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Redefining Tolerance: The Case of Chick-fil-A

Posted: 07/27/2012 4:38 pm

There has been a lot of clucking surrounding the comments Chick-fil-A COO Dan Cathy made on my radio show on June 16.

While discussing fatherhood with me, Dan Cathy expressed the following thoughts that have contributed to the media firestorm:

"I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage,'" Cathy said. "And I pray God's mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to define what marriage is about."

Listen to the entire interview with Dan Cathy.

In recent days activist bloggers, opportunistic politicians and the media have brought the culture war over re-defining marriage to a boil, inciting boycotts, protests and rallies of support.

I have no desire to join the debate over the definition of marriage. However, I ask questions for a living and I am quite comfortable asking the necessary questions to provoke a public conversation about civility in our public discourse.

I have observed and been engaged in the reaction on both sides of this story. I have come to the troubling conclusion that the uproar is not fueled by the debate on same sex marriage, rather the primary issue has become the tension between conviction and tolerance.

Lost in the media sound bytes and bumper sticker accusations is the question we should all be asking. Has tolerance been re-defined? It seems to me that there is a double standard on tolerance.

In a war of words, the words we use should matter. A search in the dictionary for tolerance is helpful. Tolerance is defined as a "fair, objective and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, differ from one's own."

Increasingly, we see a well-oiled publicity machine that is redefining tolerance as, "either you agree with me or you need to button your lips." Those who throw the labels of intolerance and bigotry at those who share an opposing opinion are ironically modeling a glaring lack of tolerance.

Who among us would disagree that what we believe and how we see the world are indeed very personal? Each of us get to choose what we believe. Does our opinion hold greater value than those we disagree with?

How then should we as members of a civilized society react when someone says something we passionately disagree with or find personally offensive?

It is natural to allow our emotions to get the best of us and hurl nasty names and accusatory monologues in the media or from behind our computer monitors. It is easy to vilify another on Twitter and post snarky comments on blogs and Facebook. These actions are lazy and irresponsible. We can do better.

There is a great divide between strong convictions and hateful actions. A civil society can and must discern between the two.

I believe that true tolerance can only exist in the tension of civil disagreement and dialogue. Stand for what you believe in and engage in the public discourse but do so with civility and true tolerance for those who see the world differently.

What would happen if we engaged in conversations with those we passionately disagree with?

It is time for those engaged in contentious debate to put the pitchforks down, pick up some coffee cups and have some messy conversations. Messy conversations lead to healthy conversations. Healthy conversations lead to understanding. Understanding those whom we disagree with leads to pure tolerance.

Times have certainly changed yet America's melting pot DNA has not. Our future as a great society depends largely on our ability to live alongside those who believe and act differently than us. The world will continue to change but Americans right to express their beliefs will not.

I am highly skeptical that either side in the marriage debate, or any other social or political debate for that matter, will change the others position. However, I am quite certain that it is difficult to be angry with or accuse one of bigotry while conversing over coffee.

To those who would join me in the messy middle, I take my coffee with cream and sugar.

 

