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Obama's Nanny-State Socialism

Posted: 11/21/11 09:45 AM ET

Governor Rick Perry called President Barack Obama a socialist who also loves his country. Those who support Western European-style socialist policies don't understand the power of private markets, or government's inefficiency and incompetence.

Answering a question from Bill O'Reilly, Governor Perry created a buzz by responding that President Obama is a socialist, though he was quick to add that the president loves his country and simply doesn't understand how America's market-based economy works. If the president understood the private sector, Governor Perry explained, he wouldn't pursue tax and regulatory policies that crush job-creators and prevent wealth creation.

There are two types of socialism. One is authoritarian socialism seen in the Eastern Bloc countries (many of which are now free-market economies) and some nations in Central and South America. It's used by harsh and oppressive authoritarian regimes that repress their people.

The other type of socialism is a big-government philosophy that uses wealth redistribution to fund a massive nanny state of cradle-to-grave entitlements. We see this type of socialism in many Western European and Mediterranean countries that are friends and allies of our country, such as Spain, Italy, France, and Greece.

Governor Perry was referring to this Western European socialism. President Obama believes that government has all the answers if led by enlightened leaders (as he fancies himself), and believes he will improve everyone's lot. Perry referenced Obama's infamous exchange with Joe the Plumber, where Obama infamously said when government spreads the wealth it's better for everyone.

The term "socialism" is misunderstood by many, and the Left spins it as if calling someone a socialist is a personal attack. They do this to avoid serious discussion of socialism's impact.

There are two components to socialism. It's a philosophy that government owes to everyone in society a certain standard of living. It includes government-provided or subsidized food, housing, education, and healthcare.

Socialism provides entitlements through massive taxation, and also believes that heavy government regulation leads to a better society. It does all this in the name of "social justice."

No honest person can deny that President Obama's policies fit these criteria. Government-run healthcare (and calling it a fundamental right, despite the fact that it's nowhere mentioned in the Constitution). Federal control of education. Government picking winners and losers in the economy.

History repeatedly shows that free markets work over time, and socialism does not. But we don't need to plumb the depths of world history. We have our own recent history.

Since Obamacare, employers have reported that they will have to drop insurance policies covering tens of millions of Americans, and Medicaid spending will increase by $434 billion by 2020.

After (partially) bailing out the housing market, housing remains a depressed and failing sector, and Fannie and Freddie have the gall to ask for $6 billion is additional taxpayer money while paying $13 million in bonuses to their executives.

And this administration deludes itself that it knows how to invest in business. So it gives $535 million in loan guarantees to Solyndra as a good investment, only to see the company promptly go bankrupt. Just for good measure the energy secretary illegally restructured this scam to pay off President Obama's fundraisers and stick you with the bill.

Arrogance and incompetence are a toxic combination. This White House and its cronies are overflowing with both. So Governor Perry argues that America needs someone new in the White House.

 
Governor Rick Perry called President Barack Obama a socialist who also loves his country. Those who support Western European-style socialist policies don't understand the power of private markets, or ...
Governor Rick Perry called President Barack Obama a socialist who also loves his country. Those who support Western European-style socialist policies don't understand the power of private markets, or ...
 
 
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12:54 PM on 12/09/2011
"Those who support Western European-style socialist policies don't understand the power of private markets, or government's inefficiency and incompetence."

That's right: Instead we understand the private market's inefficiency and incompetence! (Not to mention corruption and inequality.).
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Social Construct
Go left, young man.
07:09 PM on 11/21/2011
Neo-con political ideology in a nutshell:

Money good. Rich people have money. Rich people are good.
No money bad. Poor people have no money. Poor people are bad.

