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Kurt Friese

Posted: August 2, 2010 01:04 PM

This Just In: Eating Meat Made Us Smarter

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Ever since I started writing about food, indeed even before that, there has been a certain segment of the population who believes that I and others like me are evil (literally) because we eat meat.

I've come to refer to these people as carnivorous vegans. To be clear, I am not talking about all - or even most - vegetarian/vegans. Most are perfectly nice people and as the saying goes some of my best friends are vegetarians. But there is a select group of folks who patrol food blogging sites and other locales where people discuss their passions for food and scream that meat is murder and I and other carnivores are serial killers (as opposed to cereal killers I guess). You know who you are. Of course everyone is welcome to his or her opinions, and in fact I too find many people's eating habits disturbing, but I don't think a guy is Satan-spawn just because he went to McDonald's.

My arguments, as if I really needed to have any, for why I consume meat are manifold, and chief among them is that if it is raised with care, prepared with passion and served with love, then it's darn tasty. But another point I've always made is that humans are designed to be omnivores: we have eyes in the front of our heads (not the sides), large teeth, keen eyes and a digestive system that can handle it. We are predators, not prey. After all, when mankind crossed the Bering Straits we were not chasing the mushroom, we were chasing the mastodon.

This morning NPR ran a story that adds a little ammunition to this contention, evolutionary proof that meat made us smarter -- literally made our brains bigger. The additional protein in meat made it so our bodies could spend less energy on digestion, and more on creating gray matter. Not only that, but cooking the food -- actually applying heat to both the meat and the veggies -- is enormously beneficial as well. Not just nutritionally, but in terms of civilization:

It encourages people to share labor; it brings families and communities together at the end of the day and encourages conversation and story-telling -- all very human activities.

So we cooks are handy to have around.

All this is to say I am not a bad person. Or at least if I am it is not because I eat meat. But as my daughter once said, I could be a vegetarian if bacon grew on trees.

 
 
 

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Ever since I started writing about food, indeed even before that, there has been a certain segment of the population who believes that I and others like me are evil (literally) because we eat meat. I...
Ever since I started writing about food, indeed even before that, there has been a certain segment of the population who believes that I and others like me are evil (literally) because we eat meat. I...
 
 
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ThomasPaine1776
Left is right; Right is wrong
09:12 PM on 08/07/2010
We are neither predators, nor prey. The elephant is neither predator nor prey, he's just a great big vegan that no one messes with. Same with the Hippo. Gigantic tusks on both of them, and all they ever eat is salad. Hippos are very violent and tough animals. The brontosaurus, the largest land animal of all time: Vegan, and neither was he predator nor was he prey.
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ThomasPaine1776
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06:46 PM on 08/07/2010
Variation provides every generation a range of sizes of brains. Some people have slightly larger brains, some people have slightly smaller brains. Natural selection has selected for those who had a slightly larger brain. Those with slightly smaller brains were not allowed to reproduce, and died out.

Now then. If you can prove that at every step of the evolutionary chain, that those with slightly larger brains ate meat and those with slightly smaller brains did not, then your theory might have something.
03:44 PM on 08/06/2010
I respect vegetarians and I appreciate the same back. However, I do believe it is MUCH harder to get the right nutrition if you are vegetarian, especially vegans. Just look at sources of DHA omega-3 (turns out humans don't convert ALA very well at all). The only "vegetarian" source is blue-green algae. Getting enough DHA omega-3 is extremely important to maintaining healthy cell membranes which affects almost every other aspect of your health.

Maxine Fox
http://reverse-diabetes-naturally.blogspot.com/
03:38 PM on 08/06/2010
"serial killers" vs "cereal killers" cute :-)

Maxine Fox
http://reverse-diabetes-naturally.blogspot.com/
04:49 PM on 08/05/2010
I am nowhere close to being a veg-anything, but I have several friends who are. I worry about them constantly. There's a lot of great info on veganism online, and I'm sure it's great for some people, but all you have to do is look at online discussions of those who are ex-vegans to see that for many, it has been a long-term detriment to their health. Esp worrisome are the discussions with mothers who went vegan throughout their pregnancies and then raised their kids vegan. On both sides, these conversations may be anecdotal, but they are still important.
12:09 AM on 08/06/2010
Would you mind linking to those discussions? I am interested in learning more about the experiences of raising vegan children, beginning in pregnancy.
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DebbyM
12:56 PM on 08/06/2010
Yes, I would like to see more links, because I'm regularly seeing remarks like the one above, but no links which to me is highly suspect.
09:00 PM on 08/06/2010
Here you go, folks. Just a jumping off point, but if you do a quick Google, you will find a lot more (anecdotal, again) discussions from other people.
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showpost.php?p=4662167&postcount=34
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/archive/index.php/t-550940.html

One of the more shocking things that I had never heard before was a delay in tooth development. I only saw that once or twice in my searches, but still alarming. Most of these folks have switched over to ovo/lacto/pesco or some version of that.

