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Mormon Demystified: My Conversation With Joanna Brooks

Posted: 10/25/2011 11:51 am

I've had a sense of déjà vu as the discussion about Mormonism has heated up as of late, with exactly the same dynamic occurring in the last presidential election season. But the discussion this time is more serious.

It's not just the fact that two Mormons — Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman — are viable presidential candidates. It's a Broadway musical. It's more than one successful TV drama. We're in, we're coming to say, a "Mormon moment." Joanna Brooks, giving just one of the many helpful pieces of perspective in this conversation, compares the rise of Mormons in politics and culture to the rise of the Mormon-owned Marriott Hotel chain. A highly disciplined, highly effective frontier culture grows up and migrates back out into centers of power. It's a classic American story. But there's also some kind of religious and cultural coming of age here, for Mormons and the rest of us.

I couldn't have found a better person than Joanna Brooks to shed some distinctively informative, candid and meaningful light on it all. She's a literature scholar and a journalist. Her Ask Mormon Girl blog and Twitter feed is a remarkably reflective, compassionate community of questioning with Mormons of many stripes. Joanna BrooksAnd Ask Mormon Girl, as she notes on her website, is housed on the "legendary Feminist Mormon Housewives blog." That is just one of many things that does not meet the traditional American eye on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — but which we engage through the voice and life of Joanna Brooks.

She grew up, as she tells it for starters, at the southern tip of the "Book of Mormon Belt" — Orange County, California, that is, which I'd associated more vividly with evangelical Christianity. Her father was "bishop" of their congregation several times growing up — a volunteer position that Mitt Romney has also held in his communities across his lifetime. Her mother is a "professional Mormon," as she affectionately puts it — with, among other things, a serious avocation for genealogy. Joanna Brooks uses words like "rich," "imaginative" and "robust" to describe this faith that formed her and that she continues to love.

She has also struggled mightily, suffered disappointment and heartbreak, with this tradition she loves. She became an intellectual and a feminist at Brigham Young University, and then watched the university and the Church for a time condemn and disown the very Mormon mentors who'd inspired her. She was vociferously opposed to the proactive role the LDS Church took in California's Proposition 8 referendum. But she is a probing force inside the Church's wrestling with pain and confusion over this issue. Her blog is a model of compassionate presence, both to LGBT Mormons and to parents struggling to reconcile their religious beliefs and their love for their children. She honors the human confusion here that is not exclusive to Mormons and the added complexity that their theology of the family and eternity gives to subjects of marriage and sexuality.

Most of this conversation, though, is not about hot-button issues or presidential politics. It is an informative, energetic and often moving journey into life on the other side of the American perception that Mormons are weird at best, a cult at worst. Joanna Brooks does not defend her tradition in any simplistic way, but she does make it three-dimensional and far harder to parody. Consider, for example, as she helps us do, the ambivalence and pain that Mormon married couples feel at their church's legacy of polygamy. Hear her explanation of her sense of the "strangeness" of accusations she's heard since she was a child, that she — a follower of Jesus Christ, a serious thinker about notions like atonement and grace — is not Christian. On a lighter note, but with just as much illumination for the listener, she is candid and corrective about a lingering obsession out there with ritual Mormon undergarments.

The most classic American story in this Mormon moment, perhaps, is how Joanna Brooks and other faith-filled and "unorthodox" Mormons are claiming their place in the unfolding story of this young frontier tradition. It is evolving from the inside in ways more meaningful, perhaps, than its outer rise to prominence in politics. Maybe in hindsight, we'll see this Mormon moment as an occasion for this increasingly influential American phenomenon, composed after all of human beings, to become more articulate about itself and more comprehensible to the rest of us in its complexity.

Click here to listen to the conversation with Joanna Brooks.