No wonder the GOP has become the party of no. They can't even decipher what the other side is saying.
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nick12788
Your move Antonius Block
12:07 PM on 11/22/2011
So true, so very true. Fanned !
11:08 AM on 01/18/2012
No. That's a word you've heard from youth. Can I have that boys bike? No. Can I work to buy my own bike? Yes. The GOP hasn't become the party of no. The Democratic party, following left-wing ideaology, has become the party of "you pay the tab." The Republicans believe in aid to those who need it, but not to feed them lifetime entitlements. Aid should be used to help people get on their feet and eventually have no use for it, not allow them to become slaves of the entitlement programs.
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Social Construct
Go left, young man.
08:03 PM on 01/18/2012
That would be a valid argument if there weren't a lot of supposition and urban myth. Using Reagan's welfare queen prattle because it feels right doesn't make it any more true.
02:30 PM on 11/21/2011
Wow. Hard to know where to begin. Honestly. "Two types of socialism" . . . "Heavy government regulation leads to a better society" . . . "wouldn't pursue tax and regulatory policies that crush job-creators and crush wealth creation." The sheer vacuousness of your talking-point laden article made me at first dismissive, but then made me angry. You people have a certain amount of conservative-though credentials, but I see no real thought in the above, no grounding in history or current reality. Yet this is the type of argument that gets play in conservative circles. You are supposed to be, I'm guessing, a couple of standard bearers for the intellectual right? Your hollow and echo-chamber approved regurgitations should really have no place in real political and policy arguments. Can we please have an adult discussion about taxation and regulation? It seems not. Even you sound unconvinced as you limply slink out of you piece, "So governer Perry argues that America needs someone new in the white house." Very forceful. Akin to, "So, governer Perry needs you to come in on Saturday, yeah, thanks." Hope it's Hawaiian shirt day soon!
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Opposition Research
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04:02 PM on 11/21/2011
That's what I tried to say in a nicer way, and it probably didn't end up quite so nice after all.

One more observation on the "sanctity of life" front:

FTA: "Government-run healthcare (and calling it a fundamental right, despite the fact that it's nowhere mentioned in the Constitution)."

Any Constitutional scholar worth is salt knows that fundamental rights are often not enumerated *because* they are so fundamentally obvious. That's why, historically speaking, we have the Ninth Amendment. There are fundamental rights that are, or should be, so basic that they need no itemization.

We so often hear about the "God-given right to life."

Well, if that's so, then we have a God-given right to health care, because health care protects life.
rixter1965
I'll respect your beliefs, but at least be consist
01:37 PM on 11/21/2011
There are two components to socialism AS PRACTICED BY REPUBLICANS. It's a philosophy that government owes to THE RICH AND POWERFUL in society a certain standard of living. It includes government-provided or subsidized profits AND, OF COURSE, SEEING ALL THE COSTS OF BUSINESS PAID BY TAXPAYERS -- FROM ENVIRONMENTAL CLEAN UP TO PAYING OFF BAD INVESTMENTS TO SHIPPING JOBS OVERSEAS.
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jimtodd
Unrepentant child of '60s
01:31 PM on 11/21/2011
Ah the Kens, blackheart and kluless. It would be interesting to know if adding Perry's IQ to the other two would disturb the average. Probably not.
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minerva117
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12:33 PM on 11/21/2011
The "cons" have spent 3 decades demonizing the word "socialism" while making sure that low information voters have only the vaguest and most skewed notion of what socialism is........in the fevered brain of the low info voter, socialism = taking from the honest, working stiff and giving to the lazy, shiftless ne'er-do-well.........what they don't realize is that everything they take for granted......paved roads, schools, police, fire department, parks, libraries, town halls, city halls, etc.....are the result of socialism........everyone kicks into the kitty and the money is distributed as needed to pay for these services........and yes, some of it is used to better the lives of the less fortunate.....look to your own Jesus for his views on how to treat "the least of these" (Matthew 25:33-40)
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RUKidding0
Freedom is Fundamental
01:13 PM on 11/21/2011
Actually, more than a century of abject and unremitting failure has demonized the term, "socialism" and every other term with "social" in it, which is the ONLYU reason that our Democrat Party doesn't proudly rename itself the Social Democrat Party.

You commit a worse error, however. "... paved roads, schools, police, fire department­, parks, libraries, town halls, city halls, etc....." ar­e most assuredly NOT the result of socialism.

They are ALL "public goods" and supported in the role of government by all by the most doctrinaire Libertarians. Now that you know, it is a LIE to pretend otherwise.