Another few anecdotes- One of my friends is vegan and hasn't seen her period for almost three years since she became pregnant/had her baby, and a few other friends who went pesco because they could just not keep any weight on after a couple of years.
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ProfessorBrooks
Don't believe everything you think.
01:34 PM on 08/05/2010
"This just in" ? Anthropologists have known this for some time now--I remember learning in college that we got an evolutionary leg-up from eating meat. Before we developed the cooperative skills to bring down big game ourselves, we took advantage of our manual dexterity and cracked open the bones of carcasses killed by much better hunting animals for the sweet bone marrow inside. Once that got our brains growing we figured out how to take down the animals ourselves.

Anybody got a good recipe for bone marrow?
11:51 PM on 08/05/2010
Sure. First, fry up some chicken legs or thighs or both. Second, eat the meat. Third, chew the end off the bones and suck the marrow out. Been doing that since I was a kid.
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ThomasPaine1776
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07:09 PM on 08/07/2010
Even if eating meat or marrow, "got our brains growing", that would not ensure that the childrens brains would benefit from it as well. If I lift a lot of weights, take steroids even, and my muscles grow, my children will not be born any larger. Environmental changes in an individual does not affect that individuals DNA, and therefore has no effect on his progeny or evolution. Natural selection, that is, the elimination of all those individuals without the genetic adaptation to the specific environment and the favoring of those that do possess that special mutation is what drives evolution.
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10:31 PM on 08/12/2010
So wait--if I cut off a rat's tail, its babies won't be born without tails? I had no idea!!! :/
03:38 PM on 08/04/2010
This just in..... Another report on NPR. Yet another comprehensive study that found that after a two year period, dieters on a low carbohydrate diet with a lot of saturated fat had much BETTER heart heart health and cholesterol than dieters on a low fat diet!
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128958420&sc=fb&cc=fp

This has been proven over and over and over again now. Even Andrew Weil, who warned against saturated fat for years, came out publicly here on the Huff Post and admitted that the science is overwhelming. As he said:

"Dietary fat, whether saturated or not, is not a cause of obesity, heart disease or any other chronic disease of civilization."

It's time for vegans to drop the baloney argument (sorry, couldn't resist the pun) that saturated fat causes heart disease. As the recent meta-analysis of studies spanning 347,747 test subjects found, there is absolutely no link between saturated fat and heart disease.
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06:53 PM on 08/04/2010
Thank you for this! It is surprising that so many people are not aware of the abundance of recent research on this subject!
11:43 PM on 08/04/2010
The research has always been there. It's just that studies supporting the other side got better press. I have my own theories as to why that may be, but it seems that I'm not allowed to share such ideas on this site.
mothergrace
If they knock you down, bite 'em on the ankle.
04:07 PM on 08/05/2010
Pushing the low fat diet was the WORST thing that ever happened to our eating habits. It pushed us into using trans fat, since margarine was supposed to be so much better than butter, milk that has been tortured in weird ways to give us low and no fat versions and the unhealthy concentration on carbs. From that came the artificial sweeteners and HFCS, huge problems in and of themselves.

Aside from all of the details, a diet that pushed us so far from our historical diet just doesn't make any sense. People can talk about making decisions but the fact is that evolution doesn't move that fast and there must be a recognition of and a concession to this historical diet if we are to be healthy.
04:12 PM on 08/06/2010
For the most part, we do have an embarrassingly bad diet in this country. The sugar and salt loaded into products for the "low fat" claim is just so nutty. I can't believe people still fall for that.
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stape45
Spin this!
08:11 AM on 08/04/2010
Eating meat made me smart enough to fully cook it first.
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ThomasPaine1776
Left is right; Right is wrong
08:55 PM on 08/07/2010
Because the first people to try and imitate the lion and eat meat, died. Hmmmm....maybe nature was trying to tell us something there.