 
 
 
 
 
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Tuskin Roberts
10:58 AM on 10/27/2011
The only people that think Mormons are especially weird are other weirdo religious people. We all believe weird stuff. I'm an atheist and even I believe in some weird crap. As Herman Melville said:

"Heaven have mercy on us all--Presbyterians and Pagans alike--for we are all somehow dreadfully cracked about the head, and sadly need mending."
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Bob Metcalfe
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02:13 PM on 11/10/2011
Yes - they're all cults. Just some are bigger than others.
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Dan Jighter
08:15 PM on 10/26/2011
Which brings me to my deep concern that Krista Tippett would ever write this article. She just doesn't get it. While she is trying to be open-minded and tolerant towards religion, she is participating in these people campaigns to promote themselves socially and politically and thereby promote their bad social policies and ideas. While she was so busy trying to listen and understand Joanna Brooks' "tradition", did Tippett ever bother to press, I mean really press, on whether Joanna believes there's a planet Kolob? Or on the other absurdities of Mormon doctrine? Oh, she did ask about the undergarments, how quaint. As if that is the only bizarre thing about Mormonism. Tippett found a Mormon who supports gay rights and blogs about it... I guess never mind the church and many many Mormons that effectively banned a gay right. Tippett seems clueless to the fact that she is supporting something so deeply wrong.
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Dan Jighter
02:19 PM on 10/28/2011
Least someone think that (3) is too harsh (Tippett seems to be trying to think just that) or bigoted, I must ask the following. Did not the Mormon church, with great support from the members of the Mormon religion, heavily finance Yes on 8, which is deeply bigoted? (And is that not still a fact and significant even with a small group of individual Mormons supporting gay rights?) Is not Joseph Smith and his writings, given what know about the history of Joseph Smith and Mormonism and given the contents of the writings, obviously fraudulent and made up? I know these facts are less than kind to Mormons like Mitt Romney or Joanna Brooks, but they are still the facts. It is entirely legitimate to be intolerant of intolerance and intellectual foolishness.

The whole point of the post that has appeared is that Krista Tippett, given this blog, is complicit in such intolerance and intellectual foolishness.
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COPESTIR3
09:46 PM on 10/28/2011
Being I got moderated, fanned and faved excellent post.
02:28 PM on 10/26/2011
Um... Orthodox? Unorthodox? The most mystifying aspect of this article/interview is that one person's re-writing of how Mormons should be defined is taken as fact. Church members do not see themselves as unorthodox or orthodox and creating these sorts of subdivisions is contrary to the Gospel. Brooks is bright but she is not an authority.
09:44 PM on 10/27/2011
True whether or not Brooks view of orthodoxy is accurate is a matter of debate. I do however disagree that LDS and do not see themselves as orthodox or unorthodox. From my experience they most certainly do. Sure they may not label it orthodoxy etc but they understand the idea. It is discussed in terms like worthy, active, faithful, and on the other side 'false doctrine'.

In any case the LDS Church certainly values and understands orthodoxy. It provides curriculum and discourages using outside sources in teaching. It disciplines for teaching false doctrine and excommunicates for doctrinal apostasy. So while you may claim subdivisions of orthodox and unorthodox are contrary to the 'LDS gospel' they are alive and well in the LDS Church.

Without claims to orthodoxy and authority Mormonism is irrelevant or at least just another protestant church.
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COPESTIR3
06:29 PM on 10/29/2011
excellent post.
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11:03 PM on 10/25/2011
This is very similar to gay activists fighting within the church, I'm a bit mystified how this is a general representation of the church, by any stretch. The "authority" of the church is actually in direct contradiction of this position.

That doesn't mean the church won't eventually change, or that the movement is insignificant, but as things stand, this is definitely an outsider of the church as far as the indisputable tenets of the church.