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02:47 AM on 08/25/2012
Yes, agree that no one taking or claiming to take an indifferent (neither for nor against) position on important topics like this like heated fights and name-calling; but that doesn't mean a cup of coffee will change it. You doubt that any on either side will change the others' position, then why invite them to converse or dialog? It will not result in anything we can actually direct law society with; all we'll end up doing is pushing back and forth redundantly because it is also natural to not want to admit it when the facts, history, biology, anthropology, etc. do not support one's position. Look, nice try, but there is more than meets the eye going on here and dispersing the focus onto superficial, inconsequential things like coffee Mac vs PC or Spiderman vs Dark Knight or iPhone vs Blackberry vs Android will just get us going in a charade of peacefulness.
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02:19 AM on 08/03/2012
I suppose some of us have redefined tolerance - and those people are hypocritically insisting it is everyone else who has done so. Their version is: "tolerate our hatred of you, but we won't tolerate you complaining about our hatred." Coleman's reaction is painfully typical of (for example) whites who see blacks having equal rights as a threat to them, due to their inability to see just how privileged they have always been. Same here. Let the downtrodden dare to speak up against the torrent of abuse that has always flowed their way, let gays stand up & demand the rights people like Coleman have been denying them all their lives, & suddenly it's the GAYS & their allies who are "intolerant"! Along with the falsehood that "active discrimination" = "free speech" (because it's not just the nasty words Cathy has been hurling that upsets gays & their allies, but the dollars he's been throwing at hate groups who exist solely to deny rights to gays - or, as in the case of Operation Exodus in Uganda, to KILL gays), Coleman trots out the lame trick of claiming that intolerance of intolerance is somehow the only real intolerance. As easy as it is to skewer these tired sawhorses, I do find myself wishing that they'd come up with new & interesting ways to excuse their hate, and blame it on the targets.
03:12 PM on 08/03/2012
Great post, NoOne. I know of no gay who wants to deprive straights of their rights. The right to spend your life with the partner of your choice in a legally-recognized union is a basic part of the human experience.
02:55 PM on 08/02/2012
It's not about religious beliefs, Cayhys' or anyone elses. It's about one religious dogma being forced on the rest of us. I'm all for religious freedom as long as it doesn't trump mine or someone elses. People can quote Bible verses all they want and can believe anything they want. They can even hold outdated and bigoted beliefs if that's what floats their boats as long as they keep them it to themselves. They don't have the right to force their beliefs on the rest of us by passing laws that infringe on the rights and beliefs of others. DOMA is just plain bad law and is unAmerican as far as I am concerned. And criticizing the picking and choosing of their beliefs, once again, is fair game if they conveniently choose to ignore others. Jesus didn't say one word about homosexual marriage, but he did say a lot about heterosexual divorce, he was against it, but most people these days are okay with not going along with Jesus on that one. Beliefs are just beliefs, they are not necessarily facts to society as a whole. This is the USA, not Iran. Fundamentalism here is just as bad as fundamentalism there.
11:49 AM on 08/02/2012
I don't agree with hateful and bigoted things no matter who says them. If Cathy had said, "I don't agree with gay marriage," we would not be having this discussion, but he used the words "prideful" and "arrogant." Those words are insulting and intolerant and when they show up in discussion, civility is lost. Once you peel away the hate, bigotry, etc... we are left asking ourselves, "do we really want a company whose leader has opened up a can of hate and bigotry in our community?" and for me the answer is no. That doesn't mean Cathy no longer has the freedom to speak, it just means that I have the freedom to not support what he said.
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02:20 AM on 08/03/2012
Of course he used those words. It's in the nature of bigots to accuse their targets of having *their (the bigots')* own flaws.
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SylvreWolfe
04:19 PM on 08/01/2012
If it were as simple as Cathy saying he supports "traditional marriage", whatever the hell that is, then there wouldn't be this uproar. But they regularly donate to organizations and politicians that outright try to ban same sex marriage, homosexuality in general, and organize boycotts and protests against the marriage equality companies and people. He isn't just expressing an opinion, which he has every right to do, he financially supports organizations that discriminate against gays. His company is also being sued in several sex discimination cases for firing, coercing, and mistreating female employees to the point they are forced to quit, because women should know their place. Which apparently, in the minds of these "family values" people, is in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.