Lions, by the way, will not eat cooked meat. They lap the blood and gorge on the organs that we find particularly revolting. We avoid blood. Rancid meat, covered in maggots and smelling to high heaven, produces in us a vomit response. Carnivores salivate when they see that. Carnivores don't eat apples. We do. We're herbivores. We're not "Omnivores" either. We can't suddenly, on a Tuesday, just impulsively decide to eat a rotting corpse and live. We are not prepared to eat meat and in fact, are equipped with some very ingenious features to prevent us from doing so and to save us even after we do. Save your life and go vegan.
10:48 PM on 08/03/2010
Where has the term naturalist gone in today's society? Are there any left? I am not talking about Johnny Appleseed here, but the kind of human that eats what they kill. They kill only what they can eat. They tend their gardens with a eye on the next year. They preserve what is extra in their garden. They forage for what could be sed. Where are they now? I know they exist, but they are a weakng subset of American Culture. There are family farmers that do this. There are North Easterners that practice the same. Indians populaces that subsist on Taro and Buffalo. They are small, very small. We need to support them. The original subsistence farmers. The re-enactment farmers that keep alive traditions of our ancient cultures before they die out. We need to learn from our past, not argue the way of Big Ag or Big Meat now. Vegans can learn, but they are the spoiled of our culture, one that wants it's fries because they are vegan. The vegetarians (lacto- ovarians) are responsible individuals in society. They know that there will always be leftovers for us to eat. Milk to be made into cheese. Honey to utilized. The vegan they do not understand. they see abundance and view the rest of us as users in this system. If the system were gone, they would ciest to exist.
10:51 PM on 08/03/2010
Sorry about the grammatical errors. For some reason I could not erase them without the post be compromised.
12:16 AM on 08/04/2010
What you describe sounds a lot like how my grandparents lived. There are people with this knowledge all over the country, but they are fewer every year. When I was growing up, my parents were constantly after me about leaving the lights on, but money wasn't the issue, it was waste. Somewhere in the last few decades, it became okay to be wasteful. Even businesses were wasteful, which I've never understood. A great book along those lines that is pretty old, but still on track, is The Ecology of Commerce by Paul Hawken. Would that we had followed his advice way back then.
09:57 PM on 08/03/2010
You are throwing random opinions out there, most people when they cook vegetables, microwave it. You lose a lot of nutrition that way. Heating it isn't going to magically make it healthier. It might hold the nutrition better if you steam it but who has time for that anyway? Your article would work if you were stating that in nomadic times, when hunters killed their meat it made humans smarter because of what you said. But this is not how it is anymore, people need to stop being so damn ignorant. Your meat is coming from a factory farm, 99% of meat comes from factory farms. (http://www.farmforward.com/farming-forward/factory-farming) By eating meat you are supporting factory farms. Factory farmed meat is NOT healthy, you are putting chemicals in your body (http://www.scribd.com/doc/20668446/USDA-FSIS-7120-1-Amendment-20-A-List-of-Approved-Chemicals-for-Meat-Processing) An yes the FDA has approved these chemicals but there have been rare cases where the chemicals are actually tested. The meat business is about money, not about the quality. Im not saying be a vegetarian, do whatever the hell you want but every person should educate themselves about what they are really putting into their body when they consume meat. Read Eating Animals by Jonathan Safran Foer. Its not preachy, he just asked the question what is in my food, and found out. You should too.
10:20 PM on 08/03/2010
Most of us here have learned where our meat comes from. What we, hopefully, are trying to say is that it is OK to eat meat and have a balanced diet. This is what we have evolved to as an omnivore. That we eat everything, not just the American diet of 1 1/2 pounds of beef, chicken or pork at every sitting. That we can consume any and all things that grow on Earth that are not poisonous to our bodies. That includes local raised animals, supplemented by wild, with a healthy doses of local produced crops and cereals.