It is almost like all you're trying to demonstrate is the entire body of believers aren't in COMPLETE agreement....well that goes for any group. I'm not sure who that is going to be news to.
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04:50 PM on 10/25/2011
What!?! Mormon Demystified? What an absolutely misleading title. There is nothing "Mystifying" about Mormonism. And if there was, I really did not expect Krista Tippett to actually "Demystify" any religion anyway.
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01:55 PM on 10/25/2011
I was raised Mormon and had myself excommunicated later in life. One should not underestimate the damage the church can do to individuals who are different or who question the dogma. However as bizarre as the theology is, there are a number of redeeming values in Mormonism. They do a good job of providing the males with certain rites of passage although these can have mixed results. For instance I would not hesitate to vote for Huntsman because he got some of the better qualities from his faith including focus, discipline, hard work, concern for the community, a sensitivity to the natural world--Romney I am not so sure. There are a few Mormons like Terry Tempest Williams--a world class author--who manage to be very creative and imaginative perhaps despite their faith and not because of it. I would give the Mormons an F for theology but an A for creating good citizens for the most part. When it comes to tolerance, it is a mixed review --some individual Mormons get an A but the church hierarchy gets an F.
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COPESTIR3
06:23 PM on 10/26/2011
I agree with you that one should not underestimate the damage the church can do to individuals who are different or who question the dogma. I give them an F for creating good citizens. While they are polite, they can and are rather cruel in their righteous disdain for divergent points of view. They are easily brought to hysteria regarding political matters. (The response to the Equal Right Amendment and Prop. 8 are just couple of examples.)
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Dan Jighter
08:30 PM on 10/26/2011
I agree with COPESTIR3. F for creating good citizens indeed. Are you mad? You'd seriously vote for Huntsman, or any Mormon (or Republican)? Romney and Huntsman should not be put in charge of a small town, let alone the country. Not after what happened with Prop 8, not given what they would do to church state separation, not given many things.

It doesn't matter if you make people who are polite and hardworking. That isn't enough to make them good citizens. Certainly not enough to allow them to run the country (into the ground). If you turn around and "politely" and with good work ethic deny people's civil liberties, then you are a rotten citizen.

Moreover, their theology is profoundly ridiculous. You gave them an F in theology. It strikes me the ability of one to think is a large part of being a good citizen. Given their theology, clearly they have a problem with thinking.

You admit these people get "a mixed review" on tolerance, obviously because of their record on gay rights, and an F for theology. How could they get more than a C or D in creating good citizens? I'd prefer the unkind guy who thinks critically and brilliantly and supports civil liberties long before a well-mannered Mormon. As a citizen or a President.
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COPESTIR3
09:48 PM on 10/28/2011
fanned and faved.
12:19 PM on 10/25/2011
Anyone who truly believes in magical underpants and stone tablets which are written in a language only one person can read (and won't show them to anyone else) is more than just "weird." They're downright gullible and delusional.

Mormonism is so very, very clearly a con job that I can't believe anyone who knows anything about it doesn't see through it.

I can't believe that in the year 2011 people still believe any religious nonsense, especially Mormon nonsense.
04:23 PM on 10/25/2011
Actually, it sounds like you're the gullible one, i.e., that you have believed false things that have been said about Mormons. For one, Mormons do not believe nor do they teach that there is anything "magical" about their underwear. Temple garments are simply a private reminder of the promises they have made to live the gospel of Jesus Christ as they understand it.

And, contrary to your assertion that Joseph Smith never showed the golden plates to anyone else, he actually showed the plates to 11 men--8 of whom handled the plates and turned the "pages". Three of the 11 also testified that they were shown the plates by an angel. In fact, making it an even more powerful testimony, those 3 men were all later excommunicated from the church due to various infractions. However, they continued to affirm that they had seen the angel and the plates.
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10:56 PM on 10/25/2011
You can't dispute that kind of evidence. No other religions offer such undeniable eye witness to the miracles and revelations they are founded on. Well, no more than a couple dozen, anyway.
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George Genung
08:44 AM on 10/26/2011
None of the so called witnesses would be considered credible witnesses. Family members and close family friends with conflicting stories. The first three claimed that the were speaking of a vision, not really seeing anything.