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No List, No Chance!

Posted: 05/21/2012 11:11 am

Boomer dating is definitely a contact sport. The bruises are just on the inside. I wrote a wish list of 20 qualities I want in my next Boomer lover in response to Ann Brenoff's wish list for hers. I described my boomer lover honestly and candidly, and with qualities I feel I have in equal amounts. While I didn't fit Ann's profile particularly well, that didn't elicit anger or cynicism, but rather the acknowledgment that I'm not her cup of tea. So the level of anger and cynicism from hundreds of women frankly puzzled me.

The women's negative comments (among the more than 1,000 the article received) were actually more of an insult to boomer women than to me, since nearly all suggested that no such Boomer woman exists. Nonsense, of course they do, and in very large numbers. If a woman didn't see herself on my list, that doesn't make my list an insult to women, but simply that she didn't fit my particular profile. Finding a partner who matches you in critical ways has never been simple or easy. It requires well-thought-out, considered criteria. It also requires good self-esteem.

Since my wish list didn't contain a single quality I wasn't capable and prepared to offer in return, what bubbled up for me was that women were simply expressing their frustration with Boomer dating, and I can understand that. Meeting an angry or emotionally unbalanced man who hasn't bothered to do the work to resolve his issues can feel like something is wrong with all men in short order.

Of course that's stretching the truth, but it doesn't take many bad experiences to paint a scary picture. Anger and cynicism repel potential partners and continue a disappointing cycle. I urge women to sublimate their cynicism, at least to the extent that the man sitting in front of you can be seen for who he actually is, rather than as the next man in a long line of dysfunctional men, hell-bent on using and abusing women.

Some comments suggested that meeting someone and just letting the relationship develop seems more natural. Boomer men and women don't have time to waste in another bad relationship that could have been avoided with a minimal amount of simple vetting. Not to have any list suggests that you have no clear idea who you are in terms of your own qualities, don't know what you're looking for, and can't articulate what's important to you. Absent a list as a starting point, there's lots of wasted time and little hope for success.

My wish list celebrates evolving, healthy, post 50 women who are working to reach their maximum potential -- and to view it otherwise, demeans them and misses the point entirely. My desire to meet a woman who is in good shape seems fair since I'm in good shape, even though many women insisted I must be a fat, old, bald guy who really wants a 20-year-old if I want a Boomer woman who is in shape. That's an insult to midlife women, because it isn't remotely true, since many Boomer women are in great shape, have a positive self-image, and eat healthy and exercise. Since I follow a healthy eating and exercising regimen, and am in shape, I can't fathom why wanting to meet an in-shape Boomer woman triggered so much vitriol.

But mostly what I heard was that I had a nerve to have any wish list at all, and that I must have a really high opinion of myself to aim so high. I do have a high opinion of myself, and it comes from working hard on resolving my issues in a men's group, as well as some individual therapy, for many years to become the best man possible. I'm in great physical and emotional shape, and am enthusiastic and joyful about each day in my life, so it seems fair and reasonable that I should want to meet a woman who is in the same physical and emotional space in her life.

We all want to be met in a relationship, which means finding a partner who can return our qualities in kind. It's unrealistic to think being equally matched isn't important, or that major inequalities can be successfully ignored.

I urge post 50s to seek their equal partner. Making a list of what you consider your non-negotiable qualities is simply smart dating. We're not all the same, and we don't all want the same things in life. Finding a partner who embodies most of these qualities is a rational dating plan. Fantasizing and projecting whom we want the person sitting in front of us to be, instead of asking the relevant questions is foolish, and not a smart dating strategy. Finding your next lover involves intention, candor, critical thinking, and chemistry, not luck.

 
 
 
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Boomer dating is definitely a contact sport. The bruises are just on the inside. I wrote a wish list of 20 qualities I want in my next Boomer lover in response to Ann Brenoff's wish list for hers. I d...
Boomer dating is definitely a contact sport. The bruises are just on the inside. I wrote a wish list of 20 qualities I want in my next Boomer lover in response to Ann Brenoff's wish list for hers. I d...
 
 
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05:56 PM on 05/29/2012
I'll be 50 in a few months, I don't have children, never been married and never been in love. Yes, I'm overweight but, I workout and I'm in better shape today than I was 10 years ago, I read Mr. Solin's list and surprisingly 90% of it resonnates with me (I believe your next Boomer lover is out there). Reading these posts I beginning to believe that I shouldn't expect much; should I start my cat collection now?
04:53 PM on 05/27/2012
I'm curious ... It makes me laugh when I read the stories from posters that responded to this clip about how damn perfect they were as a spouse. If so, why are they single? Narcissistic and arrogance comes to mind. I'd like to hear the real story from their ex.