The company also blatantly lied about why the partnership with The Jim Henson Company ended. Not exactly biblical values there, people.
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06:42 PM on 08/03/2012
Not only do they claim the right to donate money to anti-gay causes, but they seem offended when people refuse to spend their money where it might end up in a in a place that is inimical to their interests. I've never managed to get any of those who support the chicken place to say what the alternative is. That would seem to me that THEIR logical alternative would be to force people to buy the stuff. Stalinism at its best.
01:47 PM on 08/01/2012
I think the stance being made by the LGBT community is completely right. In this case, Chick-fil-a as a company should not be supported by those who disagree with their stance on Gay Marraige. Why? Because that chicken sandwich you buy is going to support groups that are fighting against Gay Marriage! The company and the political stance are now meshed into one, due to the choice to support those groups. Getting upset that people are calling for a boycott is not right. Its as if you are italian, and McDonalds is found to donate money to groups that are anti-italian. You will not want to support a company that is trying to harm your personal efforts. If the LGBT community didn't boycott Chick-Fil-A, I would be in awe
09:09 AM on 08/01/2012
My problem with the anti- Chick Fil A people is this. Their assertion that supporting traditional marriage equals hatred and bigotry is absurd. Here's a response from the gay community I would respect: "Dan Cathy believes in traditional marriage; we disagree with him. If you disagree as well, we encourage you not to patronize Chick Fil A." Other than that, the anti chick file crowd should just shut the fuck up.
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02:23 AM on 08/03/2012
Just because YOU say it's absurd? I say it's true, & I'm *in* a traditional marriage. Your argument is the same as the slave owners who insisted that saying a black man was a full & equal human being was absurd. & he had the same reasons as you for saying it, too. As for your prideful & arrogant attempt to limit how people are going to fight back against discrimination, I respectfully say to you to shut the fuck up.
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MontanaSouth
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11:59 AM on 08/04/2012
We disagree with Chick Fil A donating money to organizations who actively attack the rights of other citizens. He has the right to believe anyway he wishes. But as others have said, when he weds those opinions to political action against other citizens, that is reason to boycott. I don't want any of my coins to be placed in those baskets.
09:39 PM on 07/31/2012
I am neither prideful or arrogant. I am a 46 yr. old American male who would like to marry my longtime partner. I pay the same taxes as every other citizen, yet we are treated as second class. I'm frustrated and tired of it. Period.
03:17 PM on 08/03/2012
Chaz, I am straight, which is not my choice. I am a long-time ally of the LBGTQ community & adamantly support gay marriage. Incidentally, have you ever actually seen that mysterious memo about the 'gay agenda?' Other than the right to live like other hardworking taxpayers, I am not aware of agenda.
02:00 PM on 07/31/2012
Thank you Ken. It was a great interview.
These are how things should go. The valley is messy, but that is where the food grows.

K, bye
12:02 PM on 07/31/2012
It is interesting to me that some of the comments on this article are still debating same-sex marriage. I'll tell you my belief is that same-sex marriage should be legal because I see nothing wrong with it, but that isn't what this is about. Listen to what the man is saying here. Have an actual conversation with people who disagree with you before you start pulling up random "facts" you think you have and arguing with them. The world is so big it would be ridiculous to think everyone has the same opinion. It would also be ridiculous to think that you're not going to get into arguments over certain beliefs. However, what this guy is saying is basically try and listen to the other side. Have a conversation and learn something. Put down your pride and examine your beliefs with someone else. You'll never get anywhere unless you're willing to challenge yourself so why wouldn't you be willing to challenge your beliefs with someone who has a different opinion?

I'll admit I am not 100% tolerant because I honestly believe people who think that being gay is wrong are completely ignorant and have a lot to learn, but I am working on accepting them as people though I will not accept their beliefs. After reading this article I will say it may be more productive to have an actual conversation with someone like that rather than spitting out accusations and saying "I'm right and you're wrong."
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02:27 AM on 08/03/2012
Do you realize that you are asking people to respect the belief of those who think that gays should be 2nd class citizens? To insist that equal rights supporters should have to accept the premise of those who are wrong is to ask them to just give up discussing it at all. The real problem is that Cathy & those like them are trying to violate the Constitution by making their specific religious beliefs into the law of the land (the fact that gays have always historically been denied their rights notwithstanding)

