved the parliament. Not to mention their new constitution board has no women or christians on it. So not sure if this is "new found freedom".
06:47 AM on 02/16/2011
I wonder if that's not why Keli put "free" in quotes.
04:42 AM on 02/16/2011
Will gays and lesbians be free in Egypt? Maybe not, but hey they're free to go to the US!
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Nil homini certum est
12:36 AM on 02/16/2011
Great piece, Keli, powerful lead. Your writing is insightful, concise and compelling to ask; what is in store for the LGBT community in Egypt?
12:31 AM on 02/16/2011
Dear Keli, it really surprises me the insistence of the Western world to impose their idology and principals on the rest of the world. These people are fighting for freedom and right to live decently. They cleaned the debris of the revolution and are now focusing on rebuidling the country, help people who live in cemetries to get decent housing. First things comes first Keli. Focusing on rights for lesbians and gays in a very very devoted culture to religion tells me how the perspective is really narrow.

How long it took US and Europe to reach this level? You cant expect everyone else to catch up with you just because you did.

Now that the TREND is NOT to judge gays and lesbians, you are JUDGING everyone else who is not in favor of the homosexuality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The gov does not chase gays and lesbains who post Ads, they chase them if they are caught in act in public places.

I hope to see a wider perspective from the west in the future on issues of the rest of the world.
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05:24 AM on 02/16/2011
Why do you feel lgbts struggling for rights in other parts of the world is imposition of "idology"? Nobody is being asked to be in favor of homosexuality - it's an individual choice to hate the gays, or not. But do you feel governments have the right to chase anyone and jail them based on arbitrary characteristics like sexuality?
04:47 PM on 02/16/2011
No this is not the point that I was discussing with Keli at all. The gov in the middle east chased people who try to be heard, who wanted to discuss politics not only based on sexuality orientation. They did a lot of damage to the psyche of the people and to the economy. Arab people are/were ruled by fear and insecurities and hunger. The women struggle to have decent rights. Do you think gays and lesbians rights will be on top of the egyptian list??? besides what you are not getting (you I mean the western world) homosexuality is forbidden in the muslim world. Anyone who is homosexual can have the rights of a human being but not as a gay or lesbian. Like what are you asking exactly? a gay has a rihgt to marry? IT WILL NOT HAPPEN IN A MILLION YEAR. They havent reached a point where they say ok religion says no but i will do it anyway! My point is every people is unique and the western democracy model cannot be imported as is to the rest of the world. It has to suit the culture too.
02:24 PM on 02/16/2011
Wow, your post does a superb job of demonstrating how *little* you actually know about the lives of gays and lesbians in other countries, especially those who happen to reside in the Middle East.

There are so many things wrong with what you just wrote I don't even know where to begin.

There's nothing narrow about championing human rights.

*Face palm*
12:11 AM on 02/17/2011
Never said not to champion human rights. To ask having gays rights in Egypt at this time? Go try by all means! Please.
12:15 AM on 02/16/2011
I didnt know living under military control was freedom Keli. The people are being controlled by a military that we finance and your implying that they are free.
11:41 PM on 02/15/2011
Keli that is a great point and I think it would be wonderful if you went over there and started working towards equality for gays and lesbians in Egypt. Think about it , the excitement of actually being on the ground fighting for equality instead of writing about what other people shld do. Over there gays and lesbians can be put to death for their sexual identity while here in the US your causes are being allowed to marry and serving openly in the military. I agree with you and I hope you consider going over there and starting some type of gay and lesbian coalition to bring freedom to Egypt.
12:46 AM on 02/16/2011
Guys

you are not getting it, Egypt is a muslim country, their people are extremely devoted to their religion. It is not a question of equality. Homosexuality in Islam and Christianity and in all religions is forbidden. You cannot ask people to change their religious beleifs. It is not a political issue nor a society issue. It is directly related to whether it is allowed or not!!!!!

Keli, I agree with freedomfries25, go to Egypt, get to know the people and their beleifs and their culture I am sure you will have different opinion.
02:44 AM on 02/16/2011
You don't get it either May. Because of their seperation of the sexes, Muslims who identify
as straight, are the worlds biggest practitioners of male on male sex. I'll let the ladies explain
their side. I'm cute ,small and blond and I've been having sex with Muslim men exclusively
for like 30 yrs now. I could write a book.
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04:53 AM on 02/16/2011
We have seen that when pogroms start against one group, they generally start against others. In Zimbabwe, the government first persecuted gays, then foreigners, then Christians.

Cultural relativists like you have blood on your hands for excusing this kind of behavior.
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09:34 PM on 02/15/2011
Yes, all the punditry over the peoples' "democracy" coming to Egypt.
So many confuse democracy with liberty and equal rights. There is far more to a free society than simply voting and it remains to be seen what sort of democracy Egypt will become.
09:18 PM on 02/15/2011
Thank you, Keli Goff! It's about time someone said it!
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religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
09:00 PM on 02/15/2011
Gay rights are gender rights. I've often wondered why women and gay rights groups in the US weren't allies, maybe because gender rights came decades before gay rights in the US.