I read it several times a week in the profiles on OkCupid. It makes me sick!
04:39 PM on 05/27/2012
I've found an easy way to test a man's character. I give him my "road test".

Drive to a mall at rush hour and watch his reaction to the traffic. Does he snarl at the other drivers or is he courteous when they cut in. Watch him park his car .... does he hog the space or make it difficult for the car beside him to move? And when he's leaving and if there's someone waiting to slip into his space, does he delay and fiddle with the mirror and keys, showing his "right" to the space. All of these thiings are red flags for his everyday behaviour.

I want a man with a sense of humor, a kind heart and not a trace of meaness. Obviously there are other factors too .... no tobacco and heavy drinking .... and please don't be stingy or fuss constantly over your 'healthy lifestyle". Just be relaxed and happy and ready to enjoy friendship and fun.
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jf12
When I saw her I marveled greatly.
09:11 AM on 05/29/2012
It far easier to drop you off at the entrance, then whip into any old space. Otherwise we're doomed to endlessly circling the lot, trying for a closer spot so you won't have to walk far (even though we'll be carrying your packages), or block traffic vainly hoping that the woman talking on her cell phone with the reverse lights on will actually back out of her space.
02:17 AM on 05/30/2012
Actually that's a pretty good solution to skip the "test". However I never circle looking fora closer spot. I walk. Never could understand "saving a step". And I got my first cell phone a week ago ... and can't operate the damned thing in a perfectly quiet room let alone a car. ( Actually I learned to drive about five years ago .... and I'm approaching seniority) ,

You'd get "brownie" points from me for even offering to carry my packages. Haven't seen that courtesy for years.
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01:51 AM on 05/30/2012
you want a sweet person, who doesn't smoke or drink, who likes going to the mall with you and doesn't have a "healthy lifestyle" ??! that should be easy to find in today's world ... a man might be harder.

but who the hell fiddles with their mirrors to delay someone from parking ? or "hog" a space? Until you, I have never even heard of that ...
02:21 AM on 05/30/2012
Nope. Never mentioned "sweet" .... that's a female word. Not do I want to go to the mall. I mention a mall as the best place to test one's patience, cetainly not a place to hang out. I hate them.

And if you've ever tried to get out of a hotel parking lot in Waikiki, you will find the worst space hogs in the world. Just watch the next time you're in a crowded parking facility ... I'm pretty sure you'll run into one of these characters shortly,even on the Mainland.
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02:41 PM on 05/27/2012
Wanted: good woman to cook, sew, clean and iron. Must be in good physical shape. Will need to adjust to my pit bull, Gripper. Must have at least a 24 foot boat with working motor and trailer. Please send picture of boat ASAP.
06:22 PM on 05/27/2012
I'll send you a picture of my boat if you send me a picture of your airplane.
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11:57 AM on 05/29/2012
And Gripper.
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abhorson
in favor of legalized bar fighting
01:52 AM on 05/30/2012
have you spoken to Gripper about this ?? and, more importantly, you didn't mention "must know how to fix motor" ...
02:21 PM on 05/27/2012
This all sounds too much like "scorekeeping" to me. I have been happily married for 16 years and one of the secrets for me has been to not "keep score." I have a friend who tracks everything his spouse does or doesn't do and holds a bag of resentment around his neck like a huge weight. If overall you love someone for who they are then let them be themselves and stop "keeping score" of what's in it for you.
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02:13 PM on 05/27/2012
..Well, l have been in the dating 'pool' for 5 years; am in my 50's...and we should definitely have a list; a list of what we do not want....and my conclusion after 5 years is this...remember the skit from SNL years ago where it showed a 'not perfect' couple holding hands and walking over a bridge? :) ... and then the screen shows this simple phrase...'Lowered Expectations'....well, there you have it, people..and it ain't pretty out there; figuratively and literally :)
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count4eternity
Grace greater than all our sin!
01:11 PM on 05/27/2012
Excellent article, except that using the word "lover" has the ring of expecting premarital intimacy, to me.

I am 58, female, and doubt I would ever want to marry again. However I adore men, and prefer male friends, probably because I tend to be more analytical than emotional.

I can see both sides of the fitness issue. I know many women who worked like slaves for their families, caring for children and dying parents, sometimes even while working to help support the family. Perhaps she even put her husband through college, or cared for his dying parents.

Now she finds herself alone, overweight and looking old, because she neglected herself to care for everyone she loved. She visits singles websites and learns that - while Maralyn Monroe was a size 14, she is now expected to be a size 8 or smaller...