Finally, it is disingenuous in the extreme for a social democrat to appeal to Christian values when her own ideology is based on making secualrism into a religion.
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minerva117
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03:12 PM on 11/21/2011
Baaaaaahahahahahaha!!!!..............you know NOTHING about my ideology.......not one thing other than the fact that I agree with Jesus on Social values and apparently you Christians do not!!!......Priceless.......:-D
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egal
Reality disagrees with Conservative assessments
11:24 PM on 11/22/2011
Dictionary says:

public: maintained at the expense of, serving, or for the use of a community

socialism: a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of ownership and control in the community as a whole.

Therefore, public goods ARE primary elements of socialism.

You might be referring to Socialism, something else and something very specific. WHile Socialism has failed, socialism in a necessary aspect of a functioning Capitalistic or Democratic society according to the progenitors of the terms as we use them today.
jhNY
Mercy.
12:31 PM on 11/21/2011
"If the president understood the private sector, Governor Perry explained..." I think I see your problem, Mr. Blackwell. It's two-fold. Mr. Perry has no capacity upstairs to understand much of anything that manifests complexity, so he is no position to explain such things to anybody else.
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TheIndependenceParty
Cranky yankee and a rehabilitated ex-Republican
12:28 PM on 11/21/2011
What sort of free market exists for healthcare? There are no restraints upon what premiums they can charge, and profits the Big Insureco's can expect. The exorbitant share of the American GDP that is fed to those Corporate Behemoths is staggering compared to almost every developed country in the world. And the quality of care we receive for those dollars is pitiful compared to most countries. The "Big Lie" is that Americans deluded ourselves that we have the best healthcare on the Globe. We do not, nowhere even close.

Is it "socialism" to use state funds to build and maintain state universities, public roadways? Public schools? Poorhouses? Arguably yes.

The level of actual socialism has been dwindling in America and not rising. It is the advocation of corporate profit over public interest that is raging out of control in America. The privatization of public assets, prisons, toll roads, public parking, state stores, public parks, ... all have fallen across the country to sheer and utter corporate greed. Services fail and control is lost. Abuses are the hallmark of privatization in America!

Sorry, gentlemen, but the phrase "nanny state socialism" is a Frank Luntz loser. Saying it with two voices at once makes it sound even more ridiculous.

OWS is teaching Americans that our perceptions of Corporate Overreach are absolutely true. The tide has turned against greed and theft, fraud and untruths.

Your words do not ring hollow, ... They simply do not ring at all.
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vietveter
Wish ididnt know now what ididnt know then
12:27 PM on 11/21/2011
I really understand how the private sector works.

What he means is the public sector, at least that

whis for sale to the real private sector(if we had $$$)

The real,private sector is who should have been bailed out;

the banks were aware the economy was going broke and let it ride.

It would have made more sense to pay off all the home loans.

But we did not pay off the home loans to the real private sector;