Please eat squirrels, rabbits, wild hogs, nutrias, gophers, geese, ducks and deer. Just don't kill for sport. Kill as few animals as possible to sustain your family. Have soup, stew and ragouts. Include every vegetable that you can stand. Thrive on the abundance that this Earth provides and learn to provide for yourselves. Watch your birthrates. Don't have 20 kids like the Duggars. Refuse to participate in this Circus Spectacle of feeding from or supporting Big Meat and Big Ag. They are not necessary for a good diet. They do not have Americans best interest at heart. They profit from misery of the American people and animals they exploit. Lastly learn to cook.
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ThomasPaine1776
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07:48 PM on 08/07/2010
Eating animal products raises cholesterol levels in your blood, which creates waxy plaque, which turns into clots, which break loose and float towards your heart, clog it up and you die of a heart attack. Stop eating animals and avoid heart attacks. Go vegan and live.
11:50 PM on 08/03/2010
Sorry, but Mommy's comment is one of the silliest ones I've come across.
1) Most people cook their vegetables in the microwave???? Hahaha, seriously?? Where do you live!?!?
2) "Heating" vegetables at an extremely low temp denaturs the vegetable's protein, which decreases allergic reactions and inflammation and also increases the bio availability of their macro nutrients. Although I 100% agree that raw veggies and their corresponding enzymes are an essential part of the balanced diet.
3) 99% of meat DOES come from factory farms, so lets change that asap. BUT I don't buy factory farmed meat and it doesn't look like the author of this article does either, so don't try and make meat synonymous with factory farming. One can and did exist without the other (factory farming didn't exist 100+ years ago).
4) The chemicals you talk about, FDA approved or not (and don't get me started on the FDA), won't be found in the meat I eat. And as I stated above, ingesting chemicals, and ingesting meat... not synonymous with each other either. And the small local farms that I buy my meat from aren't only "about money" and do care about their animals in every sense of the word.
05:45 AM on 08/04/2010
The majority of people do do these things, where do you live. I was simply saying he is out of touch
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Iwpach
What did I step in this time?
02:21 PM on 08/04/2010
Strictly speaking,proteins and vitamins are chemicals as well...
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HerrMonk
Son of Apollo
04:42 PM on 08/03/2010
Nice article.

Hopefully the magic of evolutionary biology will be gracing the minds of more and more people as time goes on.

We (and our massive brains) are absolutely, and undeniably, the products of large amounts of animal fat and protein consumption over millions of years. And we function at our best when we eat in that tradition.
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JohnCochtosten
06:50 PM on 08/03/2010
"And we function at our best when we eat in that tradition."

So are you saying that these vegetarians weren't functioning at their best?

Cyrus the Great (Emperor of Persia, 6th century BC)
Pythagoras (mathematician, philosopher)
Socrates (ethicist and philosopher)
Plato (mathematician and philosopher)
Aristotle (logician and philosopher)
Matthew (disciple and biographer of Christ)
Plotinus (mystic and philosopher)
Plutarch (Greek historian and essayist)
Leonardo da Vinci (artist, scientist, inventor)
Isaac Newton (mathematician, physicist)
Henry David Thoreau (philosopher)
Thomas Edison (inventor, grandfather of iPod nation)
Vincent van Gogh (artist/painter)
Leo Tolstoy (novelist/essayist)
Mohandas Gandhi (statesman, peacemaker)
Albert Schweitzer (physician, polymath, theologian)
Albert Einstein (theoretical physicist)
Srinivasa Ramanujan (mathematician)
Cesar Chavez (advocate and activist)
Jane Goodall (primatologist and activist)

This is a pretty silly article. Of course our ancient ancestors who ate meat gained a sizable advantage over those that didn't. Animals became a better delivery system of calories and protein than foraging, so naturally those who hunted became better survivors. What does any of that have to do with the modern benefits of cutting meat from your diet?
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c-tom
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07:55 PM on 08/03/2010
Newton and Einstein only became vegetarians shortly before they died. I doubt there was any link between their no longer eating meat and their subsequent deaths.
08:23 PM on 08/03/2010
You mean cutting the factory farmed meat due to hormones and antibiotics or natural (wild) meat.? Your argument also states the big animals we hunted gave us the means of greater calories and better survival, but how is that different from today if we were willing to eat wild animals now? What about early cultures reliance on monoculture crops such as wheat and corn to the detriment of their ancient cultures? What about our reliance on the same system to provide for the many to the detriment of our environment? Are you saying that the abundance of Big Ag Monsanto GMO crap that infects every supermarket coast to coast is better than to eat some meat in your diet? Or that trucking that peach, apple and grape in the off season to satisfy our want is going to make our lives better because we aren't eating meat? What about all the others not mentioned that were eating meat while at their function best? What is the real answer?
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ThomasPaine1776
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07:49 PM on 08/07/2010
Diet does not affect your DNA, and therefore cannot have any effect upon progeny or evolution.
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missjulz
romneying with scissors always gets someone hurt
11:27 AM on 08/03/2010
Cooking food, unlocking the ingredients in grains et al did surely create the evolutionary jump. But we are no longer benefitting from a diet laden with a lot of meat protein. I am a meat eater but do so sparingly and selectively. Perhaps instead of drawing battle lines we can all evolve and eat less meat on the whole and, most importantly, support sustainable agriculture.
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Eric Mann
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11:45 AM on 08/03/2010
See, that is the way to be. Eliminating meat from our diets makes no sense, and is actually environmentally harmful. The only people who can get our meat industry out of its factory mentality are meat-eaters.
Plus, pasture-raised or free-range meat just plain tastes better.
02:46 PM on 08/03/2010
Agreed.
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DebbyM
05:03 PM on 08/03/2010
The only reason the meat industry is beginning to look at its behavior is because of animal rights activists making a stink about their abuses and as a result, people like you have an opportunity to see the truth of what they do and are now beginning to demand change as well.
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HerrMonk
Son of Apollo
05:21 PM on 08/03/2010
Actually eating grains set us way back: it made us shorter, weaker, dumber and gave us a plethora of new deceases and "medical conditions" that didn't previously exist.