She might be able to get down to a ten, but then there is the gravity issue. Men are very visual, and even checkout lanes display airbrushed perfection. Can she face a wedding night, at this age? Oh for an impotent man!

As the old song says "I never want to try that hard...I just want someone I can talk to. I want you just the way you are."
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Sharon M Rybak
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01:07 PM on 05/27/2012
PPL, please get real!! No man wants a boomer who is not built like a model....and I was told that by an older man!! At 62, widowed, I tried dating a bit... a.very disapppointing venture, to say the least! I had a mis-guided notion that by the time a man reached an older age, he would have sense!! What I found were guys who wanted to jump from their p/c to my bed, before meeting me! (lol) I am content without drama, and am very fortunate to have met the wonderful man I married, 40-sum yrs. ago!!
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jf12
When I saw her I marveled greatly.
09:14 AM on 05/29/2012
Hey girl.

Speaking about reality, did you notice that guys wanted to jump to your bed? How then do you justify to yourself saying that "No man wants a boomer who is not built like a model"? Do you truly not see the contradiction?
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11:49 AM on 05/29/2012
There isn't any.

Wanting to jump into her bed does not necessarily equal relationship, much less romance or love.

Maybe Sharon wanted to be romanced, adored and revered, the way these men would treat the models, rather than having them jump into her bed without much ceremony.

Strange, I know.
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12:51 PM on 05/29/2012
Re: being a man

Yes, but knowing how "precious" (= out of reach for the ordinary guy) the model was, you'd put more effort into wooing and keeping her. Which would mean you'd pace your jump-into-bed urges and their expression in order to secure her acceptance and attention.

Bottom line, these guys showed both desperation and disrespect for Sharon. She was wise to ignore them.
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12:05 PM on 05/27/2012
I am 56, and divorced since, 1997, no kids (by choice). I don't date, but have several male friends, any one who I would consider for a relationship. I have a lot to offer to the right man: calm, easy-going, good-natured, unpretentious, non-materialistic, creative, kind, no emotional baggage, gentle, with a slightly absurd sense a humor. If I was a man, I'd be DELIGHTED to have a woman like me!

If I was to date again, the non-negotiables would be 1) non-smoker 2) must love animals, especially dogs 3) 3) no addictions (drugs, alcohol, porn, betting, etc.) 3) Must be emotionally balanced!
I dont care if a man is short, bald, has a soft belly,(in fact, I tend to prefer short, bald, softbellied men!) Income is also a non-issue, as long as he is self-supporting in a legal, ethical and honest way.

I would ask a man these questions on a first date: What is your passion? What are the 3 most important lessons you have learned from past relationships? When was the last time you lost your temper, and why? The answers to those questions will help me decide if I should end the date, or if this guy is worth shaving my back for!
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Natalie Steutterman
iF LIFE GIVES YOU LEMONS.........MAKE LEMONADE!
12:47 PM on 05/27/2012
Hmmmmm is this a dating site all of a sudden??? Lol ..... Seems like everyone is "selling" themselves here .
11:45 AM on 05/27/2012
Hate to bust your bubble Ken, but my list looks a little like this, and I am 59. Good provider, good cook, outdoors or inside. Not a strong baker, but fair. Cleans house, washes, mops, sweeps, folds clothes and puts them up. cleans off the dinner table. Rinses dishes and loads and empties the dishwasher. When I had a wife, and I got home in time, I always had her meal ready. Takes care of the yard. Humours, off the cuff weekend driving trips. I never raise my voice or say demeaning things. I always treat a lady as GOD intended for her to be treated, with respect.
I am quite healthy. Everyone thinks that I am 10 years younger than my age, but I have personal goals that I am currently working towards. This takes time. I respect your opinion. I wish you and everyone the best. No one deserves loneliness!
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Gary H Mayer
01:54 PM on 05/27/2012
oldergoat: 'If it sounds too good to be true, it isn't.' If I wasn't a heterosexual male (and I assume you are also) I would want to marry you!

I am 70, live alone (but not lonely) and I don't do any of the things you do, except keep my house clean. I would prefer a wealthy woman (I need a new Cadillac) who could hire you to do all of the things you say you do, while her and I go on lavish vacations, have homes in the north and south (or southwest) and dine out in gourmet restaurants.
02:16 PM on 05/27/2012
That sounds like Ken Solin's list. Make sure the vacation is to Paris, to be classy enough for his taste. No Disneyland vacations.
04:00 PM on 05/27/2012
LOL! Thanks for the compliment Gary, I think? I'm 100% heterosexual male. The issue I faced was lack of reciprocation. I finally got tired of it. Gave her everything she wanted and helped her pick out a place plus paid to move her. Of course when I ever sale this 2 acres she will get half of that as well. I'm not particularly looking to remarry. Don't really know that I would want to. I'd like the same things you are looking for in a woman, plus I will give her everything I have to offer, along with foot, shoulder and body massages. They are special like beautiful flowers and need to be treated that way. They work just as hard as men whether outside or inside the home.
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11:53 AM on 05/29/2012
You sound like my dad.