and the only socialism the president knows anything about is

C O R P O R A T E S O C I A L I S M

(oh, you were talking about the government . . . that is owned by corporations too.)
12:13 PM on 11/21/2011
(Cont.)
If you truly believe in free market capitalism, then eliminate all legislative means for controlling any business that does not openly and unambiguously involve criminal enterprise. If there are consumers for such a business' goods/services, then the consumer should have unbridled choice (even if it is contrary to his/her interests--health, financial stability, or otherwise) and the business should be unencumbered to act to maximize profits.
There should be no policies, funds, programs, or anything else to enable government protection for or support of individuals or business, that is not explicitly set out in the U.S. Constitution.
12:11 PM on 11/21/2011
I for one will only respect as valid the position and arguments of U.S. conservatives once they have the intestinal fortitude to go along with their ideas and their real-world implications.
If you don't believe government funded or mandated healthcare, then complete eliminate medicare/medicaid, disability support or workplace injury compensation schemes. Those programs support the health of people (children, the infirm, the old) that haven't paid into the system, have not been able to or no longer can pay into the system on par with their demands on it, or may have made bad life choices or been struck with bad luck that result in others not directly responsible for the plight having to pay for their care.
If you don't believe in government redistribution of wealth, completely eliminate social security, or any form of government subsidized pensions or other social support payments. Those programs involve government taking money from individual citizens, putting it into a collective account, and then distributing the funds to other citizens.
Any sort of military verterans' healthcare or income support must also be eliminated on principle that the process and principle behind such programs are illegitimate. Also, veterans were paid for their service and should have known what the demands of the job ultimately might be (the job just happened to involve the risk of death or injury, but then so do any other number of occupations that would seemingly not deserve such benefits).
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01:20 PM on 11/21/2011
Well said. I'd add some stuff, but you know, it would detract from your fantastic verbiage. F/F
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nick12788
Your move Antonius Block
12:13 PM on 11/22/2011
Excellent F&F
12:04 PM on 11/21/2011
Wow, this article is a hot mess. It's own partisan hackery is exposed by its careless rhetoric; it assumes facts not already in evidence; and it represents Perry as an authority on anything. Sad, guys. You want to sound smart when you defend markets, not like a couple of hung-over college students working on a Poly-Sci book report.
12:32 PM on 11/21/2011
I have to agree. This is one of the weakest articles I've ever seen on here. It's laughable, not only for its authorship, but also for its substitution things like loaded terms ("Obamacare", or ' "social justice" ' {I guess you can just put a term you don't like in quotes to prove it's nonsense}), outright name-calling ( White House "cronies"), and criminal allegations (the whole point of the Solyndra smear) in place of a coherent argument.
11:59 AM on 11/21/2011
I notice you only mention the dysfunctional welfare states like Greece and Italy. Inconvenient, isn't it, to talk about Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and other countries that have more stable economies and have weathered the recession better than we have. Yes, most of them have small military forces, which is necessary in a welfare state, but is that a bad thing?
Think about it. The US has absolutely no need for a military as large as we have unless we use it to meddle in other countries. We are perhaps the country in the world most geographically and logistically invulnerable to attack, so why the enormous defense forces? Why not channel those resources into the health and education of our citizens?
Socialism is only a disaster if you are 1) the head of a corporation making obscene profits off the backs of non-unionized workers, 2) military contractors, 3) in the pocket of number 1 and 2.
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ClevelandLib
I stand with Planned Parenthood
12:23 PM on 11/21/2011
Our military is being used to further the business interests of multi-nationals and not for the purpose of defense.
11:56 AM on 11/21/2011
It's amazing how the right keeps peddling these same lies, as if mere repetition can make them true.

"History repeatedly shows that free markets work over time, and socialism does not. But we don't need to plumb the depths of world history. We have our own recent history."

History shows us no such thing. And we do have our own recent history - the socialist New Deal that created the great American middle class and ushered in our most prosperous era.

We also have Canada, Germany and the Scandinavian nations to look to - all of them more well educated, healthier and more prosperous than our own, with greater social mobility. And why? Socialism intelligently integrated into a controlled capitalist framework.

Unchecked capitalism is a danger to life, to liberty and to the pursuit of happiness for all except the 1%. We can't stop the corporatist right from spreading lies, but we can sure educate ourselves to stop listening to them.
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BBackSoon
Hello, I must be going.
01:02 PM on 11/21/2011
Yep the talking points of the Right are the same ones they have been using for most of the 20th century. But they get into office about half of the time, so why stop now?

The worst thing about allowing everyone to vote, it that it allows everyone to vote. That is quite a double edged sword.
nothingchanges
too soon old, too late smart
11:35 AM on 11/21/2011
I confess I am not a big fan of the The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, but something has to be done about runaway costs of healthcare and insurance in America.

Why are we paying over twice as much as most industrialized nations for health care, with outcomes that rate us 37th in the world (http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html) in efficacy?

Capitalism, and the free market principle only work when there is competition. Something we no longer have in the US.

When you're "Too Big To Fail" you aren't answerable to anyone.

Small wonder Big Business does what it wants.

The American taxpayer is the one who pays for their failures.
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ClevelandLib
I stand with Planned Parenthood
12:10 PM on 11/21/2011
Every 1st world nation on our globe, save the US, have instituted price controls on pharmaceuticals, that's why their drugs are so much cheaper than ours. We are basically the main profit center for Big Pharma...they gouge the heck out of us because they can't do it overseas. And our elected officials, especially Republicans but some Dems too, continue to protect the drug companies ability to rip us off.