It's also the least sustainable group of "food products" out there. Grains are not sustainable agriculture. They can't be, they never will be. The only plant agriculture that's ultimately sustainable is based in perennials, and grazing animals.
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05:27 PM on 08/03/2010
But wait--That's not what vegans want to hear at all! Get ready for your "abusive" flag! :)
06:58 AM on 08/04/2010
Are you including beans as 'grains' or just grasses, like wheat and corn? Beans are certainly sustainable.
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KarenM
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11:03 AM on 08/03/2010
This country was built by people who ate meat, if they could, at practically every meal.

However, they did not raise lots of grain to feed their livestock in pens. They allowed them to graze and eat all of that green stuff that contains those essential fatty acids we all need. So, in those days, heart disease was not the huge issue that it has become.

I tried being a vegetarian, gained a lot of water weight and became severely anemic. It took me a very long time to recover from that. I don't eat a lot of meat now, but I do eat some. Humanely raised.
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04:53 PM on 08/03/2010
The fact that people also lived shorter lives, and generally heart disease is a disease of older people, also is part of the reason for more heart disease now. Plus many other afflictions that killed many people in the 1700's are no longer a serious threat.

Most Americans do eat too much meat these days but that isn't the whole story behind increased heart problems.
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DebbyM
05:10 PM on 08/03/2010
I am sure that becoming a vegetarian had little to do with your 'water weight gain' and as for severe anemia, the iron you need is available in many common foods:

Dried beans and dark green leafy vegetables are especially good sources of iron, better on a per calorie basis than meat. Iron absorption is increased markedly by eating foods containing vitamin C along with foods containing iron.
Sources of Iron

Soybeans, lentils, blackstrap molasses, kidney beans, chickpeas, black-eyed peas, Swiss chard, tempeh, black beans, prune juice, beet greens, tahini, peas, bulghur, bok choy, raisins, watermelon, millet, kale....

So pointing to veg'nism as a reason for anemia is incorrect.
mothergrace
If they knock you down, bite 'em on the ankle.
05:58 PM on 08/03/2010
I believe KarenM is the most qualified to speak about her own experiences.
06:08 PM on 08/03/2010
Not everyone can process all the beans necessary to be a vegetarian. I can't and, yes, I know how to cook them. In addition, I eat meat and tons of dark greens and am still always borderline anemic, myself. I don't understand why you can't just take someone's word for it that a certain kind of diet didn't work for them. You know nothing about this person, what they ate, how long they were on the diet, any health issues there may be, etc. I take your word for it that your diet works for you. See how easy that is?
10:42 AM on 08/03/2010
Very good Kurt. At least protein is good for something. Visit gourmetpoint.blogspot.com
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KIVPossum
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07:46 AM on 08/03/2010
This just in????

This has been common knowledge for ages.
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HerrMonk
Son of Apollo
04:45 PM on 08/03/2010
It's been common knowledge for ages amongst anthropologists and evolutionary biologists.

For some reason (read $$$ + social/political agenda) this information took a long time to jump from academia to the healthcare/food industries, which have long been dominated by the grain-lobby educated, fat = bad, meat is murder crowd.
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07:53 PM on 08/07/2010
eating meat cannot change one's DNA. Therefore, it cannot, and has not, had an effect on evolution. Natural selection selects for those best adapted to the environment, nothing else. Natural selection has not seen fit enough to equip us with acidic saliva, sharp teeth, the ability to digest bones, nor rid us of our vomit response when presented with dead carcass. Hmmm...maybe were not "top of the food chain" "carnivore" "hunter" "lord of the jungle" ?