What happened to your wife? And why are you still single (are you)? (Don't answer if you don't want to, BTW.)
05:42 PM on 05/29/2012
He is a great man! LOL!!
over a 38 year period she has divorced me three times and I chase her down and remarry her. Last time was 11/01.97. She plled that I'm not happy crap again and left for a couple of months last year and I said you do it this time I will be the Petitioner and I was. Happy camper now. Just need to find a female friend don't want a wife.
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11:38 AM on 05/27/2012
What I found ironic was the very small print in this article. After all, at 61 my vision is still perfect. Sure. I, of course, have such a list, and like New Year's resolutions and my weekend to-do list it is utterly disposable. I take a longer view of things now, strange because time is quickly running out. One thing I do know: the right person, the right time, we can have some fun.
11:27 AM on 05/27/2012
I read this article and wonder why anyone would be oppossed to the author's side of this issue. We all walk through life and make choices along the way that make us who we are today. If he has worked hard on his physical and emotional health to be the best he can be, why settle? More importantly, the way I see it, is to always find your joy, happiness, peace of mind and contentment from within, from being who you are as a human being, before worring about finding someone. By the way, the power of attraction most times supercedes anything that has to do with physical appearance. I am sure that you have seen what you believed to be mis-matches many times while looking at couples over the years, and your discerning eye dismissed what was seen as an aberation, something that you could never accept for your wonderful perfect selves. We can't help who we are and what attracts us personally, but beauty IS in the eye of the beholder, and that is something that will always be.
11:06 AM on 05/27/2012
Yeah, the idea partner is out there somewhere. Supposedly. Just not around here
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Gary H Mayer
01:55 PM on 05/27/2012
natal plum: You must live where I do.
10:09 AM on 05/27/2012
I’m months away from turning 50 and I too have a list that men are offended by. I have to have a body, mind and spirit connection with a man and won’t settle for less. My relationship with God and my church are very important to me. If we don’t connect there, nothing else matters so we can’t go forward at all. I’m also very into health/wellness and my take on someone who is overweight, eats poorly, doesn’t exercise and is on various medications that could be eliminated by the discipline of lifestyle changes is that they don’t care enough about themselves to take care of them. Thank God that I can say I have no diseases or illnesses but how could or why would I trust him to take care of me should something happen? To me, having a list shows that at this stage in your life, you’ve hopefully worked through your issues and will be bringing your best to the relationship. If that’s the case, why would you settle for less than the best from the person you are going to be in a relationship with?
10:00 AM on 05/27/2012
Ken,
I agree with you 100%. Having been widowed some time back, I have seen a lot female personalities in the available dating pool. I even married a couple of times during these sixteen years. Finding a healthy person with whom to have a relationship is not easy. But, I can tell you from experience that compromising on one's values only leads to failure and heartbreak for those concerned. Healthy people will see the value in what you are saying. Self examination in this process is critical. Only by doing so can we determine the reasons we attract or are attracted by some people who are not where they need to be yet. Interacting with these people is pretty much like teaching a pig to sing. All you do is frustrate yourself and piss off the pig. Continuing on in the relationship only escalates the anger between those involved. Like you, I don't have time for such nonsense. Like you, I want a true partner in life capable of going the distance. I don't have time to teach nor tell somebody what their problem is. Odds are, and this has proven out thus far, they wouldn't listen anyway.
12:47 PM on 05/27/2012
I think I love you!

Very heartfelt comment!

Thank you!
04:44 PM on 05/27/2012
Pretty opinionated you are. And "married a couple of times" in the past 16 years would tip me off very quickly.

I can understand wanting a "healthy" person .... but it seems to me that you measure her health by "seeing the value in what YOU are waying". Yikes. This is awfully ego-centric.

My criteria are a little more supportive of a happy and fun relationship. I rank humor at the top of the list, followed by kindness and an even temper. No tobacco or heavy drinking are a given.

Too many people miss the point which is that they should LIKE the person they're considering having a serious relationship with. It's difficult to like someone who is critical and self-absorbed.
06:06 PM on 05/27/2012
Like I said, some people will get it and others won't. When you have had a wonderful relationship of thirteen years ripped away from you, come and talk to me. I know what I want and what I'm talking about. You are definitely one of those who I prefer to stay away from. Have a nice day.