The problem is that we already know their reasons, & they ARE wrong. They won't listen to any reasoning, respectful or otherwise. We are just going to have to fight them & beat them down. It's the 50's & 60's all over again, & this time, we shouldn't make the mistake of trying to respect the feelings of those who have no sense.
06:58 AM on 08/03/2012
Whoa. I think maybe you misunderstood me. That is not what I'm saying at all. I do not think they will listen to reason or just a conversation at all, but that's not the point of the article. This guy is just using that as an example and all I meant by my comment really was basically that I wish people would be more like that because I see some truth to what he's saying. There's people like me and you who obviously think the right way and believe there's nothing wrong with being gay. We don't have to respect the opposite views belief, but we do have to accept that it is one and go at them in an intelligent way. Fighting hate with hate doesn't really do much in my opinion but just create more problems. I'm not saying let's all have a friendly chat either. Truth is, I'm not suggesting anything. I honestly just thought it was an interesting article on tolerance and I'm disappointed at how many people aren't getting what it's actually about, but just commenting on the example he used.
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12:14 PM on 08/04/2012
I understand your point. Dialogue is always good. At some point however, one must stand up against oppression. In my own family, I and my siblings have had to learn to tolerate each others views, we are a very diverse family. However, that doesn't mean we don't take action when those views hurt others. In my experience, tolerance is not a huge part of many fundamental religions, but those of us who are areligious are expected to tolerate their intolerance without action because that would impinge on their religious freedom. Should we sit down and have a discussion about issues such as honor killings or female circumcision? Both are considered in some cultures to be acceptable. Admittedly, those are dire examples. I have little problem with a diversity of beliefs that are held by different individuals as long as those beliefs have not oppressive effect on anyone else. If they do, I have no tolerance for them.
01:17 PM on 08/04/2012
I agree with you. I do not think that people who do or believe horrible things will listen to a conversation. All I'm saying is I WISH people were more like that. I WISH people would act more like the author says. I've been through my share of battles and I did not just sit down and think others would simply listen to me. I am not saying, at all, this is how people should be treating Cathy. However, people were commenting on that issue when that's not what the article is about. The author is basically just saying it would be nice if people could act in this way. I think it would. And, yes, there is a point when tolerance ends. I don't have tolerance for a good amount of people, like I said in my first post. All in all, what I'm saying is, the world is going to have battles and yes, we are going to have to fight for what we believe in, but I do see this point also. Sometimes a smarter route is to sit down and have an actual discussion. When the other side isn't willing to, like Cathy, we should take action. This is what I've been saying the whole time. If I didn't make myself clear then hopefully you understand me now. Basically, we're saying the same thing. You don't have to try to convince me that we have to fight for what we believe in.
11:57 AM on 07/31/2012
http://www.boycottchickfila.com
11:23 AM on 07/31/2012
Basically, Dan Cathy said the same thing that President Obama has said until he needed some extra gay votes. Same words, yet one results in outrage and boycotts and one got millions of liberal votes to become President. The words and intent obviously don't matter if liberals love the person saying them.
07:00 PM on 07/31/2012
I beg to differ. I don't have a problem with Dan Cathy stating what he believes in and making use of his first amendment right. I applaud him for that! However, I don't think President Obama made donations to support anti LGBT organizations when he first defined his view on gay marriage. It's not about the words but about the actions behind those words. They speak loud and clear...
10:48 AM on 08/01/2012
Wait, do not words from the MOST IMPORTANT PERSON ON THE PLANET carry any impact or actions?? Seriously??
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04:24 PM on 08/01/2012
We don't have any proof that Obama donated millions of dollars to groups that deny equal rights to gays and politicians that support outlawing homosexuality and even criminalizing it. One even has affiliations with a "christian rock band" that supports killing gays. Cathy has donated to groups that have supported the effort in several nations of Africa to ban homosexuality with the punishment being death.