That can change in Egypt. Egyptian women don't have equal rights either. This time women and gays should understand how similar their rightful demand for rights are. In both cases it's about roles, whether your gender or preference defines and limits you. I'm male and straight, but it always looked the same to me: seeing a person, not a gender or sexual preference.
09:52 PM on 02/15/2011
I've often wondered why women and gay rights groups in the US weren't allies, maybe because gender rights came decades before gay rights in the US.

__________ ?? Gay rights and women's rights have usually been allied. Many gay rights activists of the 70s came out of second wave feminism. Today, trans people are at the forefront of gender rights. As for Egypt, some of the Arab/Muslim world's most vocal theorists are out of Egypt. http://bit.ly/ibKuqm
ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
10:18 PM on 02/15/2011
I didn't see it actively, or even here on HP. I never saw an article by a feminist stating what I did. Which is why I posted, I was astounded that people apparently didn't see the connection. It's good that you did and do, and I think it's the way forward for the Muslim world. They should deal with both at once. We in the US had time to digest it all, they will have to deal with the "shock therapy" of equality all at once.

I saw it in my lifetime though it was slower. I was born in 1950, segregation still existed, saw racial, sexual, gender, gay rights in my lifetime. Wouldn't trade it for being young again :-)
02:52 AM on 02/16/2011
Gay men in the western world can relate to women and they are our allies. Muslim men
cannot relate to women, they can't even hold hands with them. But they can hold hands with each other.
10:13 PM on 02/15/2011
Very good point, thank you for that. I just wanted to make another point, and that is that we try not to use the term sexual "preference," as that implies it's a choice, which it isn't. The more accurate term is sexual "orientation." Thanks!
08:18 PM on 02/15/2011
Really?!? With all the problems these folks are going to face setting up a framework for governance, you are worried about LGBT issues now? Einstein said that the purpose of time was so that everything didnt happen at once. Prioritize people.
08:19 PM on 02/15/2011
Democracy for all, or all are not free. Priorities, indeed.
08:25 PM on 02/15/2011
Just remember we've been working on ours over 200 year and its still not perfect. Accept the good on the way toward perfection.
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Nil homini certum est
12:44 AM on 02/16/2011
You can't "set up a framework for governance" without making everyone inclusive. Now is the time to address the LGBT being recognized as a segment that need not live on the margin. That would be a priority.
05:03 AM on 02/16/2011
They give the same baloney excuses for other countries as they do here: straights first, lgbts last, or never.
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08:05 PM on 02/15/2011
Keli, get real, no way that the LGB population in any Arab/Muslim country is going to be given equality, or even recognized in any egalitarian way. After all, the US is probably as progressive in its approach to equality as any nation, but even here there are still endless struggles. Maybe in another hundred years, but certainly not today or tomorrow.
08:14 PM on 02/15/2011
Turkey comes close. http://bit.ly/e9h1FK

People should do at least a minute's worth of BASIC research before trying to comment on these issues.
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12:47 AM on 02/16/2011
People thought that Mexico, being a "macho" country would never recognize LGBT rights, yet, their constitution just passed same-sex laws recognizing the union - that went against the grain of conservatives and Catholics, but the people made it happen. It can happen in Egypt. Now.
02:09 AM on 02/16/2011
Nop it cannot!

Being muslim and devoted to religion is part of the Egyptian people identity. It will not change over night. besides why focusing on gays and lesbians rights rather than gender rights??
07:54 PM on 02/15/2011
I'm glad Keli wrote this article. The vast majority of the comments prove what I have been saying about all these socalled "progressives", who talked such big talk when it was time to indict Obama over DADT. But when it comes down to it, they still believe the same old socially conservative lies that have been crammed down their throats for eons -- that gay lives simply are not as important as that of the straights.
11:49 PM on 02/15/2011
Not at all, what we are saying is that our democracy wasnt created overnight and neither will Egypts. It took hundreds of years for us to get where we are and you cant expect Egypt to open up their society overnight. It is a process and it takes time. It is easy to sit in an office and write about equality it takes courage to move over there and fight for it. If Keli feels that strongly about this then go over there and be about it and not just write about it.
05:08 AM on 02/16/2011
Straw man.1- No one is calling for anything "overnight"? 2- there are lgbt groups in Egypt that have been working under totalitarian conditions for many years. Do you know who they are? Why not? Why don't you support them?
06:45 PM on 02/15/2011
Don't forget that under the Mubarak regime, the egyptian police would troll the gay chatrooms and entrap gay men by posing as gay men cruising for sex. Many gay men were arrested as a result of these sting operations. They were treated the same way that the United States treats child molestors.
03:27 AM on 02/16/2011
And don't forget that most of the gay men are then raped by the police who arrest them.
05:09 AM on 02/16/2011
And don't forget that most of the gay men are then raped by the police who arrest them.

__________And you know this because...