Yeh, a bit different there.
11:40 PM on 08/01/2012
The level of "proof" that people on HuffBlog need to throw out accusations isn't enough for reasonable people.
02:09 PM on 08/02/2012
Where is this "proof" everybody keeps throwing about? I see a lot of statements made as fact but without the evidence to support it. Looking at Chick-Fil-A's website, I see they have formed the WinShape foundation...as posted on their site: Building Leaders, Shaping Winners
Truett Cathy believes leadership is vital to the success of our country. Developing future leaders among youth has been one of Truett's chief priorities throughout his more than 60 years in business.

Nothing demonstrates this commitment as well as the WinShape Foundation. Created in 1984 to help "shape winners," the foundation supports a variety of programs, including a long-term foster care program, a summer camp for more than 1,900 children each year, a scholarship program in conjunction with Berry College and marriage enrichment retreats.

Hmm, nothing anti-gay there. Checked their marriage retreats....preparing for marriage, strengthening a marriage, saving a marriage...nope, nothing anti-gay there either.

This band you refer to, does it have a name or haven't you made one up yet?

Have any reputable links (not WikiPedia) to back up your claims?
08:15 AM on 07/31/2012
Tolerance is not an appropriate response to issues that effect politics. Chick-Fil-A's position on this issue directly supports PACs that aim to legislate on this issue. This is a new and uncomfortable position that the American public finds itself in. Now, after the Supreme Court's decision in Citizen's United allowing unlimited campaign contributions by corporations, we have redefined consumer's relationship with their spending power. Its about voting with your dollars now.
06:44 AM on 07/31/2012
Comparing homosexuals "right" to marry with the civil rights movement of blacks is absurd. Actually it's an insult to black people who experienced real bigotry and inequality based on something they can't control...the color of their skin. And please don't tell me that people are born gay. There is absolutely no scientific study(, i.e., a study conducted using the scientific method, with a large enough sample and control group that is published in a peer reviewed scientific publication), that proves sexual orientation is assigned at birth. Until I see compelling scientific evidence to the contrary, I believe homosexuality is a choice.
10:48 AM on 07/31/2012
Why would anyone "choose" to join a vilified minority? Did you choose to be straight? I realized I was straight when I noticed on my first day in fifth grade how my friend Susie's shape had changed over the summer. There is plenty of testimony from gays and lesbians that their experience with sexual awakening was similar to mine. They realized they were gay; they didn't decide to be gay. And by the way, there are no scientific studies showing that people are born straight.

And who are you to judge? Don't all Americans have civil rights whether you approve of their sexuality or not?
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GarbaGreto
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03:32 PM on 07/31/2012
Therefore heterosexuality is a choice too, right. Assuming that you are straight, when did you choose to be so?
12:16 AM on 07/31/2012
"I am highly skeptical that either side in the marriage debate, or any other social or political debate for that matter, will change the others position."

I am highly skeptical that you even understand the issue. The issue isn't a "war of words". The issue is that your religion can't void my civil rights and my religion can't deprive you of yours. Or shouldn't. That's the Constitution.

What in the world is so hard to understand about this ? It's not about "convincing" the other side. They don't have to agree. It's about "the Constitution supersedes religions (all and any of them) in secular matters". And this is a secular matter, since we are talking about marriage licenses, not about forcing priests to bless those marriages.
Why has someone else's religion or belief a say in how I pay my taxes, for example ? Can you answer that, please ?

I'm pretty sure there were a lot of former slave owners who were very vocal and disagreeing when slavery was abolished. Did that have an effect on the former slaves' civil rights ? Apparently not. That's the whole point.
02:13 PM on 08/02/2012
God's law supersedes even the Constitution.
04:14 PM on 08/02/2012
Only on the inside of your church.
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02:37 AM on 08/03/2012
No, sweetie - this is America. Go move to the Vatican City - you'll be happier, there.